Child Love in the IRC, still going strong

The following logs are from yesterday, when crash_override (loli_lapride) convinced users that he was real-time liveposting the molestation of a little girl. He described, in detail, luring her over to his house from her backyard, bringing her inside, stripping off her clothes, tying her wrists, and forcing her to shower, and then showering with her. Appleman was nowhere to be found, and when he returned, his only comments were: 2017-07-15 14:59:39@Appleman1234crash_override: WTF ? 2017-07-15 14:59:59@Appleman1234crash_override: so many rule violations in the backlog, go home you are / were drunk That's it. No ban or even warning for violating the IRC rules and disgustingly roleplaying molesting a little girl. It's clear Appleman doesn't actually care about pedophilia, aside from when people are hassling him about it. The channel may be gone, but the problem is still very much alive.

Go home, you are / were drunk.

My stomach turned reading it. Absolutely disgusting. How is this even still allowed after that whole drama thread soykaf?

>>4397 Repeated moralising statements like "disgusting" are not an argument, also it obviously didn't actually happen. Someone's brewing soykaf irritates you, use your IRC client's "ignore" feature.

>>4403 Furthermore, "pedophilia" is not a crime, and roleplaying is not actual child abuse.

Just checked my logs. Didn't actually happen at all. Somebody is clearly just trying to stir soykaf. Here's a dump of the logs for that night grepped by crash's name. https://ghostbin.com/paste/mhrhn

>>4397 Not this again. I was asleep, and you are making assumptions based on the limited information available in the public channel, rather than the published rules and statements and the actual sequence of events. From the rules: 232 - 9. If you are considering publishing channel logs, think it through. 232 - The Lainchan IRC network is an interactive, real-time environment where discussions may be heavily influenced by external context. 232 - Even on public channels, most users do not weigh their comments with the idea that they will be enshrined in perpetuity to stand on their own. 232 - For that reason, few participants publish logs and we encourage those communities that do to make their participants aware of this fact. 232 - 11. #lainchan is special due to cultural legacy reasons, Please bear in mind that the server rules still apply here, though for legacy cultural reasons the enforcement may not be as consistent as in other channels. From the log you posted: 2017-07-15 09:08:45crash_overkikewex, why get so worked up over soykafpost From the eventual reply I got in #soykafposing. <Appleman1234> any reason for the rule violations and soykaf posting in #lainchan earlier ? <crash_override> when <crash_override> huh <crash_override> ? <crash_override> I am unsure what you are referring to (I don't remember) <crash_override> but it was probably a result of me drinking last night <Appleman1234> Yeah <Appleman1234> you got drunk and said some stuff <crash_override> welp <crash_override> sorry for the rule breaking I am not sure what your expectations are: But if they are instant ban without thought and reflection of circumstance and due process within 15 seconds of something being typed in an unmoderated IRC channel ,Then your expectations may be set too high. In terms of what is being done regarding this incident already. 1. Automoderator is being written for Arisu, in order automoderate and autoremind regarding rules, server wide. 2. Additional IRC Ops for #lainchan are being searched for. There was one in training, but they failed to pass induction. 3. The investigation with regards to crash_override's drunk posting / brewing soykaf / roleplay is still ongoing and the consequences of actions will happen eventually, if I was too ban everyone for every soykaf in #lainchan, then that would be at least 1 third of the channel, given that one of the rules of #lainchan as part of Rule 10 and Rule 11 of the network is 33% brewing soykaf. You are correct, I haven't instant derezzed a soykafpost / drunk post and I am still investigating the extent of rule violations for that incident. > It's clear Appleman doesn't actually care about pedophilia, aside from when people are hassling him about it. It isn't clear, this is your false conclusion. As I said before I don't condone pedophilia and regardless of my stance on pedophilia, the stance of the rules on the subject for the chan and IRC network is clear. As for your post title and closing statement, problems don't just magically disappear, some problems have solutions, other problems are ongoing or recurring and only have mitigation strategies that result in a certain set of outcomes.

>>4405 crash changes his name very often. You need to grep for nick changes and his alternate nicks as well.

