On the Current State of Europe

I often worry about how Europe is going to end up due to the refugee crisis, and how millions of criminal, uneducated men who are prone to rape and hatred for those who are not one of their own is going to destroy it, especially since Macron won and said that terrorism is just "going to be a fact of life." You try to talk about it with people online, but the liberals just shut you down and automatically buy into what their governments (or at least their political party) is telling them. But you talk to conservatives and reactionaries, and it is usually the case that they are pretty uneducated, and yet do have the inner strength to deal with the problems directly and effectively. So, I want to ask Europeans on this chan this: how are your countries doing right now, concerning this? Is it really as bad as the right-wingers say that it is? Do European women walk the streets in fear that someone will rape them, or do they not even feel safe in their homes? It really does seem that the governments aren't doing anything to stop the problem, or at least, not enough. So, how are things over in Europe in your eyes?(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4),Always argue in good faith,Always elaborate on your opinions.)

I live in Germany, so I feel sort of qualified to talk about this. The impact of the refugee crisis on my life is fairly minimal: A slight increase in darker skinned people when I'm in town and a refugee soccer team that trains parallel to my club at a public sports facility. That being said, it might be the case that it had a bigger impact on the people living in poorer areas, as that's the more likely place for refugees to be housed. A *lot* of refugee quarters are also in smaller villages in the countryside because houses there are a lot cheaper. I personally don't really buy into the "end of European civilization" narrative. I don't think that a few million people will be enough to undermine a tradition that has proven so efficient economically. One big problem is, that the only available alternative to the main political parties is a movement that is incredibly anti-intelectual (climate change deniers, flat-earthers, hatred of academic institutions) and therefore has the same "cultural destructive potential" as radical Islam. Honestly, we'll just have to wait and see how everything plays out. I don't think this dynamic of very angry uneducated people versus dishonest, delusional elites can be stopped or reversed at this point.

I dont see the refugees as enemies, i see the people who let them in as the real enemies. As you said the conservatives are dumb and liberals are ignorant. And refugees are certainly not the only and probably not the most pressing issues either over here. I see no chance for this so called society and can only hope that someone will take charge and change things to build a new society where the rational and reasonable have the say. For now i have no choice but to wait and see what happens and think of what to do. Politics since the introduction of democracy has been a emotional soykaffest, as much as any other field. Its all about impressions, reputation and the feel good factor. All problems are being swept under the carpet and people look the other way, but thats nothing new. I have no sympathies for my so called fellow men and especially the women, they can all burn in hell.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4), Always argue in good faith, and always elaborate on your opinions, Why do you see no chance ? Why should humanity burn in hell ?)

>>2521 >I see no chance for this so called society and can only hope that someone will take charge and change things to build a new society where the rational and reasonable have the say. Why should there be a world were a select few take charge? And based on such an arbitrary condition? What does "rational" or "reasonable" ever really mean? >and especially the women Yeesh. I feel welcomed. Is it because we're less "rational"/"reasonable" or something?(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, why are you asking these questions , what are your own viewpoints ? or the hypothetical viewpoints ? )

I live in Sweden and things are fine. 100 criminals out of a few million doesnt qualify the whole group as of that demography. Give it 50 years and the same nationalists being against taking in people fleeing from war will brag about how kind their nation is. Most of the soykaf you hear is made up by people living in their own fantasy, both deluded americans larping and bitter european far righters. This wont be the end of European civilization, 2-5 million cant destroy a 500 million, Russia is 20% percent and is coping just fine.

its times like this im very happy this board has a small userbase that composes a large minority of the population. And it makes me reflect on why I talk to people who want their fellow humans to burn in hell. I wonder how fuarrrked up I must be.

hello, polen here. Refugees are just another scare tactic, our government is socially left and culturally right(so Catholicism + pretty well developed social help). Official TV(so tvp1 and tvp2) pushes the government agenda pretty well(for example by the end of the news there's a part where they show you a video of some "enemy" politician speaking and tell you why his words are "wrong" or "falsification"). People who say something not sitting well with current rules(especially people working at radio) lose their jobs. I am a glitterboy and i don't really care, because people from my country live rather private lives and being open about who you are is seen as something unwanted(with strangers, i mean). But on topic, i don't think there was any terrorism attack in my country, might be cause most of the society is at least a bit "right-wing"(God, Honor, Fatherland), so people who are "different" are not as welcome as in other countries. About european civilization. Let it burn, i don't get that fear about the end of it. It's normal, isn't it? Stuff starts, it goes on and ends. I sorta feel it has a connection to general tactic in today's media i watched some american documentary about Yellowstone exploding and it was constant fear and spook, like today's society can't deal with the fact that "ending"/death exist

Swiss Lain here. The only way the refugee crisis has affected our country is politics. Right-wing parties like the SVP have experienced an increase in supporters and are now one of the strongest parties in the national council. Other than that, not much has changed. I still feel just as safe walking down the street as I did 10 years ago. Also, according to statistics the amount of refugee applications hasn't increased too much over the last couple of years. Things are okay, I guess. Seems like we're having much less troubles here than Germany or France.

German here, the only case where the whole refugee thing has been visible in my life is a family of Yazidis (that's genuine "IS trying to commit genocide" level) that are now living in the town I'm from who are still struggling to find work, but seem to get along fine with everybody so far. Those aren't single muslim males though.

>>2525 >like today's society can't deal with the fact that "ending"/death exist No society has ever been able to visualize its own collapse. The fact that it's becoming obvious to most people that it's starting to crumble is a sign that it is, in fact, starting to crumble, and a radical shift in structure is at hand.

Another polish lainon here. In my country 'the imigration crisis' is just another political game, just another way of dividing people. Good to know that in yours it's the same ;) Stay strong against the far/alt right idiots, don't follow our example we will hopefully kick them out in next elections >>2527 I've once read a bit about Yazidis religious beliefs (very interesting topic). I am courious if they follow it strictly. Have you met them? Have you got any interesting stories with them?(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4) Always elaborate on your opinions, how is this just another political game ? How and why are people being divided ?)

>>2528 Probably not, but i am more scared of the fact that western civilization brushes the death under the rug, avoids the topic altogether.

>>2530 What else is there to do? Desperately do everything you can to stay afloat? Id rather our civilization be known as golden and short rather than become the sick man of the world

>>2531 um, i mean death as "people die", "stuff has it's end", not death as "our civ will die"

>Do European women walk the streets in fear that someone will rape them, Nope, at least here in Rome. I only see uneducated people complaining about lost jobs (guess what, niggers are gonna do anything for half the pay and it is capitalism the problem, and it applies only for unqualified jobs) and saying that immigrants and refugees are a danger. Yes they sell weed, but it is Mafia's weed so... I only see a lot of slaves coming here

>>2529 haven't talked much with them, but they used to live in a town in Syria or Iraq that has later been raided and mostly burned to the ground by ISIS, so if they hadn't left they'd all be dead by now; it's a family of 9 people or so (including the wifes of the sons iirc)

Lain from Vienna here. > how are your countries doing right now, concerning this? Things slowed down, at least that's what the media portrays. All in all this is a huge waste of money and resources. For years they told us that we don't have enough money for our pupils or infrastructure but suddenly it's fine and morally imperative to spend a very sizable amount of money on non Europeans. And it's not even a one time thing, these people will be a burden for the tax payers for generations to come. You just need to take a look at the Turkish community across Europe to see where the voyage is going. Honestly, in my view the Austrian politicians who acted in accordance with Merkel should be in prison. On top of that there is still no real solution to this situation. It's a mess. Sad. On a less meta level things are settling I guess. There were a few really ugly cases involving "refugees" and I know that train stations in Innsbruck and Linz at night are now places to avoid. That was not the case few years ago. Vienna itself is still okay I think. But here we already had a large influx of foreign (read: brown) people since at least 20 years and have a government who spends money like there is no tomorrow. > Is it really as bad as the right-wingers say that it is? I'm not exactly on the "Refugees welcome" train as you can see yourself but American Media is rather sensationalist on this issue. > Do European women walk the streets in fear that someone will rape them, or do they not even feel safe in their homes? My girlfriend feels rather safe as I can see but like I said, Vienna is all in all a safe city. > So, how are things over in Europe in your eyes? I really hope they start to implement real solutions very soon. And with this I mean that Europe shuts down the asylum loophole which is used for migration. They are economic migrants period. And while it's really hard for skilled workers to come to Europe all you only need to do is throw away your passport and shout "Asylum" and suddenly the state has no handle to get rid of you whatsoever and has to care of you ad infinitum.

