how does laichan feel about elderly people

you better respect them(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, Please elaborate in your post in future, please state why you want to discuss this topic and what your own thoughts on the elderly are, and also provide any other relevant information )

Some of them really need to die, as they're out of touch with reality and unwilling or unable to adapt. They won't find peace alive.

>>11535 Think of the retards you knew in high school. Ok, now age them all by 60 years and give them an unearned sense of entitlement. That is what most old people are. If you have an old person in your family, get to know them before they die. Other than that, let them all burn.

eh. I have a lot of respect for the kind of old person who has kept their mind limber and didn't just settle into complacency. Aside from that, they're kind of annoying. All the old people in my family are super religious too

Boomers grew up in the golden age of America and threw it all in the toilet saying "fuarrrk you, I got mine."

>>11536 i mean, that waits for all of us.

>>11544 There is no 'it' there never was an 'it'. 'it' was all made up in the first place. The difference is in how much respect and or fear you garner from those around you regardless of age. Some older folks seem to believe that they deserve respect because they are old, and the young don't because they are young. This is an opinion that wont earn you much respect. Some old folks treat everyone with a bit of respect and are more empathetic to their younger peers. This folks get respect, and sometimes fear. Some old folks just dont talk to anyone and live in their own little worlds. These often end up in rural "retirement communities" or nursing homes when they can no longer live on their own; or they die on their own terms. The older you get the harder it becomes to grow and understand the ways things change and ultimately to thrive in an environment that wants increasingly to destroy you. Getting old is not for the weak, but most people are weak by the time they get old.

>>11535 >>11535 I find them a bit disturbing, honestly, as images of what I can probably expect for myself, assuming I don't die young. I keep thinking that I'll make a breakthrough and my personal development will take off such that by the time I'm 80, I'll essentially be a wizard, archetypically speaking. Look around at old people, though. Do you see any wizards? It seems that there's some effect or set of effects that I'm not taking into account that serve to retard personal development. It's kind of like the Great Filter; I don't know what's doing it, but something apparently is. I guess I can just expect to hit some insidious roadblock somewhere along the way. Then again, maybe all the wizards are hidden in their towers...

>>11553 >When I'm 80 I'll be a wizard What? This is pretty meme tier, are you also agekin?

I only really respect people who earn my respect. The rest is the basic decency towards other human, but I think that the concept of respecting someone for no reason at all other than being older than you is stupid. They can be a soykafhead for all you know. Show me you're worthy of respect and I'll respect you.

>>11555 I said "archetypically speaking." I mean wizard-like within the bounds of reality, although what those bounds are...I guess only a wizard could tell you. Remember, when wizard myths were being created, there was no real distinction between science and magic. Wizardry was just incredibly advanced knowledge and skill, perhaps combined with a certain amount of secrecy. The wizard archetype is just as relevant as ever. Replace the grimoire with a technical manual and the tower with a locked apartment, and you should see the similarities, although what I have in mind is perhaps a bit broader. I thought it was common for individuals to use archetypes to fuel their aspirations, although I may not have made myself clear.

>>11557 >Replace the grimoire with a technical manual >Replace the tower with a locked apartment You can't be serious, I hope to god this is a bad troll.

>>11560 The roots of wizard lore lie with reclusive intellectuals. The objects of study and the manner of reclusion have changed, but the basic form remains. The manual and the apartment are only one manifestation of the same archetype. You could just as easily imagine a historical text and an expansive, empty mansion. I'm not sure what part of this you're disputing. It all seems quite obvious to me.

They aren't special. They're just people who've been alive for a relatively long time

>>11563 avoiding death is quite tiresome though

They wouldn't be so annoying if I didn't have to deal with swarms of them daily at my job. One sign of the fuarrrked-up state of healthcare in the US is the fact that with 75+% of them being near-deaf, none of them can afford hearing aids to keep people from having to repeat themselves 5 times.

>>11561 What I'm saying is that this is a meme tier fantasy that you have in your head, in reality you tried to be like that you would like the previous images I posted, please stop being so autistic.

old people are just people. some are pretty cool, some are pretty stupid. I do think it's stupid to demand respect to them simply because they've existed slightly longer but most times you're expected to respect someone it's for a stupid reason anyway.

>>11574 I think people respecting elders comes from the stone age, because back in those days elders were respected because they managed to survive the longest and usually knew how to survive well, after all, it was impressive back in those times not to die in your 20s or early 30s.

>>11535 Not all old people are wise, but they are all experienced. I find listening to their stories can bring useful insight.

they should not be allowed to vote.

