#childlove on lainchan irc

How could this possibly ok? I don't even feel comfortable bringing it up in the main channel. I'm not the only one uncomfortable: [09:47] <crunsher> Why do we have #childlove AND #pedo [14:34] <Lisbeth> So I'm a bit unnerved at the channel name #childlove [17:24] <GyroW> is there really a childlove channel on this server...? Worst of all, it even has Appleman's blessing: [09:11] <@Appleman1234> Please take your discussions about child love to #childlove [16:39] <@Appleman1234> and take the child love discussion to #childlove please [09:57] <@Appleman1234> Lambdalef: Take it to #childlove please(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4) Always elaborate on your opinions, Write a better OP next time)

What the fuarrrk. You know a site is going down hill when it welcomes "Child Love"

It's more containment than anything else. While I don't understand why we don't just IP ban them, we have two to three actual pedos who love to soykafpost about wanting to fuarrrk kids. It's the same as /civ/ in a basic sense, other than the ostensible difference between edgy Nazi users and pedophiles.

So long as no member of Lainchan becomes involved with anything illegal and it's is kept to the relevant fora I strongly believe that removing or banning discussion for moral reasons would be a mistake.

>>3743 containment never works. appleman should delete the channel and ban those responsible immediately, that he's dragging his feet and even encouraging people use it is disgusting.

MFW before the eventual "but we are treated like the Gays where, we arnt hurting anyone"

>>3746 tfw gay sex is legally consensual under standards that have been generally considered viable since before sodomy was legalized "B-but I'm oppressed because I abuse children"

>>3744 This used to be a technology site. While we still get our share of that, we've been too forgiving for the sake of "freedom of speech" or something and let politics and pedophilia become actual themes in this place. I don't think we should ban these topics "for moral reasons" but to keep the character of the site and to keep a reasonable standard for discussion. Kind of like going to a chess club and bringing booze and weed. You're here to play chess.

Long discussion in #lainchan on this matter attached.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4) Always elaborate on your opinions, provide additional context for those that can't read the associated media, Elaborate on why you posted said media. )

>>3749 There has been a strong political aspect to Lainchan since its inception, in fact I would argue that it's actually less political now than under the old administration. Either way, I don't consider it a political issue. It's not a board on the site, or even endorsed in any way, the whole debacle is over a small handful of users in a channel on lainchan's irc server. The character of the imageboard itself remains unchanged. The irc has always been far more loosely moderated than the site, and is where chess club members take their booze and weed, so to speak. There has not been any problem in maintaining the seemingly conflicting cultures of high-effort posts on the board and relaxed discussions in irc, it's only when people bring irc issues onto the board that users begin questioning the nature of Lainchan. The two have different cultural expectations and I don't expect to see any discussion regarding the practice of paedophilia on the actual site any time soon.

The channel has less than 6 individuals, several of which aren't pedos but lurk. The channel does not contain child pornography or anything remotely illegal. There are only probably 4 pedophiles on the server, whom are legitimate lainchan.org users and mean well. It exists because the topic of pedophilia kept coming up in #lainchan (still does) and some were uncomfortable by this and so #childlove was created by someone (now no one has op in there)

>>3749 >let politics and pedophilia become actual themes in this place if you actually think pedophilia is an "actual theme" of the imageboard or IRC server, you've clearly been to neither.

>>3753 Then let them go elsewhere with it, if it's such a non-issue. >>3749 I agree. Their presence drives people away. Most people are yucked out by pedophilia. They shouldn't be allowed to use any social space on lainchan, board or irc, to organize socially.

>>3753 they can take that reprehensible soykaf somewhere else, clearly people don't want lainchan to be associated with their behaviors at all. >Defending pedophilia

>>3753 >There are only probably 4 pedophiles on the server >only That is four too many.

>>3741 Appleman seems completely oblivious. He probably has no idea why this would make us question his judgement.

>>3758 Benign inaction is the best kind of moderation we could ask for at the moment. Lainchan used to be plagued by deletions on whimsy.

>[18:47]<Appleman1234> S1ohy: it just is another oppurtunity cost thing, X amount of time spent replying to this drama thread instead of making lainchan better. You could start making lainchan better by removing a safe haven for pedophiles. Pull your head out of your ass.

MFW You can't stop us.

>>3759 There is a large middle-ground between total inaction and haphazardly deleting things. These are two extremes.

>>3762 It's not even inaction. It's condonement.

>>3751 Notable quotes (the opinion of Appleman1234 and of the various IRC users): [18:47]<Appleman1234> S1ohy: it just is another oppurtunity cost thing, X amount of time spent replying to this drama thread instead of making lainchan better. [...] [19:01]<king_radical> Appleman1234: yo just delete the channel and ignore the people who bother you about it, problem solved [19:01]<Appleman1234> it is always more complicated than that [...] [19:02]<Appleman1234> e.g. it becomes an arms race of no custom channels [19:02]<Appleman1234> or not IRC server [19:02]<Appleman1234> no IRC server [19:02]<Appleman1234> etc etc [19:03]<Appleman1234> you delete the channel and add list of channel names to ban list, and then it becomes cat and mouse, until you whitelist the creation of new channels, then that because administrative bottleneck and additional work and lainchan.jp continues to complain about such centralization etc etc etc [...] [19:04]<Appleman1234> so no the issue in the thread is not a problem as such and doesn't have an easy or simple solution, and proper mitigation of the issue is time consuming regardless of the option taken [...] [19:20]<Appleman1234> I don't intend to make this a hill to die on for other of the false dichotomy of sides [18:38]<Appleman1234> https://lainchan.org/q/res/3741.html#3741 seriously ? [...] [18:38]<Appleman1234> like the drama in this channel isn't enough ? [...] [18:42]<S1ohy> People are immature, Appleman1234. You shouldn't expect much. [18:42]<S1ohy> Whoever it is has obviously brought it up there so more people can push you into a corner forcing you to do close the channels down. [18:42]<S1ohy> A nice tactic, I suppose. [...] [19:28]<S1ohy> Now, since lainchan.org is Appleman1234's property, he can do as he wishes (in theory). [19:28]<Arisu> LAINCHAN [19:28]<S1ohy> So I hope Appleman1234 does what he wants. [...] [19:28]<S1ohy> I hope never to see democracy on services. [...] [20:37]<muskox> S1ohy: do you think that that thread should be able to exist at all? do you think that it would be a good thing if Appleman1234's opinion was influenced by it? [...] [20:40]<S1ohy> muskox: I think it would be best to have lainchan be Appleman1234's vision. [19:17]<whiteline> i agree, i'm heavily opposed to either the irc or the chan hosting any discussion of pedo-ism especially in the way i've seen them do it [...] [19:22]<whiteline> Appleman1234: i'm saying that the only times i've seen you lash out at anyone is when you perceive your "face" is threatened, that's all [19:23]<whiteline> otherwise you take no sides whatsoever, as you say, and stick to defining form [19:23]<whiteline> you don't even care about something as society-reviled as pedophilia [...] [19:24]<whiteline> loli: there are forums for pedophiles that i can accept - i think there's one called "virtuous pedophiles" for example [19:24]<whiteline> but i cannot accept the ones we have here, Iwakura for example just today suggested that they might want to engage in child sex tourism [...] [19:28]<whiteline> so yes, i'm 100% for an elimination of #childlove or #pedo or what have you [19:40]<loli> whiteline: it's a network, and this opens a can of words [19:41]<loli> whiteline: what else can we ban? [...] [19:41]<loli> why is pedophilia differenmt [...] [19:50]<loli> it's only an issue becuase you people are making it one [19:50]<loli> lol; [19:53]<loli> > they take over [...] [19:53]<loli> you mean they get soykafted on [...] [19:53]<loli> and get fuarrrked up because people hate them [...] [19:53]<loli> I have to deal with people thinking "loli is pedo" [...] [19:53]<loli> that's annoying enough 19:52]<Lisbeth> Honestly, anybody who comes here trying to defend themselves saying "I see nothing wrong with having sex with a child if it's consensual" is trying to start soykaf [...] [19:52]<Lisbeth> Yeah, I mean I don't like it, if they wanna talk about it go ahead but somewhere else please [...] [19:53]<Lisbeth> But if they're posting content of that disgusting garbage, they need to get the hell out [...] [19:54]<Lisbeth> But yeah, if people wanna talk about pedo rights, take it to #childlove or to your chris hansen victim meetings [...] [19:56]<Lisbeth> shut up [19:56]<Lisbeth> But yeah, even though I loathe pedos, I still think they deserve the right to freedom of speech. [19:56]<Lisbeth> But they shouldn't be allowed to share vile content [...] [19:57]<Lisbeth> So the channel should stay up, but monitored [19:13]<crash_override> well I am not the one spamming a channel for 15 minutes because I don't like it... [...] [19:29]<crash_override> and if u eliminate #childlove it is just going to spill over into here (well alot more than it already does) which I am sure you do not want ;^) [...] [19:31]<crash_override> or we just move to +s room [19:31]<crash_override> (which one is already around ;^)) [...] [19:34]<crash_override> yea while ur at it pls ban all sexual discussion, remove #bdsm #erp and #lewd [...] [19:41]<crash_override> tbh if you want to ban things, ban all sexual talk imo [...] [19:41]<crash_override> I find it disgusting and really off putting when I come in here and see it [...] [19:52]<crash_override> no one is posting cp and if they are yes I think they should be derezzed [19:28]<alca> I don't think it's fair to say that anyone is enabling anything just because they allow an open forum. [...] [19:40]<alca> Banning things because some user dosen't like it is more likely to set Lainchan alight in my opinion. [...] [19:55]<alca> Why not just let them have irc room? You're talking as if child porn is actually allowed on the site. [...] [20:07]<alca> Voicing your disapproval is perfectly good, but you can't expect anything to be done just because of it. [...] [20:35]<alca> But it's Appleman1234 's property. If he says there's free speech then that's what there is. [19:47]<santi> I think it's pretty cut and dry that pedophilia is not okay [...] [19:57]<santi> I think you can be pro free speech and also say that your private server on the internet isn't going to tolerate that soykaf [19:57]<santi> not exactly incongruous beliefs. [...] [19:57]<santi> Hell what's the point of private property in the first place if you can't tell pedos to fauurrrkkk off [...] [20:02]<santi> There's a reason why someone who uses the N word in a restaurant doesn't have to conclusively have it proven in a court of law befre being ejected. [19:52]<calcutec_> while lowkey I feel we should perma-ban pedos so they don't get our severs seized, containment is better than nothing [...] [19:57]<calcutec_> yeah, there's a difference between free speech and "you can't kick me out of this restaurant for calling my waiter the N-word" [...] [19:59]<calcutec_> also we're hosted in the US, so if ya'll get our hosting service FBI-ed it's their fault [20:28]<muskox> if this channel had a democratic process (something i've argued for for a long time), perhaps we could all vote and see what the majority opinion is on pedophilia [...] [20:28]<muskox> but all we have is Appleman1234 and his idea of 'comfy', which is mostly hands-off ness [...] [20:28]<muskox> whiteline: it's up to appleman, his server, but i would also like to see a democratic process for the server [...] [20:34]<muskox> it's appleman's chan and if you don't like it fuarrrk off [...] [20:35]<muskox> that's the way non-democratic sites have always worked [...] [20:36]<muskox> the illusion of a democracy by people yeling at Appleman1234 and him changing the site to the concerns of the loudest ones isn't exactly good either [...] [20:36]<whiteline> no, isn't very good [20:36]<whiteline> i agree [20:36]<muskox> whiteline: well, then, it's appleman's chan and if you don't like it fuarrrk off [20:36]<muskox> :) (USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Always argue in good faith, Elaborate on your opinions., Provided abridged version without supporting text to explain the abridgment or reason for posting.)

