Is Lainchan racist?

I came here a while ago from 420chan when it imploded. Iwas there for like 10 years. Before that I was on 4chan. What drove me away from 4chan was the spread of casual racism. It first started as a few funny memes, and funny ED articles. But eventually it spread, as hate always does. It got so out of controll it needed it's own containment board. Eventually fast forward a few years and every corner of image board culture is nothing but racism. The only reason 420chan lasted as long as it did as a bastion of old internet culture was because it took a hardline stance against this stupidity and derezzed all hate speech. I'm making this thread because I see casual racism more and more often on lainchan. It makes me very sad for the path this image board seems to be choosing. Tollerance, acceptance and normaization of racism, hatred and bigotry. If a nazi sits at a table of 4 people and no one stands up, there are now 5 nazis at the table. Choose love lainchan, not hate. Cue the mental gymnastics to validate bigotry....

Lainchan doesn't have casual racists, it has serious racists that are here to push an agenda. Always has, but as the site slowly gets normified (along with every other imageboard) they appear louder and louder. Also, >>>/q/

If you dislike lainchan you can always stop visiting the website instead of patting yourself on the back for doing a le heckin concern. I'm here to have far more serious, on-topic discussions than this, and have not seen any problem there. At best you probably got baited in a thread I ignored and are now running with what you were desperate for intentionally as some sort of personal validation. That's not how we do things here.

>>12211 Insisting that there should be an absolute uniformity of opinions is a bit ridiculous. If you want to use a platform where there is no "hate speech", then go onto literally any mainstream media site. You can just use a proxy email and temporary sms for registration. As far as the various webrings go, they are plenty of trannies. You have mastodon. You have the fediverse. What I don't understand is how THAT is what pushed you away from using an imageboard. No mentions of privacy concerns, no mentions of it being a fed honeypot, no mentions of post quality. I think you just want to police what other people say. And to be honest, I can't tell if you are being ironic, because it seems very ridiculous to soapbox here of all places. You are playing a caricature.

welcome to the chan, man. Congragulations, you are now a nazi. Please leave your weed in the gutter out front, and make sure you keep your armband clean, uncreased, and presentable. HH

Who is this we you talk of? >>12213

>>12212 This is not true nor factual not only you spitball such fibs and lies but also make a narrative about it.

>>12211 what bastion OP? >>12215 poor satire is not a good look for you and especially about the state of this website this board since it has not been like this at all five years ago

>>12217 You got me, I made up racism on image boards. It's never happend ever.

>>12214 OP expressively criticize the quality of the site though. It is literally there in front of you. 'Eventually fast forward a few years and every corner of image board culture is nothing but racism.'

>A uniformity of opinions What? I feel like im taking crazy pills here. Racism is a unformity of opinions. Im expressing the exact opposite thing man.

game end your life negroid >>12221

>>12218 satire? who, me ? ridiculous! >>12221 you're asking to ban your opposition because you don't like us, so that you only have to deal with people who agree with you. Sounds like asking for uniformity to me. Got to ban people because, uhh, tolerance and diversity and soykaf. FWIW certain slurs are already de resolutioned like k1ke and f@ggot. (weed users are niggers)

>>12223 OP wants to remove bad faith nonsensicals from this site. Remember when lainchan mainly talks about lain and not current day pessimism.

Wake up new doxxx just drop its so over sisters

>>12224 Thank you for understanding.

Send me a friend request, we can talk.

>>12224 then maybe he should have explicitly described his desired change/s in order to keep it from sounding like he wants goons to be wordpolice and thoughtpolice for him, because thats what the OP comes across as.

>>12228 I feel I did. I directly expressed my issues and my feelings about them. If the other poster could understand this than so could you. I'm not using metaphors or speaking in riddles.

>>12223 >kike >glitterboy The words aren't censored, it's just for-fun filters. I say that, I've been here since like day 3 or something like that. >>12224 We always talked about current day stuff. Did you just completely miss 2015? It was non-stop lulzposting about trump/sanders/hillary, mixed in with hacking/mathematics/philosophy/etc. You just missed it all, I guess. >>12229 Hiya James. I'm not going to leave, but maybe you should try to understand instead of trying to be a bigot about it. I'm so open-minded that I figured out how to actually spell fascism, I learned about third positionist theories, and so on. It's not as genocidal as you probably think it is. I'm not saying become a national socialist or whatever, but understand that the only reason violence gets on the table is because of people like you trying to shutdown conversation without any genuine points outside of you don't like it / it doesn't fit in your worldview. It'll be okay, man. But if it really bothers you, you can always make some custom js filters that block out words like "nigger" and what not. Change it to like "Kind african american gentleman", "Pass the Dutchie-man" or something fun like that.

Next thing you know the site is filled with jewish celebrities like trump, putin, and whatever other ugly ones are being pushed by the media Happens everywhere when it's an election year in USA

I'd like to think most people here don't consider themselves racists. I for one don't agree with racism.

>>12211 >If a nazi sits at a table of 4 people and no one stands up, there are now 5 nazis at the table. Sorry, tourist. Too busy tawking about computers and lain to be your personal army for a tired campus chant, and whoever's triggered enough to porn spam isn't changing that. I'm going back to /lambda/. /nontech/ was a mistake and hell is other self-righteous people.

>>12230 >420chan lasted as long as it did as a bastion of old internet culture was because it took a hardline stance against this stupidity and derezzed all hate speech. w0t is hate speach and what u meen 2 take hardline stance against it. explain like im a bantu >I'm making this thread because I see casual racism more and more often on lainchan. It makes me very sad for the path this image board seems to be choosing. Tollerance, acceptance and normaization of racism, hatred and bigotry. wut iz casual racism in praktikal termz pl0x. u just sound like spitting out bruzzzwerds iz very sillee methinks. iz id bad 2 say i dislike sumting about da negroid races? or teh mixergenerated spawn uv iberians in ameriga? i hab reezuns n sheet, sumtimez is tropical 2 convesashun! >le nazis bad mmkay mmmkay

>>12230 >the only reason violence gets on the table is because of people like you trying to shutdown conversation without any genuine points outside of you don't like it That is *really* not true. Political violence has always been a central tenet of fascism and all its descendants, it has always been how fascists take power. That's not unique to fascism nor is it even necessarily a bad thing. Arguably any political ideology that is unwilling to go to war is a failure from the start. Just please don't pretend to be peaceful pacifists that are only acting in self-defense. Fascism is a proactive ideology, the whole point is to instigate. If you actually have read fascist theory like you said you have, you know that. Anyway, OP, imageboards have always been where people go to say stuff they can't say IRL for whatever reason, which includes racism. That's why we've had 100 /vent/ threads. Have you ever actually used an imageboard before? >If a nazi sits at a table of 4 people and no one stands up, there are now 5 nazis at the table. I hate this "you're with us exclusive or you're against us" BS. You hear it from all sides. Stupid contradictory worldview.

>>12234 srrry folx am idjit!!!! ment 2 respawnd 2 dis bost:: >>12229 srrry

>>12235 I'm against it because every community it touches it takes over. You said it your self, its a proactive ideology.

>>12237 >every community it touches it takes over. That's not true though. Lainchan is far from overrun by fash despite having had fascist users since the start, and I'm on a certain chaotic imageboard that tends to troll fash until they leave.

putting your whole irc handle as your name on the board shows a lack of understanding for what makes image boards good in the first place.

>>12237 You're the only one promoting it here, back into your rat tunnel

>>12211 As i use mainstream social media i can assure you greatly that only slur-saying is only censored for exmple. The edgy wannabe hacker 15 year old scizo still spit bile and hate the jews, black people etc very fuarrrking openly. So lainchan and other image boards are the only exception in which you can simply say nigger. The absolute, dehumanizing state as if we're back in the 1930's is ever present in both mainstream and underground parts of the web. Offline though thank fuarrrk they're just virgin fat incels and can't move very well so bashing their skull is easy if they ever get dangerous. Also it's very fuarrrking ironic that people who are with fascist italy , or have ethnostate views with mandatory relocation of people, that support and have always supported colonial expansionist causes, worry about free speech. As if they're the most harmless liberal.

It is because not enough users are reporting posts. When i report someone for their polslop it often gets deleted.

>>12241 That's one rectum ravaged apeface lmao

>>12211 What do you mean with racism? That people have a hatred for certain races or ethnicities? That's not racism. That's prejudiced discrimination based on racism. Lainchan is not of that caliber.

>>12221 Racism is hardly a "uniformity of opinions". People who want to ban speech always do this. They exclude everything that disagrees with them, and then claim that they allow all kinds of discussion within that domain that agrees with them. Leftist communities do this all the time (i.e, just don't be x). It reminds me of the Hundred Flower Campaign under Mao. Oh yeah, please give us all the criticisms you want! Just don't be a "rightist" exploiting this glorious opportunity, or we will you throw you into a labour camp! It's easy to see through. The kind of community you want is not the opposite of a "uniformity of opinions". It inevitably becomes more and more restrictive. At this point you are just gaslighting people. >>12241 >Offline though thank fuarrrk they're just virgin fat incels and can't move very well so bashing their skull is easy if they ever get dangerous. Also it's very fuarrrking ironic that people who are with fascist italy , or have ethnostate views with mandatory relocation of people, that support and have always supported colonial expansionist causes, worry about free speech. As if they're the most harmless liberal. Got to love it: "my enemy is pathetic and weak, but we must also prohibit their speech to stop them from threatening us!" What a joke.

>>12242 >Is it racist You niggers are such sensitive little clitori; Get touched or breathed on and you start moaning this same glitterboy diatribe ruining the internet, as if "Reported" is your superpower. Kindly suck a dick and pout your sopping wet pussy nonsense somewhere else. The most important thing here is quality posting and good discussion, something Polworld simply does not bring to the table. To simply detract from all conversation by insinuating popular standards are superior and injecting your childish fairytale antiracist bullshit into every conceivable space you limit the function of counter cultures as their intended: To say fuarrrk you, nigger. Russians are subhuman orcs. Is this something you would report for racism? Africans are subhuman orcs. Is this something you would report for racism? Stop sitting on the fence and jump off something taller. I'll address dipshit double standards in whatever way I feel is appropriate.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST,Always argue in good faith and avoid using personal attacks.)

>>12246 They want to feel like victims wherever they go, the victim complex is a symptom of our time where people feel they need to be babied all their lives

>>12235 >Political violence has always been a central tenet of fascism and all its descendants The central tenets were unity, anti-usury, and removing outsider influence via media. Historically speaking, the violence, in pretty much every way, was a loss of patience with people who shout down ideas rather than counter/argue them. However, I don't think it matters in this thread. I've never really had success in discussing the ideas here because people are uncomfortable with them and so I don't like to. Incidentally, I'm not actually a nazi or anything like that, I just put in a lot of effort to learn about the "far-right.", "far-left", and walked away understand their "noble goals", but the issue tends to be in the application of those ideas. I'm sure you get where I'm going with this, but people are pretty bad at applying theory. Lately, I've been learning more about practical skills, like bookbinding; gardening; and archiving. It's much more interesting than political philosophy because people don't tend to feel very strongly about it. Well, I guess some people get a little upset about the archiving, but that's why I rarely bring up how I acquire the archived material: "piracy" >>12237 Every political ideology is proactive. Just keep your bullshit to yourself. We don't have nazis running around saying stupid soykaf until people say soykaf like "hurr durr muh nazis" and there's a distinct smell of an actual "far-right" user and a opportunist trolling the soykaf out of you. See: our IRC interactions. Let's be honest, you know exactly who I am and if you couldn't see that we were fuarrrking with you after you said something about racism/nazis, you're not thinking clearly or you are new to imageboard culture. It's okay, but hang out and get to know the people here because this is a really nice community.

>>12241 >>12245 >my enemy is pathetic and weak I'm actually very strong. I open jars for my mom all the time and I can bring like 18 bags of groceries in the house from the trunk of the car.

>>12213 Ignoring an issue doesn't make it go away

>>12249 dang your mom must love you a lot. 18 Bags is a LOT! >>12250 maybe its not an issue and this guy from 420 chan is just a looser trying to stir up soykaf over here because the weird chemicals have rotted his brain till all he can think is faux liberal platitudes and buzzwords.

>>12248 >However, I don't think it matters in this thread. No, your revisionist history doesn't matter in this thread. >Lately, I've been learning more about practical skills, like bookbinding; gardening; and archiving. It's much more interesting than political philosophy because people don't tend to feel very strongly about it. I don't think the lack of feeling very strongly about it is what makes it more interesting. There are two things that make political discussions uninteresting: one is that most people that are willing to discuss it online have a personal grudge against every ideology that isn't theirs, and two is that most keyboard warriors have developed conversational cliches to "dunk on" their opponents rather than really talk to them. Every conversation is a battle of the cliches. >We don't have nazis running around saying stupid soykaf until people say soykaf like "hurr durr muh nazis" People definitely do bring up nazi stuff all the time, and I don't believe it is always just to "trigger the libs".

