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I am realizing that this is almost becoming a reddit, you cannot diverge from a politically correct opinion, talking about fuarrrking shi-ll takes a warning, but what the hell, I saw an anon who wanted to talk about fascism, and another one already got his ass burning because he had a divergent opinion, I remember a topic where a trans user asked to ban and delete a post for "muh transphobia", but damn it, this is a chan, opinions should be free, if the retarded want to create another echo chamber like reddit and other social networks, go there, we need to talk to appleman about it, but i know that only i will not fix things, does any anon have something to say? Depending on me, there will be no free speech bans. tl; dr we need to talk to appleman and staff about a chan's standard freedom of speech, not this current state.

Go back to /g/ if you want to cry about black dick all day

>>8065 Retard, in your damn mind only exists /g/? You dont seem to undestand.

Im all for the deletion of low quality soykaf bait and triggers, but yes nobody should be derezzed for any opinon, even if its offensive and controversial.

>>8067 This, some random soykafpost or another in a thread can be bereable, but not meta threads for soykafpost, we need freedom, thats whats about the wired.

>>8065 You seem like a new one, this chan originally was spread all over /g/ and /tech/, /cyb/ by kalyx, don't talk soykaf.

Are you new to lainchan ? This place has had triggerhappy cringe mods since it was founded. There is no freedom of speech here and there never was, and I doubt there is ever going to be. If your opinion doesn't match the butthurt mods opinion it WILL get deleted, 100%, no exceptions. If you even slightly criticize this place your post WILL get deleted (including this one). It doesn't matter if your post breaks the rules or not, if it makes the mods butthurt they will delete it.

>>8070 Well, i came when kalyx didnt fuarrrk everything up, well, i will see if the wirechan has something, will talk to the admin user there.

>>8070 But man, to be honest, i hope this doesnt get deleted, things could get better.

I remember I criticized a communist thread calling it cringe and my post was deleted

>>8073 Yeah, i remember that one, and the fascism thread anon didnt even had a chance.

Kek, mods, you can be me, but dont ban the OP, good question, i have an anwser. Women are moderators, and we know that they ruin everything

Bump.

>>8073 cringe, cope seethe, dilate

>>8064 >I am realizing that this is almost becoming a reddit You can really tell from the very first sentence that anon is going to bring in some fresh, well written and relevant criticism.

ITT: niggers who have never met the mods post kalyx and think brewing soykaf is an opinion. pic: RELATED meds: NOT TAKEN voices: IN MY HEAD Its schizo hours boys.

>>8064 lolol you think you have freedom, you've already lost

>>8064 You want to talk to me, than come talk to me on Mumble or IRC or even in this thread. This is a chan, it is Lainchan, it is not 4chan or 2ch or reddit or Facebook. You are entitled to your opinion, if it is actually your opinion and not just a spam post or astroturfing the latest meme topic with a poor or copypasted opening post. As per the FAQ, Lainchan is lame. insertnamechan is better. Either submit your constructive criticism in a /q/ thread, or go back to your favourite chan of choice. Currently you haven't actually made any suggestion, except telling me to ignore the rules (Please read the rules by the way https://lainchan.org/rules.html), in favour of letting all posts be posted because of your entitlement to whatever you believe free speech to be. Threads don't get deleted for having different opinions, they get deleted because they violate the rules or are low effort spam or copypasta / astroturf. Things you can do to help, 1. Define what your mean by free speech (do you mean the right of free speech as in the legislation , and if you do what jurisidiction ?, do you mean something else ?) Also defining what about mean by freedom helps clarify what you are talking about. 2. Write better quality opening posts , instead of writing What do you feel about insert topic here or Please tell me about insert topic here or I really want to know about insert subtopic here related to insert topic here, actually elaborate about what you want to discuss and why, and set the stage and boundaries for the type of discussion you want to have in a thread. Most of the threads that are lets talk about facism or nazism or communism or insert topic here are just poor opening posts that are derailed into argument in bad faith or spam replies by the third reply. >>8070 Your claims have already been proven incorrect by the migration of this Rule 6 violating thread from /r/ to /q/. Please read the tips on the bottom of the rules page. >>8075 We don't discuss demographics of Lainchan moderation team for privacy reasons, but it so happens that you are incorrect, this said if you know of any women that want to join the Lainchan moderation team, they would be welcomed just as any other new staff member would be. Most lainons regardless of gender, just say fuarrrk it, moderating Lainchan is too hard, I give up and don't even apply to the moderation team in the first place.

