Sanity and perspective

So I just wanna put things in perspective... The question for Lains is: What is the World coming to? In the uk since 9/11 and the fear of terror gripped the, we have had between the years 2000 and 2015, 90 people have been killed in the UK in terrorist attacks, according to figures from the Global Terrorism Database. This compares to 1,094 deaths in the 15-year period before that, between 1985 and 1999, and a further 2,211 between 1970 and 1984. (think IRA mostly - but not all) And with reasons relating to stopping terror we have lost a whole bunch of freedoms since several pieces of terrorism legislation such as the Terrorism Act 2000, the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001, the Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005, the Terrorism Act 2006, the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 and the Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015. This does not include several secondary laws such as the Immigration Act 2014 and the Criminal Justice Act 2003 – all of which have provisions dealing with terrorism. Detention without Charge Unlawful Imprisonment Secret Courts Right to Protest Martial Law & Emergency Powers Human rights are gonna go too if Kim Jong-May gets her way. We also have now the worlds most invasive and powerful surveillance state. - which will be getting even more hardcore soon, as Kim Jong-May has been strutting her stuff recently demanding there be no place to hide on the net... and the banning of encryption is back on the cards!!! (like 1 time book codes can be stopped by banning anything - except books.... coming soon to a democracy near you?) Lives lost (by service personal on foreign soil) ridding the uk of terror 622 (just Afghan + Iraq wars). Cost of wars abroad to the UK since 9/11 (defeating terror) £29Billion. All this deals with the loss of ~90 lives on uk soil! Yet at the same time - we have just lost >75 people to a single fire - totally preventable by installation of a £250,000 sprinkler system.... This system was deemed unnecessary cost - after just spending 10million making the block look nice (because its in an expensive area of London) Let me also point out the first reports said 17 lives lost... bullsoykaf... then 30 then 50 then 75 - we all know this will be >100 and they drip feed the number up to make it seem less shocking (and hence keep the masses calmer). So my point is a measly £250,000 would have saved more life than everything else posted above... This is all so wrong... what can be done? Where should I move to Lains? or are we all fukkked?

tl;dr: we are all fuarrrked. I also believe we are all fuarrrked by design. Almost everything bad happening in the world, from degeneracy to terror is driving consumerism. People who are happy and content don't overconsume. Stagnating or declining population drives wages up. So they need to engineer the difficult task of inciting chaos while also increasing population (normally fertility decreases in times of chaos). They are ruining the life of millions probably with irreversible results just for a few million $$$ more in their pockets. The cyberpunk is NOW

you're right lainon, but what can we do? Voting is pointless Armored struggle didn't work in the 70s, and now it's more difficult than ever thanks to mass surveillance I began to lose faith in activism too, even if i still go to demonstrations and stuff mankind is fuarrrked let's continue to fight anyway, but i'm less and less confident that we can accomplish something...

>>3518 >but what can we do? Muscle will fail... they have that sorted... The only thing I can possibly think of is a virus that spreads aggressively and just formats/corrupt every drive it can get to - needs to be the kind that waits for a date so it has time to infect without being detected and then just one day kills all the data in the world - well lots of it! Thats the only thing I can think that would help throw the power back to the people? Ok there will be unwanted consequences - like hospitals being made useless etc. but maybe thats just collateral damage... Beyond that a campaign to stop kids thinking army is cool, and to stop parents thinking thats a good career path for their kids?

>>3519 >unwanted consequences And the loss of my prime porn collection - but I'm willing to forgo that if it meant freedom for the people. Maybe I'll burn that soykaf to DVD just in-case eh..

Really the only thing you can do is drop out of society. Don't pay taxes, don't be registered to any given address, live off the grid. This is harder in the UK than other places with extensive wilderness but you can do it if you try hard. You gots to look out for you and yours; help other people but don't hold out for a revolution.

>>3523 How to earn money being off the the grid? If the employers has to wire you mone you also need a bank account. No way to not pay taxes.

>>3524 Good point... and almost forgot... Crypto currency could possibly be the thing that can bring back the power... But i'm sure as soon as they see that habberning it will become outlawed! Still maybe humanities last hope is crypto currencies!

>>3527 "Sir, I only accept gold nuggets as payment!" I wish I could become a good enough programmer to demand such difficult form of transaction.

>>3528 I'de pay you in gold my good man - if only gold could be sent securely and privately to anyone anywhere on the planet, with no cost and instantly... it might just become popular again if it could do that! Crypto coin changes a lot of things... access to crypt is only a minor temporary issue... next yr 5000 bitcoin/crypto machines will be installed in Europe alone. And thats just the tip of the ice-burg... Fiat is Titanic!

At least we can look forward to fighting in the trenches

>>3845 fuarrrk off nazi scum

>>3848 cool pic, we need to fight memes with memes

>>3848 >tribalism is natural human instinct >ethnocentric nationalism is tribal in its true nature >every country on world likes their own to "other" >somehow national socialism is bad I never understood you multiculturalism and anarcho socialism pushers

>>3857 >>tribalism is natural human instinct assumption... But if so then why can't the world be a tribe? What defines the "natural" size of a tribe? I'm sure as hell it is not walls and flags! Unless this has nothing to do with natural order and more fuarrrk em, they not me! Then fuarrrk you too sir!