How the fuarrrk can you condone CP Appleman wtf.

>[19:23]<whiteline> you don't even care about something as society-reviled as pedophilia It's obvious why he doesn't. Appleman himself is a pedophile.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

>>3766 Proof?

>>3765 No one is condoning CP.

>>3768 Really? I wonder how this thread got started then...

>>3764 >slippery slope fallacy ad nauseum. Just an excuse for people too afraid to rock the boat. Lock the channels and redirect to an onion messageboard on the same topic, I assume there are plenty. True censorship is wrong, but nobody is actually being prevented from presenting their opinions, there is simply a place and time for everything. If anyone still has Tsutsukakushi's blog, you should probably link to that, if you're interested in the kind of discussions being hosted on what I assume is the very same VPS as lainchan. Crashoverride's site also has a least a few fairly long irc logs if you are the kind of person who needs the raw data to form your own opinions (you should be that kind of person) Overall, I personally don't agree with it, while I most definitely support the discussion of pedophilia, every single person in the world should be allowed to present their viewpoints on a subject and talk about it. Really, pedophilia is a mental illness, and completely ostracizing these people is not an effective solution. However, if you look at all the other available options, of which there are many (host your own goddamn irc for one), no body is really being prevented from speaking, just being told to go somewhere else. It's the internet equivalent of being thrown out of a bar, everyone else in the bar is sick of your soykaf. The final, and most important point, is that it is in no way lainchan related. I know that's a pretty loose term and is subject to change, but I can not for the life of me think where "childlove" fits in with the website as it stands. Polite name user, I feel that where this advice is coming from will be relevant to a lot of users, and I know that there are a lot of bad feelings on both sides, but I still do genuinely care about the website, so please, if you're going to attack something, attack the opinions, not the person presenting them.

>>3770 Appleman makes it out like it's this huge complicated mess when it's really not. Delete the channel and move on. It's not that hard. And if it is hard, why is he administrator?

>>3767 Nothing concrete, but it shows through his words and actions. He is obviously still in the closet about it.

Nobody has defended the concept of having this channel up yet, so hopefully staff can clarify what the fuarrrk is going on. So far nobody agrees with this, so i can't even refute the absurdity of it.

Why is it always assholes who appeal to "freedom of speech"? Really they just want permission to be insufferable pieces of soykaf.

>>3769 This thread, the channel, the pedophiles, are not about condoning CP. This thread, the channel, the pedophiles, are about the attraction to children and the discussion of it on the IRC server. This thread and some people do not like pedophilia, pedophiles, or any discussion about it; which is fine. But you have to recognize that none of this is about CP. I implore you to read the log.

Lainons also should recognize that lainchan isn't a democracy. You aren't owed anything nor do you deserve anything.

>>3776 Then someone didn't get the memo (when purchasing the site).

>>3760 >drama thread is this seriously what he thinks this is?

>>3774 People don't seem to understand what freedom of speech means, why the term was created and what "not having freedom of speech" means. Much like racism, feminism and rape, rich people who have never gone more than a few minutes hungry talking as if real issues were just mindless hysteria from poor, lazy people. Freedom of speech is in the exact same category, but instead of a weapon it's used as a shield for rich, dumb people to keep on being entitled to their dumb opinions without any backlash.

>>3779 No one is talking about taking away their freedom of speech. We're talking about removing their right to speak about specific things on this specific website. They can exercise their freedom of speech somewhere else.

>>3780 Not a single human being who has even been to or even heard about lainchan would be physically capable of removing the freedom of speech from any other human being.

>>3781 >>3779 These posts look like schizobabble to me.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

>>3782 If you go to starbucks and start screaming "heil hitler" and security asks your to leave, your freedom of speech isn't violated. You're violating the rules of that place. Same applies to lainchan, currently lainchan seems to accept the issue raised in this thread, which is what this thread is questioning. But freedom of speech is a nonissue, it's not an object of question, one way or the other freedom of speech is obviously granted. The question of this thread is: "is this really allowed in lainchan?" and not "can we censor these people?". tl;dr: shut the fuarrrk up about freedom of speech, or at the very least read wikipedia

>>3783 The only people I see talking about freedom of speech are those like you claiming others are using it as a justification for something which I haven't yet seen anywhere.

Do you want the FBI crawling up your ass? Because this is how you get the FBI crawling up your ass.

Child love is a joke channel. Pedo probably has Tsutsukakushi talking about girls he sees and roleplaying. Both harmless. It's voluntary to join the channel. If #childlove or #pedo distributes child pornography, action will be taken. If anything it looks like OP is projecting his pedo isses, or has weird issue with them.

>>3786 As someone who lurks in both, that's very much not the case. They are 100% serious about it. And it is disgusting.

>>3786 It's really really creepy that someone is outright lying like this tbh. Are you seriously going to these lengths just to keep your little pedo paradise unmolested?

>>3787 If you see or suspect child pornography, then report it to Appleman with evidence so they get shut down. >>3785 Why should lainchan care? If Appleman receives a subpoena or the FBI has a warrant, they could look only at the logs of the pedophiles. Monitoring everyone is unconstitutional and Appleman could sue the FBI. Lainchan would get restitution.

>>3786 >If anything it looks like OP is projecting his pedo isses, or has weird issue with them. So having issues with pedos is... weird? Is that really how far this community has decayed? That being ok with pedos it is the new normal? I'm fuarrrking done with image boards.

>>3791 I hate to say it, but im off to the other lainchan,

>>3790 >Monitoring everyone is unconstitutional and Appleman could sue the FBI. In what planet do you live?

>>3793 Sorry, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I live in reality.

>Monitoring everyone is unconstitutional and Appleman could sue the FBI. More like Appleman would ask the FBI for permission to sue the FBI. The FBI would say "no" and he would say, "oh, well, at least I tried."

>>3794 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit Can you provide an equivalent scenario upon which the government asked for data and was sued for enforcing it? Instead of the person not willing to give the data got thrown in jail or was forced to delete said data? I'm pretty sure this has literally never happened on this planet. You're more likely to kill yourself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz) rather than sue the government.

>>3794 The reality is that FBI would simply seize the servers. >>3795 Suing the FBI for damages is almost impossible. It'd have to be something like a team of field agents maliciously burning your house down for the lulz and admitting this on live television. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States

It seems the affiliates jumped ship at the right time. This place is going to soykaf.

>>3799 How is a channel with three pedos in it is making this place "soykaf"? Anyone can make channels on lainchan's irc with any title. No one is forced to join. If you don't like channel do not use it, if you don't like the irc at all don't use it. Really does not effect lainchan.org itself. I don't see any pedo threads here.

Does anyone else remember the /cl/ board and the rather lack of controversy around it? But yes, Lainchan is so awful because of this irrelevant IRC channel. I'm glad we all care so much about this all at once, even though it's suspicious and the previous /q/ spam has recently let up. Let's all go to the .jp site now!

>>3796 Lavabit was an intelligence issue. Actually, the real question is has the FBI seized an IRC server and monitored everyone because of pedophiles? No. Even though the FBI had tips going to Undernet and EFnet in the past, a subpoena was sent. I'm only aware of instances the FBI monitored public channels to arrest DDoS attackers. It does that soykaf because it can get away with it, like, since Edward Snowden was connected to Lavabit. Hackers have no rights, I can agree with that. But as unlikely as it seems, the FBI isn't as abusive about pedophiles. It would submit a subpoena based on probable cause. Failing to and also shutting services down would be a rare and severe misconduct. It can be argued, despite with difficulty, it wasn't negligence, it was bad faith.

I think the issue is that Appleman refuses to come here and make an official statement for or against allowing an IRC channel for pedophiles. If he is against, he literally just has to add a rule to IRC saying anyone talking about pedophilia would be derezzed and enforce it. Simple as that. By the thread it seems the community is genuinely concerned. Please respond.

>>3804 The channel in question was made so that discussion leaning too much into paedophilic territory could be directed out of the general channels. Now that there exists a concrete target instead of random comments made by various users the knives have come out.

>>3804 I haven't refused anything, I am still drafting an official statement. Thank you for your patience and understanding.

For everyone's sake, the pedos are Tsutsukakushi, crash_override, Iwakura, joka, and kek (He has not been around for a month or so I think).

>>3806 >I am still drafting an official statement. In the amount of time it took you to read this thread and respond you could have already deleted it. Why draft an official statement? Stop talking and start doing.

>>3806 just get rid of the Pedos already. There is nothing to discuss. these are pedophiles you are defending.

Lainons attitude towards this is rather disappointing. The ignoring of the reality of the situation and the demand of immediate action over rational discussion elucidates the nature of lainons. This will be interesting; Will Appleman submit? Will he stand his ground, whatever the stance may be? Or will the crying children demand more claiming to be owed something?

>IIT Pedophiles defensing their mental illness. (USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

So has appleman deleted the pedo soykaf yet?

>>3813 No. Proper paperwork needs to be filled. But first an official statement needs to be made and 10 fuarrrking press conferences to ban few pedophiles off the IRC server.

>>3814 Appleman: Despite the constant negative press covfefe

>>3790 >neurosuggesting three-letter agencies give a flying fuarrrk about the constitution

>>3758 He is completely oblivious. He thinks this is just some "drama thread," according to the log >>3751 posted.

>>3817 yes. because questioning the harboring of pedophiles and bitching about lainchan.jp are basically the same thing. just useless drama. what. the. fuarrrk. are. you. serious.

>>3754 it is when you have a channel dedicated to it. Which is pretty much actively inviting people to discuss it. "Containment board/channel" is not an argument, you could argue that /civ/ was a containment board,and look at lainchan now.

>>3824 there are, unfortunately, a few pedos that are regular members of the #lainchan channel, which is why those channels exist: as has been stated, as a containment - because almost every time the pedos named in >>3808 bring up the topic, the conversation devolves into numerous calls of 'please go away' and defensiveness from the pedos, and soykafs up the channel. I'm for the channels being deleted and pedo discussion being outlawed in general - there are forums for this, and lainchan is not one of them - but I just want to clarify that the channels are not there as a direct endorsement of pedophilia or a reflection of Appleman's views on pedophilia (for those that believe that he is). Instead, they're there because banning is not really something that tends to happen in #lainchan.