Every time I try to tell some old asshat about some new innovation / investment that will be big soon they say some stupid soykaf like: > Nah! That won't happen in my lifetime! And then it happens and the old fuarrrkers still don't listen to me when it happens EVERY fuarrrking time I say some tech is gonna be hot, such as: Web sites & search [back when I was using Gopher as a kid], Electric Vehicles [in the 80's / 90's I predicted they'd be made soon], wireless charging [In the early 2000's I knew everything would go there], wireless networking [back when everything was dialup and Novel / IPX was standard WIRED], supercapacitors [still waiting on this one, but they exist and are recyclable Aluminum + ceramic], bitcoin [I got some when it was < $1], Self driving vehicles [almost here, Tesla kinda counts]. The list goes on and on. These old fuarrrks say I need to put myself out there, then I bring up all the times I said I'd like to borrow some $$$ to make an investment and point out how huge soykaf like "PC Clones" and "smart phones" / PDAs, etc. became after being denied. They can't point to ONE single fuarrrking time I've been wrong about tech. I hope the stock market crashes when the USD outsourced inflation (via petrodollar) comes home to roost, and destroys all their precious 401(k)s. Most old people are stupid out of touch troglodytes and politically inept - believing everything a TV says. Hint: Real Knowledge isn't given to the masses on "Discovery" or "Science" Channel; Academia is just the "we know it's wrong, but it's our best guess" garbage to keep poor people spinning their wheels thinking over nonsense like "gravity waves" (nope: Go watch the Space Weather about solar flares and geomagnetic events -- They're detecting EM waves, not gravity waves). Every time I try to tell some old asshat how their government indoctrination and ignorance of the real world will bring about dire circumstance to the younger generations they say some form of: > Well, fortunately, I'll be dead by then. They're perfectly content to fuarrrk over the following generations while wasting what wealth they should be saving to pass on to their kids on frivolous crap. The Median income for 18-35 year olds in 1977 was US$35,000. In 2019 the median income is the same while inflation has skyrocketed. These old fuarrrkers refuse to understand this when complaining about how "Milenials" or "Gen X", ect. need to do X, Y or Z. fuarrrking idiots. You can't have socialized healthcare + rampant immigration + outsource jobs + move manufacturing out of the nation + import H1B work, etc. all happening on their watch, and then say, "Well, there was nothing I could do about it" -- No, the old asshats had DECADES to do something about all this soykaf. And hey, It actually WOULDN'T be bad at all -- so long as the old fuarrrkers realized that their accumulated wealth from a strong economy should be saved to support the next generations in a weak economy. Nope, these assholes think there's no such thing as economic cycles. They got lucky, and claim it was hard work that got them there. Sold us all down the river and, then say either "tough luck next generation" or "no one could have predicted this"... It's ALMOST enough to drive someone to organize a hacking marathon to shove redpills down their throats by plastering uncomfortable truths all over every TV channel they're addicted to staring at... But the old asshats would just vote to have govs crack down on hacking tools or some such "crisis" legislation which always screws everyone over in the end. I remember being a kid the old asshats would say crap like: > Just wait 'till you get out there in the real world, kid. or > Just wait 'till you find out how the real world works, kid. These fuarrrkers never knew how the real world worked at all! And when I provide tons of evidence and facts to back up my statements they just tune out and even passive aggressively interrupt me with some inane BS to interrupt me on purpose. Last time I called them on it - wouldn't let them change the subject, stood in front of the fuarrrking TV so they couldn't just stare at their mind-blanking idiot box to ignore me, and just let them have it for a good 45 minutes straight. They know they're wrong about soykaf, and refuse to admit it. Like if they ignore soykaf it'll just go away. Or say some stupid passive aggressive crap like: > "Guess I was just too busy working to put food on the table to notice all this political stuff." NOPE! Says the idiots who watch 6 hours of TV every damned night, but can't be fuarrrked to watch a 20min presentation on what we need to do to fix the mess they've all left us. The west is being picked apart by economic vultures who will keep these old asshats comfortable in the boiling pot just long enough so they die before the rest of us fry. Old people need to die, STAT.

>>11594 you give voice to my deep seated frustrations. Whoever you are, thank you.

>>11578 >after all, it was impressive back in those times not to die in your 20s or early 30s. common misconception. That was just the average lifespan, which is brought down a *lot* by infant/childhood mortality. Pretty consistently across the world, you are least likely to die in your 20s and 30s, except during wartime. That's when you are the most vigorous, most able to recover from injury, have the strongest immune system, etc. The human body starts degrading around age 40, and generally with no medicine and a hard life you could expect to die somewhere around age 50, if you made it past childhood. Old people were respected because they were the oral history for their people. "oh I remember 40 years ago when that drought happened, you need to prepare for that" and such. Pre-writing, old people were what kept cultural memory alive.

>(nope: Go watch the Space Weather about solar flares and geomagnetic events -- They're detecting EM waves, not gravity waves) I was with you until you said this. You don't think EM hardening was the biggest design point for their experimental apparatus? How the fuarrrk are EM waves gonna warp spacetime? Also: funny how you say "old people just watch soykaf on the teevee, when they should be watching *this* soykaf instead!!"