>>3860 Just jumping in here not that guy. Read Sapiens. It has a lot of interesting thoughts on this.

>>3857 >tribalism is natural human instinct Calculators (and even pen&paper) are not, but they're still helpful to do maths, and you accomplish better results with them than simply calculating stuff in your head. Same with tribalism and socialism. Natural doesn't necessarily mean better, rationality is useful sometimes you know?

>>3860 >assumption Infering from evolutionary path we shared with other primates >But if so then why can't the world be a tribe? Differences. Tribes formed to protect people from the outside, the other. That is why divisivness is most palpable amongst political lines, cultural divides, ideologies or even soccer/football matches. The fairy tale of everyone holding each other hands under the rainbow is pretty nice one to sell to kids, but even >>3848 said "fuarrrk off nazi scum" with no coherent reasoning or argument. >What defines the "natural" size of a tribe? As long the overall majority of tribe goes in the same direction of alpha leader of the tribe then that tribe has form and function. Anything bigger and tribe is formless. And I guess no "tribe" can be formed with only 2 people. >I'm sure as hell it is not walls and flags! Walls are there to stop other tribes from invading. Most notable is the Great Wall of China. Flags are symbolic. I guess you know what symbols are, right? No need to explain that one. >Unless this has nothing to do with natural order and more fuarrrk em, they not me! >Then fuarrrk you too sir! I didn't understand this last end but I guess it sounded cool and rebellious. Like a 15 year old emo or something. Btw I bet that your little socialist anarchistic circles have a hierarchy and an alpha that controls the narrative, no? Or do you abide by the "talking dildo" rule? >>3862 It's hard to go against human nature. To shift it's trajectory a little bit or supplement it, sure, but to completely change it? Or make a system hoping everyone will abide by the rules and keep their promises? Calculators, pen and paper supplement things we already do in the head. Every invention or art is derivative of something that came before it. If you think you can go against human vertebrate brain go for it. I applaud your brazen foolishness.

>>3853 But how can the pic be cool if Antifa isn't? >>3863 This sums up most of what I would have said.

>>3864 Not only that, people have to understand that humanity was never meant to live in such large communities like we do now. Smaller tribes/settlements of similar people allowed for people to have more of a sense of kinship.

Posting a troll doesn't prove your point. Polite sage

>>3848 Because the world works so well right now without nationalism, right? The fact of the matter is that globalism was identified as a threat years ago and its effects were predicted in many a cyberpunk novel. When you have globalism that means all the major powers are working together towards a goal. In theory this is great! Humanity united under one flag. In practice this just means that there is nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

this world isn't going to be any better. We're fuarrrked up. for real. Its irreversible. Its Inevitable. its like Death but better

You're all idiots.

>>3518 >>3519 Lead by example! In terms of economy everyone is just a person formulating capital. See where your money goes, then go out of your way to exchange currency only businesses or people you trust. Live frugally, and with your savings share and be kind.

>>3883 agree.

>>3879 A more simple question: towards what goal should man strive? I think survival is the real answer, but unfortunately a majority of this planet things a god of some sort will solve that for us

>>3879 You realize the far-left has been against globalization way before neo-nazi scum like you caught on? Nationalist or globalist capitalism, it's the same soykaf, only the facade is different.

>>3892 If that were the case, then the USSR would have been content with Russia alone, FDR wouldn't have pushed us into WW2, and the French Revolution wouldn't have been so intent on creating a constitution built for all people rather than the French people.

>>3883 And you just think you are smart because you read niche books/blogs with fruity language https://youtu.be/ZJmEMeY6KVs

>>3892 >calls people scum >wants to unite people all across different continents, cultures and ideologies under one goal and idea Your momma didn't teach you manners I assume Or even just logic If you want people to side with you, win them over. Don't insult them. If your arguments and goals held any merit then you would easily bite the bullet and be like those Jehovah witnesses boys or whatever so people could ignore you more easily.

>>3904 Addendum The simple fact that you overgrown basement revolutionary children act this snotty and bratty means that you have no real intentions to get to your goal post of actual anarchosoc but that you are using your ideology as an emotional crutch in your own personal lives.

>>3892 >Neo-Nazi Opinion discarded, you don't know what nationalism is. Think about something for a moment; why does every power currently push for the destabilization of values deeply imbued in western society? Why do you associate the mere act of loving your country with the deaths of millions? Do you actually know what nationalist socialism is? Our current form of "stability" is a facade. Never has western culture been so divided and unstable than after the forming of the far left and its globalist ideals. Please explain to me how nationalism benefits the concept of globalism.