>>8087 God, you are a big glitterboy, holy soykaf

>>8090 Based

>>8087 You should pay more attention to >>8070 instead of just brushing him off because that's the prevailing opinion of lainchan basically everywhere: mods silently deleting posts they personally don't like with zero transparency or accountability. Is there at least a moderation log on the backend? Do staff members review each other's post removals? Or do you just let mods abuse their powers to shape discussions the way they want? >Your claims have already been proven incorrect by the migration of this Rule 6 violating thread from /r/ to /q/. I'm not racist, I have a black friend!

>>8087 Why would you poor gasoline on the fire by posting these comics? People use these to justify firing people for what they say outside of work or did say years ago. This is not at all what is happening here. >Define what your mean by free speech The people complaining the loudest think your website should host whatever, despite their ability to create their own website or use any of the dozens of free speech platforms specifically made for them. They do not think moderated communities should exist, but they refuse to use unmoderated communities. The people complaining about short replies being warned are irritated because they feel like they're continuing a conversation with a short reply but its being treated as an unjustified claim. I don't feel very strongly about this. Warnings have so little impact and short replies aren't all that interesting. >>8092 >Is there at least a moderation log on the backend? I do not think deletions are logged. However, all bans are publicly logged. The vast majority of bans are for bad faith replies, advertising, or shock images. https://www.lainchan.org/bans >>8092 >I'm not racist, I have a black friend! This is such a stupid line. Someone with black friends is *less* likely to be racist or *more* likely to be *less* racist. Obviously, one isolated fact, "I have a black friend", cannot provide a full picture, but just dismissing any counter examples because you've already labelled the person is an extremely unjust thing to do. AppleMan's views on censorship are nuanced enough that when he sees a thread that doesn't belong and speaks critically of him, he moves it to another board rather than deleting it for blatant rule violations. This doesn't fit the "evil mods with hidden agendas" prejudice at all. /q/, the board for complaining about lainchan, has lighter censorship than any other part of the board except maybe /layer/.

>>8092 Yes there is a moderation log, it isn't public however only staff visible. Yes staff members review each others post removals both before and after the deletion itself. >>8093 Comics were posted for meme value, judging the words of the post by image non related or image meme related , is like judging book by its cover art.

>>8092 nanoniggers on suicide watch

>>8094 >Yes there is a moderation log, it isn't public however only staff visible. Mod, I'm pretty sure I see some times ago this log (maybe a link on a thread). I'm desperately looking for it. Maybe I'm wrong and it was on another site/imgboard to.

>>8118 You mean the bans log? https://www.lainchan.org/bans

>>8119 When a spam thread is posted, which then bumps off another thread from the last page of the board, then the spam thread is deleted, does the 404'd genuine thread get restored? Hopefully it does, a lot of good threads would be getting lost otherwise. That's basically how Arisuchan got rekt anyway.

>>8140 its a imageboard not a forum

>>8155 You are wrong

>>8094 >Yes there is a moderation log, it isn't public however only staff visible What is the argument for keeping it private? >>8096 Yeah I don't know. On other chans, you do end up getting derailed and pulled in circles by schizos who simply refuse to listen and you wish there was a mod to bitchslap them out of the way. On the other hand, the problem with lainchan is you can't spend time writing long detailed posts when you know in the back of your head it might just get deleted, or the whole thread might just get deleted, with no warning. And then you blame the userbase for making short, "low quality" posts. >>8087 I think lainchan has the potential to be a good middleground if there was higher trust in the staff and transparency is key to that. Because as it stands nobody knows what the staff are deleting or why so it makes smart people reluctant put effort into posts.

>>8174 We know this won't ever happen, its appleman, not kalyx anymore, im going out of this soykafhole

>>8174 >On other chans, you do end up getting derailed and pulled in circles by schizos who simply refuse to listen and you wish there was a mod to bitchslap them out of the way. That's exactly the problem with most imageboards they lack both proper rules and proper mods to enforce them. >On the other hand, the problem with lainchan is you can't spend time writing long detailed posts when you know in the back of your head it might just get deleted, or the whole thread might just get deleted, with no warning. And then you blame the userbase for making short, "low quality" posts. >>8087 I don't see that being the case quite frequently, when I see an inflammatory thread such as "thoughts on x y or z" or "I believe x y z is cool which implies a b c is bad" without elaborating on why I tend to ignore them because I expect them to get nuked for being soykaf. I believe that the national socialist, communist and the marxist threads are good examples of an alright opening post which deal with somewhat touchy subjects. Usually if the opening post is well written the community will follow. >I think lainchan has the potential to be a good middleground if there was higher trust in the staff and transparency is key to that. Because as it stands nobody knows what the staff are deleting or why so it makes smart people reluctant put effort into posts. I don't think that lainchan suffers greatly from this, it's the best imageboard when it comes to post quality.

