now lainchan and arisuchan?

Can someone please give me the rundown on arisuchan? And what is the relationship between the two sites? I don't read /q/ regularly and didn't even realize it wasn't on mega until now. And here I thought there was no drama... Anyways I'm out of the loop. What is the difference between the sites? Is one better than the other? It looks like they're just trying to make the same site with a nicer design and more organized boards. But couldn't they just have made this one nicer? Am I missing something?

Why did you feel the need to create another thread? There is one on the top of /q/ discussing this. Short version: .jp is now run by russians and some attention whore, they renamed the site to arisu because unstable organization, will probably happen again. They have even less to with us now than before, so basically nothing. > And here I thought there was no drama... Well the drama is limited to them, nothing to do with us. There are just some people that want to run ads for them here. > Is one better than the other? I think others will agree that this is not a *chan review site, decide for yourself, or use both, we don't care, just don't try to push others to agree with your conclusion ("Go to x, everyone, it's so much better than y!").

>>4812 > It looks like they're just trying to make the same site with a nicer design and more organized boards. But couldn't they just have made this one nicer? Am I missing something? They said they tried, but Appleman wouldn't let them change anything. I don't know how much stock to put in that argument because of course they would say that and of course Appleman would deny it. So I don't think we can really know for sure if they tried or not. Does it really matter though? Now that they changed their name they literally have absolutely nothing to do with this site whatsoever. Can we close these threads already. This board is about how we can make this site better not theirs.

>>4813 >.jp is now run by russians https://arisuchan.jp/ru/ Вы не шутили.

>>4813 >will probably happen again. If you look at the source, they now have a "chisa" theme. We should probably start calling it chisachan now to stay ahead of the curve.

>>4826 wtf you weren't kidding lol view-source:https://arisuchan.jp/ <link rel="alternate stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/stylesheets/chisachan.css" title="chisachan">

>>4826 Well, they've merged with a suicide cult and it's slowly killing itself anyways, so it would certainly be appropriate.

>>4837 >Well, they've merged with a suicide cult and it's slowly killing itself anyways, so it would certainly be appropriate. they also host a /ru/ board for ocw from chaos group so it is only a matter of time before the govt shuts them down completely.

>>4838 The American left may be pissed off at what OCW did but that doesn't make it illegal.

>>4838 >>4841 what is ocw?

>>4842 >what is ocw? It's "Occult Cyberwar" or "Occult Cybernetic Warfare" depending on your translation. OCW is (was?) kind of the weaponized machine learning/data science wing for the CHAOS group, one of many collectives targeted by the US govt as having been part of Russian's campaign to influence the 2016 election. They say they were forced out of chaos because they "weren't nationalist enough" but I think it is probably more of a cultural issue. Most academic CS types don't mesh well with conventional hackers even if what they're doing is in kind of a grey area.

>>4838 >>4844 So they made an actual mindless political propaganda machine and a board that believes suicide is a fun roleplaying activity an integral part of their "cyberpunk" imageboard.

>>4847 that actually sounds cyb as fuarrrk imo https://scout.ai/story/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machine

>>4848 > that actually sounds cyb as fuarrrk Your link and discussing the topic behind it is. Except that in this case 'mindless political propaganda machine' means 'blind bootlickers of specific politicians'. And there is not really anything related to your link going on over there. And to basically just run a big ad campaign for the establishment is not cyb at all to me.

>>4849 I would think having Russian hackers use your site would give you serious cyberpunk cred. How did they pull that off anyways? Are they related to the group we had on /layer/? Have we made any effort to get them back?

>>4844 I've heard of OCW but never realized they were part of a larger group. If OCW handles psychological cyberwarfare what does the rest of the Chaos group do? What is their relationship to APT28/Tsar Team?

>>4851 >If OCW handles psychological cyberwarfare what does the rest of the Chaos group do? Espionage. What is their relationship to APT28/Tsar Team? No fuarrrking idea.

>>4849 Yep, they ran spam bots basically. Also their connection to the rest of the Russian espionage circles is pretty dubious. When you find a bunch of people talking soykaf about being hackers, on discord no less, it's normally not wise to take what they say at face value.

>>4854 >When you find a bunch of people talking soykaf about being hackers psychological warfare (human hacking) != computer hacking. and they're more likely to coordinate deleterious activities on a university mailing list than a fuarrrking discord server bro. use your brain lain.

>>4855 >psychological warfare (human hacking) != computer hacking. That's what I said. They ran spam bots. > they're more likely to coordinate deleterious activities on a university mailing list than a fuarrrking discord server bro. use your brain lain. I did and I realised I haven't seen any mailing lists coordinating things. There's no media, there's no sources. There's just a bunch of people talking on discord.

>>4857 ocw is pretty well respected in russian .onion community so i have doubts they would actually use arisuchan for anything even banter.