Croatia here. So, we're a big transit nation for the refugees. As in many, maybe most refugees go trough here. Nothing of note happened. There are some murmurs on the street, but it's generally life as usual.

>>2520 >hatred of academic institutions You talk about the AfD? The "Party of Professors"? Or NPD? The NPD has not been relevant in a long time, if it ever was. Climate change "deniers" implies we know about teh dynamics of climate change. But we still don't know. And I hope you don't really believe that there are more than 100 peopleliving in germany who believe in a flat Earth. Sounds like a political tactic of ridiculing your opposition without having to show any proof.

>>2536 Are you retarded? Another croatian here. "refugees" distributed by EU were put into Hotel Porin in Zagreb by force of police, and when they were trying to run away they were just held into the Hotel. Moreover, they were unruly, were stealing bikes, attacking people in local block and even stole soykaf from cars. This was all hushed down and not written in main news outlets of course, and if they were caught by police they would be put back into the Hotel. You fuarrrker don't know what's fuarrrking happening, stfu and stay silent.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) , Always argue in good faith, calling people retarded or a fuarkker is personal attack. Always elaborate on your opinions, tell us what happened.)

>>2533 >"I only see a lot of slaves coming here" >neurosuggesting there are any jobs to steal >"capitalism is the problem" You are letting them in, no? Or, by your post at least, you seem indifferent. Seems like capitalism isn't the only one at fault here, there is the second factor called "government" which is, at least in theory, by the people and for the people. You (the "people") are indifferent, so that's how your government will be.

>mod comes into thread >oh look here, someone is talking controversal soykaf about humanitarean discussion, better move it to something completely random place to slow down traffic to such discussion Nigger lover(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,6), Avoid personal attacks, Feedback and complaints about moderation belong on /q/.)

>>2546 Lainchan has its own "refugee crisis" then doesn't it? Take the hint, you aren't welcome here.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls.)

>men who are prone to rape and hatred for those who are not one of their own >OP forgetting the massive amounts of indiscriminate killing/raping/colonization committed globally by europeans(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4) You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf. Just posts greentext but doesn't elaborate....)

>>2537 He is probably talking about sayings like "Universities brainwash students into marxism and feminism" etc

>>2548 >using blanket terms like "Europeans" Sweden never did those things yet its projected to be a third world country by 2050.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls.)

>>2547 Wow, racist(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4,5) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls.)

>>2539 Well more or less: there is work, yet all the niggers take that as they do not know they have rights, so Mafia can make them work the double for the half and the Italians have no job. Yes it is Italy's fault if in 2017 we haven't get rid of Mafia and slavery, but bro' I don't care: I live in a "rich" city and my family is in the middle class so I have not to worry about my fellows to be that stupid

>>2550 1000 years ago they did.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4) What does the history of the vikings have to do with the State of Europe now ? E.g. the topic in OP ?)

>>2553 LeL Vikings didn't attack anyone other than other Europeans, and they were mostly Norwegian.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4) What does the history of the vikings have to do with the State of Europe now ? E.g. the topic in OP ?)

>>2554 Stuff and nonsense. The vikings traveled further than any culture before them on Earth. They settled in America temporarily and clashed with natives there (they called the locals Skraelings). They formed the Varangian Guard, a mercenary unit of the Byzantine Army. They also traded in slaves at times and called Africans "blue men" because they were a little freaked out by the colour of their skin. Oh and I suppose they raped the sh!t out of other European peoples too as you pointed out.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4) What does the history of the vikings have to do with the State of Europe now ? E.g. the topic in OP ?)

>>2556 Suuuurreeee they did And also, are you trying to imply that all Swedes are descendants from vikings? Also, what does Africa have to do with vikings? Where does that Somalian "refugee" in Swede get his beef with what supposedly happened 1000 years ago with vikings and native americans? Also, to imply that everyone needs to owe up to past wrong doings is absurd. Nothing like that can be realistically done without destroying basic human rights and liberties.

>>2519 >why don't liberals believe my ridiculous claims and out of context quotes Because your bullsoykaf is completely transparent to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. >>2538 >all this happened, believe me >the news didn't report on it so don't go and look for a source since I didn't give one >shut up and stop saying things I don't agree with Wow, I'm sure going to trust some random poster on an anonymous image board.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls.)

>>2558 > Suuuurreeee they did You're seriously telling us, every history book ever written about them is wrong? I didn't mention Somalia anyway, take that up with whoever did.

>>2559 >>2559 You know the definition of mainstream right? There were few obscure news articles and couple of forum posts from people talking about their personal experiences but that's it. If you are Croatian it won't be hard for you to search "Hotel Porin" and find something of what I already mentioned.[spoiler][/spoiler]

>>2561 Suuure you did was citation needed part, dumbo. Also, do you sincerely believe in taking back what was done ages ago? Do you SINCERELY believe world can operate on such rules? Why don't you start off yourself and do what you preach and go back into history books, look up your old grandpappies and whatever relative you had that was in your lineage responsible for something wrong and give back to the people that (s)he stole from.

>>2563 Since this is clearly a new topic for you I'd say any encyclopedia is a good place to start, or just google the key words. As for this: > Also, do you sincerely believe in taking back what was done ages ago? I'm not interested in defending the perspectives of other users in the thread who may have said that. I just corrected some glaring historical inaccuracies.

>>2562 >couple of forum posts Because no one ever lies when posting online.

>>2566 Jeez man you are fuarrrking reaching Its obvious you are not Croatian or know the situation in my country. Now shush.

>>2565 >educate yourself Nah, go fuarrrk yourself pompous prick(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4),Always argue in good faith,Always elaborate on your opinions. Why don't you need an education? We don't need no education Yes you do. You've just used a 2x-)

>>2568 You totally have me convinced now. I'm going to stop basing my views of the world on what's available from actual news agencies with actual reputations and start basing my views of the world on various posts people have made on the internet (only the ones that support my world view though of course).

>>2548 >>2553 So, your ideal of 'justice' is to find distant descendants of people who did wrong and do the exact same thing - or worse to them despite the fact that the people you're attacking now are actually good people who are completely innocent of these crimes that you accuse them of. Pathetic. I'm sure glad my country is naturally immunized.

>>2570 I also said obscure news agencies.... but do you sincerely think that news won't ever lie to you? News are just a company like any other and their main product is audience for marketing the products before/during/after news. The only problem is how to attract the audience, and as we know sensationalism and propaganda works best. So yea, "actual news agencies" lie too. More often than just people. Not to mention that track record of news makes me more trusting of anonymous/pseudonym people over forums than them.

