Wh-Wha-Whats going on-on Ding ding Lets do the crazy global froogg

>>1478 >overpopulation How much do you get paid per post by the Rockefeller globalists?

>>1478 >Africans have 7 children even though they can't feed them >"you lonely virgins on niche imageboards need to think about overpopulation" lol k

>>4067 Globalists want overpopulation because the excess of desperate poor people will do crappy labour and manufacturing jobs for pennies a day.

>>4066 I don't think you read the OP very carefully.

>>4068 This is not the place to wage slave for Wall Street and London. It's established fact that overpopulation is a fraud perpetrated by the globalists. The globalists promote this fraud to cover for their true agenda of depopulating the world. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/mcgowanpeakoilandclubofrome14mar05.shtml http://educate-yourself.org/cn/davemcgowan70newsletter12oct04.shtml https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lIboR9Wtg8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJoavrrl_U

>>4071 You joking? The degredation and brazilification of western nations via the hooton plan is in the globalists interests. They gain nothing from depopulation, and they gain a lot from slave nations without nationalistic ideals.

>>4072 >They gain nothing from depopulation For something which the globalists supposedly "gain nothing" from, us working rubes sure do have to put up with listening to a whole lot of " the world is overpopulated, we're running out of oil, there's not enough resources" propaganda from the globalist media. But of course, that's a bit inconvenient for your low-effort bait. So tell me, how much do Rockefeller or the Council on Foreign Relations pay you per post?

>>4071 > This is not the place to wage slave for Wall Street and London I think what I said was pretty anti-globalist, I'm just pointing out the retarded logic of your interpretation of it.

>>4074 >78 cents were deposited into your account

>>4074 >peddling "overpopulation" as if it's real >anti-globalist Pick one. If I was a simpler man, and I didn't know what I now do about the "overpopulation, peak oil, not enough resources" scam perpetrated by globalists to line their fat greedy profits with the illusion of "scarcity" (oil and diamonds are abundant, renewable resources btw this is fact), I might think that perhaps the REAL reason you peddle this "overpopulation" fraud is for a simple reason: You just don't want us to enjoy a good, fat nut. Oh no, wagepleb, don't do that. Think of the children! The world is "overpopulated".

>>4075 >>4076 I saw some tinfoil fedoras for sale on etsy, maybe there's one in your size. Why are you people always so anti-science by the way?

>>4077 >"Overpopulation" >Science The entire human population of 8 billion can fit comfortably in the state of Texas with a decent sized home and backyard and ample parks and greenery for each family. >"Petroleum comes from dinosaur fossils" >Science The Russian-Ukrainian theory of abiotic oil that is renewable and forms at the high temperatures and pressures found at the Earth's deep mantle is scientific fact. Abiotic oil has been established through over 60 years of qualitative and quantitative research including thermodynamics and statistical mechanics from some of the top geophysicists, engineers, chemists and mathematicians (among others) in the world.

>>4078 wtf is this post >overpopulation is entirely about space >things that can't be tested are scientific fact

>>4078 > "Petroleum comes from dinosaur fossils" lol who are you even trying to quote here? And the anti-science lobby has been repeating that size of Texas crap for decades. You're forgetting where all that population's food and other goods are coming from, and where their household garbage and poop are going to be dumped. Keep going...

>>4079 >>4080 When were members of the Club of Rome allowed to post? Forgive me for being naive, but I thought lainchan was a comfy space for truthseekers. NOT another node for globalist infiltration.

>>4081 What in the flying fuarrrk gave you that impression? When people make sensible refutations of your points (overpopulation is about more than living space, oil theory is untestable) and you answer by implying they're shiIls. You are naive if you think this is a comfy space for anyone making such controversial points. Defend your views properly, don't just resort to ad homs and appeals to consensus. sage for off topic

>>4081 "This website on the internet isn't a node for globalization" "The internet, which is used to connect people from all over the world, is not a node for globalization" Just think about what you just said for a minute. Do you realize how utterly retarded that sounds?

>>4083 This site's very name is LAINCHAN.ORG, based on a character who is supposed to be symbolic of a collective consciousness! LOL @ you if you think that has anything to do with anti-globalization.

>>4082 >sensible refutations Overpopulation is a scam. 8 billion humans can fit comfortably in the state of Texas. Key word: comfortably. This includes food and other goods, as well as sewage, waste disposal and composting systems as >>1531 brought up. >oil theory is untestable Abiotic oil theory has been TESTED for over 6 DECADES. It has been proven true through repeated tests by some of the top geophysicists, engineers, chemists and mathematicians on the planet. Petroleum is a renewable resource of hydrocarbons that continually gush out to the ground from sources deep in the Earth's mantle (where inorganic carbons and other alkanes and chemicals are super-heated and under immense pressure). "Fossil fuel" theory has never been proven true and flies in the face of all of the evidence.

>>4080 I've been attending anti-gobalization protests for years actually. A lot of individuals and groups oppose globalization for different reasons but I'm particularly concerned with its environmental impacts. You're a poor excuse for a troll, back under the bridge with you.

>>4085 This is all utter nonsense with no evidence to back it up. > top geophysicists, engineers, chemists and mathematicians on the planet. Not much of a citation, brah.

>>4085 Sources. >It has been proven true Not how science works. >"Fossil fuel" theory has never been proven true Just like gravity. >flies in the face of all of the evidence. Wait. I have some evidence. There was only so much oil in the ground after billions of years. That implies a rate at which it accrues, clearly this rate is far, far too low to be the source of all our fuel. Even if it is the case we'd still need alternatives. Makes no sense.