>>11598 >em waves waarping space time EM waves do, in fact, warp space time. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-electric-charges-and-m/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5255570/ https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_an_electromagnetic_field_affect_spacetime_curvature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curvature_form Broadly speaking, EM waves are a propagating change in energy density in the EM field. This change in energy density can be expressed as a change in local mass energy density, which results in local spacetime curvature.

>>11598 Also an important note, when photons pass through the sphere of influence of a massive body an exchange of momentum takes place between the photon and the body which deflects the photon from it's previous trajectory. This exchange of momentum can be said to reduce the mass-energy-momentum content of the massive body thus effecting the degree of curvature that body induces in space-time. So even if EM waves did not directly impact space time curvature (which they do) they would indirectly effect space time curvature through momentum exchange.

>>11600 >>11601 this is all very far outside my expertise and I do not have time to learn it, but based on everything you've posted it seems that the intensity of spacetime curvature caused by a pure EM wave is much much much lower than the intensity of the EM wave itself. How could an EM wave intense enough to look like a gravitational wave be detected only by gravitational wave sensors, and not EM sensors?

>>11535 I really don't know how I feel about older people, but do like to hang out with experienced folks that can give some solid as well as bitter advice from time to time.

>>11603 Old user here, The short answer is that gravitational wave detectors are a kind of EM detector and vice versa. All major electromagnetic events are also major gravitational events. intensity is a measure of number of photons per unit time incident through an area. the intensity of a single EM wave is not a very helpful concept. Intensity is more relevant to groups of EM waves. Intensity is tightly related to the concept of "flux". A high EM flux will produce gravitational waves IE spacetime curvature, but it is much easier to discuss the effect of single EM waves IE single photons. A flux of ultra high frequency photons will have much stronger coupling the gravitational field, and thus much greater space time curvature as I get into below...s For individual EM waves, their specific energy is associated with their frequency/ wavelength and amplitude. All individual EM waves can have their energy expressed in terms of the space time curvature they induce. For single waves, the curvature can be quite large relative to the amplitude of the wave as in gamma rays at the far end of the spectrum. At frequencies greater than 10^22 hertz, wavelengths reach deep into subnuclear sizes while amplitudes stay relatively constant for photons. from 10^22 to about 10^24 is the transition regime where energy density for a single photon(EM wave) becomes so large that it's space time curvature and EM field curvature become strongly coupled. In effect the photon becomes partly a kind of graviton. Beyond this regime is a world where wavelengths approach the planck length and the uncertainty principle causes our models to become unreliable. Suffice to say, 10^25 hertz is a world of its own where a photon may collapse into a tiny blackhole or slip through the "cracks" in spacetime. Things only get weirder and more wonderful from here!

>>11607 but the LIGO detectors detected a wave at around 30 Hz

>>11614 The LIGO detections are low frequency events from colliding high mass bodies, not ultra high frequency single photon EM disturbances. The frequencies of such large amplitude events (two black holes sprialing or neutron starts colliding) will probably be relatively low.

>>11616 but this poster >>11594 was claiming that LIGO etc were detecting EM waves rather than gravitational waves

>>11607 Great, can that do anything for humanity though?

>>11623 why does it need to? Does a beautiful tree do any more for humanity than some beautiful knowledge?

>Old people in the 90's trying to rap >Old people now trying to meme I can't wait to see what kinda embarrassing soykaf I'll be doing in 20 years.

old people in my country are all very sweet and nice i love them american elderly sound like assholes though >>11652 old in what way? like, 30s and 40s or older?

I love old people

I'm young. Old people, really old, as in their body is failing and as a result, their mind as well... That scares me. I guess it reminds me that I could end that way. But of course, it's inevitable. I doubt I should worry about it much, as I've barely lived a fifth of the time I hope to live. I'm rambling at 3 am. This is also my first post here. Love.

>>11653 >american elderly sound like assholes though americans are assholes since birth. Their culture has no class , they value vapid trends and people age horrible.still clinging to dumb standards.

>>11738 Indeed, baby boomers need to go.

Old people need to be culled. They needlessly suck up resources and contribute nothing. Boomers not retiring is more detrimental to the job market than immigration. Old people are unwilling to accept change especially with new technologies, and since they're in charge of all the important soykaf they are holding humanity back. Don't give me some moralist bullshit or say how i'd want to be taken care of when I'm old, no. Kill the old people.

@everyone in this thread youll be old yourself one day thats all

Old people are the greatest, they're full of wisdom and experience

>>11535 I'll one day be one unless I find the fountain or go cabal vamp if I do become one, I'll die from shrooms weed and cocaine after drinking ALL THE RUM one day.

>>11817 Was starting to wonder what Giorgio Moroder was up to this days

Oldpeople are old people, some are cool, most are just trash like all other folk.

>>11535 Idk. I feel a certain way about threads with just a question in them. Who's asking? Why? What's their opinion?