34C3

Who of you Lains are going to visit the 34th Chaos Communication Congress and which talks or workshops do you have in mind? Would you like to hold a comfy meetup at the Teahouse again? :3

if I had a hecker friend to go with I would go but travelling alone stresses me the fuarrrk out.

>>6334 I am a poor user(student) who is living in the grace of mom and dad >kill me already anon Even if I had money I wouldn't go reason >>>6341

I went last year and I'm coming this year too. Should we have the meetup on day1 or day2 this year? If we do it on day3, congress will be over just after we met each other.

to be honest the congress gets worse every year. Too much politics and less technical talks. Also the CCC of today is like kicking dead whales down the beach tranny cock and regularly drives out wrongthinkers. It's a fuarrrking soykafshow.

>>6334 I think it's going downhill since 2013 My advice for anons going this year will be avoid non-technical(SJWs) and political soykaf

>>6353 >regularly drives out wrongthinkers When did that happen?

>>6350 Good suggestion. We should schedule our meeting on IRC again, just like last year. This time in #conferences though, because Appleman wants it so. >>6354 I agree. My fear is that SJWs are going to take over the C3 in the following years. >avoid non-technical(SJWs) soykaf That's what I'm going to do anyway. As long as I can walk around without getting harassed by SJW bullsoykaf, I will attend to congresses.

>>6353 transphobia is not /cyb/.

>>6357 If you look at transgenderism as a precursor for transhumanism, bias against that sort of thing is definitely cyberpunk, you see it in a lot of cyberpunk works. But I think you're using "/cyb/" more to mean "the values that this communities upholds", in which case: this is a metropolitan community, with transgendered people and transphobes alike. Please don't speak as though you speak for everyone.

>>6359 >metropolitan pretend i wrote cosmopolitan pls

>>6353 > to be honest the congress gets worse every year. The Fahrplan this year looks better than the last few years. Also I like to object, that the c3 has grown ervery year. The people you want to hang out with are still there, but you have to look a bit around. I'm looking forward to the 34c3 and the new location. Friends of mine are already there.

>>6353 >>6354 yeah that forced diversity bs is taking over. https://twitter.com/c3diversity/status/942193120636174336

>>6355 I can't remember a single case where a person was expelled from C3 because of their political believes. I think >>6353 is just trying to stir soykaf to derail the thread into another "I am angry SJWs" discussion. You can tell by >CCC nowadays succs tranny cock that he is not arguing in good faith.

>>6363 I can. At one of the later years in Berlin someone was kicked out because he wore some Thorsteinar Merch, a shop associated with the right wing groups / culture. While I construe from the all-lifeforms-welcome scrolls the CCC subscribes itself to especially during Congress the implied decency to not present myself in uniform or banners of any broader political activism that is out of scope of the CCCs _political_ fields or should I say original _political_ fields the people higher up seem to think differently. Otherwise I wouldn't be enduring the open representation of Antifa Chapters at the congress. Funnily enough there is a distinct lack of Sportwehrgruppen. And yes I know the genesis of the CCC but then cut the hypocritical all creatures welcome bullsoykaf. It could have been a common ground to tackle technological and adhering political problems but no it had to become an ideological circle jerk. The rapid expansion was a mistake (not just in my opinion) and people criticizing that have been shunned and attacked on the lists and outside of it when questioning policies and the overall direction of things. >>6361 >Fahrplan too shallow discussion I'd like to add a dimension. I'm familiar with the crowd that meets at congress to hack things. You know those nerds who never leave the HC. The last years people got told off for soldering "too much" and testing at their tables. This year the word is that you're only allowed to solder at some designated tables. Flying *copters is completely forbidden. Only outside if you have a license and some other fun requirements. Photographing peoples faces and displays without permission is a normal occurrence not a rare exception that results in a monitored deletion of the photos taken and a stern lecture. Now to be fair some of these things can be attributed to building owners and their safety requirements but the overall cultural shift can't. > Also I like to object, that the c3 has grown ervery year. That statement is not wrong in itself but missing the point. For every visitor in 2011 we have 3 additional visitors in 2013 (>=4 in post 2014). And what we're talking about are still the adjustments happening from that massive expansion. >>6362 >that twittering That's just sad. Everybody is just trolling everybody right?

>>6359 The first one, but I'm not going to pretend I welcome transphobes either.

>>6362 Is this Twitter account actually associated with CCC? Or is it just peanut gallery commentator? These guys are literally just Nazis with different goal posts. Instead of Jews it's white "cis" men. They force their opinions and values onto everyone else and don't listen to any kind of criticism or alternative thoughts. They are not more tolerant or liberal, they are just tolerant and liberal about *different things*. And exactly as fascist and closed minded about everything else. We need more people to take a stand against this kind of bullsoykaf invading tech and hacker culture. http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918

>>6382 >These guys are literally just Nazis with different goal posts. you do know that the nazis killed hundreds of people before they came into power right? SJWs have never killed anybody.

>>6384 Fine s/Nazi/fascist/ if you want The point is it's not diversity or equality. They are just trying to change who is privileged and who is discriminated. And it's all done under the banner of liberalism and freedom but it's the exact opposite.

Lain, before we totally leave topic, how about holding a lainchan meetup today (day 2 / 2017-12-28) at 10pm (22:00h)? There's a talk by djb in parallel, but if everyone is okay watching that on stream, we could meet at Teehaus then. Any objections?

>>6417 okay, fixed: https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Session:Lainchan_Meetup see everylain there!

https://events.ccc.de/congress/2017/wiki/index.php/Session:Lain_Marathon if you have 5.5h to spare

>>6422

^_^ to all of those who were at the lain screening, teahouse meetup, cyberia assembly, and just the whole darned thing: thank you, it was awesome.