>>12252 >No, your revisionist history doesn't matter in this thread. Oh, now I'm a revisionist? No, I'm well read and actually know what I'm talking about. No, I was a good little liberal and took "be open minded" to heart, so I gave all the "evil" a chance to explain itself. I've spent nearly a decade asking questions and researching into this topic. Hell, I even understand monarchism, despite being entirely against the idea of a king/queen, but I can certainly correct whatever misunderstands you may have about the serf-life and how the average person would have more free time as a serf than living "free" under capitalism. But that doesn't mean I'm here supporting the idea of serfdom, because I don't. At all. >Every conversation is a battle of the cliches Like how you did the exact thing I said "rather than counter/argue them." and you're just throwing around bad faith accusations? Yeah. This is why I prefer to discuss non-political subject matter. Most people are too dishonest and egotistical to do it properly, as you said "...have a personal grudge against every ideology that isn't theirs..." which is clearly including yourself into this. Or maybe they're just intellectually deficient, that is to say, they don't have the tools to entertain a thought without accepting it. I just don't know, but I'm okay with not knowing, I just know the interactions are less than desirable. >People definitely do bring up nazi stuff all the time To be fair, I'm only able to refer to my own experience here, I don't see it happening, but I'm also not everywhere so I'm willing to admit I could be wrong about this. However, I also contend that it's possible that what you think is "nazism" is probably not actually related to nazism at all and more just certain brands of assholery you fit into as a caricature of "nazi."

From all the places, this board has consistently displayed the least amount of zeitgeist diarrhea per post. It's usually a good refuge from the madness of the news cycle and silly politics struggles until someone craving attention pollutes the board with their dim witted take. But since we're already here, I might as well respond to your drivel. I mean you talk of "hate" like it's paint that got all over the floor, as if it's some sort of almost physical substance of its own instead of what it is, a feeling of concerned urgency, a reaction to what is considered a threat. You post this image of a heart as if it means something deep while apparently not understanding that one can not love something if they're now willing to protect it from undue destruction. The stance towards that destructor being hate. And I see more and more of it thanks to the type of politics which is pushed by people who say what you say. And before you brand me as one of your long worn out insults, you must understand that even now I'm probably still a much more principled egalitarian than you are. And certainly was some years back before I had to reconcile with the unpleasant realization that multiculturalism has failed. One can not be meritocratic when everyone else is tribalistic. Populations are thrown together who're too different to meaningfully get along as if it's some grand social achievement. A growing number of military age men increasingly feel disenfranchised and a stranger in their own countries. This will not end well just like it didn't just less than a century ago. A comically small time frame historically speaking. The pendulum can swing back very fast. This frightens me. The people who push this lunacy and believe themselves on the top right now, thinking they're now the eternal victor of this culture war might have overplayed their hand. Many of whom are ashkenazi jewish, many of whom believe in talmudic teachings and believing themselves to be the chosen people, jewish supremacism basically. Are doing a disservice to the greater jewish community, many of whom to their detriment side with their radical individuals out of tribal reflex. Likewise the negro community is playing the victim card whenever they can while being the prime source of violent crime wherever they're numerous enough. People who've been worse off just the past century managed to get their things together with not much crying but that doesn't stop BLM from setting entire streets on fire, with people occasionally still inside the buildings cuz us is angry and sad! Do you think the people living there or owning the shops, or anyone else watching wouldn't reconsider their views? Or the islamic world flooding into Europe, thanks Obama! Who basically own the place now with sharia police, violence, rape and the occasional beheadings don't make people more xenophobic there? And the hundus and han chinese pouring in as a way to take over the west more so than to just seek the opportunity in a more humane civilization? Is pointing out how inherently collectivist the majority of the world is, being "racist"? Or that this experiment is a self destructive one and bound to fail? And from its ruins you will have highly radicalized people who become even more inward oriented just to make up for the perceived wrongs they felt while having endured the collective punishment for the deeds of their ancestors? These are real issues that will bite us, no matter the tone policing you manage to accomplish by making stupid threads such as yours. And we're heading into uncertain and likely chaotic times thanks to these poorly considered and ill faith sentiments just as yours. I hope the next thread is going to be something interesting about puters and lain and stuff.

obligatory *chan was never good everyone is racist

>>12211 Yeah I'm racist, so are you. At least I'm not also a glitterboy.

>>12230 If you mean by /r/ then sure however if other hobby boards were to be mention then it is a complete and utter no. >>12233 what happen

>>12230 There is a difference between a theorem and praxis. >>12235 War is achievable without the means of weaponry nor harm. >>12238 The latter what you speak are falsehoods or a mere anecdotal perspective. >>12239 James is a common name.

>>12243 Bad faith regardless of its content is still bad faith much like this post. >>12244 And you just state the common definition of it. Bias and prejudice are not the same as one requires rationality while the other mere radical disdain. >>12245 Absolute good is unattainable unlike common good which is desirable. To tolerate is to be intolerant.

I think that whenever a community reaches a state of collective psychosis where it only posts about one thing over and over again obsessively and in a masturbatory way it kills everything else and any quality discussion. This happened with 2016 when everywhere was invaded by red hat lovers. The lovers loved so hard that nothing else could be loved. Now I see an even more destructive psychosis stemming from s0yj@|/D0t9@rty It wouldn't matter if the 9@rty was people who loved queers or if the 9@rty was about the most wholesome set of perfect radical values. The problem is that it is a psychosis driven madhouse where nothing else can be said, all expression is dead, and everyone taking part or being forced to witnessed is having their brain rot through their eye sockets. You want to know what collectivism looks like? What groupthink and thoughtpolicing looks like? What it feels like to wrongthink? Go to the 9@rty or be unfortunate enough to succumb to one of their raids. I for one think the cancer should be purged everywhere and people should recognize it for the eternal September trash it is. Lainchan already does this, what else could you ask for?

>>12266 It's really nuts. I've already tried to talk to site admisn about this issue, they dont see an issue because "free speech" is the order of the day. Any actual free speech gets punished in favor of the status quo, because bigots are extremely sensitive.

>>12267 >bigots are extremely sensitive You're losing your mind about the word "nigger". It's just a word, nigger. >Any actual free speech gets punished Like what? I'd love an example.

>>12211 I am very glad I get to call niggers niggers, glitterboys glitterboys and trannies men. Feel free to call me a cracker, it's fine. There's plenty of echo chambers out there for you if you can't stand it. And don't attempt your "tolerance" gaslighting, you're anything but. Open your mind sometime, will you? Heil Hitler. Have nice day. >>12253 >No, I was a good little liberal and took "be open minded" to heart, so I gave all the "evil" a chance to explain itself. I'm the exact same way. It's why I took a great interest in figures such as Hitler, especially since people around me seemed very scared to even speak his name. Funny how life works sometimes. >>12267 >because bigots are extremely sensitive. The irony. No self-awareness, as usual.

>>12267 > Any actual free speech gets punished in favor of the status quo, because bigots are extremely sensitive. I don't see how this is the case. You came on the IRC, made some dumb remarks, you got made fun of, then you left. You weren't forced out, you left on your own volition. If you came on the IRC again, you'd be ribbed for acting dumb for a bit, but people wouldn't silence you, unlike what you wish to do to others on the IRC. The IRC has always accepted political views from every angle, people argue and get over it. Unlike your unfounded hypothesis, it is not overrun by people you ideologically disagree with. Also making a thread makes you look like an easy target, you are effectively trolling yourself by making this thread then namefagging

It makes me really sad chan culture only continues to devolve. You call out this obvious issue and it just brings out the worst who only spew reactionary garbage. I'm not surprised, fascism and bigotry require a disconnect from reality. But I wish these people could touch grass and realize we're all in this together. I miss when lainchan wasn't (openly) like this, this all feels like a psyop atp especially with the absolute lack of good faith discussion. >>12211 I won't name drop but I recognize you James, it's nice to see you're still here. >t. lain irc old user

lol whenever anyone dares criticize the rightoids they get all sensitive and cry about "free speech" >NOOOO U CANT TAKE AWAY MY N WORD NOOOOO FREEDOOOM UHHHHH WAAAH WAAAAH Of course these are the same sensitive glitterboys who cry foul and poop up the board whenever someone posts something they don't like. Remember when they demanded admin remove a delete a certain board on 8chan? Totally fine when the stromniggers do it. But noo le censorship. noo le freedum. noo evil leftist conspiracy to make babies gay. But hold up, since when did the fascistii believe in freedom of speech? I don't remember reading that in Mussolini or Gentilie. "muh unique culture muh racial heritage" literally identical to what the BLM crowd say, but they hate the BLM crowd for doing exactly this. OP you need to realize there are two kinds of racists, I mean actual racism not racial humor. The casual everyday normal racist and the ideological racists. The second are the kind of people who see niggers and trannys in the clouds and hate fap to BLACKED porn under the shadow of the hitler portrait they secretly printed out at school. Since lainchan attracts many mentally deranged schizos from other imageboards, there are many racists here. Why? Because most of these people were kicked off mainstream sites years ago so here they fester like an anal infection. Short answer: lainchan is racist, just not inherently racist. Replies to this thread: >ur a [insert ZOMG i said badd word :O] >ur a leftist anyone who disagrees with me is literally stalin >ur a sensitive lib how dare you have an opinion i dont like Nothing of substance as usual. You know people are deranged when their idea of freedom is the ability to call someone a nigger.

>>12319 >Of course these are the same sensitive glitterboys who cry foul and poop up the board whenever someone posts something they don't like But this isn't really true at all. I haven't seen a single "rightoid" complain about a leftist post since I got here. It's mostly just been counter-points until a left winger freaks out, flames the thread up, then mass reports it and whines to get it deleted. Actually, one time I created a thread to discussion third positionist economic theory that had some pretty interesting traction until someone decided they needed to spam the thread and flame everyone, because the idea of simply making usury/debt illegal is just too horrible. I quickly realized most liberals (I'm including capitalists) and leftists just cannot handle any genuine dialogue and the ones that can seem to understand their compatriots are like this. After awhile I had decided to delete the thread because I was too busy with academia to constantly delete these soykafposts every few hours. It used to be depressing, because I'm a big fan of learning. I'd come to leftist spaces, ask a question about literature to better understand their worldview while showing a list of a few books I have read, then I'm thrown out. Apparently, one of the books I had read was a "tankie" book and that's bad, and I'm clearly just some fascist trying to attack them or whatever. It doesn't matter how polite I am, they just don't want it. It is like kicking dead whales down the beach, but I understand the situation and so I tend to not bother engaging unless I have to. >Remember when they demanded admin remove a delete a certain board on 8chan? No, I genuinely don't because I don't go to 8chan. >But hold up, since when did the fascistii believe in freedom of speech? You just couldn't publish things if it was going to negatively impact the citizens. There were limits to free speech, this is something a lot of europeans generally understand though because they have a similar outlook. >I don't remember reading that in Mussolini or Gentilie You don't remember because you have not, and will not, ever read such books. >they hate the BLM crowd for doing exactly this No, the hatred towards BLM is the anti-White sentiment that even include genocide, but I'm happy with anyone being proud of their race. >trannys Hating trannies has nothing to do with racism. What are you talking about? I know racist trannies, racists that are married to trannies, and racists that are best friends with trannies. Stop making stupid soykaf up. >hate fap It's a bit deranged that your type tends to invent this "you hate this, so you must be it" thing, but I guess it makes sense, because you have to make up as many lies as you can because someone might believe one, right? It must suck to have to bullshit your way through conversations. I'm curious though. Do you "hate fap" to rightoid content, like curb stomping and the lynchings or whatever you think the "right" or "far-right" are about? Oh wait, no, do you hate pedos? I guess you must be one. Please have at least some sense of self before you soykafpost whatever retarded point you are trying to make... which doesn't appear to have a point. I guess you are attemping to point out some hypocrisy? >free speech Incidentally, everyone who has even mentioned free speech or freedom of speech -- prior to my post here -- has been clearly against racism in this thread. So, you're not even right about that. All you've done is build up a caricature/strawman and attacked it repeatedly. >inb4 you give a genuinely good response lol jk you aren't capable of it.

>>12319 >Replies to this thread Missing from that list is "projection". Because that's all I ever see from your ilk.

>>12211 Hey OP! nice to see someone from 420 chan! Albeit not being a drug user myself, 420 chan has always been one of the best imageboards around! They always knew how to keep certain kinds at bay (I'm referring to agitators from p0l). Yes, lainchan is a little racist, you have a couple of resident polite racists/fascists here, and also every once and then someone not so polite. In another thread someone wanted to limit the time he spent of the internet, and a moron showed support and told him how everything on the internet is controlled by DA JOOZ™. I believe white supremacists since gamergate have been spamming their propaganda more or less low volume, nostop on imageboards, reddit and internet at large. Imageboards in this regard are the most vulnerable to this soykaf. Also, I noticed some words which used to be filtered are not anymore. Admin should notice that probably people spamming those words roght in this thread are having lots of fun doing it right now.