>>3902 I suppose I should have elaborated. The expression of nationalistic sentiments ITT is no more foolish than the knee-jerk reaction from the opponents of such a worldview. Both are built on a foundation of value judgments laid by a society, and informed by a reaction to other qualities of that society and others. Nationalism is a form of dedication to a group of people arbitrarily connected to you birth or upbringing, people to whom you bear no true duty. For what is duty other than a claim other people lay to your property? Your time is yours to use as you see fit -- as is all else around you. The video you linked makes a very good point. When phrased in terms people can understand, nearly anything can be made to seem reasonable. Through such use of subtle and clever rhetoric, numerous flimsy hypocrisies of the left can be laid bare without them even knowing. However, nationalism is likewise a worthless pursuit to you as an individual. What difference does it make you that the world around you is falling into chaos? Why do you care about others? It is because you have been taught to. Nothing short of faith in the divine can provide a sound justification for being beholden to anyone other than yourself, and that is something that this entire thread has failed to acknowledge. >>3845 cites the big P as a beacon of truth in the midst of lies. If you would support this, tell me this -- what value has truth to you? In the words of Pontius Pilate, "What is truth?" Whatever value you give to justify your dedication to truth, why do you hold that value? Give yourself a real reason, one derived from your own self-interest, not from the interests which you have been taught by society and culture to care about.

>>3897 What does FDR stands for? French revolution is by no mean far-left, literally it was the bourgeoise revolution. I don't put USSR in the farleft, anyway Soviet Russia was imperialistic, it had nothing to do with globalization as the concept of globalization has born with the modern economic sistem, the capitalistic one. >>3904 You don't know what globalization stands for, that's funny given your arrogance. >>3923 You just wrote a bunch of soykafs dude, we all know what is national socialism and we all know the European population has a cultural heritage of slaining each other.

>>3930 "Thruth is whatever continues to exist when you stop believing in that" I have nothing more to say becouse you throw soykaf to everyone in a rethoric and disgusting way.

>>3931 >What does FDR stands for? Looks like you're too retarded to use context clues. What other president do you think got us into WW2 other than Franklin D. Roosevelt? >bourgeoise revolution >USSR not being far-left Claims made without evidence can be rejected without evidence. Also, >he genuinely thinks imperialism isn't a form of globalism and is compatible with nationalism Globalism doesn't stop being globalism just because more blatant force is involved, it's still an attempt to force people not connected by shared culture and ancestry under one set of rules. The Roman Empire died because it continued to insist on being an empire rather than a nation.

>>3930 >Both are built on a foundation of value judgments laid by a society hahah, good one. My value judgments are internally created. That's why there are many people with certain ideologies, because they orient themselves towards those ideologies. >arbitrarily connected to you birth or upbringing Well, not arbitrarily. I wouldn't have existed if my "tribe" failed the future me by not protecting themselves and their tribe. My love towards them is love for my existence and a "thank you" for doing such a good job. >to whom you bear no true duty Honor is far stronger emotion than self importance or greed. >When phrased in terms people can understand, nearly anything can be made to seem reasonable. The point of video is that you users would gobble up anything that sounds a bit pseudo intellectual for the fact that you think of yourself too highly. >nationalism is likewise a worthless pursuit to you as an individual Not really, in group preference has helped me AND my tribesman. >What difference does it make you that the world around you is falling into chaos? Because I am part of that world? Because then I would be inflicted? You think I live in a bubble, not connected to outside world? >Why do you care about others? Because that is part of social agreement of life. You have a good relationship with a neighbor on your vacation house so he can call the cops if he notices a burglar. You have a good relationship with cops so they help you and you help them in need. Your line of thinking might as well be a result of isolated mass populated style of living in a big city where everything and EVERYONE feels automated NPCs. You should really question the way you treat others. >It is because you have been taught to. Not really.... Nobody said to me "be nice to your neighbors" or "be nice to cops" really. Sure, some people might have but I understood MUCH LATER that having a good relationship with other people is like social lubricant. It makes things much smoother, effective and faster. >a lot of lines ignored for sake of relevance >you have been taught by society and culture to care about How do you know what I have been taught and what I haven't been taught? Are you teaching me right now to ignore all things I was taught? Is that part of "taught by society" part?

>>3931 >You don't know what globalization stands for if you say so

>>3930 If truth and reasoning are spooks, then there's no reason to consider your post as more truthful and well-reasoned than his to begin with. And if you'd like to go back on what you said and try to say they really do exist in some capacity, it just makes his post more correct to begin with. This is what happens when you base your ideology off of someone who considered fidelity a spook and let his wife sleep with all the strangers she wanted to.

tired of discussing with alt-righters, i only want to say that i'm here and i think they are spooked as fuarrrk too. Brave lainons who still fight them, remember that you're not alone, and that feeding them is not always a good idea. They are louder, but not superior in number

>>3950 >needs to have big numbers to win Untermensch, diamonds are created under great pressure. Also Spooks are spooks

>>3930 Exactly! So worthless are the opinions of others that I shall take your advice and wholly ignore all you say as it is but another spook. Whilst your ideas are not wholly without merit there is little reason for you to spread them as your ideology is lacking in any substance. All you are arguing is that no one should care for anything and as such I have no reason to follow them as I do, in fact, have empathy for others and care for things aside from myself. >>3931 You, my friend, please explan your ideology and how communism does not benefit the global elite? You've made no argument only staged the ignorance of others whilst failing to bring anything forth. Explain your views, explain what you consider nationalism to be, explain why you dislike it. You are being less sensible than the Stirner-poster. >>3950 >Everything I disagree with is Alt-Right It's funny you say that considering I'm a Nationalist Semi-socialist Libertarian with an anti-corporate slant.