>>2573 You can check news against different sources, you know that, right? You don't have to trust anyone. Specially random people on the internet.

>>2573 >I also said obscure news agencies Which normally means random blogs. >So yea, "actual news agencies" lie too. More often than just people. Let me guess, you consider any bias in a direction you don't like to be lies. >Not to mention that track record of news makes me more trusting of anonymous/pseudonym people over forums than them. Except you can check multiple news agencies for stories on the same subject, which you generally can't do with some random person's anecdote. News agencies also have reputations.

>>2519 I'm not European, so I basically watch all this sensationalism, soykaf flinging, hatred and drama from a far. Nothing is new under the sun.

>>2571 You know you're arguing with more than one person right? I'm not wasting time defending things I never said but continue putting words in people's mouths if throwing a tantrum on the internet helps you release some tension.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls.)

>>2569 > educate myself? NO! This is why the right wing is failing.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls. Right Wing, Left Wing ? We are not talking about planes or which chicken part you want to eat ?)

>>2548 fuarrrking Kamchatka is not part of Europe. Have you never played Risk?

>>2577 Quit your meta discussion. You don't care or know anything about Croatia. You seem to only be interested in this discussion because I give different opinions. Here are couple of "actual news outlets" talking about what I did, just for you: http://www.zagreb.info/aktualno/moj-kvart/jecaj-ocajnih-stanovnika-dugava-azilanti-po-cijele-dane-piju-razbijaju-i-kradu-sve-pred-ocima-nase-djece/91644 http://www.vijesti.rtl.hr/novosti/hrvatska/1760363/izbjeglice-u-hotelu-porin-prosvjeduju-azilant-kamenjem-gadjao-novinare-fotograf-ga-oborio-na-pod/ http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/novosti/crna-kronika/clanak/id/220130/azilanti-iz-hotela-porin-zarauju-kraduci-po-zagrebu You pompous sack of soykaf(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4,5) Always argue in good faith and avoid personal attacks, Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls.)

>>2591 "Educate yourself" is type of pompous soykaf head way of saying "read the same books and news agencies I do, maybe you will think the same way I do". It has nothing to do with "education" but it's short hand for arrogant down talk and attempt at brainwash. Also, I do "educate" myself. I read all the same soykaf they do, but I just learned to despise it with time so much that I can't stomach it anymore. You seem the same way seeing how you paint the whole of right wing as uneducated hicks.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4),Always argue in good faith,Always elaborate on your opinions. Choosing one meaning of educate yourself as a thing a pompous soykaf head would say is bad faith)

>>2548 Funny pic considering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MacedonEmpire.jpg and then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mongol_Empire_map.gif

German Lainon here. The refugee crisis IS a problem. At least where I live. You can tell that a lot of people are scared by the refugees. The "Refugees Welcome" people usually live in their suburban houses and rarely meet any of them. Most drug dealers in my area are arabs. They form gangs and are violent. A very small village nearby had to take in a ton of refugees, and it feels as half the village is from the middle east or Africa. I see multiple problems with accepting refugees. 1. A lot of "economic refugees" who were not in danger in their home countries 2. Most of them follow Islam. And yes I think Islam is a dangerous religion. Everyone who says that Islam is a religion of peace should read the quran. 3. I'm not an ethnic German. I'm a immigrant myself. But a demographic change is awful for the German culture. Mass immigration of people who oppose the German culture and get at least twice as many children will destroy German culture. 4. They are viollent. They commit more crimes. They don't integrate. Of course not everyone of them is a that bad. But would you eat 10 apples if you knew one of them is poisoned? I'm not against immigration. I'm not against diversity. But mass immigration from people with a completly different culture and morals who don't integrate but form parallel societies in your own country is bullsoykaf.

>>2636 >But would you eat 10 apples if you knew one of them is poisoned? Take the common sense route and test the apples for poison, and plan a hospital visit in the small off chance that the tests failed? You need fruit to be healthy, and you eat other assorted fruits each day that might be bad for you. Apples may have a bad rap, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't give them a try. I really don't understand why the refugee crisis is so polarized. Why can't people take the middle road, let a bunch of refugees in, teach them european law, dont give them the blind eye, and let them find work. Nobody completely wins, but no one completely looses either, and these poor bastards dont have to deal with war and ISIS, plus they get to live in the first world. If some of them commit serious crimes, send those ones back instead of the whole bunch.

>>2636 >But would you eat 10 apples if you knew one of them is poisoned? I would eat four of them.

This whole problem could be solved by simply banning immigration of people who aren't atheists. People will either choose to be atheist, or stay out.

>>2639 >would test apples for poison and have hospital visit already planned out alongside with enforced protection Literally the opposite of what Germany did with refugees. >I really don't understand why the refugee crisis is so polarized. The "refugees" aren't refugees. Most of them aren't escaping war torn areas. Most of them don't care about safety. Most of them are uneducated. Most of them are self entitled brats that want money. You can't teach someone swedish if that person doesn't want to learn swedish. You can't teach someone european law or common western culture when they think of it as "subhuman" and "soykafty culture". "Don't give them the blind eye" is nice idea, but all politicians did exactly the opposite. They just let them be and roam around doing whatever they want. There is more police on anti refugee protests than when refugees riot.

>>2533 Agree. Working in tomato fields under Camorra isn't exactly a work i'm feeling has been stealed from me. Also i live in Rome too. In wich zone do you live? If you want write me, i'm happy to hear of other lainons in my city noronir@libero.it

>>2520 mh, i hate this thing of corrupts vs idiots. We need some new party which doesn't represents neither of the two sides. Have you heard of Varoufakis' diem25? it seems interesting, it's a new european europeisy party which includes some german green's, people from podemos, a bunch from italian left etc etc. including a few intellectuals not affiliated to any party (for instance Ken Loach). They're doing a congress in Berlin but i can't go cause i don't live in Germany and have no money/time for travelling :(

>>2636 >But would you eat 10 apples if you knew one of them is poisoned? Except this is a discussion where people would be negatively affected, not just food thrown out. The idea of "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer," which has been around for hundreds of years now, is rather ingrained in my country.

>>2520 The only anti-intellectuals are the people that disregard facts in order to not hurt someone's feelings.

>>2852 The alt-right is largely built on anti-intellectualism but they call it "anti-elitism". > I <3 teh undereducated !1!!! You get elected with statements like this these days.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls. Right Wing, Left Wing ? We are not talking about planes or which chicken part you want to eat ?)

>>2853 >unsubstantiated claims Leftists love to make up fairy tales :^^) See what I did there?(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls. Right Wing, Left Wing ? We are not talking about planes or which chicken part you want to eat ?)

>Do European women walk the streets in fear that someone will rape them, or do they not even feel safe in their homes? This is a silly exaggeration. Go to Amsterdam. White people buy their party drugs from brown people in the middle of the street and don't give a soykaf. >It really does seem that the governments aren't doing anything to stop the problem, or at least, not enough. Oh don't worry, they are actively making everything worse. But you are not looking at the causes and so you will only be able to propose band-aid solutions. You seem to acknowledge that reactionaries don't know what they're doing either, but by framing your entire thread around us-versus-them and "millions of criminal, uneducated men prone to rape" then you are already giving in to the same good old-fashioned tribalism. Allow me to get to the point. The reason Europe is getting overrun by refugees is because uncle sam fuarrrked up Iraq and Syria. The reason that happened is because they want to put down a pipeline between Turkey and Qatar so they can win their economic war with Russia. That's the direct cause. So maybe, instead of complaining about how Europe is too soft, the Americans should do something about their government's oil addiction. They should do something about interventionism. They should do something about their deregulated, consolidated and completely corrupt media, the kind that tricked millions of people into supporting the Iraq war. Get cracking, please!