>>3824 A channel with FOUR PEOPLE. In case you don't know how IRC works, here are some channels that have more users than that on the lainchan server right now: - A channel for the C3 in 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Congress) - A channel for the ctf https://wargame.whitehat.vn - A channel that is only for bot testing - A channel for pastedumps and spamming - ... and a slew of others

>>3771 >And if it is hard, why is he administrator? Because he popped up out of nowhere in the IRC and bought the site from kalyx for $5,000 the moment kalyx mentioned it was for sale. >>3814 And Appleman wonders why people call him incompetent. >>3787 POST LOGS. People will not understand the gravity of the situation until they see it firsthand.

>>3826 ...and that makes it ok how? If there are only four people, that is even *more* reason to fuarrrking get rid of it.

>>3827 >>3787 I agree posting logs would probably help the community decide if 'childlove' and 'pedo' are for pedophiles who do not wish to offend talking about their illness. Or for something more creepy and sinister.

>>3829 >>3827 I have a backlog of several months but it's basically stuff like this: Tsutsukakushi> other kids are at the pool thing i think <Tsutsukakushi> lily is there <Tsutsukakushi> she didn't want to <Tsutsukakushi> she just wanted me to catch :p <Iwakura> How do you catch? <Iwakura> By grabbing and lifting>? <Tsutsukakushi> :p <Tsutsukakushi> sometimes <Tsutsukakushi> ye <Tsutsukakushi> or just touching <Tsutsukakushi> :p <Iwakura> How does it feel to touch another human? <Tsutsukakushi> g-good <Iwakura> Must feel good. <Tsutsukakushi> :3 <Iwakura> Yeah <Iwakura> America, that soykaf never happens. :( <Tsutsukakushi> well <Tsutsukakushi> if you lived in an area with lots of kids it might :o <Iwakura> I don't have much children nearby. <Iwakura> And I don't think randomly visiting a school would be legal. <Tsutsukakushi> had to let her in again <Tsutsukakushi> cus she had scraped her knee <Tsutsukakushi> when she biked <Tsutsukakushi> put two bandaids on her :p <Tsutsukakushi> i have 3 primary schools in a 500m radius <Iwakura> Would she ever do more? <Iwakura> Lucky you. <Tsutsukakushi> gotta fix friend's compie <Iwakura> Did he forget to install GNU/Linux? <Tsutsukakushi> he uses windows <Tsutsukakushi> he doesn't really into computers <Iwakura> But there are retard friendly linux distros <Tsutsukakushi> also <Tsutsukakushi> tickled the gril a bit :3 <Iwakura> where? <Tsutsukakushi> her tummy <Tsutsukakushi> cus that's where she was ticklish :p <Tsutsukakushi> she's at the door again <Iwakura> Did you pet her? <Tsutsukakushi> :p <Tsutsukakushi> i pet her head :p <Tsutsukakushi> if that's what you mean <Iwakura> I do <Tsutsukakushi> i see lily outside as well <Iwakura> Is there other petting areas? <Iwakura> lol <Tsutsukakushi> i dunno <Iwakura> *are <Tsutsukakushi> sounds like a trap question <Tsutsukakushi> :| <Iwakura> I guess the ass? <Iwakura> Does she trust you? <Tsutsukakushi> um <Tsutsukakushi> i dunno <Tsutsukakushi> enough to just barge in my home it seems >.< <Tsutsukakushi> she is smashing the doorbell, again <crash_override> wew <Iwakura> Jesus <Tsutsukakushi> she had scraped her leg again <Tsutsukakushi> had to put another bandaid on her ~.~ <Iwakura> Is she doing it on purpose to meet you? <Tsutsukakushi> >.< i hope not <Tsutsukakushi> i'll run out of bandaids soon

>>3830 This was just something that was in my scrollback from today also, i didn't cherry-pick from the whole backlog or anything.

>>3831 >>3830 Why not just post the whole backlog and let lainons cherry pick it themselves?

>>3832 >>3830 Ah yes, I can upload text files x-x I forgot about that feature.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,7,8,9) Always elaborate on your opinions, Don't spam or advertise unrelated content, Don't post child pornography or 2D/3DCG/PG sexual depictions of children)

fuarrrk you Appleman pedophilia-enabling child porn condoning chan-ruining cuntbag(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

>bring up the topic, the conversation devolves into numerous calls of 'please go away' SO fuarrrkING BAN THEM

>obvious attempt to further hurt appleman and the site's reputation via a dumb normal user easy gotcha smear campaign >neolain falls for it

>>3836 >people having legitimate complaints is somehow a smear campaign

>>3839 It could be some kind of false flag operation.

>>3840 >The contemporary term false flag describes covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that activities appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. It's like you don't even know what that phrase actually means.

Eh, I am for banning it. Not so much because I want to censor stuff, but because even though this does not guarantee the FBI being on our server, but it increases the chance of the FBI sniffing on our server, which is concerning enough.

>>3840 but appleman's own response isn't a false flag.

>>3841 I know I was using the term loosely at best. Couldn't think of a better term so I just went with it.

>>3770 Link to Tsutsukakushi's blog for those wondering: https://blog.gnu.moe/love/index.html

>>3834 >child porn condoning If anyone posts child porn they get derezzed, it is against the site's rules and the irc network's rules.

>>3834 >>3834 >>3834 sauce for max meme value

>>3833 Neat. >>3848 Okay, and where do you draw the line for CP? Becuase this https://girlti.me/g/src/1491272104564-1.jpg was linked in the chat. You tell me whether or not you think that should be allowed. Hmmm, if only there was some sort of place this was outlined, oh wait. >Do not post child pornography or questionable 2D/3DCG/3DPG sexual depictions of children. This includes "child models". The content of the channel explicitly violates the rules of the website, no need to thank me for moderating your own board while you draft an "official statement" you illiterate retard.((USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4,7,8,9) Avoid personal attacks, elaborate on your opinions, Don't spam unrelated content, Don't post child porn or 2D/3DCG/PG sexual depictions of children)

>>3836 He is doing this to himself. We wouldn't be here if he would just delete the fuarrrking channel and move on. What does lainchan.jp have to do with anything?

Is the IRC still hosted on the same VPS as the image board? So my post here is on the same server as posts in #childlove? Both in cleartext? I just want to get this straight.

>>3852 If we're talking about a massive .jp psyop, wouldn't it be the anti-.jp posting itself? Anytime a legitimate criticism is brought up it's met with >lol gb2 jp >.50 lains hab been debosidded into ur account :DDDD Or maybe this post itself is a psyop try to discredit counter-jp posters.

>>3854 >Both in cleartext? Neither are in cleartext. Encryption is mandatory on both the imageboard and the IRC.

>>3856 It is all cleartext on the server itself. The SSL encryption is only for data in transit to and from the server.

We already have something which could attract the attention of a Law Enforcement Agency: /drg/, which has more users and interaction than these ~4 pedophiles. #childlove is a channel for anyone to discuss pedophilia or their love of children, platonically or otherwise. Though it must be stated, I've never seen these pedophiles say anything incredibly graphic. Per rule 8: Do not post child pornography or questionable 2D/3DCG/3DPG sexual depictions of children. This includes "child models". This hasn't been violated, and if it was, Appleman would take appropriate action, as he always does. Immediate action isn't necessary in this situation given the context. Majority rule doesn't necessarily mean the majority is right.

>>3808 and >>>3855 >Tsutsukakushi >crash_override >Iwakura >joka >kek all confirmed lainchan.jp spies. they just made #childlove to start drama and push their own board.

>>3858 see >>3851

>>3859 Confirmed how? Kalyx has hated tsutsu for years.

>>3859 eVeRyOnE iS a Jp SpY fuarrrk have we gotten that bad?

>>3859 A part of me thinks you're being serious even though my sense of logic tells me it's obviously a joke

>>3859 >>3863 Nevermind what I said, unjustifiably throwing dirt at others makes you a soykaf person. and you should generally be ostracized

An organization or government"s role is not to enforce majority rule (which will happen regardless), but to protect minorities, future generations, and nonpersons from this majority rule. Just like most brown people are not terrorists and it is wrong to profile them as such, most pedos are harmless. Just like having a rape fetish doesn't make you a rapist, being pedo doesn't make you a child molester. We must constantly remind ourselves to have the wherewithal never to base decisions or actions on outliers, no matter how horrific or culturally unacceptable. Those of you demonizing others for simply having an uncommon fetish should feel ashamed.

>>3865 Kill yourself Im not joking.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

>>3862 One of my posts was deleted by lisp like this in λ. Mods?

>>3866 Seconded

You are all welcome to come lurk in #childlove but I'll ask you not to spam so we don't have to make an invite-only channel that you can't spam in. There is nothing illegal or immoral going on there, mostly just us talking about how wonderful little girls are (gay pedos are welcome to come talk about little boys as well). >>3764 >The final, and most important point, is that it is in no way lainchan related. It is lainchan related in that it's a channel for pedos on lainchan. No one has made any effort of bringing pedos from elsewhere in. Just because there wasn't a specific channel for it before doesn't mean we didn't exist. In fact people often complained that the discussion about paedophilia should be on it's own channel, now that it is people are crying about the channel. It's also ironic since most of the paedophile discussions on #lainchan seem to originate from the few paedophile haters. >>3830 Nicely taken out of context, which was playing tag. >>3861 And I've hated him back just as much.

>>3869 >just us talking about how wonderful little girls are That is the single most creepy thing I've ever read on lainchan. If this soykaf doesn't stop, I'm gone for good. I don't know when I'm even still here. Staff. Are you trying to drive users away? I mean really come on. This is your fuarrrking job! Get rid of these people.

>>3869 I'm not sure how your idea of defending yourself is making it much, much worse. To be frank, this is already something that was inevitable when you decided that this site really needed to host discussions that are against the morals and good taste of most societies and groups. Trying to defend this as "it's only the people who dislike it is making it a problem" is ignoring the fact you are walking an incredibly thin line towards actual illegality. Seriously, either stop or take your bullsoykaf somewhere else. You're just making Lainchan look bad the longer this goes on, because you decided that this is your hill to die on, you fuarrrking nonce.

>>3869 >No one has made any effort of bringing pedos from elsewhere in. Maybe because we didn't have a channel SPECIFICALLY FOR PEDOPHILES. pol didn't invade until we had civ. Look how that turned out. We shouldn't wait to see what happens with #childlove. We should just fuarrrking delete it. Yet we're still waiting for some kind of statement in defense of it? What is wrong with you people?

I love how they use "jp drama" as cover to hide this from /mega/. Lains deserve to know what other services are being run on the computer that hosts the website. I would ask if there could be anything worse that we don't already know about, but then again I don't know what could possibly be.

>>3865 >protect future generations, Says the pedophile. You people need to just fuarrrk off, even criminals have limits, and people given the chance in jail will stick barbed wire up your arse. You people are degenerates even by criminal standards. EVEN CRIMINALS WORK TO BRING YOU SICKOS DOWN.