>>3953 >Nationalist Semi-socialist Libertarian with an anti-corporate slant Keep stacking the adjectives, you've almost reached peak incoherence!

>>3954 Are you going to make an argument?

>>3962 Um... there's a lot less "communists" here than alt-retards, libertarians or anarchists. Communists aren't the ones drowning out debate, it's more that alt-retards brand everyone who doesn't like them "communists". Some of us are just people who want our website back. >>3963 You just got destroyed so you call your opponent autistic because that's the best you can do, which makes you look even stupider. Keep going, I have nothing to do for the next little while.

>>3942 >Looks like you'r too retarded... ...to understand that a non-American cares nothing about the abbreviation of an American president. >bourgeoise revolution Yes, the third state was populated by rich merchants, lawers and so on. >Claims without evidence Far-left is usually associated with rejection of an authoritarian government, and URSS born when Lenin was dieing in 1922 <1> >>he genuinely thinks imperialism isn't a form of globalism read (>>3947) >>3947 Globalism is a group of ideologies that advocate the concept of globalization. <2> Globalization is >the increase of trade around the world, especially by large companies producing and trading goods in many different countries. or >a situation in which available goods and services, or social and cultural influences, gradually become similar in all parts of the world (pic1)<3> >>3953 How should "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" benefit the elite? I usually refer to the 1.1 definition of "nationalism" in (pic2) <4> <1>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Soviet_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union_(1917%E2%80%9327) <2>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism <3>dictionary.cambridge.org/it/dizionario/inglese/globalization <4>en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nationalism

>>3960 >>3963 And now you can please go kill yourself and live-stream it for the whole world? (Not the guy who you were replying to)

>>3964 >I got destroyed Saying that quotations are used for quoting is pathetic "win" Its on par of women nagging >>3967 No

>>3966 Good job on copy pasting the dictionary If you took 2 seconds to read it ... >or social and cultural influences, gradually become similar in all parts of the world This is what we are against

>>3969 But pleaseeeeee think of all the lainanons that would be happy to hear that you are no longer a threat for the humankind, you may get yourself internated if you don't want to die. >>3970 If you only cared as much to read the posts as much as you cared to insult me, you probably would have not written that

>>3964 >it's more that alt-retards brand everyone who doesn't like them "communists" You say that while branding everyone who disagrees with you to be alt-kike. >>3966 >a situation in which available goods and services, or social and cultural influences, gradually become similar in all parts of the world >or social and cultural influences gradually become similar in all parts of the world So we're right after all? >>3971 This is some next-level butthurt.

>>3969 God you people are thick. Destroyed as in lost the entire argument. I can't help but notice, you guys never care whether you convince anyone or even make sense. As long as someone pays attention to these imaginary issues you keep bringing up, even to successfully rip them apart, it's still a victory because a whole forum full of people noticed it. You're too stupid to even realize when you've already lost, whether it was a dozen or 100 posts ago. Good day sir.

>>3972 > You say that while branding everyone who disagrees with you to be alt-kike. That doesn't even make sense. Why would someone debating alt-righters call anyone kike? Trolling is an artform and you're still using crayons.

>>3973 >Good day sir. I wonder how long before leftist lainons start arguing reddit was always here.

>>3974 What that Lainon meant is that he personally detests the alt-right as do many true nationalists. The alt-right is a meme. >>3973 Aha, yes! We have lost to the beautiful arguments made by you who have no cohesive idea of what you are defending, what you are against, or even what you consider to be moral. Open your eyes, Lainon. Old concepts of nation with modern ideas of freedom and privacy is the counter culture to what is destroying society and the Internet. >>3966 Communism benefits the elite by destroying the middle class, creating an untouchable political elite caste, handing all production and freedom to the government, removing the ability for one to improve their standing, removing the ability for one to provide for themselves thus causing starvation, and melding culture and genes together into a homogenous cesspit. As beautiful as communism sounds on paper (I was once active in my local communist community!) it is a political system of smoke and mirrors. Communism is plain and simply designed in such a way that it does not function without giving privilege to a new bourgeois. A thin layer of socialism on top of a socially and lawfully libertarian country that keeps its borders and laws focused on its people would have many of the benefits of Communism without the hellish aspects.

>>3979 >creating an untouchable political elite caste, handing all production and freedom to the government, removing the ability for one to improve their standing, removing the ability for one to provide for themselves thus causing starvation, and melding culture and genes together into a homogenous cesspit. What the fuarrrk AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>3974 >Why would someone debating alt-righters call anyone kike? Because "alt-right" is simply a made-up term that places people like Richard Spencer, a Holodomor-denying civic "nationalist" Zionism supporter, under the same umbrella as people like me and >>3979 . "Alternative right" was first used by Paul Gottfried (a jew, in fact), and then "alt-right" was coined by Richard Spencer himself. There's no trolling involved here, you're just foolish enough to believe that term actually means neo-nazi or something similar.