>>4406 >I am still investigating the extent of rule violations for that incident. >The investigation with regards to crash_override's drunk posting / brewing soykaf / roleplay is still ongoing and the consequences of actions will happen eventually, It should not take you this long to warn such an obvious infraction. What other possible investigation could be done? All the information you need is already out there. To reiterate: It should not be taking you this long to warn someone for such an obvious rules breach. I am beginning to doubt you would have gone through with punishing him, had this thread not been made.

>>4406 Can you just stop acting like a fuarrrking automaton and be serious for five seconds? You don't have to search your meme catalogue for 3 "appropriate" images before pretending to be human. This is a serious issue. Start taking it seriously. What the fuarrrk is wrong with you.

>>4409 >You don't have to search your meme catalogue for 3 "appropriate" images before pretending to be human. ^ this. im sick of this fuarrrking soykaf. ive been more than patient with appleman, but i fuarrrking give up. im done with image boards.

>>4410 If this single event means the difference between you staying and leaving, I think I speak for most of us when I say thank you for leaving. You don't belong here. And you won't be missed.

>>4411 I think it was a lot of things coming together

>>4406 >regardless of my stance on pedophilia If pedophilia was legal it seems like you would be okay with it as you've never openly stated your actual opinion. I will state it for you: >I, applememe do not """condone""" pedophilia on lainchan.org but I personally don't think there's anything wrong with touching kids. Does this make me a pedophile? I don't know, what is a pedophile really? (followed by more autistic nonsense) What you are not saying tells us a lot. You can tell by the presence of all the pedophile sympathizers in this place: >>4403 >>4411 Expect to see more activity as you refuse to act and apologize for them because of "drunk posting".

>>4408 >It should not take you this long to warn such an obvious infraction. It didn't. He warned him as soon as he woke up. You can see that much in the logs that have been posted. >I am beginning to doubt you would have gone through with punishing him, had this thread not been made. He'd already done those things before this thread was made. >>4409 Yeah, the meme images are kinda weird but if that's your worst complaint... >>4413 >as you've never openly stated your actual opinion. From the post in this thread. >As I said before I don't condone pedophilia And he has said it before, plenty of times. I can understand complaints about being slow or the memes or whatever but I'm sure you know as well as I do that he isn't a pedo and trying to make out that he is because he's in your way and you don't think he can defend himself well is really fuarrrking low.

>>4414 >Yeah, the meme images are kinda weird but if that's your worst complaint... Not them, but I'm sure it's not about the pictures. It's the point that following some internal "protocol" of having to post 3 soykaf tier images to each and every reply instead of just acting. The fact that Appleman is always on the defensive is telling.

>>4408 As already stated your expectations (which you haven't explicitly communicated) are too high. As I have indicated previously https://lainchan.org/q/src/1497427307126-1.jpg https://lainchan.org/q/src/1497427307126-2.jpg and will indicate again the time frame of your expectation is not the implementation time frame of myself or other Lainchan staff. You see only part of the iceberg that is above the water and assume it is the entire iceberg and then suggest ramming the iceberg with the ship to remove the iceberg. This thread reads like a textbook targeted media campaign as per >>3503. >>4406 Which issue ? >>3741 or >>3503 or both. As far as I am aware I am taking this seriously. >>4413 Please don't state your opinion or your soykaf and claim that is mine. You don't speak for me. What I am not saying tells you nothing, despite what you think it tells you.

>>4419 >This thread reads like a textbook targeted media campaign as per >>3503. lol

>>4406 <Appleman1234> Yeah <Appleman1234> you got drunk and said some stuff here is a serious question: is there ANYTHING crash and other pedos could say to get derezzed? or are they just immune?

