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Why do you assholes keep deleting and letting people derail my threads? I'm just trying to have a rational discussion about the dangerous of early clamping on the human mind and body. All I want is to just have a calm, reasonable discussion. I have been citing papers to back up my points, and I've made good faith attempts to make a clear case for why this needs to be taken seriously.

except it's bad faith... all of it... every last shred. you're making trouble on lainchan you asswipe.

It's almost like when you allow conspiracy theories to flourish, all the worst dregs of society show up.

>>8301 appleman and co are jewish. they want this.

fuarrrk YOU COCKSUCKERS

OP is going overboard, but at the same time I am also confused as to why the threads keep getting deleted. The most recent one I saw that had some discussion (~2 hours ago?) seemed perfectly acceptable by lainchan standards minus a bit of jew naming that could be handled via deletion. Can we at least all agree that the topic itself is interesting / valid? The paper I glanced at seems to agree that delayed cord clamping has legitimate benefits.

>>8302 >>8303 OP plz don't lose it, I don't want this topic to be derezzed just because you spazzed.

>>8305 fuarrrk you glitterboy. it's pricks like you who keep getting it killed!

>>8304 Literally the whole post was off topic. Are you blind or stupid? It's got to be one or the other.

>>8304 lol, ya it was off topic. you need to be willfully ignorant or have a vested interest to say what you're saying.

He's literally spamming now... Good Faith Move there buddy.

OMG. JESUS fuarrrkING CHRIST YOU COCKSUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8310 Yes. Melt down. Goooooooooood. Yes, scream to the heavens... yes... goooooood.

STOP DELETING MY fuarrrkING THREADS!!!!!!!!!! IM FOLLOWING THE GOD DAMN fuarrrkING RULES!!!!!!!!!!1

>>8312 You sure as fuarrrk aren't now, you fuarrrking hobgoblin nigger lover.

Take a break. I don't currently know why the original thread was deleted, but I'm going to find out. Stop this spamming and confine the discussion to this thread while we resolve the issue.

I guess they really are clamping down on you

>>8315 >instigating Jesus fuarrrk, you're as classy as his sperg out.

>>8314 lol, he's STILL at it

>>8315 they're going to clip his wings

YOU fuarrrkING glitterboyS KEEP DELETING MY POST!!! fuarrrkING STOP IT!

>>8319 You keep spamming it. Just calm down and hold on.

>>8320 This guy also spammed a conspiracy theory about 5G. This is a bad faith actor, plain and simple. He is told to stop, starts spamming. His topics ALWAYS go off the rails into namecalling and horrifying things about blacks and jews. Honestly, get rid of this asshole.

>>8320 IT"S NOT SPAM, ITS TRUTH! fuarrrk YOU

>>8322 it doesn't matter how true it is if you just spam and act like a four year old.

>>8323 OMFG STOP DELETING MY PERFECTLY VALID POST YOU COCKSUCKERS

>>8324 lol, keep making your case

>>8314 I hope you're proud of what you've done

JFC, you're all fuarrrking assholes

>>8327 >>8324 >admin says they are going to find out why the original thread was deleted >you completely soykaf everywhere anyways But why?

>>8328 it's all a jewish coverup anon.

>>8329 ...Look I have a healthy distrust of hebrews as much as the next guy, but I'm going to assume this is some larp post.

>>8330 fuarrrk you. people like you are the reason we have ZOG

YOU SHITS! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JEWS! THIS IS LIFE AND DEATH!

>>8331 Cool it with the anti-semitism, brother.

>>8333 look, jews and niggers are trying to wipe us out. if everything is muh antisemitism, then we will never succeed in surviving.

>>8332 lol who mad. u mad. so mad.

>>8332 >>8334 Lainchan won't really solve the issue. You might want to compile a paper together, get it peer reviewed, fix the issue. If you believe it is the jews doing it - I don't know what to tell you. Join the NWF or something.

>>8336 PEER REVIEW DOESNT WORK! WHY DO YOU THINK I POST ABOUT CLAMPING AND 5G?! YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET ME derezzed YOU ASSWIPE

>>8336 nobody will peer review a paper on the JQ you lapdog.

>>8339

>>8337 Why would I want you to get derezzed? I just want you to calm down and post rational soykaf, which you seem somewhat capable of when you aren't throwing spaghetti everywhere. >>8338 Thats not inherently true, you just need to build up a mass of accepted resources, then combine them into one. You think these morons actually peice anything together? They're just happy with the stipidend and control over the dialogue.