>>8174 I don't have arguments, however as far as I know the main reason is because of the amount of information that would have be anonymized correctly in order to make public the existing moderation log, and even when that is done, it wouldn't be useful as most records of deletions and the reasons for their deletion are stored as notes against a poster's IP and not in the moderation log. Sure I could do a lot of work and make an actual useful moderation log that could be made public, but that is work that could be put towards Lainstore or other Lainchan improvements. You can spend time writing long detailed posts, regardless of whatever anxiety, doubt or illusions are in your head. It isn't a problem with Lainchan, it is a problem you create in your head due to a sense of entitlement and a sunk cost fallacy. If you want your thoughts to be persistent on a ephemeral platform then I suggest you draft your thoughts elsewhere before posting.

>>8119 Nice my Lainon. No links on the site to foind it easilly? I'll remember the url tho, it's simple.

>>8199 >No links on the site to foind it easilly? The reason is because it just simply isn't there. There is nothing malicious to it. Everytime I link it people are surprised and it throws me off entirely, but then again I come from an ancient time where there are urls that you just know are there without needing to be explicit about it. Anyways, thank you for the heads up about the need for handholding. This assists me in many projects.

>>8087 "Being an asshole" is an entirely subjective determination that can be used to ban anyone for any reason. You might as well be calling someone a "wrecker". I concur with >>8093 that almost every time you see any of these comics on the internet, they are used to say "shut the fuarrrk up because I'm declaring you to be wrong, whether or not you violated any of the rules that were defined". I actually don't know which topics or threads everybody is upset about. Nobody disputes that admins have property rights over lainchan. The question is about whether the rules are fairly applied. "Admin can ban anyone at any time because they feel like it" is a perfectly fine rule. But it isn't in https://lainchan.org/rules.html

>>8204 The lainchan rules generally adhere to the principle of free speech, only setting some rhetorical and procedural boundaries (not boundaries of opinion).

>>8187 This literal buffoon wants his userbase to stop visiting this soykafhole Literally Joe 'Don't vote for me' Biden

>>8205 Since you made this post 4 threads who were completely rule abiding got deleted. Lainchan and free speech have nothing in common.

>>8225 >>8224 Shalom.

What is a good alternative to lainchan?

>>8238 lainchan.org

>>8239 ?

>>8241 lainchan dot org

>>8243 Something is wrong, right?

>>8246 No my Brazilian tranny friend.

>>8256 wow, reported.

>>8257 >>8249 >>8248 Don't leave your cesspool, new user.

>>8259 Whats wrong with you?

>>8238 arisuchan Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>8268 Isn't it off?

To OP's credit, the tone and content of lainchan is going downhill very rapidly. It is starting to seem like reddit and 4/8chan had a hate baby and left it here. What's passing for topics is dregs and bullshit. Honestly, I've stopped coming mostly because there's very little relevant to anything here anymore. appleman, you're a dissappointment

>>8271 cool

Y'all realize that lainchan is a sperg place, right? You don't seem to, since you're literally just sperging about it being spergy. Your sperging isn't our sperging, it's actually irritating and trite.

I don't know if it's my memory tricking me, but last year threads were less sad. I only see threads about misery, suicides, politics, and collapses.

>>8286 Buckle up Joey, the fäggots have taken over and raped the admin. It's chaos and mayhem, retards fuarrrking babies, radiation poisoning on the go, glowniggers, tubular destructovision, and a spergtastic spectacle. The admin's anal cavity is weeping alone in the chair as he spergs over "special" interpretations of the rules. Sometimes people want to make a topic, but it gets too hot. The raw boiling roiling screaming sperg just pours out over the brim and down over the board. Spergs are like animals, just hungry for the next fix. They'd mug a transgender nigger fäggot in a wheelchair with a tyre iron, just to lift his swag and a moment of peace. You seem so surprised that it is chaos, but to them, it all seems so normal. Welcome to lainchan motherfucker.