>>4397 You forgot feeding her the carrots. Also what "problem"? Someone likes what you do not? >>4402 It is not, it was a rule violation. >>4405 Nah seems I did nick changes. >>4409 >>4410 >getting this butthurt over three images per post wew mate, if you think he is a robot because he posts pics and takes time out to write a reply? How about you refute all of his points instead of the way they are presented and making personal attack? You are just acting like a child. (not even a qt one) >>4423 Three strikes and you are out iirc. I am no more "immune" to rules than anyone else. There is just a thing called "context" ;^) <Appleman1234> crash_override: Please consider yourself publicly warned for your drunken outburst earlier. Next time you mention anything involving inappropriate topics, you will be asked to stop talking about inappropriate topics as your second warning

>>4419 >still doesn't deny being a pedophile There you go again... >You don't speak for me. nigga I just did, pedophile sympathizer. (and you didn't even have to say a word!) >>4420 lel

>>4425 Why do you think he is a pedophile? Why are you so intent on trying to make him out as a pedo? Because he doesn't have some explicit hatred for pedos? He is correct in saying you can not speak for him, you are making wild assumptions and going "zomg his silence must mean I am correct!!!!!11one" It is like saying he must be a junkie drug user and condones illicit drug use because lainchan has a /drg/ board. I honestly don't understand why you are acting like this, is it some extreme emotional response to the original topic? A deliberate action to insult him? Or are you just fuarrrking stupid?

>>4427 >is it some extreme emotional response to the original topic? A deliberate action to insult him? Or are you just fuarrrking stupid? Option 2 ofc. Same as it has been for the past two months. You think they'd realise the futility of it eventually but I suppose there's some of option 3 in there as well.

>>4406 >blah blah blah You should just take action. This is not 4chan, and we should not be forgiving to pedoposting because that hurts the community and it's image. I don't give a soykaf if some people like kiddies, but why come and roleplay with child molestation? That should not be tolerated, and a ban is due. Whether crash was drunk or not shouldn't exempt him/her from the rules. Period. In some other chan I like we usually just shut down all political discussion because we don't want to let them make themselves a place for it, because we care about the community >inb4 then go back to your imageboard then! I'm just saying, if action is not taken, then you're being a pushover.

>>4419 >This thread reads like a textbook targeted media campaign as per >>3503. So every time people criticize you or bring up complaints, it has to be some huge conspiracy, huh? It can't just be that people have legitimate complaints... no... it's a targeted .jp smear campaign! Are you seriously so incapable of handling criticism constructively, that you have to cope by lying to yourself that it's some big scheme to make you look bad? Jesus fuarrrk. Grow a pair. You're the only one making yourself look bad by not taking action.

meanwhile jp is over there doing just fine having just about 0 problems. quality discussions.

>>4417 >It's the point that following some internal "protocol" of having to post 3 soykaf tier images to each and every reply instead of just acting Instead of just acting what? Natural? That is natural to him. It's a bit weird but it doesn't mean anything but the obvious. >The fact that Appleman is always on the defensive is telling. Not really. He didn't used to be before all this soykaf kicked off and people started deleting his servers and calling him a peado and it's not telling of anything more than that. >>4429 >Whether crash was drunk or not shouldn't exempt him/her from the rules. Period. It doesn't. He gets warned, happens again he's gone, same as anyone. >I'm just saying, if action is not taken, then you're being a pushover. Say what you like about the guy he's not a pushover. He has his rules and he sticks to them. >In some other chan I like we usually just shut down all political discussion because we don't want to let them make themselves a place for it Yep, that's pretty much why we shut down this discussion. Crash was exempted from those bans because most people, including the main guy who was pushing for bans asap, felt that was fair. He keeps his head down, doesn't bother people and lives a solitary life. The worst thing about him was that he got uncomfortable with people talking about sex, drunken soykaf aside. >>4430 Let's not pretend there isn't literally a big scheme to make him look bad. We've seen indisputable evidence of that. It's very hard to give every post the benefit of the doubt in situations like that. Doing things like genuinely entertaining the idea that everyone thinks you're a paedophile isn't nice and it tends to wear. Obviously this isn't ideal and it means good points don't get everything they deserve. Though they aren't just ignored either, he's slow but he listens and I, among others, make a point of reiterating things sometimes. It's a lot easier to be detached when it's not you in the limelight. >>4431 >meanwhile jp is over there No they're here stirring up soykaf...

>>4432 we are here and we had nothing to do with this. Turns out we are lainchan users too.