>>4087 >Not much of a citation, brah. From: http://educate-yourself.org/cn/davemcgowan52newsletter13mar04.shtml "During the second phase of its development, the modern theory of petroleum was entirely recast from a qualitative argument based upon a synthesis of many qualitative facts into a quantitative argument based upon the analytical arguments of quantum statistical mechanics and thermodynamic stability theory. (Chekaliuk 1967; Boiko 1968; Chekaliuk 1971; Chekaliuk and Kenney 1991; Kenney 1995) With the transformation of the modern theory from a synthetic geology theory arguing by persuasion into an analytical physical theory arguing by compulsion, petroleum geology entered the mainstream of modern science. The modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of deep, abiotic petroleum origins is not controversial nor presently a matter of academic debate. The period of debate about this extensive body of knowledge has been over for approximately two decades (Simakov 1986)" http://www.geotimes.org/june03/NN_gulf.html " In June 2003, Geotimes paid a visit to the Gulf of Mexico ("Raining Hydrocarbons in the Gulf"), and the story grew yet more compelling. (http://www.geotimes.org/june03/NN_gulf.html) Below the Gulf of Mexico, hydrocarbons flow upward through an intricate network of conduits and reservoirs ... and this is all happening now, not millions and millions of years ago, says Larry Cathles, a chemical geologist at Cornell University. "We're dealing with this giant flow-through system where the hydrocarbons are generating now, moving through the overlying strata now, building the reservoirs now and spilling out into the ocean now," Cathles says. ... Cathles and his team estimate that in a study area of about 9,600 square miles off the coast of Louisiana [including Eugene Island 330], source rocks a dozen kilometers [roughly seven miles] down have generated as much as 184 billion tons of oil and gas -- about 1,000 billion barrels of oil and gas equivalent. "That's 30 percent more than we humans have consumed over the entire petroleum era," Cathles say. "And that's just this one little postage stamp area; if this is going on worldwide, then there's a lot of hydrocarbons venting out." Dry oil wells spontaneously refilling? Oil generation and migration systems? Massive oil reserves miles beneath the earth's surface? Spontaneous venting of enormous volumes of gas and oil? (Roberts noted that - and this isn't really going to please the environmentalists, but I'm just reporting the facts, ma'am - "natural seepage" in areas like the Gulf of Mexico "far exceeds anything that gets spilled" by the oil industry. And those natural emissions have been pumped into our oceans since long before there was an oil industry.) The all too obvious question here is: how is any of that explained by a theory that holds that oil and gas are 'fossil fuels' created in finite quantities through a unique geological process that occurred millions of years ago? Why do we insist on retaining an antiquated theory that is so obviously contradicted by readily observable phenomena? Is the advancement of the sciences not based on formulating a hypothesis, and then testing that hypothesis? And if the hypothesis fails to account for the available data, is it not customary to either modify that hypothesis or formulate a new hypothesis -- rather than, say, clinging to the same discredited hypothesis for 250 years? "

what a fuarrrking garbage thread. Stop feeding the trolls.

>>4090 >Not responding to the citation I provided (which you specifically asked for). >"Y-you're a troll ! " Ebin.

>>4089 That's a random website and all of its sources are more random websites or newspapers (or just a blank white page). Other pages on the site include "Alients are coming." I want scientific journals. "Top scientists." Where?

>>4092 >"Top scientists." Where? http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Energy.html

>>4092 From http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Energy.html: "The overwhelming preponderance of geological evidence compels the conclusion that crude oil and natural petroleum gas have no intrinsic connection with biological matter originating near the surface of the Earth. They are prim ordial materials which have been erupted from great depths." Academician Professor Vladimir B. Porfir’yev, senior petroleum exploration geologist for the U.S.S.R., at the All-Union Conference on Petroleum and Petroleum Geology, Moscow, 1956. "Statistical thermodynamic analysis has established clearly that hydrocarbon molecules which comprise petroleum require very high pressures for their spontaneous formation, comparable to the pressures required for the same of diamond. In that sense, hydrocarbon molecules are the high-pressure polymorphs of the reduced carbon system as is diamond of elemental carbon. Any notion which might suggest that hydrocarbon molecules spontaneously evolve in the regimes of temperature and pressure characterized by the near-surface of the Earth, which are the regimes of methane creation and hydrocarbon destruction, does not even deserve consideration." Professor Emmanuil B. Chekaliuk, at All-Union Conference on Petroleum and Petroleum Geology, Moscow, 1968. "The eleven major and one giant oil and gas fields here described have been discovered in a region which had, forty years ago, been condemned as possessing no potential for petroleum production. The exploration for these fie lds was conducted entirely according to the perspective of the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of abyssal, abiotic petroleum origins. The drilling which resulted in these discoveries was extended purposely deep into the crystalline basement rock, and it is in that basement where the greatest part of the reserves exist. These reserves amount to at least 8,200M metric tons of recoverable oil and 100B cubic meters of recoverable gas, and are thereby comparable to those of the North Slope of Alaska. It is conservatively estimated that, when developed, these fields will provide approximately thirty percent of the energy needs of the industrial nation of Ukraine." Professor Vladilen A. Krayushkin, Chairman of the Department of Petroleum Exploration, Institute of Geological Sciences, Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, Kiev, and leader of the project for the exploration of the northern flank of the Dni eper-Donets Basin, at the VII-th International Symposium on the Observation of the Continental Crust Through Drilling, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 1994.