>>8287 >Sometimes people want to make a topic, but it gets too hot. I see no point in "discussing" topics that paralyze the whole chan, because everyone including the OP break the rules and spill the soykaf. Before I saw more threads about things like hobby, movies, something interesting, now there's the soykaf I mentioned. >Welcome to lainchan motherfucker. You sound like 8chan before the collapse though.

>>8286 Well its a pretty universally sad year overall with the pandemic and everything.

>>8291 This is 8chan nigger

>>8274 >sperg place >no spergs There are only sensible users who get mad at you and ask to censor other people

>>8358 I don't know what you read, but it definitely doesn't say that. >sperg place >everybody is a sperg >you're a self-selecting agent, if you're spergy Pretty straight forward

>>8257 That's Ni-chan, a mod. Reporting him won't do soykaf.

>>8287 >the fäggots have taken over and raped the admin yup. either that or he was a cyberhumped up niggerglitterboy from the beginning seeing how autistic he is, some tranny jannies could pretend they care about him and like him, and gain control. or he was one of them from the very beginning. autistic retard buying a board to have a circle of friends. but only trannies choose to be his friends, and even those are just pretending, all with the purpose of hijaking yet another chan. fuarrrk you nigger glitterboys :)

>>8645 or is it homosexuals? tranny isn't filtered, but p0zz3d and f4gg07 are. heh. either way, fuarrrk you nigger f@GG075 :)

>>8645 The mods are diverse in thought, not lifestyles. Oy vey, halt the kvetching. >>8646 You are misunderstanding the purpose of the sed implementation. They are not here to prevent you from speaking, they are tongue-in-cheek replacements common in cyberia. If you don't grok filters, you don't belong here.

>>8650 > If you don't grok filters, you don't belong here. lmao bitch nigga who tf you think you are tr4nnyf@GG0T fuarrrk OFF

>>8645 >>8651 >>8646 hate it when the schizos post on my imageboard

>>8651 Tranny...? I'm what these people tend to call "cis", I have a house, a wife, a pretty nice income that is becoming borderline absurd, considering my rather poverty-stricken beginnings, and espouse natsoc values.

>>8268 >>8653 Gay >>8655 >these people Trannies aren't human.

>>8658 ok clamp

>>8087 >muh elaborate your posts and write 1000 lines of text to start a thread about simple things >muh be clear with your posts and define every term you use Imagine being such a bureaucratic guy and trying to run a cyberpunk themed imageboard. Also, Lainchan's rules are vague and arbitrary, that's bound to generate different interpretations and discontent among the userbase and moderation. This place still suffers from the problems that happened in it's past and doesn't let go from the "no fun allowed" ethos because of the fear that it could become closer to other imageboards out there. >>8238 8kun's /cyber/.

>>8735 What's vague about the rules? >doesn't let go from the "no fun allowed" ethos because of the fear that it could become closer to other imageboards out there. What does constitute as "fun"? Mindless brewing soykaf?

>>8736 >What's vague about the rules? Lots. Definitions, limits, motivation. The thing about rules is that they should be clear, justifiable and legitimate. >What does constitute as "fun"? Mindless brewing soykaf? Not everyone likes to write an essay just to talk about a hobby or a current event. Sometimes cracking jokes and doing harmless baits is fun, it doesn't derail the topic for those who really want to talk about it. Moderation on this site tries to mitigate everything that could culminate in a little heat, it's ridiculous. Looks like the idea is to have a sanctuary imageboard, a place where people should be welcome to look and get content but very careful when posting and trying to interact.

Too many women and trannies on this site. Even 4 Chan is better than this soykafhole.

>>8775 Then leave nigger hahahahahahahahaha what are you doing here

>>8775 Oh no, is the transphobe triggered?