>>3981 >Zionism supporter >not a nazi Even in Israel they acknowledged to have much similarities,with the third Reich.

>>3973 >Destroyed as in lost the entire argument. And I say that no counter argument was presented other than "quotes are used for quoting" and "fuarrrk off". >you guys never care whether you convince anyone or even make sense I never care to convince you, but sure others get convinced. >As long as someone pays attention to these imaginary issues you keep bringing up So, Kenya has bigger birth rate than Germany. If you constantly keep bringing people from Kenya to Germany to "save them" then at some point Germany will be more of Kenya colony than Germany, right? Multiculturalism is codeword for less white culture. Diversity is codeword for less white people. Anti racism is codeword for anti white because only white people can be racist. >>3971 >If you only cared as much to read the posts as much as you cared to insult me Globalization as a word has been used in the past to describe emergence of new markets, that's for sure. Now it's used to describe creation of one multicultural Babylonial global world, with no distinctive differences. You were first to try and insult me with your "oh you don't know the definition" bullsoykaf and copypasting the dictionary. If you don't want to argue the points I am making but just make trivial emotional posts then so be it.

>>3980 >What the fuarrrk AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Is that a counter argument or just emotional knee jerk reaction to something you can't comprehend?

>>3996 I support a Jewish home in Madagascar, not a continually expanding "nationalism for me but not for thee" pirate base like Israel.

>>3996 You can be a zionist and not support the Israeli government. I'd consider myself one; I support the right for the Jewish people to have their own state and be self determined. I don't support the Israeli governments treatment of Palestinians, but then they do have to deal with groups like Hamas and the fact that all the surrounding countries want to wipe them out, so it is understandable.

>>3980 You just write a bunch of soykaf without even a biased source, why should I answer rationally to such a blatant example of mental illnes >>4002 >>4004 You two guys actually made be think about it and I see your reasons, it actually seems reasonable to be a zionist if that's what it means >>3998 >Now it's used to describe creation of one multicultural Babylonial global world, with no distinctive differences You are basically admitting you don't care what the dictionary says or you didn't even read it. >Multiculturalism is codeword for less white culture. So much claims without a source

>>4006 >You are basically admitting you don't care what the dictionary says or you didn't even read it. And you are basically ignoring the defition of the word and how I quoted the defintion back at you because you didn't read it I will copy paste it once more for you: >or social and cultural influences, gradually become similar in all parts of the world Not to mention that words change with change of context. >So much claims without a source Well, let's go down the logical path of looking how word "multiculturalism" is used, where it is used and what impact it had on white culture. Firstly, it's used to promote different ethnic groups and cultures in one area, specifically only white countries (Europe and America). Second, it's touted as "strength" even though all studies show that homogeneous ideology and group structure is strongest formation that has no in group fighting. Third, since this new wave of multiculturalism and pushing for "ethnic foods" and different cultures, there has been less and less emphasis on white culture that existed and was built upon Europeans. From music to the way roads are built today, the powers in charge ignore white culture, ignore what Europeans have created through hundreds of years and just look at other cultures in awe and amazement as if they are wonderful because they are different.

>>4006 >You two guys actually made be think about it and I see your reasons, it actually seems reasonable to be a zionist if that's what it means The problem with "zionism" is that it started out and still is pushing out a group of people who had lived in that area for centuries. It isn't as simple as the kind of nationalism where you just establish an area to live in with specific borders and actually stick to taking care of your own kind, especially given how long the "Greater Israel" concept has existed and how steadily non-jews are becoming a part of Israel's population out of a continued greed for additional land. http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

>>4009 >Now it's used to describe creation of one multicultural Babylonial global world, with no distinctive differences I will copy paste it once more for you: >or social and cultural influences, gradually become similar in all parts of the world. Not the same thing, not even similar, have you really read it? >Well, let's go down the logical path... Dude, you aren't gonna fool us like this, you went to the rethoric path trying to mask your claims as logical but without citing a source to your premises, are you the only enlightened person in the world? Firstly, it's used to promote different ethnic groups and cultures in one area, specifically only white countries (Europe and America). >specifically only white countries (Europe and America). What do you mean by white? There are a lot different whites in Europe and a lot more cultures than you can number, Europe is not a nation-state and European often dislike each other. What do you mean by America? Do you thing the USA is the only state in the continent? Are you saying south-Americans are white? Did you mean that the USA is a white country, the nation born from the "melting-pot"? And yet the nigger and Asian and so on populations are very vast in the USA. >Second, it's touted as "strength" even though all studies show that homogeneous ideology and group structure is strongest formation that has no in group fighting. >all studies What studies? You cited none. >Third, since this new wave of multiculturalism and pushing for "ethnic foods" and different cultures, there has been less and less emphasis on white culture that existed and was built upon Europeans. What "white culture"? There is no such thing as "white culture". >From music to the way roads are built today Source? > the powers in charge ignore white culture, ignore what Europeans have created through hundreds of years Yes, obviously the white, dominating class that has the power ignores the white, dominating class. Nonsense. >and just look at other cultures in awe and amazement as if they are wonderful because they are different. Source? Btw obviously every culture is wonderful, as well as I deserve the right to dislike some.