>>4092 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2008RG000270/epdf

>>4093 That's an article that focuses entirely on the idea that everyone else is wrong. By its existence it's clear that it's far from the scientific consensus. From the sources we can see that it's a theory that was popular among some Russian scientists. That they have a theory on the formation of oil is fine but that's a far cry from saying that it's "been proven true" by "some of the top geophysicists, engineers, chemists and mathematicians on the planet." It's a theory like there are so many others and not one that's well respected. That's fine, sometimes they turn out to be true but this one seems to have the big hole of "where the fuarrrk are the billions of years of erupted oil that would exist if it was erupting fast enough to use?"

>>4096 From http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2008RG000270/epdf: " Experimental results and geological investigations presented in this article convincingly confirm the main postulates of the theory and allow us to reexamine the structure, size, and locality distributions of the world’s hydrocarbon reserves. " " Geological data presented in this paper do not respond to the main questions related to the hypothesis of biotic petroleum origin. Only the theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of petroleum gives a convincing explanation for all of the above mentioned data. The experimental results discussed in the paper confirm that the CaCO3-FeO-H2O system spontaneously generates the suite of hydrocarbons characteristic of natural petroleum. Modern scientific considerations about the genesis of hydrocarbons confirmed by the results of experiments and practical results of geological investigations provide the understanding that part of the hydrocarbon compounds could be generated at the mantle conditions and migrate through deep faults into the Earth’s crust, where they form oil and gas deposits in any kind of rock and in any kind of structural position. The experimental results presented place the theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of petroleum in the mainstream of modern physics and chemistry and open a great practical application. The theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of petroleum confirms the presence of enormous, inexhaustible resources of hydrocarbons in our planet and allows us to develop a new approach to methods for petroleum exploration and to reexamine the structure, size, and location of the world’s hydrocarbons reserves. "

>>4094 > senior petroleum exploration geologist > hay guise dun worry Yeah that's a neutral source and not in anybody's pocket I'm sure. Or you know, trying to protect his own job. lol you really are pretty naive.

>>4098 >petroleum industry >wanting the normalplebs to know that petroleum is an inexhaustable resource The petroleum industry, like any industry in a capitalist economy, runs on profits and shareholders. The petroleum industry depends on you, the working rube, believing (without a shred of evidence) that petroleum is a "scarce resource that's going to run out" in order to keep petroleum prices at the pump artificially high and maximize their profits and investments for shareholder goodies. >lol you are pretty naive projection

>>4097 You're still just quoting big chunks of it without answering my question at all. Here's some more for you. If it's erupting so fast why are fields running dry and why do we have to keep digging deeper to find it? The papers only ever extend as far as saying there's a lot more not it's renewable. More than that they're just clearly classically bad science. >The theory of the abyssal abiogenic origin of petroleum confirms the presence No. Science is empirical. Only seeing them first hand would confirm that they're there and none of it will ever confirm a theory. Rookie mistake. >inexhaustible resources How exactly is it inexhaustible? That would imply it was being renewed which would imply that it was somehow getting back down there after we burned it. It's full of holes and all the soykaf that's supposed to tell me about it just waffles on about where they found oil and what processes could form it (nobody is arguing that there aren't processes deep within the earth that produce it) without answering how it gets down there in the first place or why, if this theory is the case, we don't see other pieces of evidence that should support it. Also, it's usually considered bad form to just quote papers here. We're a discussion site and you're expected to discuss things. If it's controversial you should source it but just copy pasting isn't a discussion. It's evangelising.

>>4098 >not in anybody's pocket for sure >trying to protect his own job Vladimir B. Porfir'yev was senior petroleum exploration geologist for the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union provided full employment. In fact, the right to a job was guaranteed in the Soviet constitution. Therefore, to imply that Porfir'yev was either lying and propagandizing for private profit (as the senior geologist in a PUBLICLY OWNED, PLANNED, SOCIALIST economy) or protecting his own job (when his right to a job was GUARANTEED by the Soviet constitution and enforced by Soviet labor laws and therefore never under any threat) is absolutely RIDICULOUS. Oh boy am I LAFFIN.

If you're going to s4mef4g at least try to hide it better.

>>4100 Provide literally a shred of evidence that petroleum is scarce and comes from dinosaur fossils in the Earth's crust. Contort yourself in knots trying to account for the following confirmed phenomena: 1) Dry oil wells spontaneously refilling 2) Oil generation and migration systems 3) Massive oil reserves miles beneath the earth's surface 4) Spontaneous venting of enormous volumes of gas and oil

>>4101 > PUBLICLY OWNED, PLANNED, SOCIALIST economy ...and we all know the Soviets never lied about anything.

>>4101 >>trying to protect his own job >Vladimir B. Porfir'yev was senior petroleum exploration geologist for the Soviet Union. >The Soviet Union provided full employment. Well his stance seems to originate from a popular Russian theory from the 1800s. That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, but the obsession Russian and Ukraine had with this theory from nearly 100 years prior to Porfir'yev's quote may imply a nationalistic dedication to the idea. Also: >However, at the time that the abiogenic theory was at its peak from the 1950s to the 1980s, it was not possible to assess the relative merits of these two theories objectively on the basis of the then existing scientific data and this only became possible with the development of much more sophisticated techniques for the analysis of the organic constituents in petroleum such as GC/MS in the 1980s. As a result, a much more detailed understanding of the pathways of organic constituents from source rocks to petroleum was established which offered convincing evidence to support the biogenic theory. By contrast, the abiogenic theory made no real attempt to explain the formation of the very complex mixture of organic compounds which make up oil. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1751-3928.2006.tb00271.x/abstract;jsessionid=E79A4DC9FAA8C488D62021E1B1B2BE52.f04t01 Porfir'yev did not have to be disingenuous to make his claims and still be likely wrong. At the time his nations theories were no less valid than the biogenic theory with the evidence available at the time. Unfortunately, science advances, and citing claims from decades ago that fail to account for new evidence doesn't quite work.

