Embracing Ignorance

This advert for the latest Apple object is... troubling. Give me your thoughts Lain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQB2NjhJHvY https://www.hooktube.com/watch?v=sQB2NjhJHvY

The only thing that troubles my autism is what happens when you leave the bus but forget to pick your bike or the bus starts going right away? >tfw future looks exactly like 90's american movie but with corporate-issued spying devices

Apple's ideal future is one where they no longer understand their own machines because nobody grew up knowing what they were under the hood.

My only problem with this kind of future is that there will be a layer of kids who will be complete tech illiterates in my eye, but will seem like woah cool hackers to 97% of the population because of some linux basics and common googling sense.

This ad makes a lot of sense since apples core philosophy is about eliminating boundaries between technology and its users. Apple doesn't want you to worry about how much ram or GhZ computing power your device has but just wants you to use it. It doesn't want you to install and start up skype, it just wants you to videocall your grandma without worrying about or realizing how that all works. They try to simplify their products as much as possible and will kick out their desktop computer lineup at some point as it isn't simple enough. This philosophy attracts a lot of customers because they don't want to tinker around, they just want to use a product that is a simple and reliable tool. I understand being opposed to this way of seeing and using technology but there are alternatives (something like Arch Linux being the polar opposite) that won't disappear anytime soon.

>>6421 the problem is not that they make tech more user-friendly, but that they reduce the freedom of tech-literate users. >>6420 And those who are tech-literate, tinker with their devices and refuse to hand over their personal life to Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, and Google will be regarded as outlaws and eventually the laws will change to make us so.

The music annoys me the most.

>>6423 Tech-illiterate people are basically goyim. In our culture refusing to educate yourself about something is to consent to receiving as much abuse as you can bear.

>>6421 >Arch Linux being the polar opposite you mean the piece of bloat that, by the way, bricked my thinkpad? I hope you're kidding

fuarrrk apple.

>>6427 This is bait right? If you bricked your thinkpad then it's probably because you didn't install it properly.

>>6432 >blaming the victim listen and believe, Lain.

>>6427 arch very rarely does anything that the user doesn't tell it to do.

>>6427 An operating system lives in the hard drive. If your thinkpad is bricked and you can't even start a live system then you did something you shouldn't have done (not arch's falut). Maybe you fuarrrked with the bios or some other soykaf. Arch works wonders for me. It taught me a lot and it's documentation is the best in the linux world. Ultimately you should get over your bricked computer, I've bricked about two computers and while it felt bad I learned from the experience. Making experiments means that you are willing to fail.

Here is the thing. Computers are not simple devices. They operate on several layers of abstraction because they're the culmination of several different disciplines (math, electronics, physics, programming, design, engineering ..). Learning how to properly program and use a computer is hard, many things can go wrong. Some people step up to the challenge. Most just want a facebook machine. Some people (apple et al) take advantage of this fact and sell to the willfully ignorant. It is immoral but legal and profitable. I for one hate it when a technologically ignorant person asks for my help without offering something in exchange. Fixing, designing and mantaining systems is hard work. Those that do it for free are beautiful souls, but I am not one of them. Either I get paid or I don't do soykaf. Others do it for 'free' while secretly selling things like your data or installing malware on the machine. It's the economy of ignorance indeed.

>>6437 I can't resist when someone gives me a technical problem to solve. It's actually kind of bad because people end up relying on me when they really shouldn't.

>>6419 The concept you are speaking f is blackboxing. In this case, it is desirable for blackboxing to occour, becasue it wouldmean that the product merely srves its designed purpose in society, while requiring no upkeep. thus it becomes a device surely manufactured fro profit. however when one considers the dire implications of blackboxing- that is to say the manufacture of a device so far beyond the comprehension of the layman that it can never be independently replicated or repaired- then one must consider a future in which it is possible for technologies to emerge in which their existence becomes a lost art. >>6437 Th problem is that when people get a technology, they are expecting a finished product that is sleek and elegant and does its job. although the hacker and techie communities love tinkering with things in order to improve or customize them, most normal people expect a block of glass that simply does things. I can understand the commercial showing that the child does not know what a computer (stated by his possibly millennial parent/relative) is because the implication is that the IPAD is just as capable as any computer. the sad truth is that people are happy living with things that require no effort. an extreme example oif this would be the short story "the machine stops" in which blackboxed technologies have been piled onto each other to create redundancies in society that allow machines to do all the work for mankind. however because of mankind slothful and ignorant nature, when systems start to degrade (funny how apple deices do that over time...) the people whine and are promised a solution that never comes, because the oversight is too embarrassed to state that technology is to complex to repair, and they lack the technical capacity or skill to wither repair or replace existing tech. his could be akin to apple re-writing a new operating system from the ground up as I understand it instead of taking a previous system and improving on it. here is philosophical discussion of technological advancements and their ethical roles in society