>>4004 b-b-but the russian jewish oblast Nah, I totally agree, the Israeli govt has it's fingers in a lot of pies but I kinda blame them for wanting that particular tract of land. Would be nice if the UK and that wasn't so fuarrrking eager for it after WWII

>>4026 >"What studies? You cited none." Have a Harvard study: http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/ >"Yes, obviously the white, dominating class that has the power ignores the white, dominating class. Nonsense." Are you counting jews as white? http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767 http://forward.com/culture/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/ Not to mention pic related. Also, >bitching this hard about sources when you and all the other leftists in this thread have yet to link to any sources for their beliefs outside of dictionary sites and fuarrrking wikipedia

>>4009 America is not and has never been a "white country".

>>4028 >Would be nice if the UK and that wasn't so fuarrrking eager for it after WWII http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html Hopefully Churchill's rotting in hell.

>>4030 http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Naturalization_Act_of_1790/ >Alternately known as the Nationality Act, the Naturalization Act of 1790 restricted citizenship to "any alien, being a free white person" who had been in the U.S. for two years. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/preamble >We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. >our posterity

>>4032 But you just said "America" not THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (fvck yeah). Not the same thing.

>>4033 I wasn't him to begin with, and you should stop pretending to be too retarded to understand context in the meantime.

>>4032 So?

>>4035 Wow you yanks get really upset about this topic, don't you.

>>4036

>>4026 >gradually become similar in all parts of the world >one multicultural Babylonial global world >not the same thing You are either willfully blind or braindead Western style multiculturalism where all cultures live side by side is now a normal occurance in big cities of Europe and US.

>>4039 For that matter, it's been that way for a century or more in our major cities in Canada and USA. No system is perfect but we've been living like this already for quite a while and this creeping threat of the multi-cult is just a boogeyman.

>>4036 >"America was never a white country!" >present proof showing early USA intended to limit citizenship to free white citizens and the posterity (descendants) of the white citizens who established it >"s-so?"

>>4042 The true answer here seems to be that multiculturalism simply fails to exist under most conditions. You're acting as if those U.S. cities were "multicultural" in spite of immigrants forming their own specific communities tailored to themselves, apart from standard citizens. That's not "multicultural", it's a division of culture that allowed those communities to pass down their culture in their own specific areas, and in other cases where they moved into non-immigrant neighborhoods, certain immigrant groups eventually assimilated into American culture. As for Canada, how do you call something multicultural if there is no culture? No seriously, what even comes to mind in people's heads when "Canadian culture" is uttered? What kinds of things even unite Canadians as a people? Do you even know? If you're Canadian, what do you feel pride in as a Canadian? As for multiculturalism being a "boogeyman": http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/657520/Europe-no-go-900-EU-areas-police-lost-control With what's going on, there is no multiculturalism because of the "refugees" flooding Europe not just despising multiculturalism, but even the existence of other cultures to begin with.

>>4045 I'm going to try and respond using as few large words as possible, just for you. That IS what Canadian culture is, a sort of mosaic where each region is different and in the cities, each neighbourhood. There was never a "melting pot" here like the US tradition because most of the country is so sparsely inhabited anyway. No, there are no unifying features of being Canadian. You have inadvertently proven my point. Thanks, I'm done for the day.

>>4046 "Canada not having a culture is Canada's culture so you just proved my point about Canada having any sort of culture by pointing out that it has no culture"

>>4044 >race >nations >citizenship

>>4048 >meme philosophies Can't get out of this one by saying memes are a spook, now can you, 4/lit/?

>>4047 >saying canada has many regional cultures, instead of one unifying culture, is the same as claiming that canada has zero culture > the regional cultures of canada mean that canada has a culture, and that this culture is unifieding and is more influential that its regional cultures

>>4054 2 out of 3 of the those are socially constructed

>>4056 The idea of social construction is socially constructed

>>4062 wow such insight, i am truly blown the fuarrrk out.

>>4062 Do you think that somehow undermines what the other person said? Or are you just brewing soykaf now?

>>4044 Despite your egocentrism America is bigger than USA, and if you wanna say that excluding slave niggers from citizenship is something a culture should be proud of.... Btw there has been a war about slavery and niggers, guess who won?>>4045 >"refugees" flooding Europe Neurosuggesting the vast majority of refugees doesn't come from war-zones >despising multiculturalism Here in Italy it doesn't happen

>>4120 >here in Italy it doesn't happen What, the immigrants despising other cultures part or the multiculturalism to begin with? What kind of white gated neighborhood do you live in to think that things are going just fine with Italy?