>>2893 Why do you want the regulation of the media when you've postulated that the problem is Uncle Sam? A government acting in its own interests, oil, is now supposed to regulate the media in the public's interest? No, it'd become even more the means of the state's propaganda. Regulation of media would be censorship. I don't like garbage but I don't want my government deciding what is and isn't garbage. I'll do that for myself, thank you.

>>2855 What are you talking about? Trump litetally said he loved the poorly educated, I just turned it into text speak for sarcasm. https://youtu.be/I8ltaE6Bifw You lose this round.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5), Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls. What's Trump go to do to with it ? What is Trump but a second hand presidential promotion.)

>>2893 >The reason Europe is getting overrun by refugees is because uncle sam fuarrrked up Iraq and Syria. You sound like a edgy 17 year old. Muh evil uncle sam the imperialist!! I mean Iraq and Syria didn't help, that's true. But the causes are much more complicated and nuanced. A very large bulk of the economic migrants are not even from these countries. And yes, Europe is too soft. These people are a huge economic and sociological burden. Just take a look at the publicized figures of Sweden, Norway or Switzerland regarding the costs. But there is not enough political will to change anything and if I'm allowed to wear my tin foil hat then I would say that it seems like the powers that be welcome a weakening of the homogeneous western society.

>>2894 Allow me to explain myself. Media cross-ownership used to be regulated. When it was deregulated, this led to the rise of a handful of media corporations. Deregulation didn't result in freedom of speech and all that jazz. It led to a kind of centralization, which made it easier to just bribe the media and control most of the narrative. This makes it easier to trick people into supporting war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996 >not one, but two people get angry when I say "uncle sam" Calling the US nicknames makes me edgy now? What? There was a spammer back a moment ago calling people n1gger lovers (don't block my fukken post, soykafty spam filter) yet I'm the edgelord? The United States is currently at war with seven different countries. That's a fact. Feel free to discuss the details. You can look at the factions that benefit from interventionism and decide which ones need to piss off first.

>>2901 I guess you are an US citizen because you have quite a American centric view which is fine, but rather odd given the topic at hand. But again, in my opinion I don't think the "refugee" issue is due to US involvement. Sure it would be nice if America would call out their Allies like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia for breaking international law. Besides they are also training the rebels and sending arms, right? No matter what, it's just geopolitics 101. I think the European Refugee issue is much more interesting since it can't be explained that easily. Nobody has any stakes in here and having these people in Europe doesn't serve any obvious purpose. Again, I think the whole issue is due to 68ers politicians with a bleeding heart, in other words 'Europe' being soft. On the issue of cause, I think that without Germany officially stating that every Syrian (and everyone that can obtain an illegal Syrian passport) can stay in Germany. That's a huge pull for people of the 3rd world. And let's face the facts, Asylum is a loophole for people of non developed countries to migrate to Europe. No way any of these people could come here legally otherwise. So that was a perfect chance.

>>2643 >The "refugees" aren't refugees. >The "apples" aren't apples >the "Wired" is not the Wired >something is not itself how stupid.

>>2645 Degustibus non disputandum est, there are not so many jobs other than that anyway

>>2899 But refugees are not economic immigrants >homogeneous western society. It never existed something similar >>>2907 >Germany officially stating that every Syrian (and everyone that can obtain an illegal Syrian passport) can stay in Germany. Syria is at war bro', that's why Syrians can come, illegalities are just illegal so I don't think they apply

>>3565 Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose

>>2855 generally they do, actually. A lot of migrants give their homeland a huge cash injection by getting higher wages and sending it back home. Something like 11% of Mexico's GDP can be accounted for by this mechanism.

>>3571 The implication is that they could make a business in their own country if they are so hard working and smart, not to avoid taxation and governmental measures and literally create a parasitical economy on basis of ours.

Norway. Low friction at the moment, demographic distribution is largely confined to zones that lies at the urban peripheries. Recent news of car bombings, police speak of upsurge in youth violence and gangs. It's believed that the Swedish concept of "no-go" zones is approaching. I anticipate ugliness. Europe is geographically small, American white flight endemic of recent decades is not an option. Westerners have a frustratingly poor grasp of time and little consciousness of exponential effects. Demographic replacement is a key issue over the next decades. People look at countries like France and say, there's "only" 9.6% Muslim. Meaningless number considering few boomers are of foreign ethnicities. What if you break it into age cohorts? https://pjmedia.com/blog/latest-survey-finds-25-of-french-teenagers-are-muslims/ Stats have since become more difficult to obtain. But in some ways both France, UK and Germany and smaller countries with widely disproportional birth rates between ethnic groups are pregnant with this problem. Time is the enemy. Am confident Eastern Europe can and will address their issues. As long as they can route around EUs passionate desire to collectively submerge every member state with face changing immigration. Which it appears they will manage. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-6-central-europe-nations-vow-unity-on-migration/2017/06/19/98fc4a70-54f9-11e7-840b-512026319da7_story.html?utm_term=.8e58ec8e3d94) West Europe's altruistic sense overpowers both sense and ability to accordingly react, which only compounds the damage over time. I also believe there are interesting evolutionary underpinnings for the West/East behavioral divide (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/big-summary-post-on-the-hajnal-line/), but I am also not excluding possible effects of cultural institutional forces like the Church in countries like Poland to act as a buffer against universalist memes. Anyways, I think it has become clear to most that the damage will arrive sooner than many anticipated. This is good, IMHO. The less roots to upend the less hurt -- this is a compounding issue where time is the enemy. Merkel and May has all made it clear how far they will go to curtail dissent. This is the cyberpunk prologue story where the surveillance state is born. Dissenting political parties are imbecilic. Consensus is substituted with opinion marketeers. American social schizophrenia is spreading into the European circuit. And heavens know what will become of this (http://www.unz.com/isteve/ageing-europe-could-benefit-from-refugees-and-migrants-un/) "Human Rights" political protocol makes for cruel game theory, attack it and they will invoke deep morality, which makes for effective kryptonite where political systems implemented under Human Rights acts are given arcane protection against rationality and skepticism. My only hope is that somewhere like London or Sweden will taste catastrophe before others, and from that horror the altruistic dreamstate turns into Silent Hill madness. Don't know what the solutions will look like, be it re-immigrating them or worst case, exit politics, the abandoning of a sinking ship. TL;DR: East Europe will prevail West Europe is about to get really shaky. Long-term effects hurts worse, but is too diffused to cause reaction.

>>3576 long-term, the only possible outcome is the emergence of a new multicultural society in Europe. Anything else is either unrealistic or a nazi pipe dream.