>>4104 >what are 5 Year Plans >what is public ownership of the economy >what is full employment, guaranteed pensions, limits on working hours, rough income equality (the material benefit that "exploitative, corrupt" Politburo members had over the average workers/professionals was...bigger apartments), free education through university, heavily subsidized public housing, dirt cheap and extensive public transportation, low rent and utilites (3 to 4% of monthly income per family), free healthcare, free nurseries, paid 6 week maternity leave, subsidized health resorts for workers' guaranteed one month vacations https://gowans.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/do-publicly-owned-planned-economies-work/ https://gowans.wordpress.com/2010/05/09/a-failed-systems-failed-promises/ https://gowans.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/seven-myths-about-the-ussr/ https://gowans.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/we-lived-better-then/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsjWSgoT8KI&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7F7fOS3o8Q

>>4106 >Also, it's usually considered bad form to just quote papers here. A long list of blogs are fine apparently, but quoting relevant parts of a paper so people don't have to read the whole thing is bad. >*links 27 volume series on why I think I'm right* >well if you didn't read it then you must concede the 'win' to me

>>4105 >At the time his nations theories were no less valid than the biogenic theory with the evidence available at the time. >Unfortunately, science advances, and citing claims from decades ago that fail to account for new evidence doesn't quite work. So you insist on new evidence? Alright. Ok, I will repeat this offer of mine. Provide a shred of evidence that the biogenic theory of fossil fuel in the Earth's crust and "scarce petroleum/peak oil" is correct. Tie yourself into a pretzel trying to get the biogenic theory to account for confirmed and continuing evidence of the following phenomena: 1) Dry oil wells spontaneously refilling 2) Oil generation and migration systems 3) Massive oil reserves miles beneath the earth's surface 4) Spontaneous venting of enormous volumes of gas and oil

>>4107 That the Soviet Union's economy was publicly owned, planned and socialist is a well-established fact with mountains of credible evidence to support it. Anon I responded to >>4104 provided not one single shred of evidence to back up their statement to the contrary (" they must have lied about the readily observable and verifiable structure of their economy, which economists and analysts have confirmed over and over again"). Sorry I like to provide sources, I guess.

>>4108 >>1566 Fair enough. My post ended up being a misunderstanding of your response to someone incorrectly calling the Russian scientists shílls anyway. I just found it interesting that the Russians are the main ones showing up as pursuing the abiogenic theory and how the theory originated there. Since joining this conversation an hour ago I have learned a lot. The mere existence of multiple mechanisms of hydrocarbon formation and evidence exclusive to that method of hydrocarbon formation implying for now that crude oil is being formed through more than one process muddies things too. Currently trying to navigate way through potentially useless journal articles to find shreds of explanations for oil migration and how that might also account for the refilling and deep biogenic oil formation. Problem is every search in this area results in a million American blogs and low quality news sites spreading hearsay. Here is a lecture with some citations that describes hydrocarbon migration, which could account for the miles deep reserves at least http://www.geol.lsu.edu/hart/EARTH_SCIENCE/COURSES/PET_GEOL/course401_files/migration_files/migration.htm

This thread is an embarrassment even to the hollowed out shell Lainchan has already become.

>muh globalism >facebook frog I'm guessing the other lainchan is the commie one?

>>4111 I'm already getting used to it. I just skip over these threads. 4chan used to have quality too, this decay is the fate of everything in this world.

>>4113 meme culture caused this. The teenager alt-right/SJW/whatever politic normal person soykaf was always inevitably going to end up here. It's hopeless. The internet is not a safe haven. It was nice while it lasted.

>>4112 >I'm guessing the other lainchan is the commie one? Not sure what you mean by this to be honest. >>4111 >embarrasment In what way is lively discussion an embarrassment? >>4113 >lively discussion about petroleum geology >not quality >symbol of decay in the world wot? >>4114 >teenager alt-right/SJW/whatever politic normal person soykaf In what way is lively discussion of petroleum geology equivalent to meme culture normal person soykaf? >>4112 >muh globalism >facebook frog Not gonna lie, read this greentext, saw all the Pepe's ITT and thought it was the funniest soykaf. I busted out laughing. Call my sense of humor sophomoric but you have to admit that the juxtaposition of those smug comfy Pepe's with serious scientific research is completely fuarrrking hilarious. Love this thread. I don't know why some of you are so upset and booty-tickled. Lighten up a bit. No need to be so jaded, anons. Lmao tbqh family.

>>4111 You don't let one guy ruin things for you. It's not the first time we've had trolls like this. The guy's been destroyed logically. He can't answer questions or do anything other than copy paste and assert. It's painfully obvious that he's not from round here and has made the same mistake they all do where they don't bother to learn that we aren't your usual chan. Just don't let it get to you. If you want to argue with them go ahead, but you don't have to. Thing is it's going to be a thing. People will go and push their agendas wherever they can. Like I say this isn't the first time it's happened and it won't be the last either but that's the deal with being on the internet. Either you see these things or you stay in some carefully controlled bubble. Ultimately it's on us to handle it well.