It's hilarious that the site is full of authoritarians pretending to be anarchists or libertarians. What a joke you people are. >>3871 >you decided that this site really needed to host discussions The discussion was already there. I just took it to a separate channel as per Appleman's and other people's request. >are against the morals and good taste of most societies and groups This fallacy is called appeal to popularity. >is ignoring the fact you are walking an incredibly thin line towards actual illegality. We can revisit this topic if I actually do something illegal. But you guys don't really care about legality, this all just boils down to "stop liking what I don't like!" >You're just making Lainchan look bad In whose eyes? Almost no one even knows about the site, even fewer know about the IRC. >>3872 >Maybe because we didn't have a channel SPECIFICALLY FOR PEDOPHILES. I mean into this channel specifically for **lainchan paedophiles**. No one has tried to bring non lainchanner paedophiles there and won't. >We shouldn't wait to see what happens with #childlove. Over half of the people on the IRC didn't even know it existsed until couple of days ago and it's months old already. How do you suppose random people from other sites would find out about it when they don't know about this site or the IRC?(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4,5) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions, Don't feed the trolls.)

>>3875 everyone knows you're a troll dude

Hello Fellow "Dudes" I hear you have "Rad" CeePee.

I'm sure this has been pointed out already, but as far as I know everyone is free to create channels to talk about whatever they want (as long as it's in legal territory, of course). Trying to impose your own morality on others is the same as denying their freedom of thought, which I'm pretty sure lainchan doesn't endorse.

I don't see the problem here either. It's good that Appleman doesn't enforce any strict moral codes on the community, like what we can talk about or not talk about. As >>3743 pointed out it's merely a containment channel for lainchan users who happen to be pedophiles. Banning people because they want to express their thoughts freely is just tyranny.

>>3873 >I love how they use "jp drama" as cover to hide this from /mega/. Applememe did this during the last "drama" flare-up to cover his own ass. >Lains deserve to know what other services are being run on the computer that hosts the website. THIS. Let's add it to the suggestion thread.

>>3873 >Lains deserve to know what other services are being run on the computer that hosts the website. The IRC server is linked at the top of every page. You can see all channels on the IRC server with the IRC 'LIST' command.

>>3881 They shouldn't have to go out of their way to confirm or deny whether or not the website they use is a safe haven for pedophiles. You people are fuarrrking insane.

>>3883 If they're not clearly marked, how will we know who to discriminate against?!

I know I'm going to get a lot of soykaf for this but I am a hebephile who has a hard time because I happen to have a sort of strange attraction towards young teens. But that doesn't make me want to openly discuss the subject where it doesn't belong I come to lainchan to talk technology. This used to be a technology site, I don't know if there is anyone here who's been around long enough to remember.

Holy soykaf this place is fuarrrked. So very fuarrrked, I'm sorry defending pedos? That's too far, now this threads full of sick pedophiles defending their sexual exploitation of children. I hope this bites you all in the ass, you are all very sick people.

>>3883 If you have to go out of your way to confirm it it's obviously not so much of a safe haven. It was one channel some guy made. I've used IRC for months and didn't even know it existed. Don't blow it out of proportion or pretend it's representative of the site as a whole.

>>3885 In case you haven't noticed, the IRC has always been very off-topic. Yet another small and insignificant channel where people talk about their love towards children won't change much. In fact everyone who feels uneasy about that topic should appreciate it.

>>3879 s/strict moral codes/conservative moral code/

thread turned to soykaf quick. we need more comfy, not this drekk. this is what needs to be done: lainons: stop giving the users on the channel this attention. that's all they crave. report directly to appleman and move on. most of them are just looking to argue and normalise their behaviour. childlove users: stop acting like you just discovered that children are good looking. 45% of the world agrees with you, we just don't run around trying to push the topic constantly. this is lainchan, your soykaf doesn't need to spill everywhere. keep it to yourself or within relevant /cyb/ context. pretty much this: >>3885 >>3888 there is no need for a thread here about pointless IRC drama

>>3891 We need more comfy yes. So, scrub away the pedo stuff from the server and we are all happy. :)

>>3891 >45% of the world agrees with you Ah yes, another pedophile. Your opinion really isn't valid in this context you sick fuarrrk.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

The nonces are a psyop tbh. First we had the CP spam, yes? Now we have them vocalising it, causing us to talk about nothing but the nonce menace. Who stands to benefit from this discord and added weight on Applelman? And why?

>>3894 Oh, it can't be that people just might have a problem with pedophilia discussions taking place on the site! No! This is some sort of long-winded .jp psyop!

>>3894 >>3895 It's more likely that we've just been overrun by idiot normal users. Irrational THINK OF THE CHILDREN pedo fearmongering is one of the dumbest lowhanging fruit distractions there is - Anyone who falls for it does not belong here.

>>3896 It's a distraction because it's important. Just because people use yelling "fire!" as an opportunistic distraction to steal things does not mean that fire breaking out is not a problem. The fact that people know it is a problem is what makes it work in the first place.

>>3834

>Only normal people have a problem with pedophilia I am angry http://www.prisonoffenders.com/prison_life.html EVRRYONE fuarrrkING HATES IT

Lainchan just lost another user. This soykaf is making me weary. Goodbye.