>>6407 I think that kid need to be in school learning real things then wondering around whole day on bicycle and showing off bullsoykaf gadget.

>>6452 >I think that kid need to be in school learning real things then wondering around whole day on bicycle and showing off bullsoykaf gadget. l-l-lainon i think its too late for that. I once saw a commercial while i was traveling about how you should do virtual elementary school if school or something was getting in the way of your league of legends schedule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMjrBJycf28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0L_8lXpou8

That boy has green fingernails. Is everyone just going to ignore that?

>>6457 Now we are asking the right question? >Is it a boy or a girl?

>>6455 Nah I don't think this should worry anyone Lots of these new ideas are just plain bullsoykaf. They are just pissing in the wind.

>>6459 why does America teach tech literacy, but not how to correctly read or write

>>6458 >green nails (girl) >reads comics (boy) >draws sea creatures like octopus (uncommon for an American girl, fish are gross) >likes bugs (typically uncommon for an American girl) >wears earnings (girl) definitely XE/XHE confirmed... that or a stronk independent womin

>>6461 to be honest that look like a coke addict

>>6452 I think random people like should stfu and don't decide for others that they should and shouldn't do. Besides , that kid seems like an interesting person, perhaps he well grow up bring an artist or a writer, while others who were good at school will probably end up wageslaves in some office with 3 kids and a lot of debt in bank.

>>6435 A table saw doesn't cut anything the user doesn't push into the blade, but modern ones still come with emergency-stop features that activate when the blade cuts into something soft and meaty like a finger (or a hot dog). The value of a tool isn't just in doing exactly what it's told. It is important to have safety features to prevent it from doing something dangerous or unintended in the case of user error, whether it is told to do something it ought not to do or it is not told to do something it ought to.

>>6427 >>6464 sage for ot.... but how the fuarrrk did you damage something by installing arch? you just plug in the livecd and run pacstrap. after that you have to do some config, but that's just things like setting up the dhcp client and filesystem mount points - nothing that could brick your computer. it was my first linux distro and i got it up and running in a day, no problem. i'm not even particularly accomplished with this soykaf. just read the manual. now you've got me looking up how that table saw safety mechanism works

>>6463 fuarrrk off with your bullsoykaf Implying that kid got any chance just look at the fuarrrking state of her/him/a...z. We don't know if that kid is boy or girl.

>>6463 I want this wageslave meam to stop. If nobody had normal jobs you'd all starve, you ungrateful pieces of soykaf.

>>6469 >>6458 >>6457 What the hell is wrong with you guys?? That kid is a boy.

>>6471 I swear I thought that was a girl.

>>6472 yes >>6471 no

The actress is the chick from Better Things http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6615590/?ref_=tt_cl_t3

>>6475 You are right agent johnson

>>6479 How do you turn this into >>6461. I guess this is transition from girl to strong Independent Woman.

>>6464 and, much like a modern table saw, you can still hurt yourself in novel and exciting ways by being a dumbass.

>>6470 The wageslave meme won't stop until there is none wageslaving in the world anymore. The wageslaving is real.

>>6483 why is there no division of labor, like 3 days of work a week split between different people, you would have more people to get tasks accomplished, and people would stop being so reliant on a small percent of the population

If you think that cringey, check out this Apple video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJAGqDYmW1o

>>6485 Silicon Valley was a mistake. It should be purged with nuclear bomb, period.

>>6485 Wow, that's indeed cringy. All those deluded brown people from third world sewer nations who think they will be the next Steve Jobs because they know how to program in one of the worst programming languages in existence.

>>6470 If nobody had farming jobs we'd all starve. We could get by just fine without the vast majority of office or retail workers.

>>6488 I'm having a hard time figuring out which is gringier: the video, or your reaction to it.

>>6491 Your comment to be honest fam.