>>4127 I live in Rome, we actually are civil people, we don't kill each other based on race, we don't kill each other based on sexual preferences. We sometimes fight and kill each other for political reasons and niggers get punched 5 vs 1 regularly by uneducated people, I don't worry about it because I am white

>>4127 I live in Rome too, i can confirm. Sure suburbs tend to be more degradated than city center and rich districts, and n1ggers usually live in suburbs cause they have no money to afford the latter, but this is due to poverty, not "n1ggerness". In fact, there are suburbs where the population is made almost only by (poor) italians, and they are as degradated as the full-of-immigrants ones. >>4128 Però dire che ci si ammazza per motivi politici è un inesattezza, gli anni di piombo sono finiti da parecchio, e comunque all'epoca la questione migratoria ancora non c'era, anche se in ogni caso sono d'accordo che l'americano medio è ancora una bestia fascista rispetto all'italiano medio (che comunque non scherza).

>>4132 Cazzo incontriamoci. Beh, si è vero che siamo civili ma ogni tanto qualcuno se spara ancora. Se non per motivi politici per mafia mascherata da politica

>>4063 >>4064 Well, he implied that anything socially constructed doesn't have any value so I simply said "spook is a spook in of itself" so yea, it undermines what he said.

>>4120 >>4127 >>4128 >>4132 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsaituMNS3E ^ look at video So, you basically allow NGOs to have money deals with people smugglers? People smugglers ride the boats to Libyan shore where they give a distress signal (HELP WE ARE DROWNING ;;__;;) for private organizations that want to make money from flooding EU with Africans who payed a thousand euro ... and you call them refugees? You are at peace with that? You are okay with NGOs and africans fuarrrking your system over? Get fuarrrking angry at those blacks that abuse the system Get fuarrrking angry at NGOs that make money from soykafting up your country

>>4134 scrivimi, ho riempito l'email field. Magari presto che fra qualche giorno parto e sto 6 mesi fuori!

>>4137 Don't forget about getting fuarrrking pissed at the traitorous mafia that helped bring them in to begin with and only started going against them once it finally started causing problems for themselves. Things are really interesting now with the situation involving Austria bringing fuarrrking tanks over to Italy to help stop migrant traffic into the country, I hope Italy turns out fine.

>>4139 Allora un cavolo, sto in Calabria, ti avevo già scritto, ma non credo di aver ricevuto tua risposta >>4137 I actually know NGOs make money of it, and the Italian government is now beginning to stop them. Although, the vast majority of niggers that come here are really escaping to war and hunger, hundreds of niggers die in the sea hoping for someone to come, often they just drown, so theyr situations are really bad.

>>4142 Mafia is not against them, actually niggers make good slaves and prostitutes

>>4143 veramente se sei il tipo che mi ha scritto "let's all love lain come va" allora ti ho mandato ben due mail di risposta già da qualche tempo, magari stanno in antispam

>>4144 You sure? Maybe it's a mixed bag among them at least. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/663657/Mafia-bosses-declare-war-man-shot-as-immigration-levels-in-Sicily-rise http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3546081/Mafia-declares-WAR-migrants-Sicilian-gangster-shoots-innocent-Gambian-head-amid-soaring-levels-migration-Italy-mayor-saying-Sicily-s-capital-no-longer-European.html

>>4147 You can see killed people because Mafia wants to be a monopoly in this business

>>4143 >hundreds of niggers die in the sea hoping for someone to come, often they just drown, so theyr situations are really bad. That is a lie Most of the "saved refugees" are smuggled people that didn't even spend a day on sea And even when a situation like that occurs then it's just couple of dozen if not a hundred people drowned. If they want a better life they can create it in their own countries by making them better. My fuarrrking forefathers fought for this country. My father was in civil war for Croatia. He didn't serve to protect a country that is going to be overrun by niggers. He protected this country for me and my family. He protected his community and his friends. He put his life on the line to save the country. "They're from war torn areas"? fuarrrk THEM. Croatia had no ways of protecting itself from Serbia. All Croatians had was few hunting rifles. Poor them? From hard times good men arise.

>>4150 > My fuarrrking forefathers fought for this country. ...and you fight on an imageboard.

>>4150 Can you create a physical document of proof, like a letter, or video, with your father's signature, verifying he fought for his country but not for niggers?

>>4155 He must say "I fought for Croatia in the civil war. I wouldn't have served if I knew Croatia would be full of niggers."

>>4154 >>4155 >>4156 I hope you die out, you dysgenic pieces of soykaf

>>4157 You either replied to at least one of those by mistake or you have the reading comprehension of a cocker spaniel.

>>3504 >what can be done fight this soykaf. Choose your battles though. Arguing with braindead racists on the internet does absolutely nothing. Just look at this thread. It all comes down to propaganda. Regimes live and die on legitimacy. Until they lose it worthwhile resistance is impossible, and if they lose it their fall is inevitable. They know this, even if they don't know they know it, and they are quite good at propaganda, but they're slipping(as regimes inevitably do). Memes are another word for propaganda. If you've been online for a long enough time, you probably know how propaganda wars are fought, even if you don't know you know it. Generate and share propaganda. Action is another word for propaganda. Get a feel for how the news cycle works, know how to make your action be seen. Pick what you do and how you do it to benefit your cause, not just in terms of direct consequences but in propaganda ripples. Don't give up your principles, but don't be afraid to be underhanded. Be smart. Join your comrades. Don't give up.