Online right wingers that infest imageboards are a mirror of everything they complain about. They are obsessed with self-victimizing minorities using diversity rhetoric to manipulate people but see themselves as oppressed victims of anti-white conspiracy. Its just the same narcissistic idpol in reverse. >>12320 >leftists just cannot handle any genuine dialogue And right wingers and liberals are any different? I'm not sure what you expect from online leftists since most of them are soviet apologist MLs who are about as brain dead as 4chan p olchuds. Its ironic that you complain about bad faith discussion but go ahead and accuse posters who disagree with you of being liars, hypocrites etc. In my personal anecdotal experience, I've found right wingers and libertarians to be more vitriolic and more likely to flame and troll than the average leftist (assuming their not a Stalin cunt). >You just couldn't publish things if it was going to negatively impact the citizens. I don't see how people who genuinely believe in this complain about people wanting to purge or limit types of right wing and racist content, which is usually argued on the basis that its harmful to the site. Unfettered free speech is not something fascists have historically believed in. Yet as soon as anyone complains about this type of content bringing down board quality, its not Gentilie you people reach for but liberal ideals of free speech. If your going to be a fascist then be a fascist and stop cherry picking liberalism when it suits you. Regardless of what BLM does, I find it hard to accept that people in overwhelmingly white majority countries (whose governments have a documented history of genocide) are genuinely afraid of genocidal sentiment being directed towards them. Social networks created the liberal mania for victimhood, puling mental gymnastics to prove how you are part of a tragic oppressed group and society is against you, then all the right has done is come along and flip it in the opposite direction. Its just the same online oppression Olympics. "anti-white hate" is just another way people can pose as victims because being oppressed is trendy now. >I'm happy with anyone being proud of their race. Why be proud of something you didn't choose? Its just narcissism. Be proud of something you've achieved or actually done with your life not some stupid made up label you didn't even choose. >>12322 >I believe white supremacists since gamergate have been spamming their propaganda more or less low volume, nostop on imageboards, reddit and internet at large. Feds are known to promote these ideologies online. They create the threat then run to congress to inflate their budgets. If you look at all the figures popular with online fascists/racists many are connected to government agencies or bankrolled by think tanks and interest groups. Then you have liberal social media brainrot encouraging this soykaf by being so heavy handed it pushes people to the right.

>>12320 >I haven't seen a single "rightoid" complain about a leftist post since I got here. It's mostly just been counter-points until a left winger freaks out I've seen some right wing users respond with bigoted insults and no substance, which got moderated, but looking at the thread afterwards the absence of these comments made them seem more civil than they were actually being.

>>12326 >And right wingers and liberals are any different? I find liberals to fall into the same camp, but most of the right wingers you complain about are still under the liberal worldview umbrella. You know the people who call people "snowflake" despite being a somehow even larger one? It's not just the MIGAtards, but it does appear to be most of them. But you are complaining about fascists, which aren'ty "right wingers", they're third positionists. There is a massive distinction in that they reject both marxist dervatives and liberal capitalist derivatives. I shouldn't have to say this though, if you knew what you were talking about. So, you're either being dishonest or you're full of soykaf. I don't care which it is, I just want you to know that everyone knows you're doing it and maybe you'll find something of value to say instead of just brewing soykaf strawmen. >you complain about bad faith discussion but go ahead and accuse posters who disagree with you of being liars, hypocrites Did you fail to understand how accusing your supposed opponents of being self-hating racemixer fetishists is being dishonest? No, I'm responding in bad faith, at all. I'm pointing at what you're doing and telling you to stop being a divisive glitterboy if you genuinely want change. But I don't think you do, I think you just want to punch down and call it a day. Well, you can go do that on /pol/ instead. >Unfettered free speech is not something fascists have historically believed in Now that is a correct statement. >Yet as soon as anyone complains about this type of content bringing down board quality, its not Gentilie you people reach for but liberal ideals of free speech. First, I'm not a fascist nor am I a national socialist. Second, that's actually a rhetoric tactic. You should know this one, Alinsky's Rule for Radicals. >overwhelmingly white majority countries What? Which ones are "overwhelmingly white majority"? The only countries over 90% have less than 5 million people. But wait, we are defining White to mean "of european ancestry" and not mixed with other races, right? We don't have a way to roll this back after pandora's box is opened. We cannot roll back if it's done, and when everyone realizes this is a bad call, the only option is to actually remove or eliminate the people who are fuarrrking it up. There are no other options once that point happens other than some pretty vulgar action. It's not like we don't have historic events to prove that people are capable of this, especially when they feel there is no other recourse. Unfortunately, too, a lot of european countries no longer track race. Why do you think this is? It's to hide what's going wrong. France, Germany, etc. It's not allowed, because of various laws that happened between the 1960's and today. But look at London. 36% of London is White. No wait, that might be seen as cherry picking. Let's zoom further out. NI, Scotland, Wales are over 90%. These populations are 1.8M, 5K, 2.9K. England is 81% White (45.7M), Ireland is 87,4% "White" at 4.4M. You do see this problem, right? There are something like 8 billion people in the world. 1/4 of that is Indian, 1/4 of that is Chinese, and European ancestry makes up only 6%, or 480 million people in the entire world. With a breeding rate of 1.4, that's unsustainable. >I find it hard to accept that people in overwhelmingly white majority countries are genuinely afraid of genocidal sentiment being directed towards them. Well, you better learn to accept it or ignore it, because it's happening and growing at a pretty fast rate. We do not want to be genocided. But then, who does? >whose governments have a documented history of genocide Not Ireland! War, yes. Genocide, no. But then everywhere has a history of war. >Why be proud of something you didn't choose I can be proud of people that aren't just myself and their accomplishments, I'm proud of having people similar to my genetic code doing great things, and I'm hoping to add to that list of accomplishments. You see this as narcissism, but I see you as deracinated and I just feel bad for you because of it. It's not narcissim, it's caring more about the collective than the self and using the self as an avatar for doing great things for the collective. If you can't understand that, it's of no real consequence to me, but it is like kicking dead whales down the beach to be such a bigot that you can't understand other people.

>>12329 >But you are complaining about fascists, which aren'ty "right wingers", they're third positionists. This is just disingenuous nitpicking. Third positionism was about geopolitical alignment: which ideological bloc to side with during the Cold War (Western bloc or Soviet). Since the Cold War is over and there isn't a black and white choice between two superpowers and their respective ideologies, third positionism is basically redundant as a geopolitical position. Its separate from the left-right spectrum which has always been relative anyway e.g. Lenin was right wing relative to radical anarchists and Rawls was left wing relative to a social conservative but on the right of Marx. I'm not sure why you'd be so obsessed with labels like this anyway. I mean, if your this radical underground free thinker why do you care what people think? >First, I'm not a fascist nor am I a national socialist. Second, that's actually a rhetoric tactic. You should know this one, Alinsky's Rule for Radicals. You see this is what I mean by dishonesty. Here your implying I'm a radical leftist and all your doing is simply mimicking the tactics "my side" use before invoking the Alinsky book fringe conservatives are obsessed with. Your not really responding to my argument but trying to score a win by appealing to people's sense of political tribalism. Let's assume for the sake of argument that I am an ultra-leftist and follower of Alinsky, would that have made my point any less valid? The far right does not support the idea of free speech, but when they feel threatened they claim to just be exercising their right to free speech. "Freedom for me but not for thee." You can't be for censorship and for maximum free speech at the same time. I'm not going to get into a discussion on race statistics with you because its pretty pointless and anyone with an internet connection can fact check. I'm just going to point out two things here. First, I suspect your preemptively moving the goal posts by tinkering with the definition of white. Second, why are you so paranoid that whites are globally speaking a minority? I mean, there is no such thing as a homogeneous Asian culture. There's Chinese culture, Japanese culture etc. "White" isn't a culture. Sami people in Scandinavia don't share the same culture as Italians in New Jersey. Blacks in Georgia don't share the same culture as Masai tribesmen in Kenya. I can understand people being proud of classical Roman art or French literature, but there is no white art or white literature. There is no "white culture" under existential threat of loss. As for your genocide claims, give me an example of a non-white government, not some tinpot black nationalist or jihadist over in buttfuck nowhere, that is actively engaging or inciting a genocide against a white people in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. AFAIK there are only two pending genocide cases at the ICJ, one against Israel and another between Russia and Ukraine. Right wingers love to play the South Africa farmer meme, but if your so confident in your beliefs then explain how your example involves a systematic violation or incitement to violate the Genocide Convention. Why stop there? Why not file a lawsuit at the Hague like most people who believe their being genocided have done for the last 70 years? >I can be proud of people that aren't just myself and their accomplishments, I'm proud of having people similar to my genetic code doing great things, and I'm hoping to add to that list of accomplishments. Let's rephrase that. "I'm proud of having people with same AB blood type doing great things, and I hope to add to that list of accomplishments." or "I'm proud to have brown hair and having people with the same hair color as me doing great things, like George Washington and Jennifer Lawrence. We brown haired people sure are good and we should be proud of our achievements. I hope to be a great brown haired person too." Its so arbitrary. Its kinda sad you've chosen to build your identity around something so pointless and decided to tie yourself to great figures in the past you have no real connection with beyond looking vaguely similar to them. >But wait, we are defining White to mean "of european ancestry" and not mixed with other races, right? We don't have a way to roll this back after pandora's box is opened. We cannot roll back if it's done, and when everyone realizes this is a bad call, the only option is to actually remove or eliminate the people who are fuarrrking it up I don't wanna be that guy but just wanted to point this out. I mean, you people love to claim everyone is too sensitive but when you imply people should be "eliminated" because of racemixing, is it any wonder why people don't like you and don't want you guys around?

>>12361 >As for your genocide claims, give me an example of a non-white government, not some tinpot black nationalist or jihadist over in buttfuck nowhere, that is actively engaging or inciting a genocide against a white people in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention USA

>>12361 >Third positionism was about geopolitical alignment: which ideological bloc to side with during the Cold War (Western bloc or Soviet). This isn't true, at all. I understand why you think that, but you don't know what you are talking about. 3P existed before the 1900's, it was in development at the same point of Marxist critique of capitalism and when nationalism was beginning to become a more popular perspective. >if your this radical underground free thinker why do you care what people think? There's a pretty clear divide between how we think and view the world. Don't worry about it, I guess. It's just another one of those things you won't be able to understand. >Here your implying I'm a radical leftist Not at all, actually. I figured you'd be familiar with a popular book that talks about things that have existed well before hand. I've not made any presuppositions about you except what you've responded with. I'm happy to report that you responded in a way that was better than I anticipated, but it's not much better. Although, I think I understand why and it's not necessarily you being completely dishonest. >You can't be for censorship and for maximum free speech at the same time I'm actually opposed to free speech and I haven't once mentioned being for it. >tinkering with the definition of white I was clarifying my definition of "White" because usually people bring up "define White" around now, and I find that to be the most agreeable one when it does have to come up. >I mean, there is no such thing as a homogeneous Asian culture There's the division thing. Yeah, personally, I'm actually more concerned with an Irish ethnostate and I don't care about anything else. But if we need to unite the european races under one banner to counter it, then I'm fine with that, too. >give me an example of a non-white government What are you talking about? It doesn't require a government, but pretty much every "western" government is actively engaging in this. Actually, we have proof the CIA was pushing diversity and racemixing in Estonia, specifically to children. Plus, throughout Europe, the amount of pro-racemixing appearing in official documents is staggering. There are books for african men on how to "get" certain european women, that are promoted by various media agencies. I understand how you fail to see this for what it is, but that's a problem of convenience more than a deficiency on your end. There should be nothing wrong with wanting to have a homeland for one's own people. >Why not file a lawsuit at the Hague like most people who believe their being genocided have done for the last 70 years? Well, despite the fact that it does fall under the definition of genocide, they will not allow something like this to go through. This isn't particularly unexpected as we've seen countless failings from the United Nations, explicitly listed off by Gaddafi in 2009. We clearly cannot rely on such a system that is ran by the very same people who promote such things. >Let's rephrase that Your rephrasing is superficial and shows that you just do not comprehend the worldview. This is why we cannot find a middle ground or a place to genuinely have a discuss. >when you imply people should be "eliminated" because of racemixing I'm not saying they "should" be. I'm saying that's the path that will have to be taken if we cannot halt the progress of this issue. Now that we've reached the end, I've some observations I want to make. You appear to be having a comprehension problem. To be clear, I see that you very clearly can read and understand what I am saying, but I'm talking about the backend of the content that you seem to be struggling with. I don't know how to fully correct this issue for you so that you can understand why so many people feel the way I feel, if not stronger, but I recommend the taking of one's own ego into account while trying to talk about something. I'm not saying you're an egomaniac or anything like that, I'm saying that a lot of times, ego can prevent people from being able to learn and understand what they're not accustom to. For example, when dealing with cultures different from your own, it's best to try to understand your own bias and find a way to reach out to understand that other culture. You don't have to accept the culture, it's just healthier in the long run, really just for yourself if anything, to understand what brings someone to a certain worldview. This conversation is kinda boring, I run into this so often and I don't really enjoy them anymore because it's usually the same stuff over and over, so i guess you can have the last word(s) if you prefer. Any responses after aren't mine. Have a good day, lainon.

>>12211 This Lain is racist. What should I do? Where should I go?