>>6364 >all that soykaf without even a single source

>>6364 >Photographing peoples faces and displays without permission is a normal occurrence Ehh. I saw a few people with cameras around. There were a couple of press people, who when I saw them, unless they were actively shooting were either pointing their camera up or at the floor, or had it covered (or both). Some other journalists came and were doing video, but they asked permission before starting to film. Other people with dslr's and other cameras tended to have them up or covered. There were many people will cellphone cameras, its harder to follow them, but most seemed carefully framing things to avoid random people being clear, shooting from below targets, waiting while people move et cetera. is it perfect, I mean, no. But I feel like you're representation of it is here being a little over the top. Maybe expansion isnt a good thing, I am not trying to comment on that, but specific critisisms should be backed up.

>>6359 >with transgenered people and transphobes alike it's not 'transgendered' it's just 'transgender'

>>6487 I prefer the term 'mentally ill'.

>>6443 truly was! see you all next year hopefully!

>>6334 >>6424 Damn this looks fun, too bad it's over. Kind of embarrassing but I didn't know these kinds of events existed outside of the US (Defcon). Never really paid attention I guess. Are there any other conferences like this in Europe?

>>6497 There's Blackhat Europe. It's more on the technical side than defcon or c3

>All creatures welcome >Except those with non-leftist views

>>6508 Not true, unless by saying "non-leftist views" you mean "being an open supporter of NPD".

>>6522 And what's your point glitterboy? The NPD is a legitimate and registered democratic party.

>>6596 There remains a very significant amount of political spectrum that is both not leftist and not NPD.

>>6597 >avoiding the point Just what a commie would do

>>6522 >>6597 >All creatures welcome >Except those with views we don't like (such as NPD) I am not sure why you think this is better than >>6508. I am getting tired of this phony liberalism. What was wrong with "All creatures welcome"?

>>6604 "All creatures welcome except those who disagree with the mission statement of all creatures being welcome" doesn't even sound unreasonable though.

>>6605 >"All creatures welcome except those who disagree with the mission statement of all creatures being welcome" doesn't even sound unreasonable though. It doesn't sound unreasonable but that's not what was said. If that's what was meant by >>6522 then fair enough.

>>6605 >you are not welcome here >this place is for everyone And they tell me that leftists have bigger average IQ than right wing.

>>6617 > everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist Who said I was a leftist? This is why your movements are failing. Backed into corners, paranoid, not even trusting each other... it's more amusing than anything.

>>6619 I do not consider myself right wing, just noticed the trends that leftwing politics spouts.

>>6623 >>6619 I'm pretty sure this is one person, trying to bait anyone and everyone who bites. It's the only way that whole exchange makes sense.

>>6624 >Accuse your own samefagging of samefagging

>>6625 ...we're in deep now.

>>6624 Paranoia? Check Conspiracy theory? Check Delusions of grandeur? Check Yep, another lainchan user

>>6629 If you think this community is like that, why are you still here? Go away.

>>6629 I don't have delusions of grandeur, I am grand!

>>6633 Rude

>>6605 >"All creatures welcome except those who disagree with the mission statement of all creatures being welcome" doesn't even sound unreasonable though. You use different words but the meaning is the same "you must believe what we believe". It is fascist thought police pretending to be left wing and liberal. A better mission statement would be "All creatures welcome except those who cause trouble". The emphasis needs to be on what people *do*. not on what they think.

>>6660 On the one hand you're clearly obsessed with semantics but on the other hand you're implying that not wanting to associate yourself with fascists makes you a fascist which makes not really sense from a logical standpoint.

>>6661 >you're implying that not wanting to associate yourself with fascists makes you a fascist which makes not really sense from a logical standpoint. Yes, telling people they must believe X and not Y is a fascist ideology, even when Y is also fascism. Do as I say not do as I do. It is not a contradiction. It is literally how authoritarianism works. Tricking people to believe you are the opposite of what you are is a good strategy when what you are is evil. We need to get politics out of tech. "Diversity" should be a bad word just like "ethnic cleansing". Show me code that works and do the politics somewhere else.

>Yes, telling people they must believe X and not Y is a fascist ideology, even when Y is also fascism. But nobody is forcing you to believe anything. >We need to get politics out of tech. "Diversity" should be a bad word just like "ethnic cleansing". Show me code that works and do the politics somewhere else. That's not even on-topic. Why are you bringing this up?

>>6660 "Trouble" meaning anyone who behaves in a manner you personally disagree with. Hypocrite.

>>6629 It's not paranoia at all, he's pointing out typical /b/tard behaviour and your defensiveness implies he's right.

>>6662 >We need to get politics out of tech. I guess the CCC is just not for you, then. Congress is all about combining art, politics and technology. And congress isn't the only technology group with political intentions. If you're into anarcho capitalism, there's the blockchain clowns. If you're into neo-liberalism, there's silicon valley. If you're into feudalism, there's urbit. Also, the idea of technology having ever been free of politics is a neo-liberal lie.

>>6663 >But nobody is forcing you to believe anything. >That's not even on-topic. Why are you bringing this up? I refer you to >>6522 and >>6362 >>6664 >"Trouble" meaning anyone who behaves in a manner you personally disagree with. Hypocrite. Trouble is a distraction from what we are trying to achieve e.g. talk about technology. The point is there should not be any political bias in the organizing. If the antifa are kicking off at the npd it's the antifa that should be kicked out because they started the trouble, not the npd because you don't like them. >>6666 >Congress is all about combining art, politics and technology. You need to get your story straight. Either you are a leftist insider trade or you are neutral. You cannot pretend to be neutral and then push your left agenda. That is not ok. Lying is not ok.

>>6690 You don't leave the house much, do you?