>>4433 >we had nothing to do with this If you're a random .jp user sure but kalyx and co can't say the same. They've spent the past month trying to put pressure on the guy in ways they knew were unfair. "There are no mods," "Most of the mods left," and I can't believe anyone who's been paying attention throughout this genuinely thinks the guy is a paedo on the evidence that he did the same thing he always does. As much as this specifically wasn't them, there genuinely was a problem this time (i.e. the paedo soykaf in general. This thread was taken care of before it was made), they have been trying to put pressure on him, we've seen that. They got identified doing it and this whole thing could have been a hell of a lot smother if they hadn't. No man is a rock. >Turns out we are lainchan users too. Certainly, and that even goes for Junk and Seph and kalyx. Even though they haven't played fair at all none of this is srs bsns. At the same time, there is literally a big scheme to make him look bad, and it's the .jp mods doing it, and that gets in the way of him taking everything at face value and constructively. It's not like there's even a big problem in this thread. Just people saying he's too slow to do things that he's already done or insinuations that he's a paedo. Biggest legitimate complaint is probably the three images thing, which is fair but not exactly pressing. So anyway, sorry if you're some random .jp user, I know this has nothing to do with you. I do specifically mean the admins and even more specifically the ones actually stirring soykaf.

>>4434 six years from now, are we still going to blame everything on lainchan.jp? they've gone and made their own site. so. fuarrrking. what. this board is supposed to be about lainchan.org. stop making excuses.

>>4435 >six years from now Six years from now they'll have gotten bored and given up or else we'll slowly work on dealing with them but we aren't there yet. While this is starting to get stale, if they do keep up, there's plenty we can do. Often having someone not personally involved look through things makes it a lot easier to handle. >stop making excuses. Excuses for what? Posting a bunch of images? There's nothing for me to excuse. I'm just reiterating the facts for those unaware, such as our .jp friend.

>>4406 ><Appleman1234> you got drunk and said some stuff >some stuff Apparently, to Appleman, a graphic depiction of child molestation is just "some stuff." No big deal, just "some stuff."

>>4438 >graphic depiction of child molestation Except that's not what it was at all. To quote "I only touched her hair." The weirdest part was mention of rope but at the same time he didn't give the impression he was being serious. It was pretty creepy but it wasn't a "graphic depiction of molestation" either.

On that note. Crash: You are really lucky that this is all going to get done by the book because that's the way Appleman does things. That soykaf was out of line and frankly quite disturbing to read.

>>4440 Why are you siding with crash? Are you a pedophile?

>>4439 That depends on how you define Molestation. From my POV, it was molestation, plain and simple.

Stop being so moralistic. Appleman actually handled it properly in his deliberate way this time. Mods have to sleep too, you know?

ban crash override when?

>>4452 Right after RPing fаggots.

>>4447 >Appleman actually handled it properly no. he didnt. dismissing pedophilia roleplay as "just some stuff" is NOT handling it properly. you stop being so dismissive.

>>4454 >>4452 Didn't you see the warning he got? He does it again I assume he gets derezzed. Why are you getting so worked up over this?

>>4455 our soft stance on pedo hurts our image

>>4456 I do not condone anything of it. However at this point it's not that, at this point it's become: Everyone I do not like is either a .jp user or pedophile or both. At this point it's our hysteria that hurts our image.

>>4457 This. Every time I see "go back to .jp" it pains me a little. As much as there's a 90% chance they're right 10% ain't nothing. I expected that they'd get bored after a month or two of it not working but they do seem determined to keep this up and it's not exactly a great response for the long term. Better to either take things at face value if you think there's some chance they're genuine or just ignore them and roll your eyes. We'll have to look into getting people to help out with it. In the meantime, as usual, if you don't care for the drama just avoid /q/. If there's something you want to say by all means but it's not going to be an effective way to measure what other lains are thinking. Meanwhile the mods have to go through it with a fine tooth comb and pick out any reasonable points but them's the breaks. Not really much we can do to get them to stop.

>>4457 >>4459 if (browser history includes lainchan.jp) { argument invalid; } else { argument valid; } Save that little script. Apply it to every single post on /q/. It will come in handy. On a serious note: can we stop this fuarrrking nonsense? The witchhunts are getting old.