>>12361 > give me an example of a non-white government, not some tinpot black nationalist or jihadist over in buttfuck nowhere many would say South Africa as you acknowledge >non white every S.A. President has been Black African >not tinpot black nationalist nor jihadist this is a vague standard. Not jihadist sure. As for the tinpots IDK. >buttfuck nowhere Well they had nukes so arguably a major power but they gave that up (back when they had prime ministers). Historically was important for trade around africa, I think suez reduced but did not destroy its import. And suez has its problems from time to time. As for the genocide, genocide is allegedly: any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. 'In whole or in part' is a horrible choice of words as efforts to apply this have agreed, but your request was re the 1948 gencon so I'm not going to think too hard about efforts to apply it, and just the definition itself. By this standard an individual murder could easily be genocide, but not even that--causing serious mental harm to members of the group is genocide. I dont know about 1948 but by the linguistic standards of today as regards mental health, a single bad movie might get awful close to genocide, especially at the end of an otherwise good franchise, as in the case of the recent Star Wars films. Its a poor definition, and not what I or anyone mean when we say genocide, except certain legalistic internationalist autists with their heads up their arses. Nevertheless, the sex ed material I was exposed to in my overwhelmingly white school experience in the USA was clearly intended to prevent births, therefore the US government is commiting genocide against whites or was when I was in school, anyway. Can bicker about state vs federal but beside the point. Is the US gov non white ? Well Obama was president for a while so idk. Lots of jews up there too, and this guy whos maybe irish or something so not that white afterall ehh. >why dont you go to the hag because they're the enemy look what they did to my boy milosevic. Besides what does it get you ? Some UN troops hanging out watching what they think is a genocide but not intervening and when they do (well when the US does) bombing civilians and lol even managing to hit the chinese during a war in yugoslavia. Or maybe you get the Rwanda treatment. The Hag's business is mostly humiliating aging gentlemen. The UN was supposed to get these war things under control 80 years ago and went on to immediately fail repeatedly. Both are jokes. >George Washington had brown hair I'm going to argue this though anyone with an internet connection can fact check it because George Washington had red hair as everyone knows.

>>12374 >not what I or anyone mean when we say genocide The problem with the word is it has moral condemnation baked into it, but I think for most people, most of that comes from the horrific mass murders it is historically associated with. So if someone is trying to use it in a way that does not involve mass murders or even necessarily any direct oppression at all, this comes off as slimy rhetoric; trying to smuggle the automatic moral condemnation through with linguistic sleight of hand. Even if the possibility your offspring go against your wishes to produce mixed race grandchildren somehow meets some definition of genocide, the word isn't itself a case that there's something wrong with it, or that anyone other than the people choosing who to form a family with have some greater right over that decision.

>>12374 >many would say South Africa as you acknowledge Interesting choice of words. Well here's just something to keep in mind. Since the genocide was enshrined as a crime under international law, there have been no shortage of groups claiming they are/were the victims of genocide. Each of these groups send diplomatic delegations to foreign countries, try to file their cases at the Hague, make petitions to the UN general assembly or the security council, or get some foreign power to lobby their cause. So that begs the question, why don't the whites of South Africa do these things? If even Palestinians can gain some traction abroad and even Ukraine's claim of genocide received some international backing, why can't white South Africans do the same? If the ICJ is weighing in on claims made by the likes of Ismail Haniyeh, a wanted terrorist, what's stopping Ernst Roets from going to the Hague? Generally, people facing the existential threat of being wiped out will do anything to stop it, including appealing to the UN even if it fails or contacting foreign embassies. AfriForum has the financial resources to do that but the fact they haven't is rather strange. Let's take a look at the supposed experts on genocide and international law. How many of them have gone on the record saying there's a genocide or plausible risk of genocide in South Africa? AFAIK none. Note, these people aren't exactly reserved. They have a habit of claiming everything and anything is a genocide. They jump at the chance because they are employed to litigate these cases or weigh in on them. Even they haven't jumped on the South Africa genocide bandwagon. So we realize this "many" turns out to be a pretty small group of people and even people who do push this idea don't seem to be pushing it all that hard. Would a people facing an existential threat of death be so lax and lazy? Ernst Roets claim there's a risk of genocide in South Africa against his people. Which begs the question, why is he still living there? He doesn't behave like a guy who believes the threat of death is hanging over him. He loves to make a hubbub in the press about farm killings and genocide but beyond giving a speech at a UN forum he hasn't actually done anything about it. Why no lawsuits? Why no ICJ case? Why no ICC? Why no letters to the general secretary or the security council? >every S.A. President has been Black African Uhh... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_of_South_Africa I don't mean to nitpick. I understand you mean post-Apartheid South Africa but before Barrack Obama there hadn't been a black President in US history. That doesn't really lend any weight to claims that the US is engaged in a genocide of blacks as some schizo black nationalists claim. >Its a poor definition, and not what I or anyone mean when we say genocide, except certain legalistic internationalist autists with their heads up their arses. Well, the word genocide was coined by the people who wrote up the convention so you can't really say "that's not what I mean when I say genocide" because those legalist international autists invented it. So you either except the concept of genocide or you reject it. You can't claim that a group is the victim of a very specific crime under international law and then turn around and say you don't even accept the definition of that crime to begin with. >By this standard an individual murder could easily be genocide, but not even that--causing serious mental harm to members of the group is genocide. I agree its poor wording, but the intent is pretty reasonable because a state could just destroy a minority in a territory it seeks to occupy and claim its not genocide because they only killed off part of the group and not all of them. e.g. People who claim the expulsion of Poles in Ukraine during WW2 wasn't genocide because if they wanted to do a genocide they would have just invaded Poland and killed off every Pole in existence. In such a case, the genocide convention would still apply (although not retroactively). > the sex ed material I was exposed to in my overwhelmingly white school experience in the USA was clearly intended to prevent births, therefore the US government is commiting genocide against white The wording of the convention is clear. There has to be a sustained effort to prevent births within the targeted population. So this falls apart unless you can prove the sex ed you received at school was specifically aimed at reducing white births while leaving other races intact. I'm not going to argue with you when it comes to the incompetence of the Hague and the UN but like I said before, any group facing the existential threat of being wiped out and annihilated would try to get help from anyone and everyone, even people who aren't likely to help them. Even mob bosses would call the cops if a chainsaw wielding maniac broke into their home so that begs the question, why have none of the proponents of white genocide ever tried their case to international attention? Why haven't they gone to the UN? Why aren't they going to embassies and contacting NGOs like crazy? If the Hague is willing to entertain Ukraine and Russia accusing each other of genocide, what's stopping white South Africans? Its because white genocide is a political grift. It's idpol meant to galvanize voters and satiate people's fetish for victim hood. AfriForum would never file a case in the international courts because their claims are so flimsy they'd be rejected and if that happens the power of "white genocide" as a political rallying cry would be a joke. All those white idpol types who want to loosen the definition of genocide to include a handful of whites in South Africa cry when black nationalists do the same to accuse American whites of genocide. Its the same old problem, ethnonationalists manipulating the term genocide to score political brownie points and morons on the internet attaching themselves too it out of a masochistic need for victim status.

>>12262 You are clearly missing the point. Racism is a buzz-word used to trigger people. There are different races of humans, just as there are different races of cats (that's why I posted that picture). Pointing that out is 'Racism'. Discrimination is merely pointing out there is a difference between things, but that as well is being used as a trigger word to trigger people. Racism isn't hating some race. That's hatred, and something completely different as racism.

>>12380 >nitpick Wasn't aware of the 'State President' position thought they'd just had PMs before. Interesting. You seem to be starting from an peculiar premise that the ICC and international law matter and that its reasonable, nay necessary and natural that people should go to them, and if they don't then they're not serious. This is a nonsensical position. >Im not going to argue with you when it comes to the incompetence of the hague etc This looks like an acknowledgement of their inefficacy. If you recall yugoslavia it was arguably worse than mere inefficacy, the US/nato intervention was played as a way of forcing i.e. Romania to commit to the nato side while inconsistently playing the war in service of US elections, and as for stopping violence, didn't really happen, maybe made it worse. Its like you're telling me, or S.A. to go to a barbershop. Says on the sign in front that its the best in town. But the pictures, even the ones they boast as their greatest work, look generally terrible. Some people even come away with scalp injuries! And the best looking results they seem to merely not touch the customer hair at all. On top of this its expensive. Yet you say that if one really cares about his appearance he must go; its the best in town. And if you refuse, well, this just shows you know deep down you are truly ugly and a good haircut would just draw attention to your misshapen head and ugly face. Silly! >why no XYZ letters lawsuits? Are you quite sure this hasn't happened in any way at all ? I find no mention but can't say I *should*, and seems some behind the scenes discussion could have taken place with nary a news story. >words and definitions Genocide is a great coining. It fits right beside homicide and patricide and all those other -icides. If it was coined to mean what this convention definition states, then it was coined by a deceptive trickster who wished to mislead. In any case once coined a word leaves the control of its deviser, and in common use genocide means far closer to the obvious definition than the convention's one. But sure, in ICC context it means something else. I shall put a sign up in my house that explains that within these walls 'bathroom' means 'garage' and vice versa, and chuckle at the idiocy of my next house guests should they ask to use the former without reading the arbitrary redefinition. >people want to loosen the definition reread the definition. Its breadth is worthy of comment. Wounding a single person (perhaps mentally only!), with the right intent (an inscrutable quality) is genocide. At the same time I could kill every last chinaman in china because I individually disliked their pallour and no other reason, and this would not be a genocide! So much for reasonable intentions. To return to S.A., if even one man shouted to kill the boer, as at least one of their recent presidents has, and then went on to kill (or harm) a single boer, then this very much looks like it meets the convention's definition, does it not? You have intent as expressed in the song, then injury to a part of the group. A homicide is a homicide, and that is the killing of a man. Why cannot a genocide likewise have a simple definition, the killing of a genre of man ? This is rare, yes, but we regard attempted and failed homicide, especially which drastically wounds the victim, as grave and serious in addition to successful homicide. Intent likewise, matters but does not matter entirely. In the end the question is whether UN/ICC matter, and are capable and likely to help and not harm. From what I can see its not clear, but the odds of the former are negligible and the odds of the latter are low.

>>12361 >There is no "white culture" under existential threat of loss well then sub out 'white' for 'Aryan' or 'Indo European'. Its all the same, and yes there is rather a lot of white culture. Don't miss the forest for the trees. The enemy seems to regard us as a cohesive unit, so for some purposes I say we are.

>>12388 >You seem to be starting from an peculiar premise that the ICC and international law matter and that its reasonable, nay necessary and natural that people should go to them, and if they don't then they're not serious. This is a nonsensical position. Well, they do matter. You really think South Africa or Ukraine would be going to the ICJ if it didn't matter? People imbue these institutions with meaning. Its certainly not necessary to go to the ICC or ICJ, but any group that believes itself to be under existential threat would at least try because, at bare minimum, it would raise global awareness of their cause. Pretty much everyone who's cried genocide for the last 70 years has filed cases at the Hague. The fact the "white genocide" AfriForum types haven't done that is suspicious. If I kick down your door and try to kill your family, your probably going to call the cops even if you hate law enforcement and think they're incompetent. Its just general human survival instinct. >This looks like an acknowledgement of their inefficacy. It is. But why does the efficiency (or lack thereof) have any relevance to the law in this situation? The question isn't if the UN are a bunch of worthless desk jockeys, but if the situation in SA (as it pertains to white South Africans) is a violation of the Genocide Convention. i.e. "has the law been broken?" not "are the cops good guys?" these a separate issues. You might be tempted to say "well the cops write the laws right so they could be biased" but of course that makes no sense because international lawyers and state diplomats crafted the Convention not the enforcement body. >Genocide is a great coining. It fits right beside homicide and patricide and all those other -icides. If it was coined to mean what this convention definition states, then it was coined by a deceptive trickster who wished to mislead. Sure, the diplomats and lawyers of 122 countries who drafted and signed it are all one single trickster out to manipulate the public because they hate whites. Go it! There's denying that states have their own self-interests and international treaties are shaped by compromise between different parties, but you make a claim here you don't bother backing up. Was it made up by a single trickster, who? Its designed to mislead, who does it aim to mislead and where to? Your claim the Convention is a clever redefinition is absurd because it was the Convention that defined genocide in the first place. Before that, the term "genocide" only appeared in the Nuremberg incitements where they are defined as >systematic genocide—viz., the extermination of racial and national groups—against the civilian populations of certain occupied territories in order to destroy particular races and classes of people, and national, racial or religious groups, particularly Jews, Poles, Gypsies and others. Even if we use this primitive definition, the situation of white South Africans wouldn't meet the criteria, or at least nobody has demonstrated that it does, not least by those who actively push the narrative of white genocide in SA. >A homicide is a homicide, and that is the killing of a man. Why cannot a genocide likewise have a simple definition, the killing of a genre of man ? It's pretty fuarrrking simple anon and the killing of a genre of man is exactly how the convention defines it; or to be more accurate that is included within the parameters of the Convention. Article 2 spells it in words so simple a 10 year old could understand. The problem here is you haven't proved your case so you've decided to attack the Genocide Convention on very flimsy grounds and make up some inane sophistry about definitions. Again, point out to me the systematic campaign to exterminate whites in South Africa. Where is the proof? >Wounding a single person (perhaps mentally only!), with the right intent (an inscrutable quality) is genocide. If you'd actually bothered to read the Convention properly you'd immediately see its full name is "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide." i.e. it is a treaty designed to address how genocide, attempted genocide, or incitement to genocide ought to be punished and prevented. You can in fact be in violation and not have killed a large number of people, because that way people who attempt and fail at genocide would be exempt and the drafters had the foresight to address that. You can attempt to carry out a genocide and totally fail or try to incite one and these acts would still fall under the Convention's provisions. >I could kill every last chinaman in china because I individually disliked their pallour and no other reason, and this would not be a genocide It would be genocide (or at least a plausible case could be made that it is) because in this hypothetical instance you've specifically killed Chinese people to the exclusion of others, hence a racial or ethnic distinction factored into targeting them and them specifically. So yeah that would be genocide. >To return to S.A., if even one man shouted to kill the boer, as at least one of their recent presidents has, and then went on to kill (or harm) a single boer, then this very much looks like it meets the convention's definition, does it not? Julius Malema is not the president of South Africa and never has been. For some added context, Malema is a Marxist who admires Marx and Lenin (both white men) and he was found guilty of hate speech by a South African court. The key wording of Article 2. states "genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" In other words, it would only meet the standard of genocide if that single Boer was murdered with genocidal intent. i.e. if you can prove that the killers were members/supporters of Malema's party, that they showed no regard for that Boer as an individual and simply sought to inflict harm on any member of the group and intended to wipe them all out, that there was some organized campaign by the EFF to specifically target Boers with the intent of destroying them as a collective. If a black South African stabs a white man and steals his watch, that's not genocide any more than a white cop shooting a black kid for robbing a gas station. What AfriForum does is take separate events (individuals committing crimes against other individuals) and try to connect them with the statements of a fringe politician, but there is no reason for us to assume they are connected. If a black guy went out and stabbed a Boer, then bragged about killing Boers and chanted "kill the Boer" and if this was happening at a very frequent rate immediately after Malema makes anti-Boer comments, then maybe there'd be an argument here. So far, this link hasn't been demonstrated. In fact, a significant number of whites vote for Malema's EFF and the party runs white candidates. https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/eff-has-surprising-support-of-young-white-voters/ If we were to lower the definition of genocide specifically to cater to those who have an undying faith that a white genocide is going on in SA, then that would make 9/11 a genocide, the treatment of blacks in America a genocide, the invasion of Iraq a genocide, wars between Bloods and Crips a genocide. Any individual crime between distinct groups would be a genocide and that's absurd. >>12386 >There are different races of humans, just as there are different races of cats (that's why I posted that picture). Yet no serious biological anthropologist agrees with that https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199766567/obo-9780199766567-0206.xml https://pressbooks.calstate.edu/explorationsbioanth2/chapter/13/ >>12407 Great, let's shift the goalposts from genetics to linguistics. Fine. Just know that Afghans, Indians, and Germans are Indo-Europeans. Does your idea of "white culture" include Hibatullah Akhundzada or Sadgh Guru? Is Priyanka from the Punjab the same as Mark from Michigan? If so, why do the German AfD types chimp out whenever a fellow Indo-Aryan moves in next door? There is no "white culture" no "black culture" no "yellow culture." Greek is a culture, Swedish, Irish etc. but there is no "white culture." Go read what ancient Greeks thought about northern Europeans, they didn't consider each other to be part of a common white race. The Romans thought Celtic, Germanic and Gaelic populations to the north were dangerous barbarians not fellow whites. Go read what Caesar wrote about them in de Bello Gallico. All this hubub about muh white race and white genocide is where social media brainrot meets neocon propaganda. Its no different to lunatic black nationalists moaning about white devils and evil yakub and TikTokers who think they're the rebels in Star Wars because they weigh 300 pounds and have pink hair. Its just vile idpol narcissism and the oppression is so rad and cool thing done to give people some sad sense of meaning in life. You hop yourself up on a identity and a big historical narrative to make up for the reality that your just another cog in the machine, a disempowered slave of the system. Everybody has their own version of this soykaf nowadays.