>>4116 >The guy's been destroyed logically. Nobody in this entire thread has disproven the modern Russian-Ukrainian abiogenic theory of petroleum production. Nobody in this entire thread has disproven the fact that "overpopulation" is a myth and deliberate scam promoted by the Rockefeller/Wall Street/Club of Rome globalists for their eugenics depopulation agenda. Nobody in this entire thread has proven or shown any evidence that the ludicrous Western biogenic theory of "fossil fuel" in the Earth's crust and "scarce petroleum/peak oil" is correct. I'm a friendly guy, so I'll be generous. Here is exactly how you can "destroy me logically". It's a simple proposition. All you have to do is provide one single shred of evidence that the conventional Western biogenic theory of "scarce fossil fuel" in the Earth's crust and "peak oil" fully accounts for the available evidence. Now, have fun twisting yourself into absurd loops trying to get the Western biogenic theory of "fossil fuels in the Earth's crust" and "scarce petrol/peak oil" to be able to account for new evidence of the following confirmed, observable phenomena: 1) Dry oil wells spontaneously refilling 2) Oil generation and migration systems 3) Massive oil reserves miles beneath the earth's surface 4) Spontaneous venting of enormous volumes of gas and oil Source for 4 phenomena: http://www.geotimes.org/june03/NN_gulf.html Brief extract from the source: "Below the Gulf of Mexico, hydrocarbons flow upward through an intricate network of conduits and reservoirs ... and this is all happening now, not millions and millions of years ago, says Larry Cathles, a chemical geologist at Cornell University. "We're dealing with this giant flow-through system where the hydrocarbons are generating now, moving through the overlying strata now, building the reservoirs now and spilling out into the ocean now," Cathles says. ... Cathles and his team estimate that in a study area of about 9,600 square miles off the coast of Louisiana [including Eugene Island 330], source rocks a dozen kilometers [roughly seven miles] down have generated as much as 184 billion tons of oil and gas -- about 1,000 billion barrels of oil and gas equivalent. "That's 30 percent more than we humans have consumed over the entire petroleum era," Cathles say. "And that's just this one little postage stamp area; if this is going on worldwide, then there's a lot of hydrocarbons venting out."

This thread is to relocate the outbreak of globalist / antiglobalist frogposting debate. This is because pepe is not a human, and hence spam frogposting on /hum/ is not appropriate, and also /hum/ is not /civ/, and the whole globalist, anti-globalist, communisn , anarchism and other politic squabbling has previously occurred here, because no other board wants to tolerate its soykaf.

Just permaban them we don't need frogposting retards here.

>>4113 The frogposter may be unpleasant, especially in their derailment of the original thread. But they have attempted to stimulate far more interesting discussion than most 4chan threads seem to achieve. Unlike the global warming debate, there is much more here that is very poorly understood that appears to contradict or conflict with both biogenic and abiogenic theories (see wiki page on abiogenic theory of hydrocarbons for a list). The really weird thing is how the frog poster often deleted their posts and replaced them with effectively the same post but a different image

>>4117 >Nobody in this entire thread has disproven the modern Russian-Ukrainian abiogenic theory of petroleum production Except the guy who pointed out a load of logical inconsistencies. The ones you've ignored while insisting no-one has an argument against you. People can read you know. They won't just forget. The only way this goes forward is by answering his questions or us laughing at your inability to do so. >All you have to do is provide one single shred of evidence that the conventional Western biogenic theory That's not how this works. The two theories are separate. Even if I conclusively disproved biotic oil it wouldn't prove you right. >Source for 4 phenomena None of those phenomena contradict the biotic theory at all and, unlike your theory, it actually explains how the raw material gets down there in the first place. What does your theory have to say on that matter? Do pixies renew the hydrogen and carbon?

>>4071 >educate-yourself.org >youtube

>>4076 >(oil and diamonds are abundant, renewable resources btw this is fact), Low effort bait >>4085 >8 billion humans can fit comfortably in the state of Texas. >Key word: comfortably Lol, sure >Abiotic oil theory has been TESTED for over 6 DECADES. Source?

>>4123 >Except the guy who pointed out logical inconsistencies Nobody pointed out any logical inconsistencies in the modern Russian-Ukrainian abiotic oil theory. If you seriously think anybody did, quote them. >Even if I conclusively disproved biotic oil it wouldn't prove you right. LOLOLOL. Yes it absolutely would. Think about what you wrote for literally 2 seconds. Petroleum is either biotic or abiotic in origin. There is no middle ground or other option. It's an either or. Disproving biotic oil theory (or vice versa) makes the other theory correct by default. Although we don't need to go by default, since I have extensively sourced proofs throughout this entire thread that the Russian-Ukrainian theory of abiotic oil production both successfully accounts for all of the available evidence and does not violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (which biotic oil theory and theories of "peak oil" or "scarce petrol" clearly do not successfully account for while also violating the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics). The over 250 year old "fossil fuel" theory has never been proven and remains an entirely speculative hypothesis. >None of those 4 phenomena contradict biotic theory at all Yes, they do. If oil is theorized to biotic in origin, located in the Earth's crust and a scarce resource, then that theory absolutely cannot account for dry oil wells spontaneously refilling, massive oil reserves miles beneath the Earth's surface, oil generation and migration systems and spontaneous venting of enormous volumes of gas and oil. >Do pixies renew the hydrogen and carbon? No, the hydrogen and inorganic carbon alkanes are continually regenerated through the extreme high pressure and extreme high temperature deep underground in the Earth's mantle. The petroleum then migrates upward through vents and tectonic plates. >>4130 >Bait. >Source? Literally read the thread for all the sources you want. Skim through some of them or (gasp) read them thoroughly. Who knows, you might actually learn something for once. This is, of course, assuming you're a sincere truth-seeker and not just another Club of Rome/Rockefeller/Wall Street/London globalist.