>>4463 The script is pretty useless because one can clear one's browser history, cache and cookies and then their argument becomes valid. Please learn to write effective code.

>>4463 You know it's not so much dismissing arguments. That just hasn't been happening. When people have raised decent points they've been answered straight up. It's the not giving people who're raising tired or ignorant points the benefit of the doubt that's the problem. I find, when you see someone repeating some of the bullsoykaf like "there are no mods" or whatever, it's best to assume that they're someone who's been lied to rather than someone deliberately lying and it's not such an unlikely assumption. They shilIed far and wide when this first started and while the truth may have got its boots on around here that isn't the case everywhere and people do wander in. >Witch-hunts Yup, good luck getting people not to go a bit torch and pitchfork at the mention of the word pedo though.

>>4463 I disagree. We should weigh the opinions of those that use lainchan.jp less heavily because they don't have their heart in this website in the first place. Should our opinions affect the decisions of lainchan.jp? No. So why should their opinions count here?

>>4463 >The witchhunts are getting old. I agree, it would be good if this over the top hysteria because a few pedos use the irc would stop.

>>4467 A good point's a good point no matter where it comes from. Just have to hold our breath until they make one. >>4471 Not even that. They and the subject got derezzed weeks ago. Never let the facts get in the way of a good witchhunt though.

>>4467 >>4467 >We should weigh the opinions of those that use lainchan.jp less heavily because they don't have their heart in this website in the first place. And who is going to police who is and is not "from" lainchan.jp? I hope you are being ironic lain.

>>4475 Anyone who is being "hysterical" about pedos or is contributing to a "witch hunt" is clearly from .jp. We like to pretend child love isn't a big deal, but at this point it's just to cover up for soykafty administration and severe autism. yeah yeah go back to .jp etc. no. learn how to lead a community and stop apologizing for these sick fuarrrks.

>>4476 >to cover up for soykafty administration and severe autism Cover up what? He's done an alright job at administration and nobody has ever tried to deny his personal attributes. >learn how to lead a community We are not sheep in need of a shepherd.

>>4481 i wish appleman just paid the bills and did nothing else. the other admins could have navigated this situation better and lainchan.jp would have never even happened.

>>4410 >im done with image boards Good, go back to Reddit. We don't want you here. Image boards are for free speech, not shrieking and posturing about baseless narratives of grievous psychological harm which were obviously made up as a method of social control rather than being based on any sort of legitimate science. >>4429 >>4456 >caring about the reputation of a fuarrrking imageboard which is literally based on a series about a 14-year-old girl >caring about what mindless normal people think about anything Lain save us from these shrieking busybodies.

>>4484 Sad, but true.

>>4487 >muh freeze peach >pedophilia is okay >normal personz r ruining muh safe space >lainchan shud b for social outcasts You're not helping the situation at all with that loser mindset. >>4484 same. However, I am mildly entertained by the varying degrees of autism on display here.

>>4484 >and lainchan.jp would have never even happened. I never really thought about that before, but that probably is true. Their problems were not with the website itself. They were with Appleman personally. If their problems were with the website, they would have left before he even bought it.

>>4484 That's not fair at all. How are you going to blame him for the things they chose to do? If we're following this idea of passing the buck back why stop there? Remember most of the mods stayed. The decisions of the two that left are on them not him.

>>4490 >I never really thought about that before, but that probably is true. Their problems were not with the website itself. They were with Appleman personally. If their problems were with the website, they would have left before he even bought it. Maybe you should leave too.

>>4489 >accusing imageboard users of wanting a safe space when this entire thread is you complaining about how imageboards aren't a safe space for normalsoykafs because ideas you don't like can be discussed here >while unironically using muh freeze peach meme >not seeing the blatant doublethink there WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH t. you

>>4493 >obviously supporting pedophilia >thinks irony is so clever you sick fuarrrks bite every time I swear.

>>4494 Pointing out your doublethink is more clever than your "ban this discussion because it triggers stupid americans like me" non-arguments.

>>4491 I remember it differently. Thats the real problem here. I think some of you people have amnesia. The mods are either inactive or at jp with a small fraction still on .org. because before any of this happened most of the mods never did anything. this was true before appleman was here too. if you only count active mods then jp wins.