>>12380 >what's stopping Ernst Roets from going to the Hague? Only countries can do so, not individuals. >>12408 >and the party runs white candidates. She is a candidate for a student council. Did your school not have one?

>>12408 >Yet no serious biological anthropologist agrees with that Why don't I get one of your word vomit replies? Perhaps you are unable to think for yourself and thus hide behind what 'the experts' think? While it's tempting to call you a troll or nonfat-soykaf drinker, calling you a sh ill is accurate: this is just another one of those threads that attempts to influence the discourse with 'progressive liberal' thought. First you make an accusation, and then you discuss in bad faith, all the while trying to force through your narrative. This thread is bullshit.

>>12211 >If a commie sits at a table of 4 people and no one stands up, there are now 5 commies at the table. Communism is an ideology of hate. People talk all this crap about "nazism", but never does it occur to them to look up historical facts and put them into context. Yes, Hitler did some bad things, but every leader in all history did bad things. To use the holocaust as a barometer of evil ignores all the crimes leftists had committed in the decades preceding WW2. Then there's the fact that the basis of the hatred towards "nazis" is anti-German sentiment, which is what you describe as racism. In the US, there was non-stop propaganda of racist bigotry against Germans. They even did a study to "prove" that Germans were more devoutly obedient to authority than other races. When it was proved this wasn't true, the study was quickly ended. Today German-Americans are so slavishly afraid of owning their culture because of this environment of anti-German bigotry.

>>12408 >The Romans thought Celtic, Germanic and Gaelic populations My brother is my brother, my cousins are my cousins, my second cousins are my second cousins, and my third fourth and fifth cousins are also my cousins. Extend this long enough and allegedly I'm related to mosquitos, cockroaches, and even the swedes. Relation is generally a matter of degree. Yes, the romans thought of the celts and the greeks as aliens, and rightfully so. But the navajo and the australian aboriginals, whom they did not have chance to meet, are more alien still. The people who advocate and believe in a pan hwite identity are a little silly. Yet we are cousin races and its true to say we have more in common with eachother, generally, than we do with the other groups. I'd gladly oblige my brother if he needed a free place to stay indefinitely, but my seventh cousins ? no so easily. Still, we do have common blood, and common interests.

>>12412 Under the Rome Statute any individual or organization can submit to the prosecutor of the ICC. They receive thousands of submissions. Its well within Roets reach. AfriForum can afford to go to the Hague they just choose not to. Why would they do that? Palestinians believe the Hague is soykaf and the prosecutor is biased against them but they still go to the Hague anyway. I don't see what is stopping Roets. If he'll speak at UN committees why won't he take legal action? Its not as if the UN has blackballed him if he's allowed to speak there. >She is a candidate for a student council. Did your school not have one? What does that have to do with South Africa? There weren't Jews in the Nazi party so why are there Afrikaaners in a political party that Roets claims is actively inciting genocide against white people? Who cares what kind of seat they run for. Nobody is going to run an undergrad student as a candidate for a parliamentary seat anyway. >this is just another one of those threads that attempts to influence the discourse with 'progressive liberal' thought. First you make an accusation, and then you discuss in bad faith, I'm not even a liberal or a progressive. If anyone's acting in bad faith here its you. Derailing by accusing your opponent of being [insert scare word] and rambling about word vomit instead of making a case for your stance. If your someone who thinks for himself and you believe your right, why is it so hard to make a convincing or even a plausible case for your point of view? >>12421 >To use the holocaust as a barometer of evil ignores all the crimes leftists had committed in the decades preceding WW2. Anon, type in names like Lenin or Mao or Stalin into YouTube and you'll find dozens of videos explaining all their crimes. Nobody outside of China thinks these people weren't criminals and mass murderers. The problem is the way liberals make the Holocaust out to be an exceptional evil. We associate communism and Nazism with mass murder, but we don't connect liberalism with the massacres of the Vendee or the mass killing of Native Americans. Liberals created a double standard. They white washed their own history and made Nazism into the ultimate evil. Then they created a guilt culture where generations of Germans have to grovel and apologize for a crime that happened long before they were born. Liberals judge a crime by the identity of the criminal and then virtue signal. That's why Bush is now getting all the praise in mainstream media while Trump is portrayed as literally Hitler even though Bush killed way more people than Trump ever did. It's a double standard. >Then there's the fact that the basis of the hatred towards "nazis" is anti-German sentiment This is exactly the kind of thing Israelis or Neocons or mainstream liberals say whenever anyone criticizes them. "There's nothing wrong with us, they're just hate us." Its strange that right wing types typically complain about this behavior when liberals do it but then go right ahead and do it themselves. >Today German-Americans are so slavishly afraid of owning their culture because of this environment of anti-German bigotry. In Germany it can be pretty bad. You have people who claim the Holocaust was inevitable and Germans have always wanted to rape and murder people, or guys that think everyone from Martin Luther to Wagner were proto-Nazis. I don't think its really that bad in the US. But why do you want to claim a failed 12 year old empire ruled as part of German heritage? I mean you guys have Goethe, Frederick the Great, Hegel, Kant and Nietzsche etc. Hitler was pretty soykaf compared to Frederick or Bismarck. Why be proud of a failure? >>12425 >Yet we are cousin races and its true to say we have more in common with each other, generally, than we do with the other groups. I'd gladly oblige my brother if he needed a free place to stay indefinitely, but my seventh cousins ? no so easily. Still, we do have common blood, and common interests. What does an Italian fashion designer in Milan have in common with an unemployed Russian heroin addict in Vladivostok? Beyond looking vaguely similar there isn't much they have in common. On the other hand, the Italian probably has a lot more in common with a Chinese fashion designer who works in Paris. If people have common interests based on phenotype, why did Europeans butcher each other in two world wars? What the hell were the Napoleonic wars for? They're all white and all the royal houses are blood related. Why did the Japanese spend WW2 murdering other Asians? Why did the Chinese fight alongside Americans? And if we're picking hereditary phenotypical traits why don't blonde people have common blood and common interest separate from brown haired people? They are genetically distinct. Also, if I'm loaning my house out to my brother or my seventh cousin, I'm pretty sure I'd give it to the own I know best, have a good relationship with, the one I trust the most, not judge them by blood or how close we are on the family tree.

>>12427 >They receive thousands of submissions where is the proof that they have not received submissions about this ? where can I read each of these thousands of submissions?

>>12428 The UN releases stats on these things. Its on the Wikipedia page. Just to show you how stupidly easy it is to make a submission to the ICC prosecutor, you can literally just email his office with whatever information you have. You don't need a lawyer to file a case and there's no strict criteria for what can or cannot be sent. Every communication has to be analyzed too. They at least have to look at it. https://www.coalitionfortheicc.org/how-file-communication-icc-prosecutor Begs the question, why haven't all the white nationalists and Boer separatists sent in all that stuff about farm murders and Malema inciting genocide? The process is pretty fuarrrking simple. You know what. I'll do it for them. I'll take all of the stuff put out by AfriForum, all those farm murder videos floating around, the Kill the Boer song etc. and I'll send it off to the ICC prosecutor myself. How about that?

lol why this thread became a low effort 4pol discussion why the heck are permitted such users "im not a fash, anyway *exaplains in high details the fash movement like we have an historian here*" seems a cryptofash to me, or maybe we're lucky to have a university student writing papers on fascist history for mere research, are we that lucky lainons? god, fuarrrk this imageboard, I thought it was better but apparently 2019 is also ended for me

>>12421 long live communism, long live anarchy, long live socialism, long live freedom, no gods no masters go fuark yourself and your nazi propaganda, we don't need here nazi larpers washing the bloody gloves of the bigoted dead men they simp. Change imageboard kid, here you can't convince anyone aside of convincing yourself that your stupid ideology based on dead ideas and pseudoscience still matters. Find friends instead of being an embarrassment for anyone who meet you

>>12461 I for one never claimed to not be a fascist nor meant to imply I wasn't a racist. not sure who you're accusing of being sly about such beliefs. Anyway free speech is important; even such greats as hitler and uncle ted should not be wholly above criticism. >>12462 >Cant convince anyone Maybe true today but a few years ago it was definitely not the case, and I doubt if it is entirely true today. T. moved way farther right under the influence of people met on and around lainchan. >>12439 you didnt answer the question.

>>12466 rightist influence on lainchan?

>>12467 sorry its not my fault if you can't read, but yes this place actually seems fairly politically diverse on certain axis.

>>12461 ..Are you complaining about someone having knowledge of history and politically philosophy? You sound like the caricature of a "nazi" if that is the case.