>>8340 >which you seem somewhat capable of when you aren't throwing spaghetti everywhere. Have you read his posts? It's all spaghetti all the time! >Oh look, Lainchan just silently deleted yet another thread full of generally legitimate discussion and posts people likely invested some level of effort into. >And by the way, your ümbilical cord was clämped off immediately by your medical-industrial religion. You're not a God, you couldn't manage anything for your own good, much less everyone else. Go fuarrrk yourself. ^ THAT is what he's posting

>>8341 doublepost. The "generally legitimate discussion" he's referring to is antisemites and racists talking about all manner of conspiracy theory. Zero on-topic discussion.

>>8340 >Thats not inherently true, you just need to build up a mass of accepted resources, then combine them into one. You think these morons actually peice anything together? They're just happy with the stipidend and control over the dialogue. It isn't feasible to do this when the central point you're revolving around is actively working against your every effort. You could "code" jewness into whiteness, and use that as a proxy, but that's just going to make Europeans look bad. Nothing sticks to the jew, he is ethereal and ever mobile.

lol, don't look now, but he's at it again

>>8345 This guy is a straight up, red blooded racist, antisemite, anti-science, idiot. Why is he still allowed to post this trash? He's been warned REPEATEDLY. >>>/q/8030 >>>/q/7051 >>>/q/7858 >>>/q/7710 there's more but I'm lazy. This guy has been on a tear for months.

>>8345 fuarrrk YOU glitterboy

APPLEMAN YOU'RE A HUGE glitterboy. KILL YOURSELF

>>8296 >> Why do you assholes keep deleting and letting people derail my threads? Rule 1 If you break the rules we will delete your post. Do it repeatedly and you'll be derezzed. You own posts derailed your threads. Your thread was cleaned and attempted to be rerailed 3 times before being deleted, but the reply chain went back to racial slurs instead of applied obstetrics and human biology / reproduction. >>I'm just trying to have a rational discussion about the dangerous of early clamping on the human mind and body. All I want is to just have a calm, reasonable discussion. Your tone both in the spam reposts and your original thread isn't calm and your discussion doesn't seem rational or reasonable. >>>I have been citing papers to back up my points, and I've made good faith attempts to make a clear case for why this needs to be taken seriously. Link dumps are not citations, and appealing to emotion without discussing the why , what and how isn't making a a clear case.

>>8349 Bullshit you fuarrrking kïke. I didn't do fuarrrk all to derail the thread. I provided information, exclusively and only.

>>8349 I think he's posting child porn now

>>8352 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL

>>8349 Are all these retarded threads made by one poster? I like how you make them cry.

>>8301 >questioning a multibillion dollar industry which has congress in its pockets is a conspiracy theory What's even the purpose of this term except to shut down any opinion that isn't mainstream?

He's back. Reportedly he tried this soykaf on /sci/ and got "bullied" off. The thread is an utter soykafstorm, he spends his time insulting lains with legitimate questions and asking him to actually say something without layers of obfuscation, and spamming links to papers of questionable quality. The problem is he's entirely inscrutable, he has no thesis, and just bangs on and on about us being "clamped". Seriously, get rid of this guy, he's killing the vibes hard.

This guy is a known quantity: https://pastebin.com/aYNv0zFc

>>8911 >>8912 Curious, a lot has happened since the last time I was here. There's another anon posting about early clamping. I primarily post on /sci/, you've confused two different people.

>>8913 Also, I probably ought to make this doubly clear if someone really is intending to impersonate my posting style, and is posting CP. I can see a framing taking form.

>>8913 >>8914 >I have the same methods and behaviors, but it's totally not me This guy thinks we're that gullible. Hilarious. Are you retarded??? Like how dumb do you have to be.

>>8915 Very interesting, this seems almost coordinated. Why would I lie?

>>8916 Delusions of persecution, confirmed.

>>8917 Don't quit your day job.

>>8918 Along with delusions of grandeur.

>>8392 >>questioning a multibillion dollar industry which has congress in its pockets is a conspiracy theory >What's even the purpose of this term except to shut down any opinion that isn't mainstream? Note that the fact that something is a multibilliondollar industry doesn't make it harmful. Note that the fact that something is a multibilliondollar industry makes conspiracy difficult. Wow! You really are an idiot. You are literally claiming that that a multibilliondollar industry is conspiring with something to which you refer by the word congress. You are literally proposing a theory about a conspiracy: a conspiracy theory. If you think there's something wrong with conspiracy theories generally, that's your fault. Yes, this is essentially a circumlocutive---and infinitely more interesting---way of saying: Go Fəck Yourself Idiot!

lol, deleted again clamp man. why do you insist on soykafting all over your own threads? you could have a good thread, but you keep insisting on acting like a petulant toddler.