>>4141 >Nobody pointed out any logical inconsistencies in the modern Russian-Ukrainian abiotic oil theory. If you seriously think anybody did, quote them. where the fuarrrk are the billions of years of erupted oil that would exist if it was erupting fast enough to use? without answering how it gets down there in the first place why do we have to keep digging deeper to find it? >There is no middle ground or other option. Of course there is. The abiotic theory asserts a lot more than "it's not biotic" there's all sorts in those sources you provided about specific mechanisms. Most of what you linked just describes the process via which oil returns from the high pressures deep within the earth and don't contradict the biotic theory at all but there are bits in there about the formation itself. >does not violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics If you think oil has less entropy than biological life I don't know what to tell you. Also it wouldn't matter if it did because the second law of thermodynamics only applies to closed systems. Not to mention energy spreading out from the warm core represents a very large entropy increase. This is the same argument the creationists used to say that evolution is impossible, life is low entropy compared to primordial soup, therefore impossible. You neglect that the sun exists and that the earth is cooling and that any amount of local entropy decrease is fine so long as there's an average increase across the system. Our very existence is in violation of this twisted version of the 2nd law that neglects these conditions. >Makes the other theory correct by default You don't know how science works do you? >theory has never been proven and remains an entirely speculative hypothesis. You really don't know how science works. Neither has gravity. There is nothing in heaven or earth that can prove a theory true. Read Popper. >If oil is theorized to biotic in origin, located in the Earth's crust and a scarce resource, then that theory absolutely cannot account for dry oil wells spontaneously refilling, massive oil reserves miles beneath the Earth's surface, oil generation and migration systems and spontaneous venting of enormous volumes of gas and oil. Sure it can. Nobody is arguing that the biological material doesn't go down towards the mantle before coming back up. The ways in which it comes back up don't seriously differ between the theories. It's a question of how the raw material got there in the first place and what processes form oil. >No, the hydrogen and inorganic carbon alkanes are continually regenerated through the extreme high pressure and extreme high temperature deep underground in the Earth's mantle. High pressures and temperatures cannot spontaneously create hydrogen and carbon. Where does it come from? How does it get back down there after it's been used? So that's 3 questions. If it's erupting fast enough to be the source of all our fuel why are we not drowning in the billions of years worth of eruptions? This is orders of magnitude out. How does carbon and hydrogen get down towards the core if not via biological systems? Why do we have to keep digging if it's welling up fast enough to use?

>>4146 >If it's erupting fast enough to be the source of all our fuel why are we not drowning in the billions of years worth of eruptions? If the Sun's giving off enough energy to power all life on the planet (photosynthesis) then why are we not literally melting into blobs from the Sun's rays? Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! >How does carbon and hydrogen get down towards the core if not via biological systems? Hydrogen and inorganic carbon do not "get down towards the core" from a more shallow layer. Hydrogen and inorganic carbon are already present in the Earth's mantle. They fuse together there to form methane and other hydrocarbons through the extreme high temperature and high pressure conditions present in the mantle. >Why do we have to keep digging if it's welling up fast enough to use? This question makes the (false) assumption that oil fields are running dry (which depends on the assumption that petroleum is a fossil fuel and consequently a scarce resource). Since petroleum is not a fossil fuel (not organic in origin) and actually an inexhaustible (rather than scarce) resource, the reality is that the oil fields are NOT running dry. So no, "we" don't have to keep digging at all. This page has some disinfo but even US national labs are acknowledging abiogenic oil: https://www.llnl.gov/news/hydrocarbons-deep-earth The disinformation is this specific paragraph: " Geologists and geochemists believe that nearly all (more than 99 percent) of the hydrocarbons in commercially produced crude oil and natural gas are formed by the decomposition of the remains of living organisms, which were buried under layers of sediments in the Earth's crust, a region approximately 5-10 miles below the Earth's surface. " >Geologists and geochemists Which geologists and geochemists? >believe >belief >science pick one >nearly all (more than 99 percent) of the hydrocarbons in commercially produced crude oil and natural gas are formed by the decomposition of the remains of living organisms Broofs??? Ebin xD

>>4151 >If the Sun's giving off enough energy to power all life on the planet (photosynthesis) then why are we not literally melting into blobs from the Sun's rays? That's an awfully false comparison. Light doesn't well up. Stuff erupting out of the earth does. Either it stops being made or it keeps coming. If it's abiotic there's no reason to assume it hasn't been happening for a very, very long time. The amount of oil that we see is utterly irreconcilable with the idea that it's erupting fast enough to be a reliable source of energy by many orders of magnitude. What we see on that score is more consistent with the idea that it's coming pretty slow and has been happening for a relatively short time, on geological scales of course. >Hydrogen and inorganic carbon do not "get down towards the core" from a more shallow layer. Then it's not renewable is it? There's not that much hydrogen and carbon down there and the more it belches up the slower it'll start to come. >This question makes the (false) assumption that oil fields are running dry That's not an assumption. It's an observation. I live on the coast near oil rigs. They're shutting them down soon because it's dry. You can't have a conspiracy like that. There are far too many people would need to keep silent for far too long. Are all the engineers on the rigs who read the instruments paid off? What about the scientists measuring this sort of thing? >https://www.llnl.gov/news/hydrocarbons-deep-earth That's about how there's enough pressure down there to turn methane into longer hydrocarbons. Literally nothing else. They didn't actually find this happening or even look for it. Look, >We don't say that higher hydrocarbons actually occur under the realistic 'dirty' Earth mantle conditions, but we say that the pressures and temperatures alone are right for it to happen Thing is methane is a hydrocarbon and it's no surprise to anyone that it will turn into longer hydrocarbons when subject to these conditions. It's been done in the lab ages ago. The idea that some oil, we're talking minor amounts, is abiotic is not surprising, Methane occurs naturally and some will find its way down there. >belief >science >pick one You have absolutely no conception of how science works. It's called empirical falsification. You have theories. You attempt to falsify them via testing. Theories are always just that. It's the same as when Djikstra said "Testing can only show the presence of bugs, never their absence." You never know what you're missing. Your theory that some oil is produced in the core abiotically. I can't falsify that, nobody has tried to since you provided sources. I don't think anyone could. It's not even a surprise. Lots of pressure and temperature some amount of hydrogen and carbon, but the idea that this, or even any other oil production, is happening at a rate where it's sustainable doesn't survive simple thought experiments. Either it's coming fast enough and it's gonna run out (and we should be swimming in it) or it's coming too slow (which is what's clearly actually happening).