>>8777 >he thinks he looks like an anime girl lol

Hello, I am very new (I come here from a 4chan thread, someone mentioned it as an alternative and I am glad because now I remember the Lainzines). My earlier attempt at writing a post was stopped because it said I was a spammer. I believe it might've been because I wrote too much stuff, so I am sorry. I will try to be more brief with this post. I want to stay here and speak to people here because it seems like a cool site with potential, but I am worried about moderation and the issues concerning politics. I wanted to take a small break from 4chan because, ever since /news/ arrived and especially since 2016, there has been a massive influx of soykafposts and political trash on the site, if not the internet as a whole. However, I see that there is a discussion going on here concerning this, and I feel this may be my only chance to voice my opinion before something goes wrong. >>8087 Mr. Apple, I do not think you are a bad mod or bad person. Wanting better quality posts is understandable; wanting less political soykafflinging, admirable. However, I have to disagree on this approach simply because, to me at least, it betrays the spirit of a chan. Chans are meant to be reservoirs of true freedom of speech, places where the quality of your words are judged and you can speak freely. Now, this of course does not mean that this site is anarchy, and it should not be. In my eyes, threads that are incredibly low effort, political soykafposts that actively do not want to discuss, and spamming should be deleted. But someone's opinion does not seem like grounds for deletion, to me. If someone wants to support trans rights and make a thread about that, and another person wants to make a thread on hating trannies and saying they'll never be a women, then that should be their freedom to do so as long as the threads themselves are not done poorly and the people involved are not engaging in bad faith but simply stating an opinion and discussing. Their political affiliations shouldn't apply there, the quality of the posts should. I took a look through the announcements. It is rather obvious that the staff have leftist leanings. I think that's perfectly fine, and I think criticism on that fact is unfounded. The staff can, and should, have any opinions they want, and if they want to share them that is their choice. Personally, I simply think that this should not extend to the way they moderate, and that the Wired should ultimately be a regulated place, yes, but one where people may speak their mind without fear, regardless of outside views.

>>9223 Woah, I did not know it would give me a random name, that is very cool. I simply wanted to add something to my post if it is alright, because Mr. Apple did mention suggestions. I think it would be cool if there was a music player on the site, and/or more of an aesthetic to browsing. It is a chan, but it is also a Lain chan, so maybe a redesign to fit that would be nice. Also, I have included an image of Trypticon as a peace offering. I am unsure if my previous post came off as harsh, but to be frank I am unsure whether the moderation team is or is not applying their own political principles towards their moderation, so please take my post as an opinion on making a good chan, rather than a sort of "accusation". Thank you.

>>9224 >a music player on the site Check out the radio stations, they're very good. https://lainchan.org/radio.html >more of an aesthetic to browsing Check out the options in the top-right corner for different themes. I'm not an old user on here, and no moderation is perfect, but I haven't noticed any politically-motivated blanket-bans on topics. However, threads do get deleted if they're phrased in a low-effort way and/or devolve into all-out brewing soykaf (which is usually the case with politically sensitive/overdiscussed topics. or just spammers making soykaf threads on purpose). An interesting example are the Communism and National-Socialism threads, which, while soykafty as expected, aren't nearly as soykaf as you might expect on other imageboards. I assume that's why they haven't been deleted (or they're just containment threads). But the good thing is you don't have to discuss tired political topics on here and most people don't even want to, the rest of the internet is already saturated with them (but you still can if the discussion doesn't devolve into single-worded meme retorts and reaction images). The website is better and more fun for in-depth discussions about visual art, music, technology, humanity, weird esoteric topics, etc. I'm not even into the STEM codemonkey soykaf most of the website discusses, but the rest is still interesting enough. You seem cool, just lurk and find what interests you.

>>9225 I did not realize there was a music player and theme option. that is rather excellent. My fault for not lurking moar and attempting to activate them. Thank you for your response. I have yet to see extensive moderator issues and I do hope you are right, so I believe I shall lurk and see what there is to it. I was a bit worried when I saw stuff concerning Antifa on their announcements, but frankly I don't care so long as that does not affect the moderation of the community (to be quite honest, it would be hypocritical of someone to argue for freedom of speech but then get mad over "sjw leftist stuff" in a post, right? It should be open for everyone, and by definition that must include those you disagree with). So long as it is a haven for free speech and removes horrible stuff like incessant wojakspam or barely on topic bait threads, I am okay with it. I shall proceed to lurk and explore. Many thanks!

>>8064 >Opinions should be free No they shouldn't. Lainchan is only worth visiting inasmuch as it's UNLIKE the other imageboards. The mandatory "quality" and laminated tone can be grating, sure, fu­ck jannies, etc., but it all allows for some nice threads that could not survive elsewhere, such as places where people thrash political reruns all day, e.g. this thread, wherein some beggar >>8070 gets talked down to by XKCD's wretched door comic for the thousandth fuarrrking time. That entire world is worse than offensive: it's boring. Jesus Christ, it's boring. A board where it's cleared off is a good thing. And if I ever want to weep and howl about nig­gers, there are loads of other boards where I can do just that.

fuarrrk political correctness. I'm not here for stupid /pol

>>9229 >says: Lainchan is XYZ >lainchan: Is ABC You must be new here.

>>9223 >It is rather obvious that the staff have leftist leanings