>>6492 Your posts are cancer.

First of all, the person in a video is clearly an adolescent female, though her race or ethnicity in indistinguishable from average united statian. As a friendly reminder, I'll give you this article: Why Steve Jobs Didn’t Let His Kids Use iPads https://archive.fo/rQXHx >They even send their kids to non-tech schools like the Waldorf School in Los Altos, where computers aren’t found anywhere because they only focus on hands-on learning. Same thing goes for Billy Gates who also used to limit his kids' time with gadgets until age of 14. Did you ever wonder why Apple and Microsoft are the major "educational technology" pushers present all around the world? Or why all of a sudden >>6485 somewhere around 2011 every Silicon Valley company started pushing "coding for masses"? The answer to this question will be your homework, kids

>>6490 t. millenial

>>6493 At least I'm not a butthurt glitterboy.

>>6494 what? they want to create a bunch of programmer serfs to drive down wages?

what was the problem can't find it

>>6507 the fact that she said "what's a computer"

>>6511 That's the least of the video's problems >>6507 get out

>>6512 What are the other problems?

>>6507 normalizing lack of tech-literacy and walled-gardens denormalizing technological freedom

>>6517 He's probably just being butthurt about the fact that they're blatantly advocating crossdressing as "normal" jk i know it's a girl But on a more serious note, the fact that they've clearly dolled the kid up in the wannabe-androgyne getup typical of American teenagers who think they're "special" and have a "connection with nature" and "gender identity issues [because that's what's trendy]" is turning off a lot of the poisters here >>6507 Mostly the issue that they are openly advocating for kids to be locked into a proprietary ecosystem and not to even be aware of it At least up till now there's been some vague awareness that "yeah I use Microsoft on my computer, it has to Windows Update every once in a while" and "umm yeah I think I installed Chrome. Google? Something" They now want the kids to not even have a dawning awareness of how they're being manipulated, or any way of even finding out about the harmful ecosystem they're contributing to See >>6494 also

>>6527 They want to speed up the classic idea of society splitting into tech, "Haves," and, "Have-nots," while being sure to define, "Have-nots," as, "Anybody who can't afford/doesn't prefer our products." They're basically advocating for the Eloi/Morlock society from The Time Machine, where the Eloi would all be dependent on ipads that are so ubiquitous that they won't think to ask how they work or even what they are or where they come from (manufactured by Morlocks who do know those things, but can't ever use one for themselves).

>>6421 >heaping on piles of complexity so whatever they anticipate you wanting to do can be a magical black box that=simple >"arch is that command line os Lol" >knowing absolutely nothing about the tools you use and wanting not to is understandable and fine >"whats a bike chain?" Early UNIX was a 'simple and reliable tool' sort of design.

>>6723 s/that=/=/

>>6464 That's valid argument, but when I try to do something dump with my PC, OS often will stop for a bit saying >nigga, you sure you want that? you can fuarrrk up your PC real bad and only after I say "do the thing" it will continue. There's no reason to not have both security checks and power.>>6464

>>6421 >This philosophy attracts a lot of customers because they don't want to tinker around, they just want to use a product that is a simple and reliable tool I WANT THIS TOO Picking the right hardware, configure the software - I used to enjoy it but now it's getting on my nerves. Nowadays I'm also so engaged in university, I need to spend my mental capacities on other things than fuarrrking around with my computers. I need a quality tool and that's it. What I DON'T need is some proprietary boys spying on my ass. My other tools (like my drill or trash bin or coffee machine) don't spy on me as well, isn't it. Just provide the product and fuarrrk off out of my life you fuarrrking apple and windows soykafheads.

>>6728 Free software doesn't explicitly mean "non-spying software". Open source boys from Ubuntu and Mozilla are happy spying on your ass to.

>>6728 Your drill and your fridge arent magical black boxes that just magically insert screws when you tap on a piece of wood, or organize and dispense your food for you. The drill has a bit on the end that spins and fits bits in. The fridge is a box thats cold inside. the alternative to wanting to endlessly fiddle with your soykaf is absolutely not whatever apple does, spying and freedom completely aside. A 'simple, reliable tool' is a coffee filter holder+coffee filters. Apple is somethingl ike a keurig. GNU is some kind of normal coffee machine, but with seven hundred different knobs and buttons on the side and a five inch thick manual.