I went through some of your sources. There seems to be a small network of websites(most of which are long gone) that reference each other circularly. I was unable to find any evidence, much less proof, that the majority of oil is formed abiogenically. Most of the arguments I could find rested on these facts: 1) There is more oil in the ground than many experts previously thought 2) Abiogenic oil is chemically possible 3) The biogenic oil theory is untested.(it's worth saying that the abiogenic oil theory is equally untested, since both require geologic timescales and volumes not possible in a controlled experiment) None of these are particularly compelling. And this is leaving out the stupid crackpot stuff that defies even basic common sense. If you want to respond with a frog, go ahead. I've made up my mind and I hope I've saved other people the half hour it takes to take a 'fair and balanced' approach.

>>4162 addendum: when I say the abiogenic oil theory is untested, I mean the theory that large volumes of oil are produced abiogenically.

>>4162 >>4163 You Club of Rome globalists have been pushing "peak oil" and "overpopulation" alarmism and fear-mongering since the 1970's. Notice the strategy of globalist paid posters to dismiss all solid evidences that fail to comport with their agenda as "crackpot stuff" while failing to offer any solid refutation of a single documented, peer-reviewed citation. Notice the refusal of globalist paid posters to engage with evidence-based arguments in good faith and instead brazenly and arrogantly assume that they can gatekeep curious observers away from questioning and critical thinking about ideas that they have previously taken at face value without realizing that such frauds are used to support anti-people and pro-elite/pro-globalist agendas which are clearly against their interests. I'm jiggy with it though, tbqh family. I'm going to keep dawdling on. Since I know for a fact that both "overpopulation" and "peak oil" are deliberate frauds perpetrated by the likes of Rockefeller/Club of Rome/Wall Street/London globalists like the paid posters ITT, here's the deal: I will never wear another condom. I will enjoy every single fat, gunky, cummy load. I will have as many children as I can. And I will teach my children to (as the Biblical types say) "go forth and multiply". And I will sit back in my comfy chair, take fat rips off my bong, drop shrooms and peyote and San Pedro cactus, and laugh in the face of the grand assblasted globalist deception, which falls flat on its face upon the most rudimentary critical inspection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtwHctCJaEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_rimw0brc

>>4153 >I live on the coast near oil rigs. They're shutting them down soon because it's dry. You can't have a conspiracy like that. There are far too many people would need to keep silent for far too long. Are all the engineers on the rigs who read the instruments paid off? What about the scientists measuring this sort of thing? You don't need an elaborate conspiracy to explain that at all, actually. Only simple material self-interest. Petroleum companies have a material self-interest in maximizing profits. Therefore, they have a material self-interest in shutting down oil rigs to perpetuate the illusion that "petroleum is a scarce resource" and "oil fields are running dry" (neither of which are true or ever backed up by a single shred of evidence) in order to jack up prices at the pump.

>>4167 >this is bullsoykaf and I'll state why it's bullsoykaf plainly, after having read all your bullsoykaf and evaluating it critically >y-you haven't refuted anything! Globalist wage slave! yeah fuarrrk off.

Daily reminder not to feed the trolls.

>>4172 >being THIS assblasted Every single attempted refutation of the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of abiotic oil ITT has been shot down and riddled with inconsistencies Let me know when you manage to refute 50+ years of research and thousands of peer reviewed papers that corroborate the modern Russian-Ukrainian theory of abiotic, inexhaustible petroleum. Let me know when you manage to find a single shred of evidence confirming the 250+ year old Western biotic oil theory of petroleum as a "fossil fuel formed in the Earth's crust" and "le peak oil is coming :O " (which means it must account for new evidence >>4117) >>4173 Daily reminder to respond to the arguments

It's funny how "oil fields are running dry :O" and gas prices just happen to always rise just before peak travel season. Then "Eureka! New oil field discovery!" and gas prices fall back down right after peak travel season ends. *wink wink*

>>4178 >when you're the only person posting in your bait thread

>>4167 Just wanna chime in... My dad was a geophysicist working for the oil exploration industry during the 70s-90s - worked land and sea over most/all the world (Australia being the only place he has not been)... He always said the oil crisis was not a thing as the industry only seeks about 10-20yrs of oil... they don't seek all the oil, only enough for now... and he said there was absolutely soykaf loads down there... Also reckoned unleaded petrol was pushed as a health thing because one of the most expensive parts was putting in the lead and the old processing plants needed renewing - much cheaper if they don't add lead and churn out a soykaf grade fuel... I dunno - i'm not saying its all true or that we now don't have an oil issue but he was very in the industry at a good level and had said this from day 1 of the running out of oil news - I think maybe when OPEC turned off the taps in the 70s USA and UK soykaf themselves!

>>4197 Thinking again about this... OPEC and the oil crisis of the 70s.... Explains hate with Iran, the Iraq war and all that middle east soykaf going down... its not we (the west) as a planet are running out of oil - its more the west does not have access to all that easy oil! So what about WW1... why? - Berlin Baghdad oil pipe line maybe???- not he assassination of an arch duke. - the following link is worth a watch - its a comedy show with information - so its a fun watch if long. - not a fuarrrking conspiracy video... a good comedy with points. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BQE03D_5k

This thread is fuarrrking embarassing.