>>8927 I don't follow. I made the thread and responded to subsequent questions, another Lain posted many links and resources, and other Lains added anecdotes, their perspectives, etc. The thread was actually relatively orderly, overall. The only real disorder stemmed from Lains trying to reframe everything as paranoid schizophrenia, papers as low quality / inadmissable, and having a general unwillingness to move apart from a meta-discussion (discussing the thread and its posters, not the topic).

>>8928 The fact you think this of the soykafshow that was that thread proves how schizo you are. Most of the "good conversation" was you talking to yourself. Seriously, gtfo and kys.

>>8929 You are utterly deranged, Lain.

>>8930 lol, you're one to talk, spammer/schizo. take your pills.

>>8928 >>8930 You keep making these posts, and the chan rejects it every single time. A definition of "Crazy" is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

>>8932 I'm not sure that I expect a different result, which may well be a different sort of madness.

>>8933 once a faggöt, always a fäggot.

>>8935 Clamped. .... ... ... ... >unclamp

>>8912 >Some random pastebin makes someone a "known quantity" It recently finally truly clicked in my mind. I have assumed I was interacting with a strange new breed of dumb person, in actuality perhaps I was actually interacting with a new breed of young person. Strange feel, but at the same time, not really.

>>8932 The world is set up in a way that, if you do the same thing over and over again, eventually, you get a different result. If doing that's crazy, the world's crazier.

>>8927 >>8929 >>8930 >>8931 >>8932 >>8933 >>8935 (No, not gonna bother putting each on it's own separate line.) These legitimately feel to me like they're all by the same person. It's just a whole lot of `no u' over and over again. I don't know if it's clampanon or their nemesis or what, but even it it's distinct individuals, it's not much of a discussion. Hell, everything before this sentence feels like it's the same person as above---for all I know, I might be the one fuarrrking up clampanon's threads and not remembering. (One thing I would want to know, is if clampanon is a clamp-truther or anticlamper; what they think about the `conspiracy' theory that clamping is an inside job i.e. clampee does it to themself..)

>>8945 Whoah, that's weird. Why does it do that with only every other post reference being a link?

>>8912 paste starts with a dozen simultaneous personal attacks and appeals to authority. Follows with more separate personal attacks or appeals to authority.

>>8947 Ignore the paste's author, and look at the citations. I too felt that they were acting like a twat instead of objectively providing the information. The connection is pretty real. >>8945 That's how their threads seem to evolve. It's a lot of similar people (by their ways of speaking) going back and forth a bunch, with very little evolution to the conversation. I think it's just one schizo producing the vast majority of the content. To what end... I couldn't even begin to imagine since I'm not deranged enough I guess...

>>8945 There are other explanations for that conversational structure. For example, there could simply be nothing to be said. It could be a preemptive action to establish a frame wherein the other Lain will have difficulty manufacturing an artificial foothold to derail the conversation, for example, if you know a poster, when ignored, will simply repeatedly flood the thread with ad hominem and double or triple posts where they pretend to be a crowd of people all disagreeing with a particular poster, etc. With legitimate engagement, their function shifts to be like a vampire, a black hole, that is like kicking dead whales down the beach out as much time and energy as possible. warps it, and turns it against you in a bad faith manner. An example of this is sealioning, and simply playing dumb. This is an effective strategy because it's relatively low effort at its core despite being able to generate a large volume of seemingly well thought out text in response, the goal being to gradually put the other poster(s) on the defensive and progressively waste more and more of their energy on correcting or otherwise nullifying an image projected upon them. This is actually a meta-conversation, dressed up as conversation in good faith about a topic, at its core it fixates exclusively on the posters themselves. Given that I'm one Lain in the matter you're discussing, and I know I'm not the other one, that's at least half of how that structure comes to be. Though I do find it very interesting to be the topic of an astroturfing theory, shoe is on the other foot, I suppose.

>>8950 >is like kicking dead whales down the beach Uh, what? That should be su cks.

>>8951 >>8950 >Given that I'm one Lain in the matter you're discussing, and I know I'm not the other one, that's at least half of how that structure comes to be. Though I do find it very interesting to be the topic of an astroturfing theory, shoe is on the other foot, I suppose. >>is like kicking dead whales down the beach >Uh, what? That should be su cks. So you're a tourist. And given how you defend the poster, you're likely in cahoots. Seems like this was a coordinated action. The plot thickens.

