God and humanity

I have some questions I would like to ask you concerning the idea of of God and how he would theoretically interact with humans. If you're willing, I have prepared some questions I would like you to answer. 1) God: >what do you hear when you hear the word "God"? >what would you say God is Like? >How did you develop this opinion? 2) Humanity >Why do we die? >What happens after death? >How did you develop these opinions? 3) The idea of Sin >What do you define as right and wrong? >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? >What if someone disagrees with you? Who decides? Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

>>5235 1) God: >what do you hear when you hear the word "God"? i hear 'god' >what would you say God is Like? unknowable >How did you develop this opinion? I interacted with people who like to say what god does, thinks and did. I think these people are conmen, also they're soykaf. 2) Humanity >Why do we die? Because we live off of death. It is a cycle, we are not special. Life is bigger than us. >What happens after death? You decay into delicious food for other things to live off of. >How did you develop these opinions? Critical thinking, depression, talking with a lot of people. Thinking again, observation. 3) The idea of Sin >What do you define as right and wrong? Humans define right and wrong. The concepts are the foundation of society. They are not real though. >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? Other people may punish you. You may punish yourself if you've internalized morality. >What if someone disagrees with you? Who decides? The strongest decides. It's always been this way.

>>5238 Thank you very much for this.

>>5239 sure :)

1) God: >what do you hear when you hear the word "God"? Don’t know angels singing in the background is certainly not what I am hearing >what would you say God is Like? An observant most of all, The creator of a big universe letting “nature” do its work alone >How did you develop this opinion? Could be because really like the idea of someone who is observing everything to the creation and the dead of something. 2) Humanity >Why do we die? Because everything has an end >What happens after death? My anxiety attacks tells me that pure darkness awaits us when we die >How did you develop these opinions? Personal Experiences and lots reflection 3) The idea of Sin >What do you define as right and wrong? Doing the right thing is making sure that no one gets harmed emotionally neither physically Doing the wrong thing means completely the opposite >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? If you mean being punished by a higher being o entity like karma etc, no the people must bring their own justice and punish those who believe did wrong >What if someone disagrees with you? Who decides? Would not care in the slightest everyone has an opinion

>>5241 I thank you as well. This will help me very much I think.

I am not religious, so feel free to skip this one if that renders it irrelevant to your needs. 1) God >What do you hear when you hear the word "God"? Animals with a burning curiosity that cannot possibly be satisfied by any amount of discovery. We have big questions about purpose and the nature of being to which there are no answers. So we created 'god' as an objective truth. In its purest form it might've been healthy, but this would not feel tangible to us. We need physical descriptions and language and aesthetics or its not much better than the situation we had in the first place. This allowed us to cement our own beliefs and morals and have them treated as fact, and this has proven harmful. >what would you say God is Like? She likes computers and wears a bear suit as pyjamas. >How did you develop this opinion? I tried looking at the reasons so many societies have independently developed religions and how their common themes arise. 2) Humanity >Why do we die? Moving parts wear out. Systems fail. We exist in the physical world, things happen. There's not much to it really. You could look at it as god showing mercy on its cultivators if you like. A bit of a con when you remember that god was apparently why we're here in the first place, but there you go. >What happens after death? I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the nature of the self or why subjective experience is a thing. Anything I suggest would be equally meaningless, so I like to think you get a nice cup of tea and they finally tell you what that whole existence thing was all about. >How did you develop these opinions? I'm not going to fake this a second time, I'm just throwing up on the page. Half this stuff I'm reasoning on the spot. 3) The idea of Sin >What do you define as right and wrong? Ask me a while ago and I would have said 'Since we somehow developed feelings that are inherently positive and negative, right is anything that cancels to a positive number and wrong is anything that cancels to a negative number', but now I'm not so sure we do experience inherent positive and negative hits to our experience. I still feel happiness, sadness, pain etcetera, but I don't really understand what's 'good' and 'bad' about them anymore. I dont want to fall into that whole 'no morality without religion' stereotype, but, uh, I guess I do. I think maybe I'm just way too objective. >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? Since I think right and wrong are constructs of human thought, the only consequences would be the obvious human x human stuff. >What if someone disagrees with you? Who decides? I fuarrrking do. Assuming I'm not involved, the conclusion should be drawn from an entirely logical set of instructions based on axioms that are fundamental to the argument.

>>5243 Thank you very much. I appreciate the effort you put in.

- The Sovereignty historically, leaders of humanity e.g clans/tribe/race/state/country etc; Would like to be the unfulfilled dream = "the supreme" Who brought these words "The Sovereignty" ? - Death & Life Something beyond human's or mortal's thought - sin there is no right nor wrong :/

>What happens after death? I'm hoping to get isekai'd.

>>5260 I could live with that.

1) God: >what do you hear when you hear the word "God"? I hear "the reason I am going to heaven and you to hell, but you can still convert by giving up any form of critical thinking" >what would you say God is Like? I would say he is not. >How did you develop this opinion? I passed a lot of time trying to convince atheists to be less atheist and that teached me what all this hate against God and Christians was. I then had a lot of experiences with Christians and I am now sure they are mentally ill. 2) Humanity >Why do we die? We just run out of time, our body goes old just like everything. >What happens after death? The world goes on without you, you don't. >How did you develop these opinions? I know the worlds of no-godders and godders, I have thinked a lot about the nature of God and had really different theological stages in my life, I've apse read a lot of philophers such as Giordano Bruno. 3) The idea of Sin >What do you define as right and wrong? Wrong is what hurts the people around you. >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? If you act that wrong someone will take revenge I think >What if someone disagrees with you? Who decides? I'll just let them be, everyone can believe what he wants I guess

>what do you hear when you hear the word "God"? Religious deities, and things like reality, life, metaphysical woo. >what would you say God is Like? Everything or nothing. >Why do we die? Without time, everything is dead. With time, everything dies. >What happens after death? We return to the state before life, and whatever implications that may bring. >What do you define as right and wrong? Whatever maximizes personal freedom and life, on a basic level (humanity/law). Beyond that, damned if I know. >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? Only if there is a law (in any interpretation of the word) to bring consequence. >How did you develop this opinion? With a reality grid.