>>4496 You were probably just lied to be the .jp people. They did a lot of that. I assure you, counting active mods, 2 left from a group of about 10. When Appleman first took over there were a lot of inactive mods who never did anything but he demoted them all long before any of this started.

>>4484 >i wish appleman just paid the bills and did nothing else. the other admins could have navigated this situation better and lainchan.jp would have never even happened. If you don't like how Appleman handles things, then why are you still here? There is a containment chan made just for special snowflakes like you.

>>4498 fuarrrk that. If you want to complain complain, it's not suddenly become an unreasonable thing to do because .jp exists.

>>4499 >fuarrrk that. If you want to complain complain, it's not suddenly become an unreasonable thing to do because .jp exists. but if you agree with the reason .jp exists then why don't you use .jp? makes no sense.

>>4502 >but if you agree with the reason .jp exists then why don't you use .jp? makes no sense. Because you can use both websites jackass. You can go to lainchan.org even if you go to /g/. You can go to lainchan.org even if you go to lainchan.jp. I'm so sick of this "taking sides" bullsoykaf. Grow up.

>>4502 Because they care about this community, and want what is best for it. And what is best for it includes pointing out when things have been done wrong, so said errors can be corrected and improved upon. How motherfucking dense are you people?

>>4498 >>4499 >>4502 >>4503 >>4504 Why are we even still talking about lainchan.jp? That soykaf happened months ago.

>>4506 >Why are we even still talking about lainchan.jp? That soykaf happened months ago. because apparently people are still using it. i thought it would have died by now but it hasnt. i dont get the appeal.

>>4497 All but a few of this site's supposed moderators are just Appleman posting without a name and/or using multiple handles. Why do you think he refuses to even disclose the usernames of the moderators when they could just give a one-off name to be known by the community by, if they were uncomfortable tying themselves to other handles? Why do you think their typing styles and behaviours match his fully?

>>4508 Complete and utter bullsoykaf mate. I've been on mumble with them before. They're all real people and most of them were here long before he was.

>>4509 Then they should prove me wrong by revealing themselves. ALL OF THEM. Not just the two or three who aren't Appleman.

>>4496 No, most mods just prefer to remain silent. Mostly so that people don't abuse them of using their mod status.(i.e. on other forums where pople tell you that people listen to you only because you're a mod) When Appleman bough the site and had a BDFL approach(remember when he removed the boardlist) people accused him of being 'undemocratic' and crazier than Kalyx. Now when he did the 180 and became 'democratic' people accuse him of being too slow and and fiddly around his decisions. Part of why Appleman is 'slow' now is because he discusses almost everything with mods. And mods discuss almost everything with other mods/admins. Few of the issues that the staff deals with are straightforward so the default is to discuss it.

>>4512 >abuse *acuse

>>4512 >Part of why Appleman is 'slow' now is because he discusses almost everything with mods. And mods discuss almost everything with other mods/admins. Few of the issues that the staff deals with are straightforward so the default is to discuss it. NICE TRY APPLEMEME When you pulled that whole deleting the boards stunt you pissed a lot of people off. Kalyx had to come back and intervene because your autism level got so fuarrrking high you couldn't even relate to us anymore. The fact that Kalyx deleted the site for real was just icing on the cake. You must have been happy that he was able to pull the trigger that you couldn't. >>4508 yeah there are no mods. just a bunch of samef.ags

>>4514 That's really obviously not Appleman. If I could get him to talk like that most of the time I'd be over the moon. He doesn't use idiomatic speech like 'did the 180.' Also kalyx didn't do anything useful when the boardlist went. He came and shouted at him about it along with approximately 300 other people but it took someone actually listening to him for a change to get it resolved. And there are mod, he doesn't same user. You've obviously got this angle you're going to push regardless of facts or evidence and it's one we've had out on /q/ a bunch of times over the past month (remember when they tried to claim Yukko left too? That was some funny soykaf). Anyone actually curious about the validity of this should use the search.