>>3586 I think a key error lies in thinking we've got anything else than pipe dreams. 2016 should've served as a gentle message that the road is dark from here on and late 20th century meta-narratives about humanistic monism won't follow us for much longer. European Universalism doesn't particularly appeal to anyone other than Western Europeans. The conflict-minimizing liberal's desired outcome rests on ethnic osmosis outpacing catastrophe which to me seems unlikely. There's no melting pot, Europe is predominantly housing Muslims with firm identity which will only grow firmer as we become increasingly unattractive as western culture increasingly fails to produce answers aside from meek lyricism about goodwill. Social media routes around cultural isolation and integration effort, e.g. Turks are now in full participation with local Turkish events and friends/family in homeland, this trend will accelerate as more technology allows for stable meta-identities and living (20th century integration planning now obsolete). Had large scale ethnic osmosis happened it would also entail non-trivial net IQ loss, if both Eastern Europe and East Asia are exempted from this the plausible outcome to seems that more power would gravitate towards those countries, especially East Asia which seems particularly potent at identifying liberal and postmodern arguments as damage.

>>3586 >he believes multicultural societies are stable enough without totalitarian governments >he thinks nazis are dreaming and unrealistic Create a problem -> Give a solution to a problem you made to further your goals Don't you see it? EU bureaucrats that weren't elected wanted to create a bigger Europe, a true Union if you will. They can only do this by destroying the unique cultures and national identities of it's members. Multiculturalism thus destroys any semblance of national or cultural identity that these countries had, making them into a bland mix that tastes the same everywhere you go to in the "new" western world, unifying Europe under this false new flag and destabilizing it. When you put different ideologies, different cultures, different religions with different ideas of how things need to be run in civilized society , IN THE SAME GEOGRAPHICAL AREA, you will have destabilized region. Then you can come down with iron fist of the law and dystopian future you idiots are so wishing of.... Just so you know, I hack and steal money from leftists, muslims and jews.

>>3588 I don't find a single thing you said compelling or believable. >Just so you know, I hack and steal money from leftists, muslims and jews. you know you're insecure when you have to tell everyone how big your internet dick is.

>>3587 I think Europeans have a misplaced idea of what multiculturalism even is. You seem to think it means integration, or cultural exchange of sorts -- in reality it just means multiple seperate cultures coexisting. Full integration/mixing doesn't happen for several generations. Just look at the history of European(and now Mexican) migrants to the US to see how it works.

>>3592 The reason I don't entertain 20th century notions of multiculturalism is because I think it's a moot point, technology in large has done with the notion that we have separate lanes. Europe doesn't have the geography for any sort of co-habitation resembling North American countries (including Mexico). Democracy does not offer multiple pies. European bureaucrats squirm at the notion of immigrant populations establishing autonomous Islamic ecosystems, hence Merkel's "Multiculturalism has failed". Nassim Taleb has a much better explanation https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15 Not suggesting osmosis as desirable or plausible, yet it is the insane crux in which the liberal order rests on to project a stable European future. A more likely trajectory, I think, is that the military aged men of a few decades from now will be majority Muslim. http://imgur.com/a/p67EJ (Also note disparity between German men, 1.27, and women, 1.67)

>>2550 is refugee a not-blanket term?

I've been affected through the strain on the NHS causing difficulties in my ex's mental health care, as well as having a 2-3 hour wait time when I fractured a wrist a few years ago (they didn't even spot the fracture after all that). That Labour caused this underfunding in the first place during Blair's terms through the PFI deals, and now claim it's the Tories privatising the NHS pisses me off a little. I'm also a little concerned about housing prices in the near future and all that jazz. More broadly, the refugee crisis is seeded a bit deeper than you'd think. The combination of Labour purposefully trying to create a more "diverse" society and later governments turning a blind eye, alongside our destabilisation of the Middle East for the yids, has made a really tangled mess of a problem to get out of. >Many have long suspected that mass immigration under Labour was not just a cock up but also a conspiracy. They were right. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html >Information on migrants who should have been deported were found rotting in cupboards and even at the bottom of disused lift shafts. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/547570/Immigrants-missing-fiasco-files-dumped I'm not really sure what the end goal is for this manufactured crisis. For now I'll just assume it's the Zionists due to the destabilised regions being within the area of the "Greater Israel" project. >>3586 Thank you for your input, Barbara Spector.

>>2855 >>3573 Mexicans and Central Americans are slave workers in either country. http://immigration.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000788 My link accurately lists the major arguments of both sides. If you read it carefully, one side is frequently lying about economic damages. Somehow taxpayers paying $100-400 billion dollars is supposed to scare me despite the 11% to 74% gains we receive. Anti-immigration has a overall weak economic argument. As for the social or cultural arguments, immigrants are a problem due to religiosity and outdated culture, except these aren't the points I see made. tl;dr uneducated closet racist.

>>3591 >I don't find a single thing you said compelling or believable. well let's say it this way for your little bird brain. See lainchan right? Whenever I make a nazi thread poking fun at leftitards here you all take offense and say "you're not welcome here" and report my threads and whine to mods in IRC. I never make it outright to provoke you, I make it to spread my ideas and yet these "different cultures and ideologies coexisting together" bullsoykaf is obviously false. You can't "coexist" with people of same race but with little different ideology and you think you can coexist with muslims? The fuarrrk are you talking about? Who are you trying to lie to? Also, I just noted that last bit to piss you off which in my opinion worked since you never explained one single thing of your "coexisting". fuarrrking moron.

>>3594 No Everyone is said to be a refugee today, even if they are not escaping war torn area and even if they already passed a country that is safe. Most of "refugees" are economic migrants taking advantage of current administration lax migration laws. If you cross 8 borders to the "nearest safe country" you are not a refugee.

>>3597 Modern day Muslims are in an acculteration phase. The Christians were just as unreasonable and violent from the Holy Wars to the time the influence of the Catholics decayed during the Reformation. Muslims will peacefully co-exist with Christians once the Middle East is technologically advanced. The US doesn't have problems with Egypt, a 90% Muslim country that is progressing due to the internet, and assimilation of Western technology and information. You're irrational. I'm not the other guy btw.

>>3599 >The Christians were just as unreasonable and violent from the Holy Wars to the time the influence of the Catholics decayed during the Reformation Love how it has to be compared to Christians, as if that comparison will make us more sympathetic or understanding. Also, bashing Christians is in no way helping your cause. Oh Christians were as unreasonable and violent during Holy Wars? I remember Holy Wars being as just a reaction to what Ottoman empire did, a form of jihad if you will. >Muslims will peacefully co-exist with Christians once the Middle East is technologically advanced Muslims in middle east aren't the problem buddy. Muslims in western world that are 2nd or 3rd generation are. They see the freedom around them and they see how "horrible" it is. They to find some peace and comfort they come back to their religion which radicalizes them. Most suicide bombers in west are known for prostitution, gambling, drugs, alcohol. And then they come back and kill the infidel to cleanse themselves from the sins. Making Middle East more technologically advanced will not solve the underlying cultural problem of Islam, as already said. People susceptible for radicalization will get radicalized and it will be EUs problem to reform Islam, not Middle Easts. Middle East, if it goes through reform like you said, will have no contact to those already living in west that can and are radicalized. Also, this idea that somehow culture will completely change just because you give a Zulu tribe an iPhone is ludicrous. Culture takes long time to change through few generations, not overnight and not across the globe. >The US doesn't have problems with Egypt, a 90% Muslim country that is progressing due to the internet, and assimilation of Western technology and information http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/ (Just look at everywhere where Egypt is mentioned.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Egypt (<-- as far as I see there are more and more terroristic attacks in Egypt after mid 20th century) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKKKzOYMhO8 Just a quick internet search m8, would find more if I truly cared to. Who are you lying to? Me or yourself? >You're irrational https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

>>3601 There's no way you can believe what I said is wrong. If there is, that's really sad. I hope you get better one day. Your post desperately lashes at things that I never said. So I'm not going to bother with this anymore.