1) God: >what do you hear when you hear the word "God"? Generally I have found that I look down on religious people, but it's something I'm working on. I think it's kind of shallow for me to judge people so much because of one belief so I'm trying to avoid that in my mind. >what would you say God is Like? Personally I'm an atheist, so I would say 'imaginary' or 'non existent' >How did you develop this opinion? Well I read the bible when I was younger cover to cover because I was bored in a hotel room and it was the only book there, I'd never really thought about it before, my parents never forced religion on me, basically I read it and thought "this seems like it isn't true" and pretty much just did more and more research since then, looked into different religions and none of them seemed to really make sense to me or at least none seemed like anything more than just made up, even if they were some positive aspects I could never actually convince myself that there was a god or gods in this universe. 2) Humanity >Why do we die? I don't really think there is a reason, asking why is a very human thing to do, I don't think the universe needs a reason it just is. >What happens after death? I don't think anything, I think our body just decomposes and out minds simply cease to be. >How did you develop these opinions? Observations, science, logical thought. I know I kind of sound like the stereotypical fedora wearing atheist but I'm really trying to avoid that, it's just what seems to make the most sense to me when I think about it as objectively as possible, while considering all of the facts that I know. 3) The idea of Sin >What do you define as right and wrong? I believe morality is a construct and doesn't really mean anything >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? if you get caught ;^). But in a cosmic sense I don't think so. I still tend to stick to a sort of "treat others as you wish to be treated" kind of thing. >What if someone disagrees with you? Who decides? no one decides, no one is right or wrong because that doesn't exist. Again, I'm really trying not to sound like 'le edgy athiest science and logic guy', I'm trying to keep an open mind but I have yet to find anything to convince me that there is a God

>>5235 i've got a few different conceptions of god, but this one's my favorite: the basic premise is that consciousness emerges from the configuration of material objects. our experience of consciousness comes from the arrangement of atoms in our brain. but there is no reason to believe that consciousness cannot emerge from other structures. it isn't hard to imagine an alien planet where conscious entities go around with heads full of silicon instead of carbon. after all, the specific atoms aren't important, it's the dynamics that govern their interactions that produces what we call a mind. think of the mind as "data" which is encoded into the physical structure of a brain. since the mind transcends any particular physical "representation", you could theoretically encode it into any number of material structures. perhaps we will one day be able to encode a mind onto a computer chip, or engrave it into a diamond for storage. the point is that the mind itself (a theoretical object) exists independently from the media of it's encoding (i.e. the physical dynamics that support it). now if you know any math, you've probably heard of isomorphisms. if not, it's basically a two-way mapping between objects from two different domains. importantly, this mapping must also preserve the rules governing interactions between objects in each domain. for example, time on a 12 hour clock is isomorphic to time on a 24 hour clock. if you check the time on a 12 hour clock, add five minutes, and map the result to 24 hour time, it's the same as mapping to the 24 hour clock, then adding the five minutes (using the rules of 24 hour time representation). is it possible that such isomorphisms exist for the human brain? the brain is just atoms interacting with eachother, right? so couldn't those interactions be preserved in some unknown mapping between brain-atoms and semiconductor-atoms, or brain-atoms and atoms in some turbulent flowing liquid? you could call these mappings "personification". you basically have a form of animism at this point. streams and trees and rocks are all conscious, and you all probably think i'm fuarrrking with you (i promise i'm not). i'll assume you're comfortable with the idea that at least YOU are conscious. but what about other people? they are, aren't they? you know because they act like it. fact is, a brain hooked up to a human body tends to conduct itself in a certain way. you can understand this mind when it expresses itself because you've got a great deal in common with it physiologically. cats are probably conscious, right? they aren't the same as humans, but the things they do are recognizably mammalian. what if you could put a live human brain in a jar? it's still just as conscious as a human brain in a body, but you're going to have a tougher time communicating with it than you would with a cat. you might even begin to doubt whether or not it is actually conscious. the important point here is that we recognize consciousness by its *expression* in the physical world, and conscious minds can exist whether or not we recognize them. all right, now we get to the part about god. god is the consciousness that emerges naturally from all the interaction of all matter in the physical universe. clearly the expressions of such a vast and alien mind cannot possibly be understood in the same way as a human mind. this is why monotheistic religion exists: to personify god. here "personify" means both the usual thing, and also the definition i gave above. to worship god is to construct a mapping between the great infinite mind of the cosmos and the human mind which can be more readily understood. by the way, if you buy into this particular cosmology you get BOTH reincarnation and the christian "eternal life" thing for free! ...still working on support for heaven/hell, and unfortunately i think it might be fundamentally incompatible with protestantism.

>>5317 to actually answer your questions: >Why do we die? our bodies die for the same reason that stone erodes and brains forget. >What happens after death? the world moves on without you. >how did you develop these opinions? thinking about them i guess. also, ripping off hofstadter. i was a nominal christian, then i was an atheist. then i just thought coming up with a concept to stick the "god" label to would be useful. >What do you define as right and wrong? right: things that agree with my aesthetic judgement wrong: things that do not agree with my aesthetic judgement >Are there any consequences for doing wrong? i won't like you >What if someone disagrees with you? we argue >Who decides? i do