>>4158 all those replies belittled my side of story, my argument for trying to create world with more diversity and multiple of cultures, not just mashing them all together in one place (particularly place with white people) they are all dysgenic idiots who I hope get their lineages cut off at some point

>>4160 Really, you aren't paying attention.

>>4159 Gonna try it >>4160 I am white master-race, if my lineage dies you lose.

>>4159 Your right (OP speaking) - I just have to keep the faith that it will make a difference! Still feel crypto currency could be the single biggest progress - I predict in 10yrs+ Satoshi Nakamoto will be a heroic name - up there with Nobel, Aristotle, Einstein....

>>4134 gente, lol, ci sono anch'io

>>4715 Daje, scrivi allora! Io torno a Roma solo a gennaio e direi che per quel mese ci si becca di sicuro, però intato tu e l'altro compatriota lainon vi potete incontrare prima se volete

>>3845 >At least we can look forward to fighting in the trenches You think that the people would win anything in a war with the current state of affairs? Wars profit those who already have power.

>>3886 This is pretty good advice. Capitalism is a pretty good idea when you know where your money is going. Also maybe taxes are not a good idea, given that I personally don't know any of the polititians that my money pays. Do you guys know one? Is he an asshat?

>>4159 >Choose your battles though. Arguing with braindead racists on the internet does absolutely nothing. Just look at this thread. I hadn't read the OP until recently. I've got to say, the thread has a lot of potential in the initial posts. Then it apparently derailed. Mods, we could use your help here. I think that what opie is saying is pretty true. Things are looking bleak for the people. I think that in order to be saved we need to resurrect the real agora. A place where people can say what they think, with a real identity, and no fear of having their ideas bite them in the ass. That is what the early internet did. It was out of the control of the state, and as such it started to talk about what the state is doing wrong, which are a lot of things. We, the people, need to talk amongst ourselves, with respect. Not through someone else's platform. This is why, besides cryptocoins we need a good distributed network. One that is easy to run and easy to pick up.

>>4159 Thank you, this is a real insight. I can see that this thread is being derailed pretty hard, and there is bait left and right. BUUT, there are a couple of real well thought out posts! Yours is one of the best. Thank you!!

The creation of European nation-states resulted in a lot of cultural genocidecfor the sake of unification. Ask the Brettons,Normans in France.

>>4754 >Japan >South Korea >nationalistic Japan and South Korea are US puppet states. The US has military bases on both Japan and South Korea and the US has direct over-riding operational authority over the Japanese and South Korean militaries. The Japanese and South Korean economies are also subordinate to Wall Street, Japan and South Korea have no independent action or independent agenda or independent will. They are not independent nations at all. The African and Asian refugees fleeing from NATO imperialist genocidal wars and economic colonialist starvation-level poverty go to Europe instead of South Korea or Japan because South Korea and Japan are literally thousands of kilometers further away from the active war-zones and famine zones than is Europe, which is right across the Mediterranean. You are incredibly dull and simple-minded.

>>4761 Multiculturalism for sake of destryoing ethnic and national identities of member countries.

>>4763 >South Korea and Japan are literally thousands of kilometers further away from the active war-zones and famine zones than is Europe, which is right across the Mediterranean. I wasn't even talking about "refugees" (economic illegal migrants) but about this pervasive push for diversity. "let's hire women/blacks because of their sex/race". Not illegals, that's whole another issue. I am talking about "we need more women CEOs, lets put them in charge" or "we need more black presidents and whatnot". Diversity is codeword for pushing whites out of way in their own countries to put others in their place. But on your strawman and missunderstanding: yet those that come to Japan are mostly turned down, and Japan even spies muslims in their country as a whole And in SK you have to pay tax for being a foreigner in their own country you are incredibly dull and simple minded if you think I was talking about refugees

>>4770 >>4763 I was talking about how those countries treat as being "japanese" (even though that is abstract concept, and a "spook") as something more valuable than being a muslim/black/woman. Pushing diversity and multiculturalism and saying no to nationalism has occurred only in western countries in last 10 years or so with notice on last few years. No other country is stupid enough to shoot itself in the foot by creating basically chaos other than white countries. And even in those countries it was the corporations and their politician bought friends that pushed this narrative, not exactly governments themselves.

>>4771 > No other country is stupid enough to shoot itself in the foot by creating basically chaos other than white countries White people are dumb lol.

>>4159 Memes are another word for propaganda. If you've been online for a long enough time, you probably know how propaganda wars are fought, even if you don't know you know it. Generate and share propaganda. Action is another word for propaganda. Get a feel for how the news cycle works, know how to make your action be seen. Pick what you do and how you do it to benefit your cause, not just in terms of direct consequences but in propaganda ripples. Don't give up your principles, but don't be afraid to be underhanded. >I'm echoing the most valuable post in the thread. I won't let it die and I won't let it be destroyed by misplaced political banter.

This thread has lost its sanity and sense of perspective. it will be locked for cleaning and rerailing and will remain locked if this is not viable.