>>4512 >When Appleman bough the site and had a BDFL approach(remember when he removed the boardlist) people accused him of being 'undemocratic' and crazier than Kalyx. Now when he did the 180 and became 'democratic' people accuse him of being too slow and and fiddly around his decisions. There's a healthy middle-ground between those two polar extremes. Neither extreme is desirable. He is too slow and fiddly.

>>4515 yuuko did leave. hes not involved he said so. he still has an account.

>>4516 He is slow and fiddly but, in the strict sense, not too slow and fiddly. Most of the stuff that comes up we just have a lot of time to deal with and it's often better to do them thoroughly. It's not ideal but it's not a deal breaker either. >>4521 Oh sorry. They claimed he'd left for .jp. He left in terms of not being active ages ago iirc.

>>4516 >There's a healthy middle-ground between those two polar extremes. Neither extreme is desirable. He is too slow and fiddly. Perhaps Seph?

>>4523 >Perhaps Seph? She seems less impulsive than Kalyx and definitely more decisive than Appleman, but I'm not sure those are the only qualities we should be looking for in an admin.

>>4524 >She seems less impulsive than Kalyx and definitely more decisive than Appleman, but I'm not sure those are the only qualities we should be looking for in an admin. What does any of that matter? We don't get to choose our admin.

>>4525 >What does any of that matter? We don't get to choose our admin. yes. you can. you decide which website to use.

>>4523 Seph is egotistical, unstable and more concerned with appearances than realities. Appleman can be difficult to talk to but when it's a challenge I feel I'm working against his communication skills. So long as I can find the right questions to ask and put aside any rudeness it's fine. More than fine he's great. Genuinely cares a lot about the community and wants to put it first. Talking with Seph was about working against her ego. Trying to get through to her that starting a new site wasn't going to be as easy as everyone immediately jumping ship was beyond me. Likewise stressing that being at all hostile or antagonistic about it would just hurt everyone seems to have fallen on deaf ears. It's also evident that she's either behind or oblivious to the extended smear campaign we've seen over the past month neither of which speak well for her. Anyway, I've not a massive interest in tearing down Seph's lot. We (the .org people) haven't been interested in offence, like going over to their /q/ and trying to brew soykaf, at all during this because, for fuarrrks sake, it just hurts everyone.

>>4413 >If pedophilia was legal it seems like you would be okay with it as you've never openly stated your actual opinion. If your government follows the universal declartion of human rights (especially article 2,18,19), then I'm confident that having that attraction is completely legal and shouldn't be prosecuted.

>>>/.jp/

Stop bringing IRC drama to the board. They're governed by different rules and have different expectations. If you want to raise an issue with the IRC, do it there.

Before we let this topic die (the other thread reached its post limit; sorry for new thread.), is there any way to verify that this will be handled appropriately in the future? Do we have any new administrators or moderators besides Appleman1234 which will take this seriously in the future? The pedos are still underezzed so it's only a matter of time until something happens again. And you've already lost my trust Appleman1234. I would like others to be accountable. And I can't be the only one who actually cares about this. So I'm speaking up. How do you plan on earning it back? Or do you have others that deserve our trust? I want answers. I shouldn't be afraid of using the IRC or browsing the board at work. What in the serious fuarrrk is wrong with you.

>>4597 Don't make a new post, when a reply to an existing thread that isn't at post limit will suffice. This is already being handled appropriately in future. I don't really care if you trust me or not, that is your prerogative as a lainon to trust me or to like me or to hate me as you see fit. Rules are already in place both on IRC and the chan. Rules are already being enforced. Additional work is being done to improve the enforcement. Lainons are already sacrificing freedoms in the name of this witchhunt. Which supposed pedos are underezzed ? What is your criteria ? I don't plan on earning your trust back, because you haven't even stated terms of engagement for interacting with you. I can only act appropriately and allow you your freedom and prerogative to trust me if and when you choose. Is there any way to verify this ? No, not really, we are Lainchan, not Blockchain, there is no verification of messages built in to the protocol. Other Lainchan staff are welcome to respond, but as far as I know , none of them have expressed any interest in being Internet police for IRC, and all of them delete and ban CP when it is posted on the imageboard.