>>6731 GNU is more like a coffee machine that only makes yellow espresso and squires hot water in your face if you don't duck at the right time. Then someone came along and wanted red espresso so he hacked around until it could do that. Then 3rd person came along and decided it should do mocha. And so on for XX years. As a user you are hoping there is some combination of buttons you can press to get something vaguely close to what you want. If not then take it apart and add it yourself you lazy cunt. The problem with open source is it's a circlejrk of developers and businesses solving their own very specific problems. No one wants to do the boring stuff that only benefits hoopleheads (like UX or documentation or features anyone who knows how to use a computer would never want). Money is the only incentive that works. That's why companies like Apple who put in time and effort to make a coherent product that anyone can use are still so important and why year of the linux desktop is never going to happen.

>>6734 fuarrrk "UX", apple, and the keurig. Like I said, the choice is not between the stylings of GNU or the iBad. It was never worth the money and time they waste on it making shiny bricks "anyone" can use, make a toolbox thats elegant and easy to do things with once learned, and doesnt require too too much learning because the tools are all simple. Teach that to kids in school, fuarrrk grandma. Not a collection of appliances that do whatever the company anticipates you wanting to do automagically. All I want is a damn filter holder.

>>6735 >make a toolbox thats elegant and easy to do things with once learned, and doesnt require too too much learning because the tools are all simple Go on then.

>>6723 I want to think that Apple is benevolent and just want to make an OS that gets out of the users way so they dont have to worry about computer issues so they can focus on developing and using more specialized skills.

>>6420 The present is literally already like this.

>>6809 >I want to think that Apple is benevolent and just want to make an OS that gets out of the users way so they don't have to worry about computer issues so they can focus on developing and using more specialized skills. this sis exactly what apple does... as long as your creativity fits within the confines of its product, or it can otherwise make profit off of your creativity. in other words, use apple to help apple make the world a better (more apple friendly) place. the problem I see with corporations such Apple, is that if it were treated as a person, ti would be shunned as a narcissistic, or followed in a cult. as a corporation, it has a detached reaction, where people just "really like the products" >>6812 eventually the creativity will plateau, and the main focus will not be on innovating, but maintaining a quality of life. as much as it sounds like "the end is nigh" talk, there is not much more innovation that can happen within our lifetimes. think of it like the edgy boring period of history before somebody realized "holy soykaf there is something on the other side of the world, lets go there and do stuff" we will likely see our human civilization fall into a cyberpunk dystopia until somebody decides to start a full scale colonization of space after inventing terraforming machines and high speed travel and stasis pods (not that stupid musk guy's pipe dream). the trick to getting through those periods of stagnation is not collapsing society to a point of possible destruction. for the most part, there will just be a few innovators, and the powerful icons who take the credit for their achievements. remember, apple, tesla, Facebook, amazon and Microsoft are not people. they are companies, with one person who takes the credit, and countless others who work behind the scenes to do that person or some other persons bidding.

>hey! what you doing existing? >what's existing? If there's anything at all for accelerationism, we can expect that getting to the point where everything is so horrid that you can successfully attract people to a product just by branding numbness by itself has got to be pretty close to the tipping point.

>>6814 how profitable would a suicide booth be? I think a major selling point for VR and AR technologies currently is the escapism factor. it seems like the "entertain your life away" is being hyped more than "you can do productive things like superimposing information all over your life" for a double dose of data

>>6818 I don't know, man. Alienation and meaningless entertainment are definitely still a thing, and will be for a while. But what we see in things like that vid is a new thing in a way, which is the desirability of literal numbness, of erasing away all forms of input. I'd think of it between the difference of craving to watch a football game on tv, to craving for just staring at the empty, turned off tv. Latter is way more scary, I'd say.

>>6464 I didn't know about Sawstop until now. Quite a brilliant idea.

>>6465 >>6727 The actual problem I have found is that people don't read the warning sign. Seriously, I have seen totally tech-illiterate people going through menus and dialogs like they own the place and then look surprised when the clusterfuck ensues. MS, with all it's quirks, is taking steps in that direction with those big ass dialogs when soykaf could happen if you press "Ok". Maybe we could make computers to be considered "heavy-machinery" and limit the access of ignorant people to computers to complex to them. "You want to use this big ass computer? There, learn this first and then use it". Mostly works with motorized vehicles, why not with this?

>6933 $sudo -su