>>4860 Yup. When it comes to secretive organisations it's easy just to use the name of someone respected and steal some cred (there were so many Illuminati's before it became too much of a joke to use) or just pull a Pierre Plantard and invent it whole cloth. Also this whole idea that they were knowingly working with Russian espionage but have now cut ties doesn't exactly ring true. Either they were in it for the money and now that's gone or they were in it for the ideal and now suddenly they've gone from idealistically shiIling for their government to not being nationalist enough. Not to mention even taking them at face value they claim they're propagandists with spam bots. I wouldn't believe anything without real evidence.

>>4857 > There's just a bunch of people talking on discord. That sums it up. > i have doubts they would actually use arisuchan for anything I'm going to say that you are right in that regard. >>4861 > Yup. When it comes to secretive organisations it's easy just to use the name of someone respected and steal some cred This, and on top of that, it is pretty pathetic. This whole "we got the elite russian hackers onboard, we are pretty cool and cyb, aren't we?" should tell us a lot. It really seems like this all about some folks on discord that desperately want the "hacker" label.

>>4850 >I would think having Russian hackers use your site would give you serious cyberpunk cred. Yeah, having "hackers" aka spambot maintainers that work with Russian government is really cred worthy. I think that most people consider "cyberpunk cred" to be something you get by fighting against oppressive government, not sleeping in bed with it. Or stealing from other people with the government blessing. We don't even know if they do that. They might be some pedo circle for all we know.

>>4866 That's a little bit far mate. It's one thing to say they're probably full of soykaf but there's nothing to suggest they might be pedos.

>>4866 Exactly, they got as much "cyberpunk cred" as people in any country standing in the city aggressively handing out flyers for the most powerful political party/regime.

>>4868 >Exactly, they got as much "cyberpunk cred" as people in any country standing in the city aggressively handing out flyers for the most powerful political party/regime. Yeah maybe if it were an artificial intelligence doing it. OCW basically weaponizes machine learning algorithms and hands it over to CozyCar and CHAOS group. That's a pretty lethal combo imo. I wouldn't want to be their target lol.

>>4912 >Yeah maybe if it were an artificial intelligence doing it. OCW basically weaponizes machine learning algorithms and hands it over to CozyCar and CHAOS group. That's a pretty lethal combo imo. What you're overlooking is the fact that OCW does not do this full time. They're regular mathematicians, computer scientists, and grad students that are basically contracted to help RF hacking teams as necessary. Imagine if the US govt put pressure on a few academic departments at elite American universities to help the Equation group on an as-needed basis. Does that make those academics (that wouldn't have otherwise given a fuarrrk about hacking) more cyb? No. Them saying they have OCW members posting on their site carries as much bragging rights as us saying we have MIT or Stanford students (and I'm sure we do). The only difference is that their posting is in Russian.

Wow. They actually went through with it. I thought it was just a marketing ploy. They go through all that effort to try and steal our name and then... just give up. It makes no sense. Why didn't they just pick a different name in the first place. Literally why.

>>4930 >They go through all that effort to try and steal our name and then... just give up. You sound like you are disappointed. We should be happy. It basically means we won.

>>4931 yeah i was getting tired of specifying "which lainchan" jesus christ

>>4930 It goes to show that whoever is running that site is not forward thinking at all.

>>4933 >It goes to show that whoever is running that site is not forward thinking at all. When you're at war you always think you are going to win. Otherwise you wouldn't have started it. They are Germany. We are Russia.

>>4812 >What is the difference between the sites? Appleman1234 has autism and Seph has borderline personality disorder. >Is one better than the other? See above.

>>4950 that image is seph down to a T pmsl

>>4950 That might make her a bad candidate to be an administrator, sure, but have some fuarrrking empathy: >addiction >distressed >emotional hemophilia >mental torment >paranoid >self mutilation >suicidal I wouldn't wish that on anyone, least of all a fellow lain.

>>4955 It truly does. >>4956 > I wouldn't wish that on anyone, least of all a fellow lain. Me neither. Having empathy for the disorder is fine, however that does not change the fact that she is highly manipulative and attention seeking and an awful person, psychological problems do not justify that or make it okay. In short: she can not be trusted by anyone, since she even fuarrrks over her "friends".

the difference is that the people on arisuchan actually do soykaf. this site has been frozen in time the day kalyx sold it. ever since kalyx was removed from .jp/arisuchan theyve been doing pretty good soykaf to be honest. im not telling you to leave this site. but you should definitely check out arisuchan. inb4 im kalyx. hint": im not.

>>5101 yea, neverending loli thread, feels board, and larp general. awesome

.jp doesnt let itself be run over by trolls and unwanted people ruining their comfy

>>5111 then shut the fugg up and go back there fuggin soyboy

>>5111 >>5114 Jesus some people just don't know when to quit. It's over. Everybody stopped caring more than a month ago and no amount of shiIling is going to change that. Just let it go.

>>5115 i get back from holiday and ocw joins jp... er arisuchan? small world.

waht the fuarrrk is going on at arisuchan? they deleted the /sr/ board but are still affiliated with systemspace it does not make any sense

>>5414 Who cares anymore.

>>5414 because systemspace has its own chan at the moment