>>4198 This one is shorter, more concise and more funny! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIpm_8v80hw&index=4&list=RDn8BQE03D_5k

>>4205 t. globalist You gonna elaborate on that? Or do you get paid 78 cents per post straight up, regardless of how many words or coherent thoughts each post contains? Must be wonderful to disregard inconvenient facts. Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA! Why do globalists insist on ignoring the evidence? Or making tautological arguments out of premises literally pulled out of their ass?

at first I thought this was a joke thread but then applememe did the 3 image thing and didn't tag it with joke. what the hell is wrong with you people?

>>4562 >applememe >3 image thing what is that? an app? a website?

>>4066 >>4068 >>4072 >>4079 >>4080 >>4082 >>4130 "Overpopulation" is not real. "Overpopulation" is a Club of Rome/Rockefeller/Wall Street/London globalist eugenics scam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBS6f-JVvTY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXrN9HhnCcM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUY4ztwIVfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodJ0OOdgRg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QWAXWhtSCQ Depopulation is the agenda of the globalist elite. That's why the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela are the "big, bad, scary bogeymen" in the Western media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2wxfX72T4Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd2IEaHU23M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRJM7DrQjE The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela has the largest petroleum reserves on the planet. The Islamic Republic of Iran has the 4th largest petroleum reserves on the planet. Both of these nations are some of the last few nations left on the planet which are still truly free and independent and have not been taken out by the international capitalist dictatorship of the USA (specifically Wall Street, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Pentagon and its contractors, Exxon Mobil and assorted petroleum corporations, Coca Cola and so forth). The others are Cuba, Syria, Belarus, Zimbabwe and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (north Korea). If USA directly invades or funds terrorists in proxy wars and successfully "takes out" the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (replacing their governments with US puppets as is the case with almost every other country of the 195 countries on the planet except for the previously mentioned few), then Tillerson (Trump's secretary of state and former Exxon CEO) is going to announce that oil is running out (with no evidence and despite the fact that this is not true and petroleum is an inexhaustible resource). The Wall Street capitalist banker US empire is going to turn off the taps, shut off the oil pipeline grid and and cut off the petroleum supply. Once that's done, The Happening begins. Massive blackouts, starvation, death squads. People killing each other for food because the oil supply has been cut off by the Pentagon and its private mercenary proxies so the trucks that usually supply food to supermarkets will quickly run out of fuel. It helps that the Western globalist mass media constantly pushes violent garbage to narcotize the wageplebs through news, movies, TV, video games, social media etc. What a great way to desensitize the wageplebs to the concept of murder for profit. What a great way to get the wageplebs to mass murder each other when the Happening comes, rather than uniting to storm the towers and bunkers and palaces of the globalist capitalist bankers and industrialist scumfucks. Absolute global genocidal soykafshow is on the globalists' agenda. The economic elite (the super rich capitalist industrialist fuarrrks who basically run the world) are trying to drop the world population from almost 8,000,000,000 to only 500,000,000. They're trying to mass murder over 7 and a half BILLION people. Why? Simple. As a globalist, it's much easier to exercise absolute control and establish and maintain a total, global fascist police state when you have much less wageplebs to worry about keeping in line with your drones and high-tech computerized militaries. It's easier to be the despot of a small village than the mafia/political boss of a big city. With automation, production can proceed as per usual anyway. And the destruction of even the last vestiges of minimum wage, economic security, basic welfare, social programs and public infrastructure for all wageplebs anywhere on the planet in this global police state plan is much more than sufficient to account for the potential economic profit bonanza that the globalists hunger for. "A lot of people on the left still don’t get it - that these guys are playing for keeps, that they are going after you, that they are not going to leave any little bit for you." "There’s only one thing that the ruling circles throughout history have ever wanted - all the wealth, the treasures, and the profitable returns; all the choice lands and forests and game and herds and harvests and mineral deposits and precious metals of the earth; all the productive facilities and gainful inventiveness and technologies; all the control positions of the state and other major institutions; all public supports and subsidies, privileges and immunities; all the protections of the law and none of its constraints; all of the services and comforts and luxuries and advantages of civil society with none of the taxes and none of the costs." "Every ruling class in history has wanted only this - all the rewards and none of the burdens." Michael Parenti So there's 3 basic actions which the rest of us (the almost 8 billion people on this planet who aren't globalist elites) can take to prevent this globalist scheme 1) Expose the globalists' evil agenda. 2) Organize with others to make it easier to do the work to prevent this evil plan. and Well, the globalist elite want to depopulate the world so... 3) Keep f u c k ing. Keep making babies like pic related. Raise children. "Be fruitful and multiply" as the Biblical types say. Step 3 is my favorite step.

>>4708 (cont.) Georgia Guidestones. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nobody-knows-how-to-interpret-this-doomsday-stonehenge-in-georgia-5592082/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones#Inscriptions

>>4197 So is the global warming caused by all the additives and chemical compounds that are added to petroleum by petroleum companies, and not the petroleum itself? Because there's petroleum reservoirs in the ocean that have been gushing out for millions of years and underground coal fires that have been burning for many thousands of years no?

>>4708 >>4709 (cont.) This is how the Georgia Guidestones play into the globalist agenda. The globalist banker/capitalist elite love to leave clues behind, and reveal their plans with "plausible deniability". Think of it like how serial killers often leave clues for investigators on purpose. The reason is to make it "fun" for them. They think of it as a game. And it is (for them). The world is their chessboard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard And they have their pawns and rooks and knights (police and military and private security contractors all work for the money-men).