>>8952 >Take the fact that someone never uses a word and doesn't have a full index of every single filtered word >Grab onto it >Overgeneralize >Ignore any doubt or ambiguity, error control, and the greater spectrum of possibility, and build up a case on one narrow and absolute interpretation. >Push that case hard, loop back often subsequently, double down. >Pretend it's a discussion, but never cede any ground, try to solidify and ingrain the assertion as an underlying fact. Regardless of my actual previous presence, this is artificial leverage.

>>8953 Sounds like somebody's (you) trying to retcon their own bullshit as being somebody else to me.

>>8955 Noted.

>>8955 Also grow his apparent numbers. He's astroturfing the thread like he does his own. Creating fake agreement, fake disagreement (to appear many-sided and nuanced), and then fake outrage (cause honestly, I think the thread was hilarious. The ideas are totally incoherent and spammy. I know I'm not alone). There's nobody at fault here, it's just some poor schizo getting his kicks. >>8912 I've seen this guy on 4chan and 8kun in the past. His MO is always the same, and the threads always evolve in the same manner. I think the guy who made this pastebin is kind of butthurt about something, but I can vouch for the veracity of the citations.

>>8949 >Ignore the paste's author, and look at the citations. I too felt that they were acting like a twat instead of objectively providing the information. The connection is pretty real. I'm supposed to be the topic of that pastebin, so I can say the connections and conclusions drawn aren't all that real. It's more like stringing together a bunch of posts into a constellation, and from it a creative writing piece where naturally you come to find what you went looking for. It's a flight of fancy. Instead of reading the posts and just taking it at face value (ie, as a caricature), try to think what you actually know from what is said, and then try to break any idea you come up with (Socratic method, ie a well utilized theory of mind). A number of the posts are also false positives, eg the first pepe poster talking about TN, and the guy who was taking whatever drug for smoking cessation iirc. Eh, either way he has highlighted and preserved some pretty good posts that otherwise would've been lost to the archives, and I can't help but be somewhat interested to see how this parallel character evolves, it it will converge to approximate the original or continue to diverge. >>8958 >I can vouch for the veracity of the citations. How?

>>8959 >>8957 >>8955 >>8953 >>8951 >>8950 >>8947 Why are you talking about yourself, to yourself, with yourself, all by yourself? lol, we don't care, just fuarrrk off already and stop making a mess. >I'm reasonable, look at my well edited post >Oh, somebody made me maaaaaad, time to soykaf all over the place so nobody knows which way is up >Oh, time to endorse myself, and forgive my mistakes >Better add some more astroturf >Time to deflect >Moar conspiracy theories, they're out to get me The person who wrote the pastebin is a twat. But! The links all (the ones that aren't obvious misfires) show threads that are like this guy's, and now this thread too. He's all too busy saying "oh, but the person who made it was mean and illogical in their arguments about the content", when that's irrelevant. What's relevant is that this guy is a spammer, and that is proven. Honestly, if anybody falls for this soykaf he's spoonfeeding them, they're a sucker and deserve to live in a paranoid delusion of his creation.

>>8959 >How? If you examine the contents of the citations, you'll find the pattern matches our interloper. Pretty straightforward. >MO? check >Content? check >Thread evolution? check >Weird bipolar conversation? check It checks the boxes, all of them.

>>8959 >I'm supposed to be the topic of that pastebin, so I can say the connections and conclusions drawn aren't all that real you can't rely on somebody's word when it comes to themselves. lol, the fact you think your word has any weight on the matter shows how checked out you are.

>>8962 So aside from the need to frame everything I do as evidence of insanity, basically what you're saying is "I don't care what you say!" Right, got it. >>8960 So why do you keep responding? What's the intention here, do you see yourself as protecting others, or something else? What you need here comes through fairly muddled, I don't really get it. If everything is as you say, why not just let it go?

>>8965 >So why do you keep responding? And then there was silence. It's almost like the poster was the source of all the posts. He's talking to himself, and when he says it's enough - it ends.

>>9000 Very creative, Lain. Also my post is >9k.

Eh, I thought it'd be 9001.

>>8296 >I'm just trying to have a rational discussion Ok that sounds cool. >about the dangerous of early clamping on the human mind and body. Ok never mind I know why your threads where deleted.

>>9043 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259583/ https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/s-0040-1714258