>>12468 "sorry its not my fault if you can't read" be toxic elsewhere, I was just asking because the only political soykaf Ive ever seen on this imageboard were anarchist symbols, but Im seeing that this thread is basically composed by two nazis trying to convince that their political retardism matters meanwhile the rest of Lainchan live their life in other boards >>12469 I'm not complaining about knowledge, knowledge is always good, cherrypicking knowledge to fuel your own position is totally wrong. I dont want to read all this rant about nazis trying to convince others that nazism is less worse than communism, like pretending that fascism supported a certain human progress like the leftist movement, even in its mistakes. Pros of fascism: animal protections only because Hitler cared about animal life (meanwhile all the nazis complained about his better morality like the romans sperging against Julius Caesar private life with infantile jokes), and yeah this is the only pro, Pros of socialism/marxism: basically striving since two centuries (and even before) to create a world free from humans exploiting other humans? Im not even arguing that "communism has never been tried", Im just saying that meanwhile the world socialist movement was striking and fighting for workers rights and libtards were always into the prosperity of the state economy, where were the fascists? Just asking for lobby supports for their parties meanwhile killing ppl from lower classes and literally committing ethnic genocides in a record time because of the immense sadistic nature of fascist violence. Hitlerino literally killed poor or small middle class jews, the rich jews were and are still alive kek Like the stuff "third positionism isnt about geopolitical positions", guh? Are you even blaming that lainon? The most important event in human history called "third position" was the Non-Alligned movement in the so-called "Third World" during 1945-1991 Cold War, meanwhile the third positionism in economics was a complete scam which just fueled a certain type of capitalism against other types. So we are talking about "x capitalism vs y capitalism", not "corporatism as the doctrine of both anti-capitalism and anti-socialism", because class collaboration inside fascist regimes just permitted the same capitalism you can see in a random dictatorship, where classes are still divided, there is still a certain exchange of commodities and everything fuels the same competition between nations that you already see in the liberal democracies we live or the past colonial powers. Fascist states which survived to ww2 like Spain never applied an anticapitalist economy, also Francoist Spain immediately invested in free market policies during the Opus Dei ministry. This demonstrates that corporatism, to be applied, need the financial jewishsomething order to be destroyed? No, because fascist ideology is a nationalist one, fascists advocate for autarky (you have to remind both Italy and Germany) and Spain tried a certain autarky which backfired the national development after ww2 (they skipped the war to recover from the civil war, civil war isnt an excuse for the failure of autarky). At the end, from what Ive always seen, fascists only seek support (or are followed by) the national middle class against the international middle class, just like in Italy where the agrarian landlords and army industries supported (by money and guns) Mussolini against the socialist/catholic movements btw third positionism as distributism or georgism or market socialism is always ignored ="( Do you like lainon when I talk seriously about history, just like these nazis "did"? Or should I receive more insults because of this ideology based on both verbal and physical violence to resolve differences? Oh no wait, I will be called a "commie" and stuff like that lol

>>12470 >the only political soykaf Ive ever seen on this imageboard were anarchist symbols, >accused of being incapable of reading >defends himself by saying he's seen more anarchist symbols I don't mind if you're an illiterate, this is after all, an imageboard. Maybe there is something to your strategy, or maybe the rightwangers here just have a modicum of taste or subtlety whereas the anarchists have none at all. >Hitlerino literally killed poor or small middle class jews if you'll recall the madacascar plan, the goal was more removal than eradication. Like with rats, I don't really care about killing them all everywhere on earth, but I don't want them in my house and will kill if necessary. Of course this eradication was not completed. (picture included to aid comprehension)

>>12473 fuarrrk off scum lol, return to 4chan

>>12473 I wanna excuse my past self of some minutes ago for the insults I spitted against all of you, really honorable and chill anons. I committed the crime of being inactive since 2021, and I returned not understanding that this imageboard just turned into normal personchan with some linux users if we are lucky. I'm really sorry to have insulted all of you kids, I hope you'll never pause again your third run on Needy Streamer Overload or some Hearts of Iron IV campaign for my soykaf. It was good to partecipate in Lainchan, but now is just a chan filled by edgy kiddos who can't even argue why fascism is like kicking dead whales down the beach. I remind the times where if someone mentioned anything about videogames a level 80 wizard immediately would've appear to say "don't play vidya, make them", but now I can only receive an anon (not a lainon) insulting rats and jews. I love rats, they are cute >>12211 Adieu OP, maybe you've already left this soykaf kek

>>12211 yes so true, this remember me a one specific chan only has racists, homophobics, sexists users

>>12427 >type in names like Lenin or Mao or Stalin into YouTube and you'll find dozens of videos explaining all their crimes Yes, but nobody cares if you support their ideology. >This is exactly the kind of thing Israelis or Neocons or mainstream liberals say whenever anyone criticizes them Not sure what you mean? Are you saying there wasn't any anti-German propaganda pre-Hitler? > Why be proud of a failure? I'm not "proud" of Hitler. Although, he does possess some admirable traits, and did some great things. As with Stalin, before him Russia had the plow, after it was industrialized. So, I don't know what you're talking about. >>12462 >we don't need here nazi larpers I never claimed to be a "nazi."

>>12475 >I wanna excuse my past self of some minutes ago for the insults I spitted against all of you, really honorable and chill anons am forgib >just turned into normal personchan with some linux users if we are lucky. lelele >horts of irun for faggit what do u think I am a niggroid I use free software free as in BEER and free as in SPEACH das what this thred's being about my niggro. FREEDUMBS and how OP wants to make you sign the end user license agreement for lainchan about how you won't say the naughty words that make the little cute racial minorities feel bad. maybe even cry! gladd to have FRIGHTENED stomachless toadstool of a poaster like thyself off of this chan to which u lack trooo CUMMITMENT unlike myself (steady visitor sincemany year). SORRY was too busy to reply earlier was working on my FREE SOFTWARE VIDEO GAME lol litterally. >>12474 uhm its spelled "RETVRN" actually

>>12474 Should be "can you return to 4chan and spread the word on why racism/vulgar comments needs to be stopped there?". This supports my ideology of a perfect world - everybody taking action against racism is better than supporting it IMO.

i am racist and a nazi also i guess, but i don't know about everyone else, so i could assume so. i have found that very often the type of people that are vocal about this are very narrow-minded, hypocritical and frankly not very intelligent. it also shows in the way they write, express their opinions and approach new ones. you can spot them very easily by how many brainless platitudes they pull out their ass, which are just baseless generalities such as that we are all the same, that hate is bad for some reason, and other arguments which aren't arguments at all really, most of the time it's just name-calling such as bigot, xenophobe, racist, sexist, transphobe, and whatever, which invariably betrays the absence of thought and serious reflection. if you want to know, the main reason racism just doesn't go away is because you can't make nature itself go away. group philia and tribalism is inherent to human nature and has always been the normal for our civilisation for ages, until imperialism came along and realized it would be in its best interest to demand the organization of its subjects in order to spend less effort in working with the colonies, because it craves cheap labour and does not give a damn about the people it organizes. oh, and if you think i'm saying colonialism is a right-wing thing, anti-racism also has roots in extremist french revolutionary elements which decided to tear down the evil old order using guillotines and terror and radical notions, leading to the idea that the advanced western societies must bring the glory of the enlightenment to the poor little savage negroes of africa because of universalism, humanism, as in, we are all brother man, and that if you disagree you are evil. it was, in lead the beginning by a mostly humanitarian incentive, at least when it comes to subsaharan africa. this is what lead to french colonialism, and subsequently, the broader colonial movement, because of course the british could not let themselves be surpassed by their old rival and went into africa and elsewhere as well, pulling in other colonial powers which wanted a part of the pie. and quickly there followed pure mercantile profiteering and setting up of trade posts for the empire, as we all know of course. but the initial avant-garde which sparked the move into africa has its roots in french universalism and a disfigured humanism inherited by the movement of enlightenment. i am telling you that the left-wing is literally responsible for the movement of colonialism. the jacobinists sat in the left wing of the french assembly. and that this is where so-called tolerance and acceptance and the belief of universalist humanism leads. the failure to recognize that people are not the same, that races are not the same, and that people live better among their own leads to the same situations that developed in africa, that developed in ex-yugoslavia, that are developing in america and western europe now, that is racial tension, balkanisation, demoralization and the destruction of national identity. this is what happens when you try to force people together, when even they deep down don't want to, that is nothing good. nothing good happens out of it. even now, the biggest proponent for antiracist propaganda, specifically in the western world, is the united states of america, and the reason is simple: imperialism desperately clobbering its cattle together, scared of balkanization which would spell the end of its profits and quest of domination over the world. isn't it strange that in a country as multi-ethnic and forcefully anti-racist as the usa, there is a much bigger rate and intensity of racism and race-related incidents than in an ethnically homogeneous country such as austria or norway? why do you think that is? and another question, how can someone commit racial violence in an ethnostate? the world is already diverse and multicultural, did you not know this or are you unable to board a flight to go experience other races and cultures? i like what >>12254 is saying and i agree, you're talking about hate as if it's some viscous undesired substance that's seeping through your doorstep, and not the personal tastes and often ideological conclusions borne from years of ponderous contemplation on all manners of world issues and theories. in the end it underlines what it already obvious: you are a short-sighted baizuo, and if someone shows you the moon you are prone to look at the finger. the pendulum swings. i invite you to push it as hard as you can in one direction while i watch.

>>12466 Do you have reading comprehension problems? I answered the question in the second sentence of my post. You want basicICC stats? You can find them here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaints_to_the_International_Criminal_Court >>12473 >if you'll recall the madacascar plan, the goal was more removal than eradication. Like with rats, I don't really care about killing them all everywhere on earth, but I don't want them in my house and will kill if necessary. Of course this eradication was not completed. Why is this kind of talk even allowed here? This is a lain fan site. Go back to p0l. And seriously, why do stormniggers complain about people not liking them when they come out with this soykaf? >>12491 >Yes, but nobody cares if you support their ideology. Try telling people your a neo stalinist. I'm sure they'll just dismiss it because they only hate Nazis. Sure thing kiddo. >Are you saying there wasn't any anti-German propaganda pre-Hitler? Every time you point to some terrible thing the Israelis have done they play the antisemitism card. Every time someone would point out one of Bush or Obama's crimes, their sycophants would play the "its just anti-American propaganda" or "you just hate Obama because he's black" excuse. Its literally the same thing. People hate Hitler for good reason. They should hate Churchill and Truman too but I digress. >>12497 >liberal humanism and universalism is responsible for colonialism This is actually true. But before you go down the line of partisan liberal bashing, you should also know that nationalism and race were invented by the liberal bourgeoisie of the New World who spread the idea through print journalism and mandatory schooling. The very idea of a shared "we" and a shared community or racial identity is a modern invention. Most human societies until the modern people were ethnically mixed and people lived in large multiethnic states. Homogeneity is a myth. Just look at the origin mythology of the Romans or a general overview of the ethnic make up of their society. The idea that people should live in their own monocultural ethnostates also comes from liberal humanists and was popularized around the world by Harold Wilson's 14 points. The nation-state is a modern invention and it didn't become the dominant government type until the 20th century. I ask again, why are strom users allowed here? All they do is soykaf up the boards and lower site quality. I'm all for actual right wingers and conservatives being allowed to share their opinions in good faith but the Nazis and edgy crypto-fascist "I didn't say I was a Nazi but I do like Hitler" glitterboys don't make any meaningful contributions to this place.

>>12503 >do you have reading comprehension problems? yes actually I do. I'm legally illiterate, but I muddle on as best I can. At least talking to people here, I know I am in good company. From your wiki article on complaints: >Of the communications received before 1 February 2006, 80% were dismissed Yes thank you maybe if we keep bashing eachother over the head with repetitious posts we will one day come to see eye to eye. Anyway where do I see the 80 %, not wikipedo's curated list of a distilled selection of complaints ? Must I get a guy on the inside at the ICC? If you can't answer the question thats OK I'm just assuming this list is not public anywhere until somebody proves me wrong or I find it myself whichever comes first. >Why is this kind of talk even allowed here? thats the topic of the thread isnt it. Uhm freeze peach my niggerino? >crypto fascists who in this thread is a crypto fascist. We've got multiple people saying "I am nazi" and "heil hitler". An individual post could be cryptofascist just by virtue of the fact that not everyone posts his political allegiances in every single post on the site because that would be frigging stupid. You might as well say we have cryptoanrarchists and cryptocommies. Yeah we kinda do but a lot of them are, like the nazis, open if you asks them lol. Yes sure, we have a variety of political stripes. Only thing we're missing last I checked are moderate normal people. >most human societies until the modern people were ethnically mixed To a degree, yes, to another degree, no not at all. Different genes show up in different places, you can group people by type, by appearance. mixing occurs ? sure. Foreigners sometimes come in and take over and mix blood ? yes of course. Migrations, yadda yadda. Yet out of this we get a world where the great majority of negros live in Africa, and the great majority of Orientals in asia, and the great majority of Europeans in Europe or America, and where in every respective place there are local prejudices about this or that group of persons and how they are. Even reading ancient soykaf one gets the impression that you can often tell a Greek from an Asian (read, from modern Turkey and of the same Indo European Stock) extremely easily based off appearance. Segregation, if only due to geography, is part of the basic state of the world for all creatures, and is a significant driving force in speciation. This is part of what old chucky D was talking about when he was done oggling those finchies. >>12497 >he thinks colonialism and imperialism are inventions of the second millennium fugging nazis dont know soykaf lol lmao. OK yes some of this moderne stuff was involved but we had colonies and empires long before that philosophy was formalized. Ever hurd of le Romans? of Le Holy Romans ? Of Les Persianes or Les Aegyptiannes ? Le List goes on, even in Amerigga and asia. FWIW u shud reed table tox (if u habnot) I recall the big hitter talking about this as a problem of the Jerry, his desire to conquer africa or whatever and then....immediately set up school rooms to try to turn the afrikans into Normal Human Beings and teach them how to behave properly, to no avail, and to their mutual frustration (and rather poor effect vs other countries who took a different and less didactic course of action). Of course perhaps this is what the Romans did do to many in Gyrope to some avail, but the essence of stupidity is trying the same exact failed recipe over and over.