>>3599 Not previous poster, but I think the Arab spring technological naivety should go back into its pitiful grave. If anything I think we're seeing a pattern of increased desire for exit politics being accelerated by technological access. Copts wants out. Kurds want out. Berbers wants outs of Arab circuit. They have also proven quite fierce in fighting the straitjacket of modernity, should they ever hit the levels of atomization we're experiencing in the West then I don't think it's entirely implausible to see another counter revolutionary insurrection like in the 70s. Equating Arab instability with the Thirty Years' War only draws parallels at a very low resolution. Post-CIA meddled Middle East is the Pandora's Box ugly foreign interference. While I still have some optimism for their betterment I believe it will need huge changes in game theory, e.g. hard deterrence, to stamp out the incentive of funding fighters to shift the geopolitical fulcrum. And even then I do think their ecosystems will remain highly artificial as foreign meddling shifts over to Soros style political funding.

>>3604

The whole issue of 'refugee crisis' is blown out of proportion in the interests of the ruling elites. Since 2008 our Western economic system is in the state of constant recession. The only answer this system had for the masses was introduction of austerity policies that simply led to thousands of people finding themselves worse-off than ever before. With the tightening of the belt that leads to slow crumbling of the remnants of the Keynesian era of welfare-for-all, times become desperate, both for simple folks and for the fat cats at the top. Refugee crisis, caused by the 20+ years of Western interventions in the Middle-East that led to complete destabilisation in the region, can serve as a nice attention-grab for the disgruntled masses of poor people that were left behind. This is why the far-right demagogues have quite a significant support among the working class white communities, not only here in Europe but in the US as well. I think that those people running away from their own countries torn apart by the Western interventionism and the reaction to it are simply used by the ruling class and liberal elite as a ploy to try to stay afloat in this era of capitalist collapse. The last thing the establishment would like to see is for the people to realise that it is inherently the socio-economic system that had failed us. It's safer for them to blame it on refugees/migrants/muslims - you name it. Kinda reminiscent of 30's when the Western world was in utter shambles due to the Great Depression. Only now the elites supplanted 'Jews' for other scarecrows. We'll see how it'll end.

>>3597 >You can't "coexist" with people of same race but with little different ideology and you think you can coexist with muslims? because I already do. >Also, I just noted that last bit to piss you off cute

>>3601 >Also, bashing Christians is in no way helping your cause. Why not? Organized religion isn't very popular where I'm from. >I remember Holy Wars being as just a reaction to what Ottoman empire did, a form of jihad if you will. the crusades were pre-Ottoman. Not to mention the countless holy wars between protestants and Catholics within Christianity itself. Then again, like most holy wars, they were just normal political wars disguised in religion. >They see the freedom around them and they see how "horrible" it is. Pure fiction. Every Muslim I know vastly prefers life here. Even the rich ones who didn't have bombs dropped on their heads every other day. >>3606 quite right. It's all proxy wars over there, the people are more of an afterthought to the big players.

OP here. I was actually derezzed for a few days or weeks due to writing this, but I didn't know that until it had already expired due to me rarely posting on imageboards anymore. I haven't even seriously been on 4chan for at least four years, probably a little more. As an aside, I was permanently derezzed from 420chan right after Macron won, but that place is full of degenerates and I never really learned anything worthwhile there, so I'm not too mad about it outside of toxic liberalism and the fact that I can't observe the bizarre personal problems of junkies anymore. I guess that what motivates me to write anything like this is the belief that I have that Muslims have raped, enslaved and impregnated white women and Christians much more than we've done to their women, and while I've tried to find proof that this isn't so, I've yet to. I've had this belief since the time I had a roommate who looked at alternative, right-wing news sources, and I moved away from there two years ago. I spend many hours of my time privately researching it, talking about it online (it is amazing how many people will just shut you down and say that you are wrong even when they have no proof), asking questions about it on I Ching, and I don't know what to make of the results. It really seems like I am correct, and that in the future Europe will be overrun by those psychopathic chimpanzees (excuse the slur) and white women will be raped and forced to give birth to Muslim children. It makes me sick. European men don't seem to be doing anything to protect their women; everyone seems to be in massive denial. Muslim women are not raped by white men in the slightest in today's world and most Muslim women take sadistic glee in seeing non-Muslim women raped and abused by their men. I'm sorry if this is "racist" and if it violates rules again. But I really have to be honest about what I believe in if there is going to be any progress, and you should hear about it because if I just held my tongue and played into the current nonsense that is force-fed to us, none of us would realize that anything could be potentially wrong, and we would never solve anything.

You think what make europe, europe is its laws and institutions? You can export the courthouse/legislative model anywhere. It's the people paired with the institutions they create. So when you import by the millions some of the most uneducated people on earth your gonna get problems. Inb4 my women and children they are here for a better life. You ever see jewish refugees pulling soykaf like this after WWII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOkRfYHYJU8

>>3611 >neurosuggesting that a rape committed by a muslim on a white european women is somehow worse than a rape committed by a white european man on a white european women. wow that post is absolutely delirious it shows a way of thinking in "us vs them" therms on a national/racial basis that is the most bluepilled thing I've ever seen. The enemy is the rich, not the different. It's quite funny to see people claiming that refugees are "chimpanzees" when their real problem with them, the real issue that matters above all the economic and social ones is the classic, primitive "THEY STEAL OUR WOMEN" thought. Whilelhm Reich was right, after all: if fascism still continues to come back anytime it seems to be defeated, it is because man is basically a beast.

>>3611 Thanks for the blog update.

>>3613 It is though. Us vs Them mentality is what everyone does all the time. You do that on ideological and political level all the time to "fite da ebil raycists" and you don't acknowledge that EU officials caused this massive ILLEGAL influx of people that are ready to commit a crime. Even you say "the rich is the enemy". There you go with your us vs them mentality. US vs THEM mentality is rightfully used here.

>>3615 Thanks for your worthwhile input.

>>3617 Wish I could return the sentiment. It does seem you don't know how bans/warnings work around here, I noticed that.

>>3616 a) it's not illegal if it's endorsed by the law b) whether or not it's illegal has nothing to do with whether it's moral c) You're right, us vs. them is legitimate--- when it's actually us vs. them. Doesn't seem to apply here, except in your imagination

>>2641 The quran has verses telling muslim to lie about their religion, even denouncing it in order to invade infidel space and convert them.

>>3616 It's tribal instincts. Link is very related. http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

>>3588 National/cultural identity is a spook. And an uninteresting one.

>>3624 Spooks thinks the same about Stirnerites, and routes around them.

>>3624 Spooks are spooks Nationalism is tribal instinct and humans are animals that will always help a friend who is genetically closer to them than a stranger if they had to pick. Ensuring your own survival and survival of your race is what is priority. Future for white children. Thats not a spook but drive of species to protect their own.

>>3618 Same

>>3630 Basically whenever a country went into a war to defend they did it for tribal instinct of protecting their families and friends, they didnt just blindly go because they believe in imaginary lines on a map.