>>3898 >>3850(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

This is an official reply, any information is purely informative, another reply summarizing actions taken will be made in this thread. The reply may be considered long and hence TLDR by some posters. The TLDR for the reply : Lots of complicated background information, if you only care about outcomes see section 7, and wait for the follow up reply that specifies what action has been taken. The summary for this reply is as follows 1. Factoids and Misconceptions 2. The proposals suggested so far. 3. Replies to points made in the thread 4. Possible courses of action 5. Additional issues 6. Other related threads. 7. Probable outcomes 1. Factoids and Misconceptions Firstly the IRC and the image board are not the same venue and don't have the same rules. Implying that the rules on the image board magically carry over to the IRC server is incorrect. As stated below Rules 8 and Rule 9 were implicitly carried over, and the rules for the IRC Server will need to be updated to be more explicit based on the feedback from this post. The IRC server was created in order to host the Lainchan Administration conversation platform on an Open Source platform as opposed to Slack at the request of several of the Lainchan Administration team including members that have left and gone to lainchan.jp and have now moved back from IRC to Telegram, and any other channels were just considered an added bonus. Also previously on the IRC server anyone was allowed to make both registered and unregistered IRC channels and run those channels , so long as they obeyed the server rules, however based on the feedback of this post, that may no longer be the case. This isn't the same with boards on the image board, because we are not 8chan, and the official procedure for getting a board added to Lainchan whether hidden or on the board list, involves making sufficient posts about a topic in /r/ as an indication of demand, as well has finding a staff member willing to moderate said board, and providing a definition of post relevance and post quality for said board. See the /r/ thread in section 6 for more information but in short the IRC community, image board community, Mumble community,etc are different communities with some overlap. Secondly the difference between #lainchan IRC channel on Freenode and its successor on irc.lainchan.org and Lainchan image board. Thirdly the #lainchan IRC cultural legacy and its backstory. The #lainchan IRC channel on Freenode was a lot of different things to a lot of different people, and it was its own little IRC world, where shitposting that wasn't tolerated on the imageboard was encouraged, and the only rule that I was told (after surveying lainons for over 6 months, and asking former Lainchan founder and staff) of was the 33% shitposting, 33% quality discussion and 33% comfy rule. In making the #lainchan channel on irc.lainchan.org, I have tried to keep #lainchan in the same spirit as the original channel, the main difference being the difference in enforcement of rules, e.g. Freenode had people that were given OP because kalyx chose them and no other reason, and they were given full autonomy with no accountability for their actions to ban and kick and shitpost as they saw fit. Currently no such OPs exist in #lainchan on irc.lainchan.org and the channel is largely unmoderated, though I do attempt to gently mitigate spamming and other complaints, and I am looking for people that want to be OP on #lainchan and can demonstrate their restraint / inaction / gentleness in their approach. This is in contrast to #general for General Discussion that is a moderated channel with rules that are actively moderated and a such it is normally quite quiet in comparison. The whole reason #childlove and #pedo and #girltime exist was because specific individuals would not stop being militant about their pedophilia in #lainchan, and in addition to the subject being pedophilia, it was this militant attitude of always bringing the topic up, or private messaging people without asking them and bringing the topic up, which lead to people in the IRC making complaints about those actions being uncomfy, and my enforcement of the you are being uncomfy take it elsewhere request. However this was interpreted as being channel specific by the person I asked to take their conversation elsewhere instead of server specific, so first they made the unregistered channel of #pedo, then no liking the connotations of that made the unregistered channel on #girllove. #girltime was made separately by other people that just wanted a place where they could shit post about their daily lives and if they happened to mention the girltime image board by accident it wouldn't be a big deal, and was actually registered. 2. The proposals suggested so far. The Reef Band Proposal http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/5f/5f2d9a1dd5ecce009538b926f97dd38e889fefc26cbdde9066c9fc4ca8c07993.jpg 1. Ban all pedos, 2. Delete all pedo channels 3. Channel whitelist to stop people from making new channels. The Biyeophile Proposal https://i.imgflip.com/1urhj.jpg 1. Lock the channels 2. Redirect to an onion messageboard on the same topic 3. Replies to points made in the thread >>>/q/3741 >Worst of all, it even has Appleman's blessing: It doesn't have my blessing, see #lainchan cultural legacy discussion as well as >>>/q/3825 which succinctly summarized the context of the quoted redirections. >>>/q/3758 >Appleman seems completely oblivious. >He probably has no idea why this would >make us question his judgement. I am not completely oblivious, I am entirely aware of why this would make you question my judgement. And just in case I wasn't I have been told so , by all these replies in the thread, as well as over 10 different lainons on IRC and Mumble, exactly what other people think should be done if they were in my shoes, despite having a limited idea of the weight of those shoes and the consequences of the footprints. >>>/q/3760 >[18:47]<Appleman1234> S1ohy: it just is another oppurtunity cost thing, X amount of time spent replying to this drama thread instead of making lainchan better. >You could start making lainchan better by removing a safe haven for pedophiles. >Pull your head out of your ass. Last I checked the was no safe haven for pedophiles, and my head was attached to my shoulders and at opposite end of my torso to my bottom, and I haven't owned a donkey / ass to date. >>>/q/3675 >How the fuarrrk can you condone CP Appleman wtf. I don't condone CP, and it doesn't matter whether I condone or condemn CP, what matters is what this community and their communication platforms rules are regarding this issue and the enforcement of those rules. For the image board these are currently well defined, explicitly stated and established, however this isn't the case for the IRC server to date, because other than then implicit statement that the Rules 8 and 9 from the image board Do not post child pornography or questionable 2D/3DCG/3DPG sexual depictions of children. This includes "child models". If you must post it, spoiler any NSFW content and make sure it's relevant to the discussion. also are upheld on the IRC server, there is no explicit rule definition for the IRC server, this will be changing in the immediate future however. >>>/q/3770 Thanks for actually stating an opinion and elaborating, unlike so many other posters in this thread. It is great to hear you still care about this place. >If anyone still has Tsutsukakushi's blog, you should probably link to that, if you're interested in the kind of discussions being hosted on what I assume is the very same VPS as lainchan. However your assumption is a poorly worded misunderstanding at best and a deliberate misinformation attempt at worst. I already responded in >>>/q/3837 attempting to clarify the misunderstanding caused by your word choice, where several lainons thought you meant lainchan was hosting the aforementioned blog. >>>/q/3817 >>3758 >He is completely oblivious. He thinks this is just some "drama thread," according to the log >>3751 posted. >>>/q/3778 >>3760 >drama thread >is this seriously what he thinks this is? I think this thread given the poor quality of OP and all the rule violations in this thread, it is both a thread that contains * A serious issue being reported * That issue being dramatized and overreacted upon by people that are not willing to be patient and just wanting instant gratification / lynching, * The interaction of various attempts at people stirring soykaf for their own personal objectives as per >>>/q/3503 * A mixture of memes and other things. >>>/q/3809 >>3806 >I am still drafting an official statement. >In the amount of time it took you to read this thread and respond you could have already deleted it. Why draft an official statement? Stop talking and start doing. You are underestimating the amount of effort and the temporal costs of the actions required as well as implied your lack of temporal constraints on my circumstance. On Action without thought I defer to the following quotes http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-action-without-thought-is-empty-thought-without-action-is-blind-kwame-nkrumah-68-68-59.jpg http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-action-without-thought-is-mindlessness-and-thought-without-action-is-hypocritical-ayn-rand-52-54-01.jpg >>>/q/3810 >>3806 >just get rid of the Pedos already. >There is nothing to discuss. these are pedophiles you are defending. Discussion and communication are important. At present I don't believe I am defending anyone, however you could argue that I am defending all lainons from themselves. >>>/q/3771 >Appleman makes it out like it's this huge complicated mess when it's really not. Delete the channel and move on. It's not that hard. And if it is hard, why is he administrator? I am not making out that anything is anything. If you are reading logs from IRC then you are reading information said in context, and you may not have a full understanding of that context when interpreting logs, which is why analyst positions exist in organisations for people whose day job it is to take raw data / logs and information and turn it into actionable intelligence or summarized information that can be used to benefit the organisation. Difficulty of the actions required is also misunderstood here, but that is beside the point. >>>/q/3827 >>>3771 >>And if it is hard, why is he administrator? >Because he popped up out of nowhere in the IRC and bought the site from kalyx for $5,000 the moment kalyx mentioned it was for sale. I didn't pop up of nowhere, I have been on the IRC for at least 1.5 years, and I had been viewing and posting on the chan since 2015, I wasn't the first person kalyx mentioned selling it to, I just happened to go to the effort of following thorough on the offer. >>>3814 >And Appleman wonders why people call him incompetent. I don't wonder why people call me incompetent most of the time, because most of the people calling incompetent (that are not rule 4 breaking drive soykaf slingers), actually elaborate on their reasoning and provide me with constructive criticism and feedback so I can improve my lack of competency. >>>3787 >POST LOGS. People will not understand the gravity of the situation until they see it firsthand. Posting logs on the image board has been traditionally culturally frowned upon because of all the drama it generated, when people complete post logs with good intentions, and then people see those logs and think these logs are too long to read, and other people summarize these logs in a manner that is full of soundbites and bite sized pieces , but removes the original context from the quotes, leaving misinterpretation and misunderstanding as very likely outcomes. >>>/q/3834 >>>/q/3850 >fuarrrk you Appleman pedophilia-enabling child porn condoning chan-ruining cuntbag I am not enabling pedophilia. I do not condone child porn. I am not a chan ruining cuntbag. 3 strikes , your out. I am a meme now ? Such a nice hat, Such nice finger pistols Such a nice fridge. >>>/q/3851 >>3833 >Neat. >>3848 >Okay, and where do you draw the line for CP? >Becuase this > REDACTED >was linked in the chat. You tell me >whether or not you think that should be >allowed. >Hmmm, if only there was some sort of place this was outlined, oh wait. >Do not post child pornography or questionable 2D/3DCG/3DPG sexual depictions of children. This includes "child models". >The content of the channel explicitly violates the rules of the website, no need to thank me for moderating your own board while you draft an "official statement" you illiterate retard. In terms of your line drawing question, see the response under additional issues, e.g. issues with the reef band proposal's initial definition. Last I checked, I was both literate and not retarded, and hence capable of reading and writing a reply to your post. I can't find the link you are posting in either server logs or in my client logs, though this may be a misconfiguration on my part. The linked image you mentioned is not as far as I know a sexual depiction of a child, in that their is no sexual act taking place, as well as no nudity. That said I can see how a person could consider the image as a sexualized depiction of a child, but that is imparting their personalized morality on the image subjectively, which falls under the questionable category. Though the posting of this image wasn't reported to me outside of this thread, and so far and the logs that have been posted contain 3 girltime links which are also non sexualized depictions of a child/children. I don't believe the girltime links were posted in #lainchan, which means the containment was working. Your point of line drawing , which you try and iterate with this image is covered in section 6. >>>/q/3877. >Hello Fellow "Dudes" >I hear you have "Rad" CeePee. Hi man over there, I believe you are misinformed. See the man over there (Doo doot, doo doot) He's a Leo, check his hair (Doo doot, doo doot) Virgo eyes, Aries smile (Doo doot, doo doot) I like the Leo, check his style (Doo doot, doo doot) You look like a nice LEO, so if you are looking for "Rad" CeePee , you want to try http://fr-fr.radioline.co/ecouter-radcp-la-radio-disney or http://db.radioline.fr/pictures/radio_2cb573fb3554ce28ca5ed00422c5c30f/logo200.jpg?size=600 . >>>/q/3887 >Holy soykaf this place is fuarrrked. >So very fuarrrked, I'm sorry defending pedos? That's too far, now this threads full of sick pedophiles defending their sexual exploitation of children. >I hope this bites you all in the ass, you are all very sick people. OMG, rabid animals are going around biting people in the ASS and people are getting very sick. Do we panic and cause a massive health scare or to we keep calm and innoculate against the rabies infection. As per the supporting image of this post and the linked image below, Keep calm and don't jump to erroneous conclusions. https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-don-t-jump-to-conclusions-2.png >>>/q/3906 >>>3903 >He brought this upon himself. If he were >more intelligent, he would have deleted >the channel and moved on. Instead he >continues to double down and defend >his decision. What could he have >possibly expected to happen? Everyone >just be cool with it? I didn't bring this on myself or ask for any of this. I don't see with how not responding to your temporal constraints has anything to do with my intelligence. I haven't made a decision yet, there is nothing to double down on, and the decision I am likely to make is in the opposite direction of your claim ? >>>/q/3907 >>3906 >That's pretty much it. Appleman is _very_ autistic in the sense that he's >super-detached from normal society and >the notion of social norms being a thing. >He doesn't understand why people are upset, he just sees "drama". And then, >since he has no facility with actually e.g. >keeping track of what people want and >why, he tries to create abstract formal >structures and tries to goad people into >following them as "the rules" or "the >procedures". He also does this to >compensate for his total lack of >organizational ability but that's an >unrelated matter, in this case. >Now, this is a thing that can work. But it >only works insofar as you keep track of >what people actually _want_ and then >channel that into such structures. Most >of us have an intuitive understanding of >what other people want because we try >to figure out what the social norms are >and then either comply with them or use >them to our advantage depending on >our temperament. >Appleman does not do this at all. >The fact that most people simply don't >want even slight association with >pedophiles eludes him, and thus people >need to explain this fact to him. This is a baseless personal attack, and makes several assumptions about my character and disposition based on limited interactions on IRC and jumping to incorrect conclusions. It is an attempt to dehumanize me in order to make me the bad guy, all because people made incorrect assumptions and misunderstandings and took stuff I said out of context. 4. Possible courses of action Just because a course of action is listed here, doesn't mean it will be taken. 1. Shutdown everything. the Madagascar approach / Nuclear option http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Shut_b76733_1693530.jpg 2. Shutdown IRC server. The Numb3rs approach http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/7/2/8/53728.jpg 3. Channel white list for IRC, deleting existing channels and issuing bans. (Actual implementation of the reef band proposal.) https://a.safe.moe/N2DAH.jpg 4. Ask them to leave nicely approach. https://lygsbtd.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/go-away.jpeg 5. Tolerate them as long as they are in not violating rules in other channels and abide by the server rules https://a.safe.moe/7KO3Q.jpg 5. Additional issues Just because I list an issue here, doesn't mean I have provided a full elaboration and just because I have asked a question doesn't mean that don't already have answers for it. 1. Issues with the Reef Band Proposal The terms used are not defined or specified. What is the definition of 1. Ban 2. A pedo 3. All pedos What makes a channel a pedo channel ? 2. Issues with the Biyeophile Proposal Lock all the channels, but not delete them ? Doesn't deal with the creation of new channels ? Redirect conversation elsewhere to onion message board ? Do we even want to have a redirect ? Which onion message board ? 3. Issues raised in the IRC discussion This is a witch hunt based on emotional and personal subjectivity morality , under the argument the majority of people also share that emotional and subjective morality. If we are banning people based on a witchhunt , then several users want all the following things banned by the same argument. * All sexual discussion * All liberals, marxists, anarchists, and communists. * Non-free software users * Americans * Women * Drug users * <insert other group user doesn't like here> The following quote from IRC. E.g. It's not a matter of oppression, it's banning for nothing other than hurt feelings which is the problem. The Free Speech issue vs Censorship issue. Some people believe that all internet communities inherently allow free speech and assume the free speech people can talk / post whatever they like without consequences and can militantly force their views on others. Democracy vs Benevolent Oligarchy and its role within Lainchan issue Freedom vs Control issue. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-those-who-would-give-up-essential-liberty-to-purchase-a-little-temporary-safety-deserve-neither-benjamin-franklin-283040.jpg Centralized VS Decentralized Control Issue Information wants to be free Issue 6. Other related threads. On the difference between IRC and Imageboard culture for Lainchan: >>>/r/2739 or https://lainchan.org/r/res/2739.html I still need to reply to this thread. Previous thread about this topic: b0b's complaint about getting a 1 day ban in #general for whistleblowing / witchhunting https://archive.lainchan.jp/q/res/13222.html 7. Probable outcomes Based on the discussion above, the following outcomes are likely 1. The rule breaking posts in this thread will be publicly warned. 2. The IRC Server rules will be updated to be more explicit. They feature the rule 8 and rule 9 explicitly, the will also feature the People are people, Lainon are Lainons , Lain is Lain. Lets all Love motto, I keep repeating regarding tolerance and clauses against being militant or uncivil in one's conduct on the IRC server. 3. Based on the recommendations of several of the Lainchan administration team and discussion with several other users, a variant of the Reefband proposal is likely to be taken. E.g. Channel white list to stop people from making new channels will be deployed as part of the IRC server configuration. The 3 channels mentioned earlier will be deleted, and if registered will be dropped with services by being deleted and blacklisted. Regarding server bans, I am not yet decided on whether retroactive banning will take place or only bans for future offenses , and whether banning will be channel specific, server specific or mutebans or full bans. I still don't have a criteria for which Lainons to ban based on which rule breaches, and as far as I know the other only Lainons that could be banned based on interpretations Rule 8 and Rule 9 are kek, and arguably Tsutsukakushi if you equate text with images. As for lainons that should be banned on being overly militant towards their fellow lainons, that list is much longer, but probably won't be used as a basis for retroactive banning. How will these actions impact #lainchan's cultural heritage and bubble ? That is a good question.

>>3902 Cmon guys, you're hurting his public appearance. The poor boy is trying to get a job, don't make him sue for defamation.