>>12504 >>12470 >btw third positionism as distributism or georgism or market socialism is always ignored ="( This is the one thread where I didn't bring up distributionism, but consider the context. It's honestly hard to even have a conversation about this subject matter with practically anyone, because the conversation requires intense amounts of definitions before we can even get started. Idealogues want nothing to do with conversation. >Do you like lainon when I talk seriously about history, just like these nazis "did"? Yes. >Oh no wait, I will be called a "commie" and stuff like that lol Not particularly. I'd call you unfinished. >Pros of fascism: animal protections >this is the only pro Opposition to usury, which is exclusive to third position, is a pro. The marxist perspective doesn't like to talka bout usury or central banking being a problem. They always avoid it or throw around shutdown words in an attemp to halt the conversation. I'm not even entirely sure why. >Third position is a post-WW2 term Unfortunately, this is false, but no amount of discussion and correction ever fixes this. People just point at modern definition garbage and act like they have "won" the conversation. This is usually the best indicator for idealogues. >x capitalism vs y capitalism This is the only case for accusing you of being a communist. You look at these terms from a marxist perspective. You conflate "free market" and "capitalism"? That's an inherently marxist perspective. We don't need to really talk further because you don't seem to actually realize there is a difference, and I'm not in the business of giving an economic nor history lesson. >Pros of socialism/marxism: basically striving since two centuries (and even before) to create a world free from humans exploiting other humans A noble goal, sure, but not one iteration succeeded. nor will succeed. Every marxist, socialist, and communist I know is a blood thirsty fool that goes completely insane with power when they are even given a mod role. This is not hyperbole, I've been in staff positions at various places for more than 15+ years. They rarely make it for more than 3 or 4 years before they start abusing their power and destroy the community. These are the virtuous saviors of humanity? Hardly. Not that I'm suggesting you are saying they're any good either, but I don't have much negative to say about so-called "fascists" and "nazis." In fact, they usually seem more than happy to let people have freedom to discuss subject matter. Sure, I can write that off as a simply trusting in their worldview to be understandable and will be taken as correct, given enough time. But this still shows more faith in the worldviews of the "far-right" rather than the "far-left" (I'm mostly only mentioning this because of all the "censorship" claims going on here.) >meanwhile the world socialist movement was striking and fighting for workers rights and libtards were always into the prosperity of the state economy, where were the fascists? Fascists themselves? I mean, many of Italians were marxists before they were fascists, so they were probably striking and fighting, but there are plenty of third positionists that were striking, too. Hell, look at Ireland. Most of the Easter Rising's leaders were very clearly third positionists, most of the leadership of Sinn Fein, the IRA, and even the precursor to the IRA was considered "left" only because they opposed the Brits, but many were very clearly against many marxist views that created a negative attachment to such a thing. Not to say there weren't any, there were, but it's not a very reasonable thing to state you want freedom from rule across the sea, while opting into a union of other nations with regards to both social and economic perspective.

>>12497 >>12504 >fugging nazis dont know soykaf lol lmao I think he's just trying to criticise liberalism. Either that or he hasn't read Imperium or know much about Rome. I also have a concern about any people who refer to themselves as "nazi" rather than "national socialist." I mean, I'd probably still hang out with him, but people like this need to be educated better instead of just puking out made up nonsense. What's ironic, is that he's talking about the jacobists and historic events, which means he's probably just halfway there and is at least somewhat aware. But maybe he needs more time. At least he's right about how the soykaf he's talking about. >They should hate Churchill and Truman too but I digress And Stalin. :)

Government/corporate abuse is the only subject even remotely related to politics that makes sense on this site. Posting anything else that's political is blatant disrespect.

>>12506 >The marxist perspective doesn't like to talka bout usury or central banking being a problem because marxism is also about abolishing money considering that a communist stage has no commodity production logics, 400 iq here

can I be honest? I saw many better nazis and fashes, here the thread is really childish and based on complete ignorance just to soykaff against leftoids also stop saying "the fascists", you are all defending fascism down here, for the better or worse. Maybe you are just rightoids voting for conservative parties idfk I dont want to assume political positions atm, still lol just such a clown attitude to speak in third person about fascism if you are going to defend it and insult anyone who isnt one of them

>>12522 >because marxism is also about abolishing money I think you missed my point, Lainon. But I'm tired and people aren't really here to discuss ideas, they're here to debate them.

>>12211 remember back in the day when 420chan users used to spam "kill all the white people" and then kirt would proceed to ban anyone who replies to them in anger. god what am I doing here. I hate this place. I'm so lost without you guys.

If I had to choose whether to have a non-racist black guy or a racist white guy as my new neighbor, I'd pick the non-racist black guy every time. And I'm white as the driven snow. Racists of any color are trash, and I'm prejudiced against trash, no matter what color they are. The more racist messages here are overwhelmingly the stupidest messages. That's because racists are overwhelmingly the stupidest people in any group. It's just a fact of reality.

>>12973 For me, it depends on the racist. I'm a racialist, I have hard in-group preference. But I get along just fine with non-Irish as long as they aren't dicks. I can't stand those guys who run around screaming White Power and soykafting on people for just being brown. I get pattern matching and all that, but there's a difference between acknowledging the difference in races and then just acting like a cunt about it. You know what I mean?

>>12211 >is lainchan racist people do say slurs (as on any imageboard) but the site overall isn't racist imo >>12266 actually good post, the few times i've visited that imageboard it feels like i'm in a circus where nothing is genuine. >raids not even actual raids, just doxxing literal whos on twitter over "stealing" soyjak memes. >>12267 the 'teens avoid this place because they hate anime

>>12974 lol for some reason ethnics come to western countries.....

Racism is for the intellectually challenged goofs and turds of the world. No good, no peace, no hope comes of it. Any sort of racism is wrong.

>>12519 >Government/corporate abuse is the only subject even remotely related to politics that makes sense on this site. Western government policies use skin color separation for unequal treatment. That aside phenotype is not race but these npc's got indoctrinated to equate skin color to race and most people avoid futile attempts to fix the brainrot so everyone talks about racism whenever 2 people are different shades...

>>13050 >so everyone talks about racism whenever 2 people are different shades... Back before I'd met any blacks or mexicans I'd have found this an interesting comment but I think the bulk of this chan is aware that race is far deeper than skin tone, and the usual color based groupings are just shorthand for the fundamental differences which are harder to encompass. >use skin color separation for unequal treatment. uhm where exactly ? Most cases I can think of are self reported 'ethnicity' based discrimination, and ethnicity != skin color. The constitution of Liberia (most would not class Liberia as western and I don't either) uses the term 'negro' in some discriminating lines but doesn't seem to define it. I'd expect its meant racially but could argue its skin color.

>>13054 you mentioning blacks&mexicans makes me think you are american. Ive seen african american get affirmative action declined cause dude wasn't black enough and got categorized as white. Literally denied by skin color. And how does diversity quota hiring work? If you take a spaniard, italian, ... you might have 10 different countries but they get all grouped as white. They only look at skin color for the quota.

>>13055 i am still waiting for the XY revolution from the XX. once we free ourselves from the XX lizards, victory will be within our grasp.

>>13055 >Ive seen a black dude get forgive me but I presume we're talking an octaroon here, and not an albino. Octaroons are a troublesome case as you can make the argument that they're both black and white, yet neither black nor white at the same time. >you mentioning blacks&mexicans you got it pardner >if you take a spaniard, italian, you might have ten different countries Its a meme but to some degree countries are lines on a map. There are tiers of obvious groupings, if you gave someone a bunch of africans and europeans and want to draw them into as few categories as possible, he'll probably wind up breaking them into negroids and caucasoids. Add a few more categories and you'll get the swarthies and the alpinoids, probably draw a line between tutsi/somali types and the broad/flat nosers. It will take you a while time to start drawing distinctions between italy/france/spain and such*. For better or worse its easier to make a system that pretends you have like five types that even most idiots can tell apart. As for diversity hiring, main counterpoint is the asiatics, eastern and western both. West has plenty who seem to fit easily at least among the swarthier countries of europe on skin tone, and the chinese practically if not quite among the rest. Yet typically these get their own classes neither black nor white in my observation. >>13056 fuarrrk u retard either solve the problem or get over yourself and either way stop talking about it *and when you do the map you get will be a patchwork mess with ethnic enclaves, and probably a few new countries to be born and a few others subsumed by their neighbors, if its not a sea of city states and rural principalities that make belgium look like a giant.

>>13057 >either solve the problem or get over yourself and either way stop talking about it fuarrrking cowards only cry instants before the end.

>>13057 Messed up mentioning dude was born and came over from South africa with parents. So he wasn't native afro american. That's why i made him a point for heritage didnt count, his looks did. Culturally he was definitely more african than the people raised in america but his skin took priority over how he was raised. >Its a meme but to some degree countries are lines on a map language shapes how you think, laws how you live, countries aren't just borders. In general french and spain are neighbors but the gap between those 2 is culturally much larger than taking 2 guys from US west and east coast which poses geographically a bigger distance. And balkan slavs have even bigger gap and they still count into the same "white" group. cultural background and how people think & operate gets ignored in favor of grouping by skin color. >make a system that pretends you have like five types that even most idiots can tell apart. In gov its about who gets privileges. Asians were doing well so they got targeted with affirmative action. Historically you might remember reverse process where gov didn't consider irish white and treated them as slaves until they needed them and that happened again later with mexicans who also only got rights when they were needed for labor. These group distinctions are made according to political goals not because Cletus cant tell them apart.

>>13061 OK so this guy who is maybe like 12% subsaharan african black, and zero percent african american descendant of slave, was denied privileges intended for Descendants of American Slaves, and you think this is because of his skin color and not the fact that he was either a foreigner or the fact that he was ethnically not at all the target group ? He sounds like a troll, this is like the people calling Musk the US' foremost African American Businessman. >languages shape how you think, laws how you live, countries aren't just borders Liberia was founded by English Speaking African Americans (born and raised here) with a government and legal system that followed that of our states to a very great extent. The results pretty much disprove that culture etc is downstream of law or language. I think it is much more likely that these things are biological to a great extent. You can see the same behavioral patterns present in European countries today as present in their now english speaking, 'americanized' populations on this continent. >in gov its about who gets privileges In rawanda they had hutu machetemen occasionally asking their could be victims whether they were tutsi or not because it takes a little bit of thought to tell and the differences are not black and white, ahaha. If you make it like that then its really not about race or any physical characteristic or heritage at all, but a fully artificial government construct. >irish treated as slaves you're distorting the whole indentured servitude thing which wasn't really about race but economic status which has some correlation. Fair to remember that anti irish sentiment was also based on religious grounds, anti catholic sentiment being a rather strong thing in this country well into the 20th century. Matter of course further confused with the Scotts Irish, some of whom weren't even Scotts, but this is a digression. You said several posts back that govs use skin color separation for unequal treatment. These comments seem to suggest that you think this is actually false, or that IDK sometime around 1850 maybe the irish all decided to quit being blue and integrate somewhat american society. As color photography is a comparatively new invention this is difficult to disprove but I find it a tad conjectural.

>>13062 >You said several posts back that govs use skin color separation for unequal treatment. These comments seem to suggest that you think this is actually false Separate motivation and execution. The motivation is political, the execution is grouping people into skin color groups which aren't reflective of reality. Euros used to call each other not white because europe was only whites and so they played im paler than you games. The general goal is political, you define and ingroup and an outgroup and allow discrimination on the outgroup by said criteria of being not part of your group. Wrong religion, ethnicity, etc. are just tools for that. People always feel more comfortable to commit atrocities when you give them some bullshit justification. Nowadays the script flipped and everyone wants to be a diversity because that means more benefits. Same time they want to push the competition out of the benefit group to grab more for themself. Thats why the slavs who used to be called subhumans suddenly have to count as whites - if you would acknowledge their fuarrrked stratus they would be competition for receiving benefits. The latest example is some started calling asians "white adjacent" with the obvious goal to exclude them from counting part of the diverse group.

>>13064 you seem to be completely depriving people of agency and supposing they're just lead around by the noses by their governments. There is some degree to which this is true but there's a significant degree to which its false.

>>12211 >If a nazi sits at a table of 4 people and no one stands up, there are now 5 nazis at the table. holy soykaf take a look at this retard.

>If a nazi sits at a table of 4 people and no one stands up, there are now 5 nazis at the table. initially i thought the concept of banning racists from an anonymous imageboard was basically impossible, since anyone could be a racist, and the allegory was more appropriate in terms of not responding to or allowing their threads to develop. but actually its cool that 420chan derezzed woke identity politics ("national socialism") and an anti-racism policy is totally doable - i seem to recall people having breakdowns about banning porn from lainchan too, and guess what we derezzed porn leading to a much higher quality of discussion. >>12230 this is wrong, and its disturbing that you're still trying to astroturf the "we wuz always here" soykaf that nazis on every imageboard try to do. lainchan didn't even have a politics board in 2015, and all political discussion was basically quarantined to one thread only if allowed at all. The admin, Kalyx, was a free speech liberal and we derezzed any poorly formed opinion which generally coincided with racist ones. around 2015 he campaigned for bernie sanders. the policy at the time was that any opinion was allowed, as long as it was well-worded. there was imo an issue in the moderation whereby longposts that contained rule violating behavior were more difficult to moderate, which basically comes with the territory of seeing the robot9000 script as a selector for quality - aka, same reason why r9k was bad. there was also much greater animosity towards the culture of other chans that you still see here today. lulz was not really a word people used, typically, and some moderators saw it with disdain. i believe the most right-wing mod hated this exact variety of poster, ironically.

You don't have to block people. Youdon't have to block ip addresses. You can't do either one anyway if they're using Tor. All you have to do is delete the kinds of messages you don't want. If you allow the messages, then You de-facto allow the content. If you can delete cp messages, you can delete any other kinds of messages you don't want here. You either accept nazi/racist messages on Lainchan or you don't. No bullshit excuses please.