>>3613 It is worse because when a Muslim rapes a white woman, it is typically very violent and ends up with her body permanently disfigured. When a white man rapes a white woman, it generally isn't that violent. It should also be said that white men basically never rape Muslim women, and history shows that millions of white women and Christian women were sexually enslaved and impregnated by Muslim men while abused by their Muslim wives, and when you try to find evidence of white men or Christian men doing this to Muslim women to even any serious extent, it simply is not there. Christianity teaches cowardice, and white women in general would love a little chimp baby born from their rape and force their white family and country to be forever stained, and such cases will only accumulate. Muslim women, on the other hand, have no love for any child born from rape, and not only is that little rape chimp killed (something I actually support) but the raped woman is usually killed as well in Muslim societies. Not to mention how Muslim women have not been raped en masse by kuffars in Muslim countries (at least by white people) and they have never experienced any population boom due to having their women raped and impregnated by outsiders. However, this has happened to white women many, MANY times. This interracial empathy that only white people have is destroying us. We think that Muslims mean us any good, when they do not. We believe that we've done the same things to them as they have to us, but we haven't. We think that we are more evil than they are, but we are not. Europe is currently being chimped out, and no one has the courage to stop those animals. If you want to prove me wrong about what I have said, you can, but I doubt that you will be able to. Rape is in the Muslim's blood; they are a tainted, evil tribe of animals. You all like to think that we are all equal in our flaws, but we are not. We've never harmed their women through mass rape, sexual slavery and forced pregnancy and now we're going to face extinction.

>>3645 > now we're going to face extinction. Well I guess that's just Darwinism. You believe in evolution, right?

>>3646 It isn't really evolution when white women will be enslaved by sub-human Muslim apes and forced to give birth to ape babies.

>>3647 If we're the strongest, we'll survive. Sounds like you don't agree with the theory of evolution.

>>3649 We aren't the strongest anymore. And in a way, we never were. Christianity emasculated white people and taught them to forgive the ones who harm them and to never harm the women of your enemy. Islam ensures that you never forgive and that you will take the women of your enemy as a sexual prize. We should have done that to Muslim women, but we didn't, because we are simply too emotionally weak. We've grown to be cowards, believing that Muslims have the same kind of hearts as us, when they do not.

>>3645 > and when you try to find evidence of white men or Christian men doing this to Muslim women to even any serious extent, it simply is not there You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go read about the Crusades.

>>3650 > we are simply too emotionally weak My mistake, you weren't denying evolution then. > We should have done that to Muslim women So that's what you're really after. I see.

>>3651 No real evidence for the crusades, and that was only one time. On the Muslim side, there is the harvesting of slaves from Iberia, the Balkans, the Mediterranean, the Caucasus, Ukraine, the Armenian genocide, Boko Haram, ISIS, and so on. Slavery in and of itself would have led to millions of raped and impregnated white women by those savage chimps. Where are all the poor raped Muslim women who were victimized by white men or non-Muslims? Oh, that's right, they never fuarrrking existed, idiot. Those evil monkeys are a cancer that is growing exponentially on the world and I wish that their women experienced all that their men had ever done to non-Muslim women and more. It won't ever happen, though. And that's because we're pussies.

>>3653 > all dat rapin > I wish that their women experienced all that We all have fetishes and fantasies, Lain. I like to be peed on for example. But the point is that you wish we were as evil and despicable as you think they are.

>>3654 Just keep on engaging in moral superiority. It's going to be okay...even if we're being raped and enslaved, at least we're still better at heart! You do realize that moral superiority is a sign of masochism, and is used by the losing side of a conflict as a defense mechanism, right?

>>3653 > and that was only one time > Oh, that's right, they never fuarrrking existed, idiot. Guess who didn't even finish the first paragraph on Wikipedia. Your opinion is discarded as uninformed. If you are willing to do your research and then discuss the minute differences between the peaceful Christianity that gave us the Crusades that burned and raped whole cities and the fundamentalist Muslims that produce all the violent soykaf you are talking about, I welcome your commitment. If not, go back where you came from. Thank you. not a spam not a spam

>>3655 >It's going to be okay...even if we're being raped and enslaved, at least we're still better at heart! I'm going to quote The Doctor here. "They can shoot me dead, but the moral highground is mine." If you're willing to sacrifice your values and morals to preserve yourself, then you've already lost the parts of yourself that matter.

>>3658 In order to protect the innocent women and children who would become breeding slaves if I wouldn't, I'm more than willing to take that route.

>>2519 What I don't like about this type of rhetoric is that it denies the muslim immigrants of humanity. Sure accepting them means increasing criminality and terrorism, but moving to a richer country also helps them enormously, it alleviates a lot of suffering. Whether it's a good idea is found by measuring the damages of either policy position and to see which is larger. Giving that terrorism is very rare (from cursory googling it seems less than a couple thousand a year), I would be very surprised if the improved lifestyle of the immigrants doesn't outperform that easily. Cultural friction is an important and difficult problem with no easy answers, but I don't think avoiding it is worth the cost to the people denied entry.

>>3612 >You ever see jewish refugees pulling soykaf like this after WWII Yep, noone ever saw jewish groups commit terror attacks after WWII. We can be certain of that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

>>2612 >>2538 S obzirom kako ti to šta se dogodilo bacaš izvan proporcija mogu reći samo: Wow velika stvar(Sarkazam). Koliko paničariš oko toga sam stvarno očekivao da su se 10x lošije stvari dogodile kod nas. A čovjek koji je otvorio temu je u biti pitao jeli se svakodnevni život išta promijenio, a nije se promijenio. Veliki mediji nisu napravili senzaciju od toga jer je to jedva vrijedno biti vijest. Translation: With regards on how you are throwing things out of proportion on what happened I can only say: Big deal(sarcasm). With how you are panicking I was really expecting things to be 10 times worse. And the guy who opened this thread basically wanted to know if everyday life is still the same as before, which it is. And big media did not make a sensation out of this because it is barely even newsworthy.

>>3630 So far science had not had any success in proving that anything is 100% surely genetic knowledge. Also what you described is created trough a process that is basically social conditioning. In fact the pure existence of people who do not act like that vs people who act more like that(it's on a scale) basically proves that it's social conditioning. Especially among people who have lived in positive multicultura/internationalist environments, behaviour like the way you have described is rare. Instincts=/=genetic knowledge. instincts are more like behaviour patterns, that is they are not knowledge at all(even though they might be derived from knowledge). Just because something is an instinct, doesn't mean it's not socially or culturally conditioned. Therefore it's a spook.

>>3659 next-level delusion

>>3655 It's not moral superiority so much as pointing out a glaring flaw in your reasoning. You keep repeating how horrible they are and how they should be stopped, but your suggestions are to act just as barbaric as they do (fight rape with rape). That would make it perfectly justifiable for someone to stop you in the same manner. In order to fulfill this sex fantasy of yours where you get to rape all these Arab women you might have to put the iPhone down and stop arguing on the internet for a while, then hit the gym as a start. Maybe the army will take you but there are psychiatric exams.

>>3663 >And big media did not make a sensation out of this because it is barely even newsworthy Intentions of big media can't be properly predicted. To me it sounds like they are covering up the stories (to you something else) for fear of repercussions and backlash, as you are well aware of our soccer gangs which are more than right wing. Both of us can be wrong however, this is what happens when subjective opinions clash, nobody knows what is right or wrong. Now, to you it might not be a big deal, but of course your weren't one of the people you got your car smashed and your things stolen. You weren't one of the kids that got beaten up and had their bikes stolen. If it isn't such a big deal why don't you take in a dozen of "refugees"? I am "panicking" because this is a sign of things to come. This is just a start, trust me. Our prime minister AND our president are pushing for EU-rification of Croatia which means we will bend our asses to EU as much as possible, which means more "refugees" sent to us. THEN we will see how "big deal" this all will be. Until then don't try to minimize "refugees" (aka illegals looking for gov handouts that crossed 8 borders until "closest safe country") impact and don't try to have blinders on what they are doing. PEOPLE ARE MOVING OUT OF THAT BLOCK because of those savages.