Ow lawdy CP only lainchan?

>>3894 By that argument Appleman is a lainchan.jp spy.

>>3903 He brought this upon himself. If he were more intelligent, he would have deleted the channel and moved on. Instead he continues to double down and defend his decision. What could he have possibly expected to happen? Everyone just be cool with it?

>>3906 That's pretty much it. Appleman is _very_ autistic in the sense that he's super-detached from normal society and the notion of social norms being a thing. He doesn't understand why people are upset, he just sees "drama". And then, since he has no facility with actually e.g. keeping track of what people want and why, he tries to create abstract formal structures and tries to goad people into following them as "the rules" or "the procedures". He also does this to compensate for his total lack of organizational ability but that's an unrelated matter, in this case. Now, this is a thing that can work. But it only works insofar as you keep track of what people actually _want_ and then channel that into such structures. Most of us have an intuitive understanding of what other people want because we try to figure out what the social norms are and then either comply with them or use them to our advantage depending on our temperament. Appleman does not do this at all. The fact that most people simply don't want even slight association with pedophiles eludes him, and thus people need to explain this fact to him.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.)

>>3908 *Rolls eyes* Thanks Appleman, fuarrrk this, I'm done.

>>3909 Yeah. Just to make it clear for those who didn't see it: Someone posted a picture of a little girl (not a teen, a little girl) blowing a big fat man's cock in this thread with the message "We will not stop, you will. In the end, you're done. What can you do? Nothing. Appleman, hello. Lainons, goodbye." attached. Goddamn swine, get out of here you soulless fuarrrks!

>>3895 I was thinking higher. Perhaps part of a government push to normalise paedos. They're already meming about being like the gays, oh so oppressed when they don't hurt anybody. I don't know. Amazing how you immediately assume I meant jp, however. I entertained the notion but unless jp has been brewing since before the kalyx incident...if the CP spam began on /sec/ before the time when there was no /sec/ I could draw a link, but I cannot. The other possibility is that something is happening and someone stands to benefit from us being divided and unable to see it. But who? And what? And where? >>3905 No, I don't think so. I think he's being used as a well-meaning pawn in a game destined to stretch him to breaking point. Sage for brewing soykaf in a serious thread.

>>3912 >Firstly the IRC and the image board are not the same venue and don't have the same rules. Then why are they hosted on the same server? Why should we be forced to share it with pedophiles?

>>3912 Quit writing these useless posts and do something already.

>>3912 >The IRC server was created in order to host the Lainchan Administration conversation platform on an Open Source platform as opposed to Slack at the request of several of the Lainchan Administration team including members that have left and gone to lainchan.jp and have now moved back from IRC to Telegram, and any other channels were just considered an added bonus. How is any of this relevant to the situation at hand? What does the platform the lainchan.jp staff use have to do with any of this? Are you this detached from reality? I feel like you're not taking any of this very seriously. Stop wasting our time with this nonsense. Stop typing and start acting. It's your job.

>>3912 My opinion: In any course of action, the IRC server is in dire need of clearly-defined rules on the sexualization of minors discussion on things that could be potentially considered abuse. What kek posted in #childlove was absolutely not okay, and anything along those lines should be a perma-bannable offense. I would also hate to see bans handed out to anyone who doesn't deserve one. Iwakura and crash_override are both people who have driven discussion for a long time. A person should be judged, not by ephemeral things like their race, gender, or sexuality, but by their actions, and in this case especially their eagerness or aversion to harming another person. Course of actions #1 and #2 are plain stupid. There's no reason to take destructive action for an issue that can be fixed in a much better way. Course of action #4 is just a wet noodle version of CoA #3. So, from my point of view, it boils down to two options: tighten moderation on #childlove to ensure that what has happened cannot happen again, or delete #childlove and move to a whitelisting channel-creation method. I favour the latter personally because it would be more consistent with other moderation (the stream policy, the IRC server's bot policy). If someone wants an open-creation IRC server, they can always use an existing one (freenode, rizon) or host their own.

>>3912 >1. Shutdown everything. the Madagascar approach / Nuclear option are you threatening to delete lainchan? again? stop pretending you care about this place. either put it out of its misery or start doing a better job. p.s. fuarrrk you.

>>3912 >Redirect conversation elsewhere to onion message board ? Do we even want to have a redirect ? Which onion message board ? Do you mean to suggest that lainchan.org would explicitly endorse and link to an underground pedo ring? Yet you say you don't condone CP? Who in their right mind would even think about that as an option? I can't believe what I'm reading right now. This entire place just makes me want to vomit.

>>3917 If Appleman does decide to implement a whitelist, here are a list of existing channels that I think should stay, due to historical presence and general quality of dicusion: #lainarchy #general #animu #books #brewing soykaf #bdsm #lainchan #sysadmin and a list of channels that should stay because they are officially affiliated or server some meta-purpose: #lainzine #lainwiki #laintracker #questions #agm #bots

>>3918 You're misinterpreting you retard. He's listing the possible courses of action. It's a choice, but unlikely to be the one he picks.

>>3921 >You're misinterpreting you retard. He's listing the possible courses of action. It's a choice, but unlikely to be the one he picks. No. I'm not. Why should that even be considered an option for us to evaluate?

>>3918 >>3919 >Just because a course of action is listed here, doesn't mean it will be taken.

>>3923 No, but the options one considers says a lot about them as a person. No one in their right mind should even entertain that idea.

>>3912 this is what we've been waiting for? "hey guys i cant do anything its complicated."

>>3916 Obviously he only wanted to point out how plebeian the .jp staff actually is. Nothing wrong with that.

>>3922 He's evaluating each option. Though it's an extreme one, it is still an option. There was no hint of actually putting it into action; it was mentioned with no real leaning toward doing so, and I doubt he would as he's quite involved in Lainchan. Do you know how much stress nonfat-soykaf drinkers bagging on him when he does x thing or doesn't do y thing or said z thing cause? Everyone on here seems to overreact to every last little thing. Not that paedos are a small problem, but it seems to be blown wide out of proportion by posters here. Once in a while Tsutsukakushi soykafs up the channel. That said, I still think it's a conspiracy of some kind.

>>3927 I'm so glad appleman is taking action

>>3928 It's a crazy over-the-top statement of the kind made by beleaguered bureaucrats who are called onto a scene without knowing soykaf about what has happened. And that is the only excuse for making a completely autismal statement of this kind. He, however, knows what is going on and he knows his userbase. There is no excuse.

>>3932

>>3912 >write a novel >don't make a decision

I can't believe this bullsoykaf. He's gone through the entire thread and warned people who criticize him or "create drama" as he sees it. I have never seen a worse case of total lack of interpersonal skills or grace. My uncle's wife who is genuinely autistic is more able at navigating situations like this. A _child_ could make better decisions re. what to do without pissing people off. It's actually rather unbelievable.

Did any of you actually read his post? He wants to do more than just banning people to make sure this doesn't happen again but he isn't just going to go ahead and make big changes to the IRC without thinking it through first. Nah, screw that, let's just soykaf on the guy because he doesn't have good presentation skills, because what you really need in your admin isn't a level headed sensible guy, it's a crowd pleaser. Anyway, to something productive. I'm not so sure about whitelisting IRC channels myself. I don't like the thought that people will have to jump through hoops to make a channel just because some pedo fuarrrks took advantage of our hospitality. Better just to make this explicitly against the rules and deal with any problem channels as they arise, imo. Still, not a big deal either way, just glad to know something is going to be done.

>>3912 >However your assumption is a poorly worded misunderstanding at best and a deliberate misinformation attempt at worst. >if you interested in the kind of discussions >kind of Discussions of that type, first of all, the blog is not a discussion, so why would I use that word? Second of all, if I were referring to the blog, I would simply say "If you are interested in the content", because if I were linking to the actual content itself, what type of content it was would become immediately apparent as you read it. Anything can be misinterpreted, if you think that "at best" that was a poorly worded misunderstanding, you're an idiot, and if you think it even comes close to deliberate misinformation, fuarrrk you. I suggested locking the channels because it seems to be an approach you are fairly comfortable with. To clarify, (this is no longer necessary, since >>3833 exists, just fuarrrking read it) I was trying to give users an objective frame of reference so that they could decide for themselves whether or not they thought the discussion was appropriate, in lieu of linking to the actual discussion, which would have been preferred. (and is now possible) So, here is the revised post. Some kind anon has posted logs of the channel in this thread, here. >>3833 If you are interested IN THE EXACT DISCUSSIONS being hosted BY THIS EXACT VPS, then you can read them there. To close, Congratulations, you have, against all odds, managed to ruin everything you touch. I'm not even going to respond to this because that would necessitate me coming back to this website, and seeing how drastically the quality has dropped is physically pains me. I've tried over and over and over again, and I'm done trying. gl;hf, I'm out.

>>3942 >if you think that "at best" that was a poorly worded misunderstanding, you're an idiot Except that people did get the wrong idea. It was poorly worded. >if you think it even comes close to deliberate misinformation, It's not like it would be surprising. It's not like the other people from .jp haven't done similar things, though trying to make out that he's a pedo is a new low. you yourself turned up to the AGM and spent hours going off topic to ask the same tired questionss that were answered in the first ten minutes. It's not unreasonable that your good faith is being questioned. >gl;hf, I'm out. Again? You're already a mod on .jp...

lol did he just delete his own legalistic thread on the topic? This whole ordeal is quite fun to watch

>>3943 is it hard to believe that the people who made jp had the most invested in lainchan and are the most effected by leaving?

So THIS is what the .jp folks were talking about when they made the new site. Appleman really IS hard to work with. I thought the drama from before was stupid little bs between mods but seeing Appleman's lack of action is sad. The longer Appleman takes to make a decision, the more incompetent he looks. Yes he wrote out options but options != action. For the sake of this site whitelist irc room creation, ban pedo talk and ban the pedos who caused this mess. At the very least do the first two. Hurry Appleman man hurry, while we still have faith in you.

>>3947 Hi Kalyx, what's up?

>>3947 I wasn't going to post a reply with a summary of actions taken until they were all taken, but since you want the blow by blow and are impatient, here you go So far 1. The rule breaking posts in this thread will be publicly warned. 2. The IRC Server rules will be updated to be more explicit. have both been taken, and the configuration of the IRC sever is being updated presently (right now) with the new blacklist and whitelist information that is currently being reviewed. For your first point see Rule 19, for your second point third item, other than Tsutsukakushi (that has posted in this thread , rather militantly) and kek (that based on the logs in this thread, posted links to questionable images in #childlove, but nowhere else), can you clarify who you are referring to and why they should be derezzed ? As I said in my previous post. >I still don't have a criteria for which Lainons to >ban based on which rule breaches, and as far as I >know the other only Lainons that could be >derezzed based on interpretations Rule 8 and Rule >9 are kek, and arguably Tsutsukakushi if you >equate text with images. >As for lainons that should be derezzed on being >overly militant towards their fellow lainons, that >list is much longer, but probably won't be used as >a basis for retroactive banning. >So THIS is what the .jp folks were talking about when they made the new site. Appleman really IS hard to work with. You are not working with me, you are just complaining that I haven't done exactly what you want or expect on your time frame. >I thought the drama from before was stupid little bs between mods but seeing Appleman's lack of action is sad. The only lack of action is the imagined lack of action because you don't see the action being taken, and stuff that happens out of sight, is out of mind. >Hurry Appleman man hurry, while we still have faith in you. When will this deity meme end ? To quote Jewel's Innocence Maintained, We are given to a god to put our faith therein But to be forgiven, we must first believe in sin We've made houses for hatred It's time we made a place Where people's souls may be seen and made safe Be careful with each other These fragile flames For innocence can't be lost It just needs to be maintained Also haste makes waste

>>3947 >won't join in or pander to a witch hunt >makes someone hard to work with/incompetent >ban the pedos who caused this mess >neurosuggesting there was any mess or problem before the THINK OF THE CHILDREN baiters decided to use this in their smear campaign

>>3948 Hi Appleman, what's up?