>>13108 yes. and I say lets let the nazis stay. >>13106 >lainchan didn't even have a politics board in 2015 We may not have had a political board, but we did have political people including fascists (t. I was there). There also frequently have been a lot more threads about political topics than a gander at the catalog would have made you think, because they get derezzed (did then and still do) fairly frequently. Question is just whether you want to tolerate the discussion, if we tolerate any politics then its absurd to ban racism.

>>13112 >There also frequently have been a lot more threads about political topics than a gander at the catalog would have made you think, because they get derezzed (did then and still do) fairly frequently. the disconnect is between users who came here with an agenda and moderators doing things on behalf of the users. put another way, its between mods who wanted to curate an experience without political soykaf brewing and the users who came here because of the moderation, and users who got mad about it and came to soykaf on them but found a genuinely comfy community and made peace with their situation. ill accept that people like you always used the site, but this manner of posting was generally considered an uncomfortable pestilence and hoped that not IP banning you and taking additional measures to push you off the site, instead issuing slap-on-wrist style moderation you would learn from the comfiness you experienced and stop making people uncomfortable. i think you need to accept if what you're saying is true, you still come off in a very new-user-type fashion and can only really be treated as such. the alternative would be that you made peace with the moderators deleting most of your threads and the notion that you might some day have your way. both sides were transformed in the process. unfortunately, many other old users who made the site special are uncomfortable with what you're trying to do, and so am i. if its true that you have been here for 21 years, it's very disappointing to witness you still being on this and feeling an urge to push away quality posters because they are uncomfortable when you say nigger nigger nigger without meaningful purpose. you're doing this because you've chosen to aggressively define comfort in terms of your own political severities, as a kind of abrasiveness against the community as a whole. what's more, you've specifically formed these views in what you imagine is a rebellion against the very normative-enforced-friendliness-comfort, but subside into your own variant of as well. >Question is just whether you want to tolerate the discussion, if we tolerate any politics then its absurd to ban racism. this is a slippery slope fallacy in reverse. there's plenty of reasons why a discussion shouldn't exist in one form on the site where it takes another form elsewhere. you're not simply content with having threads for the election or having an entire board dedicated to politics, you want everybody on the site to have the same opinions of you and act up in a deeply immature fashion when you don't get your way. what you've said is an admittance that you want to make any thread about politics, your politics specifically, and you don't care if you alienate or slide discussions on actually meaningful and relevant topics to the boards. lainchan continues to have a lot of high quality discussion, but used to have more. i want you to consider whether your efforts to shift the site's overton window are worth the sacrifice of intelligent, mature people being alienated.

>>13113 I think you totally misunderstand me. I'm not here to yell nigger at the top of my lungs, I do that often enough with my friends at home. I'm here because its a comfy tech and culture board and I enjoy those aspects of it. Frankly I'm not altogether opposed to banning politics, what particularly would bother me is the half measure of banning particular politics. By banning racism or whatever yet keeping the rest you create a brebbit style circle jerk and the illusion of false consensus, which is what I want to avoid. I'm perfectly happy talking to people I disagree with on here, in fact it makes things more interesting. A lot of places seem to have had better discussion some years ago, I don't think I'm uniquely contributing to decline of quality by posting sensible political opinions once in a while in pertinent threads, and I tend to assume your mature and sensible posters are more likely to have been driven off by the CP spam or the pedo apologist threads from years past, or quite likely just gotten busy and moved on to other things in life. For what its worth, if you wanted to drive me off you should be posting child porn on here, that's the stuff that makes me want to quit this site. Reading most of my posts, I don't think you'd assume the writer is a nazi. There is more to life, afterall. Sure I post in political threads when they come up but I've also got plenty of posts on here and over the years that have basically nothing to do with politics. Because of the nature of anon image boards its easy to strawman your opponent into some one trick pony, but the fact of the matter is that you and I have known eachother for years. Perhaps you were the guy who helped me to figure out that stupid apache bug some years ago, or gave me one of the good book suggestions I've gotten off this site. Maybe your post was where I first learned some shell trick that I use now continually, or one of the ones I wish I hadn't forgotten. I guess we'll never know.

>>13108 >>13112 I don't mean to abuse my trip butting in like this, but >>13106 is correct. we experimented with a "society and civilization" board at one point, which I moderated. it was very short lived and elections were a scarce kind of discussion.

>>12221 >Racism is a unformity of opinions. In !western societies, sure, but in the US it's hush hush and in Europe it's plain illegal in most countries. I'm not even racist but I really don't care because I like to proverbially rub shoulders with edgy posters, they're my own session's NPCs. My friends would be appalled if they knew I went here but I like this wild side of internet where you know there's scumbags, you simply avoid them and don't pay attention to their claims, don't engage them, it's like the low levels of some city or some online Mos Eisley, you're not forced to hate, you're not forced to love, you just mind your own business and do what you can to survive. It's an online low life etiquette to stick to and a damn fine one at that.

>>13114 It was perhaps easier to have discussions a while back when people avoided the antagonizing topics but politics invited themselves into the most remotest of places and those fleeing from what they experienced as an oppression found refuge in anonymous zones. Fake consensuses are annoying, they contribute nothing to the well being of a society if no irritating topic can be addressed, but it doesn't mean you want these same topics to invade a place, to grow in space to the point that the nature of a given locale has been altered in any direction. I cannot second the banning of politics, I prefer to avoid what I dislike, I'm not a would be tyrant but more of a lone wanderer who picks what he likes and goes back into the shadows when needs are covered. I like to escape the noticing so I would never point to my very old posts, I prefer when they're carried away in this vortex of faceless activity where people are encouraged to focus on the content and not the messenger.

>>13113 I think you're saying we should be more diplomatic about what we let out and perhaps learn not to rely on crass and simplistic jabs at some groups just to vent our frustration or as ways to have fun. This is not a call for ignoring true problems. You would find that there are plenty of racists in Asiatic countries, the pink world we've been led to seek the existence of would be the illegitimate anomaly of all. Here, simply asking people to tone it down would help. Notice please that as the society is pushed into an endless routine of outrageous drama and political bouts in the TV arena, nothing really gets done, all the bad things we could think of are on the rise and very few good things seem to make it to reach us. Even seemingly positive gains appear to have a much darker cost at a later time, which in the end puts everyone on the defensive and transforms the entirety of society into a bucket of sour grapes. >I WANT YOU TO GET MAD!

>>13125 >in europe its illegal they only make things illegal when they're popular enough they need to be suppressed. I've spent like a month in germany and not even gone to like a nazi rally or anything and I've seen guy's doing the hitler salute and shouting seig heil just out in public. No joke, and they even appeared to be german. Didn't witness any consequences either. In USA racism is on the tip of everyone's tongue and foremost in their mind. We've had the whole problem of racism shoved down our collective throats for the last fifteen+ years very aggressively. Everyone's constantly thinking and talking about it and even many liberals will confess to being racist. Its a sin in their minds, of course, but nothing (and no one) in this life is perfect. >>13128 driving a car down a freeway at high speed is an incredibly dangerous task. Death is all around you and often just seconds away. Yet no one regards it as that serious when everyone is reasonably competent and paying enough attention, and its fairly easy. But one terrible driver, of your car or a neighbors, can change this entirely and instantly. Running a state is much the same.

>>13135 You've got to accept that there's an amount of waste to any civilization, perfection doesn't exist. Some people will be on the side lines, some will die, but this should never become an excuse to pass all-encompassing changes that reduce people to babies or cogs with almost no autonomy and an obligation to report at specific times of the year.

the poltards are raiding /hum/ again with certain copypastas. picrel was posted in multiple threads, however since the entire thread was deleted mods might not know that it was posted before. you can tell that the threads are copypasted from elsewhere due to the non sequiters and capitalization inconsistencies and by searching OPs on chan archives ( https://4search.neocities.org ). and the tone and low-quality posting in the thread itself.

There is no such thing as "racism." There is only pattern recognition--a fundamentally human trait--and increasingly frantic and convoluted mental gymnastics and crimestop telling you that if you want to live among people who are like you rather than foreign colonists who have been brought in to replace you, people who speak the same language you do, people who live as you do, perceive the world as you do, then you are le bad and le evil, le worse than le ebil mustache man, blah blah blah.

>>13147 Stupid /p*l/tard. If you want to say being a racist is natural and common sense then just say it. Why do you have to hide behind sophistry? Your Nazi predecessors weren’t afraid of being public with it. Yet here you are cowering underneath clever wordplay. “Ackschually “racism” doesn’t exist but all that stuff the pinko commies call raycism is just totally normal behavior so it’s not a bad thing ackschually” You wanna yell nigger and defend the mustache man then do it you spineless coward. You worthless subhuman soykafs love to act all radical and subversive and brag about triggering the libs but don’t have the guts to speak your speak and wear it proudly. You somehow feel the need to conform while acting like nonconformists. I have more respect for klansmen in their bedsheets than you basement dwelling glitterboys.

>>13147 There is no such thing as "physics." There is only pattern recognition--a fundamentally human trait--and increasingly frantic and convoluted mental gymnastics and crimestop telling you that if you want to intelligently interact with the world rather than stumble around in complete ignorance, then you are le bad and le evil, le worse than le ebil mustache man, blah blah blah.

>>13106 Banning racism is more difficult than banning national socialism. Nazism is a specific ideology with a specific set of signs. If somebody expresses thouse opinions outside of obvious joke, they can be derezzed. Racism is a mix of attitudes and ideas, a way of treating others, and a social institution. So how can you ban racism? You could ban racist expressions, but then we'd have to agree on what is or isn't racist which can be difficult to do. Banning people from racism could improve discussion quality but this depends on the rule and how its implemented.

>>12211 I'd consider myself a racist, but I never really understood why people are so open about it or feel the need to constantly be racist towards others. I have my beliefs, but 99% of the time it has nothing to do with the conversation so there's no reason to bring it up. The people who somehow manage to bring race into every discussion they have are definitely political-brained types.

About a year latter and the answer is what I expected. I'm disapointed in you Lainchan. “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” ― Kurt Vonnegut

>>13186 Disappointing indeed James. Disappointing indeed. I guess its time to leave this place. I'll see you around James.

>>12247 In the nannystate the only ones with power of action are the ones who go crying to teacher to tell on others. That's what we've become. Asking mods to delete stuff is a greater expression of power than arguing your point. It also tells them "the higher power is on my side, therefore I do not need to defend my point, my beliefs and my position have the blessings of the moderators therefore I am correct" And then you have Reddit mods who are the same people do you just have a feedback loop of jackasses who literally cannot explain or defend their point to save their lives because all they need to do is go "get a load of this guy" and have someone deleted on their platform. This is why op is asking if he has the support of the mods and if racists are allowed to argue on equal terms. People like op can't argue. They used to own twitter, Elon buys it and makes it less Reddit and more 4chan, then all the Redditors literally flee the site because if they cannot abuse the mod system then they'll simply leave and make their own hugbox (bluesky)

>>12309 There's no devolution. On an image board with no voting system and no ego account, the only value you bring is the merits of your rhetoric. Banning people for using a word, or for holding opinions you disagree with would be the devolution. It restricts rhetoric. Redditors like you want votes so you can dismiss posts with a single glance and hide what people say. I can go on Reddit and find that Redditors are discussing the hate speech laws in the UK. I can see that the top posts are denying any hate speech, and downvoting and hiding any posts arguing that the state is enforcing too many speech laws. Ironically the top posts are dismissive and juvenile attacks. The hidden downvoted posts are trying to explain the issue and effort post but to no avail because they get dismissive replies such as "you're taking out your ass" People like you fundamentally misunderstand why we come here. I want honestly over anything. Truth must be argued. If you're trying to dismiss someone then it usually man's you're afraid that they're right. And since we're on the topic of race, you can pretend to be a bleeding heart liberal all you want. But you would never take a walk in Oakland on a Friday night after 6pm.

lainchan wasn't racist but the site owner and the mods are cowards

>>13342 So yes, its racist then.

>>13342 >bro mods are cowards What the fuarrrk did you just fuarrrking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuarrrk out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fuarrrking words. You think you can get away with saying that soykaf to me over the Internet? Think again, fuarrrker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fuarrrking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little soykaf. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fuarrrking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will soykaf fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fuarrrking dead, kiddo.

racism is instinctual, "crunk not same as grunk" caveman soykaf. a civilized person can understand individuals regardless of race, but they can also look at the actions of the other tribes and form opinions as a result, its just natural.

>>12211 you really think it's racist here? been on 4chan since 07 and while I agree what was banter for most, idiots thought it was real. Censoring people does nothing. I rather see the pricks for who they really are. I still soykaf post on 4chan and here are some of the nicest anons I've met in a long time. You have assholes everywhere. You seem sensitive.

>>13557 kek, hidden racism. you have idiots and criminals in every race. Only a fool would judge people solely based on skin color. I judge people on their moral fiber, skills if they most be applied.

>>13561 id say culture over skin color really, you can use opinions gained from observing culture, and act appropriately until the individual has revealed their moral fiber if not readily obvious

>>13562 >>13561 the whole obsession with skin color is a facile attempt to belittle the considerable differences. Its like if you insisted that dogs were treated differently because of their big ears.

>>13575 >dogs really likes to dig stop being racist!

>>13186 Your moral outrage means nothing, newguy. If you don't like it here, go.

>>13575 Some types of dogs are more lazy, others are more violent.

>>12361 He meant fascism isn't right-wing 'cause it's economically neutral aka third position neither liberal capitalism nor socialism

>>13575 Stop comparing humans to dogs /srs