>>3666 >anything is 100% surely genetic knowledge wow, talk about denial. "hurr, 100%", seriously? 100% figures are never attainable, even by scientific measurements in controlled environments. What we can HOWEVER say that there is genetic inclination for some type of behaviors in certain environments. Because how then did a child learn their primary native language? Going to school? How did a bird learn to fly? How did a beaver learn to make a dam? Jesus christ dude, you are just in so much denial that you deny human nature all together, even your own. Just a question... if property is a spook then why do you have things? Why don't you just give them to me?

>>3676 >Because how then did a child learn their primary native language? Going to school? yes. Any infant can learn any human language. This has been essentially proven.

>>3684 >any infant >any human language kek okay

Dude, stop talking to this fuarrrking joke of an OP.

>>3688 make me pussy glitterboy

>>3675 > Intentions of big media can't be properly predicted Their intentions are to sell ads and make money. Pandering to one side while enraging another is the easiest way to do this. That's the only conspiracy or agenda they have and everyone with an IQ above 85 knows this. >>3687 ...starting at infancy, you know what he meant. Oh no, maybe you are that retarded.

>>3690 >HURR DURR im smurts Intentions of another human are hard to prove, at least in court. >starting at infancy Genetical instinct to learn a language in a child isn't learned through school curriculum of learning grammar rules. A child knows how to speak a language before coming into a classroom to learn it's native language.

>>3692 Dude, it has been proven that infants LEARN the language, not by going to school, but LEARN it simply by listening to it and combining it with visual hints. Any language. It is even how adults are able to learn a language by prolonged exposure to it without having subtitles or any textbooks. Hell, that's how I learned German and English by the time I was 6. Of course though your mother tongue affects how difficult it will be for you to learn secondary languages depending on similarity to your mother tongue. Your mother tongue however is definitely learned as well.

>>3694 >has been proven that infants LEARN the language, not by going to school, but LEARN it simply by listening to it and combining it with visual hints that's my point. I argue that beavers make dams, birds fly and infants learn language. That there is genetical instinct. That is what I said in >>3676 to >>3666 if you read it.

>>3692 I don't care what the courts say, big media are just businesses. They sell news to make money and that's simply the way the world works. I don't trust them eithr but your tinfoil hattery need not apply in this case.

>>3697 >tinfoil hat wearers are known for trusting the media >he thinks I care that he doesn't care what courts say You can't prove intentions of people behind news and media. You just can't. You can think of yourself as smart as possible, but you can't say for certainty what other people think.

>>3676 >Just a question... if property is a spook then why do you have things? Why don't you just give them to me? Property is a spook. However that does not mean that I must give it to you just because you asked for it. Here's what Stirner thinks of property: Property is anything upon which an individual can exert his power to take it as his own. In other words, if you can take it, it's yours. Or since you asked for my property, here's the other way around: It's yours if you can steal it from my cold dead hands. >>3695 Dude, the fact that it's LEARNED means it's not genetic knowledge. You could literally take a just born white infant from England, give him to foster parents in Japan and when he grows up, there would be no difference between him and other Japanese people other than his skin colour and eyes. >That there is genetical instinct. No, what >>3666 was talking about and therefore by extension you should have talked is 'Genetic knowledge'. And genetic knowledge is by definition a very DIFFERENT thing from instincts.

>>3700 >It's yours if you can steal it from my cold dead hands. Are you honestly going to say to me that you won't call the cops if it were to happen? If you don't adhere to your beliefs why would anyone else? You believe in sharing things/money and want rich people to give you their money, and I say to you (a rich man) that I am poor and in need of money. GIBBE BIX NOOD. You're acting like a damn animal. A violent one if I might add. >and therefore by extension you should have talked is 'Genetic knowledge'. And genetic knowledge is by definition a very DIFFERENT thing from instincts. trying to deny genetic knowledge is like trying to deny people having the ability to manipulate time and space. Genetic knowledge doesn't exist in same sense that beavers that never lived near a river that had trees around couldn't build dams. So, in conclusion, children can only learn a language because ... ? Common, it's not that hard. Genetic knowledge doesn't exist, genetic instinct to react to environment in expected way does.

>>3698 I said I don't trust them "either". You're getting upset now, slow down and read more carefully. As for the courts, that was your example not mine. Finally it's not about reading people's minds but simply knowing how the world and society function. I think you just lost this round.

>>3704 >I said I don't trust them "either" No, you wrote* "eithr". >slow down and read more carefully Right back atcha. >As for the courts, that was your example not mine Good job on reading comprehension. >but simply knowing how the world and society function >knowing >he "knows" No, I know. You infer. >I think you just lost this round. kay

>>3705 Defeated by logic, you resort to pointing out a single dropped vowel and resort to itemizing the post via greentext like a /b/tard. Yep, the signs of defeat are definite.

>>3707 Nah, it's just that you "know" how the world and society function. That is why you are on obscure chan being angry at another person over internet. If you "knew" you wouldn't continue this discussion, you would go out and get yourself laid, virgin.

>>3709 I'm saying things about the media that most people of average intelligence also believe. And you do realize the irony of calling someone a virgin for arguing on an imageboard while you're in an argument with them on an imageboard? I know you kids abuse the term "projecting" but this is it. Ha, if you are typical of what the far right has to offer, I think democracy is safe for a few more decades. Have a good evening.

>>3710 >that most people of average intelligence also believe "well if everyone believes it then it must be true" >he welcomes democracy representative republicanism* Also, didn't you guys want anarcho socialism or something? Why praise and thank democracy for the way it decides it's rulers? >Have a good evening. Thank you. You too.

>>3711 Shut up, commie.

>>3712 I am not talking, I am typing.

>>3713 >>3712 Stop "typing" to yourself.

>>3714 Why should I?

this thread is an embarrassment to lainchan

>>3716 >my opinion™

>>3716 agree

>>3716 Some Lains need to learn not to reply to trolls. The problem is not exclusive to this thread.

>>3731 I can see where I was being a bit psychotic, but you can't really say that there is no truth to it.

>>3733 You sound like overly smug and arrogant 16 year old girl. Probably wasn't your intention but you seriously need to learn how to handle your emotions.

>>3734 Funny, but you are right. I get too worked up because I'm alone, unemployed, was formerly abused, disabled, and very roused up when I hear about rape. I'm also very paranoid.

>>3611 You were not derezzed, you were warned because the of the rule violations in your opening post. Your further clarification on the linked post indicates that this wasn't accidental but deliberate. Based on the derailment of this thread further since that reply was made, and the additional rule violations in reply to that reply, this thread has been locked. Please think very carefully before making another thread on this topic, e.g. don't make another thread called State of Europe 2, that is just more of your hatred of Muslims . If you want to make a thread about hating a religion or its followers, then label it as such, don't masquerade it as a state of Europe thread. Regarding such threads, please remember the following pro-tip: >Lainchan is a place to have your voice heard but not a place for you to drown out others' voices. Regarding >by those psychopathic chimpanzees (excuse the slur) No the slur is not excused, this is an example of a Rule 3 violation and is an insult to Muslims, psychopaths, and chimpanzees and a sad attempt to dehumanize people using a slur. >I'm sorry if this is "racist" and if it violates rules again. Are you really sorry though ? It doesn't seem like you are sorry at all, just posting emotionally and motivated by fear as per >>3754.