>let's all love lain >lain is a child

>>3953 Anime was shown in '98 , children born in '99 are 18 now.

>>3955 This is it, actual pedo soykaf on lainchan This site is going to hell

>>3907 >(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 3,4) Avoid personal attacks, Elaborate on your opinions.) TOP LEL Especially if they're against Appleman... wait, it wasn't even a personal attack, it was legit criticism. And of course elaborate, this guy clearly didn't right? Lainchan, deeper and deeper every post

>>3958 It is also a post full of insulting lies. Cut the guy some slack, he's had a pack of people hounding him and now this pedo soykaf. I'd probably be a little short with people too.

>>3957 lainchan gets its share of CP spam from time to time, like all imageboards. the mods are always very responsive to it.

>>3960 Indeed, I retract what I said, that was a swift removal.

Why can't we all just get along? I'm not complaining either when somebody talks about adult women on IRC.(Rule 3 & 4)

>>3962 Because you are sick and should be put in a noose(Rule 3, 4, & 5)

>>3963 It's so sad to me to see stuff like this coming out of this once great community. I would rather spend my time with the sickest of pedos than with mean spirited people like you.

Actually, appleman has autism, except whiteline fails to understand what autism is. As far as I know, Appleman selects other autistic people to mod, such as lisp and someone else I forgot. Whiteline's comment is mostly negative instead of cooperative to show the autistic person how they're illogical on a social decision. How whiteline(?) is being a jerk: >Appleman is _very_ autistic in the sense that he's super-detached from normal society and the notion of social norms being a thing. In reality, Appleman interacts daily with normal society and knows social norms exist, but doesn't pay fortified attention to them since they're typically incomprehensible to him. >Since he has no facility with actually e.g. keeping track of what people want and why, he tries to create abstract formal structures and tries to goad people into following them as "the rules" or "the procedures". Appleman as an autistic likes robotic conduct and operations. Autistics usually are very concrete people, not abstract, which is why they're usually literal, caring of definitions, and detailed in procedures. >But it only works insofar as you keep track of what people actually _want_ and then channel that into such structures. Most of us have an intuitive understanding of what other people want because we try to figure out what the social norms are and then either comply with them or use them to our advantage depending on our temperament. Appleman does channel what people want into his decisions but he doesn't admit to us, in a way we expect, that he is bad at it overall. A legitimate argument is he still doesn't accept that advice from ex-staff members are frequently better than his suggestions. Anyway, the main point I want Appleman to get from this is he needs to cooperate with other people's feelings, even if he thinks they're illogical. He should recognize his literal or routine thinking is sometimes wrong for social situations and his expectation for people to obey very odd routines is mistaken. Neurotypical aren't autistics, so you need to respect that, and how they'e different. He should abate his some of his managerial role and allow people who understand politics to manage or process certain social issues, like those with high social pressure. Personally I agree that Appleman shouldn't ban the pedos, except Tsutsukakushi who admitted he downloaded a huge quantity of child pornography and crash_override for linking child models. The channel can remain, monitored, since I have no issue with pedophiles merely discussing children through text, as long as I don't see it.

>>3964 >>3965 Pedophiles should have no place in polite society to even think about abusing children.

>>3966 >lainchan endorsing thoughtcrime O brave new world that has such people in't!

>>3966 .jp sh1tposter.

>>3965 I have talked to Appleman quite a bit, in bits and pieces over a long period of time. He utterly refuses to recognize that he has any impairment or indeed, that there is anything odd or different about how he does these things. He simply has a complete lack of insight - regarding how Lainchan is run for example, he simply constantly states that "things are complicated" when it is actually his crippled incompetence that makes it complicated - and he is too far down the hole to realize that it would not be so for other people. He also takes any criticism as a personal attack and also resorts to a threatening tone in private when trying to deal with this - he cannot deal with his own emotions and it frequently seems like tearful child-like anger is always hovering beneath the surface during such conversations. He has no depth in his emotional processing and that is sometimes frightening and creepy. I can accept autistic people - indeed, my own autistic tendencies is what allows me to empathize with him at all, many other people simply treat him like a stupid golem - but an autistic person without self-insight and who refuses to embark on any self-reflection that would give him such, cannot be reasoned with. And treating autistic people in the way you suggest - being "understanding" of their "non-neurotypicality" and so on is equivalent to reducing them to children or animals which is something I refuse to do.

>>3970

>>3970 Do you mind telling me where I said that last part? All I did was criticize you as an idiot who has no idea what autism is. In fact I told Appleman he's the one that needs to understand neurotypicals. Let me also point out how it's contradictory you describe him like a child but accuse me of doing that.

>>3972 It's an issue of tone. I treat him like a person who has chosen a position in life for which he is utterly unsuited. You use that "middle-aged social worker lady" tone and vocabulary to talk about him, which I detest. Also I am 100% aware of everything you said about autism. One of the things you missed was the concept of "weak central coherence" which I think is central to why Appleman approaches things the way he does. He simply cannot integrate details into a whole, and therefore resort to building these horrifyingly baroque procedures to plaster over the holes between his thoughts.

>>3973 Before I get out of this dumb argument, that tone is completely self-perceived. My /social worker tone/ is instead an objective, emotionally neutral refutation because you wrote a strong black and white depiction of Appleman's autism, which is frequently the case in people who want to dehumanize autistics on account of their personality faults. I don't buy your "I respect autistics and you don't" bullsoykaf one bit. It feels exactly like the rightists when they accuse oppressed groups of doing the wrong thing, by establishing pride organizations, events, etc.

>>3974 It is indeed a stupid argument and yes, the parallel with right-wingers and so on is spot-on analysis tbh. It's simply showing respect via displaying/asserting aggression openly as it where which is roughly the same thing as when the nazi-conservatives go "oh durr we ain't gonna pat the negroes on the head with no social programs." I guess it's simply "on it's head" from many people's perspective though, yes. But I still detest that tone, as you do mine.

>>3976 >>3975 Appleman's condition is relevant to the discussion because it has a direct bearing on how he reacts to situations and converses with other people. >>3976 This is so off-track, I'm almost convinced you're Appleman samef4gging.

>>3977 It's bloody well off track. It does however come up a lot in my life since I'm brusque and choose to be brusque and so it happens to be an answer I have at the ready for that specific issue. So let's drop the subject. Me secretly being Appleman would totes be hilarious though, yeh.

>>3969 >Anyone I Disagree with is from jpchan. How about no, I am truly pissed off. I was abused as a kid and now these people are being accepted? Its sickening.

>>3979 I'm sorry that happened Anon. Someone close to me was abused as well, and I can only imagine the horror it entails. I hated pedos even more when I found out. Its a soykafty situation but it sounds like Appleman is leaning towards banning them and any pedo talk which is good. It would make this place that much more comfy.

>>3979 >nigger robbed me >all niggers are robbers >i was raped by a man >all men are rapists

>>3980 I don't understand why we needed such a huge song and dance to do what should have been the obvious course of action from the get-go. Appleman makes mountains out of molehills and then tries to climb them blindfolded.

>>3982 He's not blindfolded, he's blind. >>3979 >>3980 Mmm. This is why I am so upset, even though I have no personal experience of molestation. Some people do not understand that pedophiles constitute such a huge threat and tries to equate it to homosexuality or such. But just look at those logs - we have a pedophile who freely admits that he lives within close range of several schools and that he seeks out contact with children to play with them. This sounds innocent until you remember that he is in fact sexually and romantically attracted to them in the same way as most men are to adult women. He's also said that he won't "do anything until they take the initiative" - but that is the reason that many nations have grooming laws - you can groom a kid and the pedo can keep pushing the limits more and more (goaded on and helped by the 'acceptance' they find at places such as #childlove) until it's close enough to "the kid took the initiative" and "our love for each other was real/we had a relationship" for them to absolve themselves of guilt. It's sickening to think about but in order to face this threat head-on one has to force oneself to.

So some people are now playing the autism card to convince Appleman to start a witch hunt on paedophiles? I'm not sure whether that actually works if he really has the 'tism, but good luck.

If you don't want CP on lainchan.org, you must be from jp!!

>>3983 >Some people do not understand that pedophiles constitute such a huge threat and tries to equate it to homosexuality or such. Some people do not understand that child abusers constitute such a huge threat and tries to equate it to paedophilia or such. According to the ACF only 8.4% (see first image) of all victims were sexually abused and of those only between ~13.7% and ~15.8% (see second image) were psychologically maltreated. I can also imagine that they're taking alcoholics who aren't necessarily paedophiles into account. [1] The perpetrators we're talking about are those who act on their feelings, not all paedophiles. In fact most prefer not to have sexual contact with prepubescent boys or girls because of ethical or legal issues. Of course finding accurate numbers for that is very difficult for obvious reasons. [1] https://www.acf.hhs.gov/cb/resource/child-maltreatment-2015 >>3985 This thread isn't even about CP. It's about whether paedophiles can exchange thoughts about children or not. Nothing else.

In addition to the actions mentioned in the previous post >>3950 The following additional actions have been taken. All 3 channels have been locked either using Services functionality for registered channels or IRC Server functionality for unregistered channels. Yes I used a CHANKILL command which temporarily derezzed people (for 5 seconds) in those 3 channels in order to enumerate channel user presence, the intention was not to ban them but to kick them, and chankick or chanpart isn't a thing. Currently the global blacklist prevention of the creation of new channels is yet to be deployed, because the compiled white list is only partially complete . I am still waiting for channel owning lainons to get back to me on whether they want their channel white listed or not. I will probably wait between 12 and 48 hours for replies and at a certain point just enable the global blacklist. From that point forward new channels will need to be approved in a manner similar to requesting an account for the Stream, e.g. private message a member of staff and answer a short survey that takes between 5 and 30 minutes, normally it is closer to 8 minutes though. Regarding taking any further actions e.g banning people, I am still waiting for validation of the who to ban and why, and I am not sure that retroactive banning is a good idea, because if retroactive bans are issued on the IRC server, then they should be consistent regardless of cause, and that impacts a lot more lainons than the 5 or 6 this thread has named and shamed with limited evidence.

>>3987 There is absolutely nothing at all that says that you need to engage in petty legalistic consistency re. retroactive banning. That's a construct that you've created inside that little autistic noggin of yours in order to manage a cruel and chaotic world. But I understand that you need actionable information so, if banning occurs then the following people should be derezzed for the following reasons (note that this is normal-person-reasons and not autism-people-reasons which you can follow back into some sort of legalistic axioms - if we where chimpanzees then the following are the monkeys who would get stones thrown at them, basically): Tsutsukakushi - for creeping on little girls IRL. Iwakura - for amongst other things admitting that he would want to engage in child sex tourism. Joka - for wanting to do what Tsutsukakushi does and just lacking the confidence to do so consistently. Kek - for admitting to molesting a child he babysat. Do not ban: crash_override - because he lives a non-contact lifestyle and has, at least as far as I know, sworn off child pornography. He has defended the other people in the banning crowd but this is not surprising nor does it constitute any sort of inherent offense. I have unregistered #books. You should contact the person who uses that channel and ask them to become the new registrar. No, I will not do it myself.

>>3986 >of those only between ~13.7% and ~15.8% (see second image) were psychologically maltreated Sorry, I was sleepy and misinterpreted the table a bit. It's in fact much lower. | Q_{sexually_abused} | = 44611 + 9166 + 1256 + 403 + 1079 = 56515 P("sexually abused and psychologically maltreated") = 403 / 56515 = 0.0071308502 = ~0.71% So if we want to know the percentage of all sexual victims who were additionally physically abused, neglected or psychologically maltreated, i.e. fuarrrked by bad people, then we have (9166 + 1256 + 403 + 1079) / 56515 = 0.21063434 = ~21% Of course as always, it could be a bit higher or lower in reality.

>>3989 Do you simply not understand that the rest of the world draws the line at little 8-year-old jenny being "fuarrrked", not just "fuarrrked while being beaten with a stick and called names"? Have you been raised under a bridge?

So, let's summarize: >on the 14th, it is pointed out that there is an issue with the lainchan IRC server >8 hours later, Appleman1234 responds that he is aware of the problem and drafting a course of action >lainons cry and scream at him for not acting more rashly >many people throw personal attacks at Appleman1234 directly and then get upset when the standard approach to rule-breaking is taken >2 days later, Appleman1234 publicly posts his write-up of the situation and after taking feedback from his userbase begins work on implementation >lainons devolve into accusations of .jp raiding and speculation on Appleman1234's psychological state >the next day, a comprehensive ruleset has been added to the IRC server and all pedo channels are locked, work is complete except for the channel owners who will undoubtedly take an order of magnitude longer to respond to Appleman1234 >he is insulted for his "petty legalism" and "consistency" thanks for acting like adults, lainchan...

>>3991 Petty legalism in his cognition re. the potential retroactive banning. He should act using common sense for the community. He should not act by hand-waving principles out of thin air and then following them in order to make it seem like he's being fair when he actually just don't know what a normal person would want be done. "Ohhh noooo, if I ban the pedos then I also need to ban everyone who has committed a technical rule breach ever, whatever shall I doooo? I can't do anything then, tehe~"

>>3987

>>3990 Have you forgotten all about your childhood? I haven't. Child sexuality is one of the most controversial and tabooed subjects in the average human society. Even today, in modern, well-educated and scientific times, it is still a taboo. The fact is that all healthy children are sexually active, which is perfectly normal. They are sexually active all the way from birth and their very first gasp of breath, and it stays with all of us until we die of old age. When I say sexually active, I mean that they are all capable of feeling and enjoying sex just as any adult person is. They can feel sexual arousal and stimuli. They can enjoy sex and begin breathing faster and deeper while being sexually stimulated. They can reach climaxes during sexual stimuli, as in strong and powerful orgasms, which afterwards make them feel relived and happy. And all this can happen with all healthy children of either gender and all ages. They feel a natural urge to explore it, and they enjoy doing that because it feels nice. They need to learn about sex, learn how their genitals work, learn how to stimulate themselves, learn how to handle orgasms, and so forth. And eventually, they will feel an urge to explore others, so they will also learn how to interact sexually with other humans; and especially learn about opposite gender genitals, how they work, and how to stimulate them. It has been suggested by underground researchers that sexual relationships between children and adults are natural and evolutionary advantageous. The adult gets sexually stimulated and satisfied, the child learns important things about sex, and they both create very special bonds that make them even closer; which in the end motivates the adult to further love and protect the child, thus becoming yet another evolutionary advantage for the child's actual survival. However, this is a very hard and strong meal to swallow and digest for most anti-pedophiles and law enforcement agents, who usually claim that this is not true. So will most religious people claim as well. But claiming that this isn't true, is just like claiming that the earth is flat. They will need to start reading books and start educating themselves within child sexuality to become enlightened. The earth is actually round, and this round earth inhabits horny and healthy children.

>>3994 You are like a vampire who deludes himself into thinking that his victims love him and find great enjoyment in having his fangs pierce their throats. Not only that, but you have your head so far up your ass that you think that your delusional world-view consists a compelling and meaningful argument when in reality it only causes people to recoil in horror and disgust.

>>3992 >"Ohhh noooo, if I ban the pedos then I also need to ban everyone who has committed a technical rule breach ever, whatever shall I doooo? I can't do anything then, tehe~"

>>3988 >Do not ban: crash_override - because he lives a non-contact lifestyle and has, at least as far as I know, sworn off child pornography. If the others also swear off child pornography do they get underezzed?

>>3997 >imp1ying they couldn't just pretend to swear off of it to get underezzed

>>3988 >That's a construct that you've created inside that little autistic noggin of yours in order to manage a cruel and chaotic world. >note that this is normal-person-reasons and not autism-people-reasons How you expect to talk to someone in so patronising a tone and get anywhere I don't know. I don't think he's the only one who's socially incompetent. I get it, you don't see these things and all of it is just going over your head. You should just do what I tell you and stop talking because this is obviously something that you're fundamentally incapable of grasping. You see now? It's not a nice thing to be told something like that and it certainly doesn't actually convince you that it's the case. More than that it isn't the case. He's not oblivious and, more importantly, your assessment of who should be derezzed is not universal. Yes, everybody knows that there's a problem and stuff needs to be done about it but you personally have pushed so hard that he should just suspend critical thought and do what you say immediately because that's what any "normal" person would do and any hesitation on his part is evidence of autism. That's not reasonable, especially when he has a whole bunch of other people telling him different things regarding the details. He's done the same thing here he always does. Gone slowly and carefully and done things thoroughly. Look at the new rules for IRC, there's all sorts of stuff in there about things like not telling people to run malicious commands and other unrelated, but good, rules. In general he seems to have focused on making sure it doesn't happen again (and it has happened before) rather than just banning people and forgetting about it. As with every other time something comes up all it takes is a little patience and it's fine.

>>3994 >Citation needed.

>>3995 I'm actually trying to have a meaningful conversation about child sexuality with you, but all I'm getting are ad hominems. Are you denying or ignoring the fact that child sexuality exists? In any case, once you grow up and you've got yourself a family with children, you will eventually notice it and be able to verify what I'm telling you. >when in reality it only causes people to recoil in horror and disgust. Well, it shouldn't surprise you that I don't care what other people think of me. I can think for myself. Nevertheless, as if it wasn't enough that children are capable of becoming aroused and get multiple orgasms all the way from their birth, it almost becomes a little bit too much when I now add that children actually have sexual needs as well, just like us sexually mature have. So yes, children have sexual needs. However, the basis for their needs is quite different from us sexually mature: If we start with us sexually mature, our needs are based on the hormone Testosterone. The testosterone levels within males increases along with our semen storage, making us more horny and sexually aggressive if our semen storage fills up. The testosterone levels within females increases according to their menstrual cycles, and when they're most fertile during this cycle. It can also increase within both males and females when being sexually triggered by e.g. touch and romance. Young teen males and females who've just entered puberty are even more hornier than any adult will ever be, because their hormone balance is way off during this challenging period and transition into adulthood. Puberty is actually triggered by the level of Testosterone within humans, meaning that prepubescent children normally have much lower Testosterone levels than youths and adults. Since Testosterone is a part of puberty and adult sex drive, where does this leave the prepubescents and young kiddies? What makes these little sweeties horny? Their primary sex drive is mostly based on sexual curiosity. The children brains are simply hardwired for strong sexual curiosity, and this curiosity motivates them to peek at and explore their own genitals, and the genitals of others. And then, a chain reaction happens: their sexual curiosity motivates them to touch themselves, which feels good and sexually arousing, which again motivates them to masturbate, which finally gives them great pleasures and orgasms. And, as soon as they learn how to achieve orgasms, they will attempt to achieve it a lot, especially little girls. Prepubescent girls seem to be more sexually active and aggressive than prepubescent boys, on average, but does of course vary some from child to child. Their curiosity based sexual needs doesn't only make them turn to their own genitals for exploration and touching, but also the genitals of others. And since adult genitalia is an especially restricted area for these little sweeties, that area is the precise area they aim to explore, sooner or later. Thus, most children girls and boys have a high motivation to explore and touch adult genitalia, which will really stimulate their sexual needs, while also arousing them. It's not an uncommon phenomena that young girls get wet by touching and playing with adult male genitals for the first time. A child's sexual curiosity goes like a bell curve through its childhood; it slowly increases to an insane level that peaks around 4-8 years of age, and from there decreases slowly and down to a normal level towards adulthood, when Testosterone based sexual needs take over for their earlier curiosity based sexual needs. This means that most elementary school first-graders have insane sexual needs, in the name of curiosity, thus being the easiest ones for pedophiles to seduce sexually. >>4002 I am a genuine pedophile myself, and are exclusively attracted to young children; which led me onto a path in life of education and work within general psychology, to learn about myself and my unique orientation; which again and further led me to child psychology and sexology, to learn about how children function on an emotional and sexual level. My education and work did finally solve that initially unsolvable puzzle that laid there in front of me, made all those tiny pieces finally fit together, which gave me a totally different perspective on myself, my role in this world, and pedophilia as a sexual orientation. It also changed my perspective on children, by learning many important and surprising things about them, some of which where quite chocking. If you want me to elaborate on some parts of my post, please quote it precisely, because otherwise I don't know what you want from me. But be aware that my next answer may take some time, because I'm going out early with my little girl tomorrow and spend most of the day with her.

>>4001 the last time this happened kalyx had them derezzed, rejected donations from them, and had a clear official statement out in one hour.

>>3987 >Yes I used a CHANKILL command which temporarily derezzed people (for 5 seconds) in those 3 channels in order to enumerate channel user presence, the intention was not to ban them but to kick them, and chankick or chanpart isn't a thing. Like we care about this insignificant detail? >From that point forward new channels will need to be approved in a manner similar to requesting an account for the Stream, e.g. private message a member of staff and answer a short survey that takes between 5 and 30 minutes, normally it is closer to 8 minutes though. Like we don't have enough bureaucracy already? Which reminds me, where are all of the other admins and mods? They have been conspicuously silent during this whole affair. They probably don't want to touch this situation with a ten foot pole. And for good reason. Who wants to associate themselves with a board owner that needs to take a 3 day 'audit' to review a pedo room? It seems like the staff that left for lainchan.jp got out at the right time. If they hadn't already left, they sure of hell would have done so now. Which takes me to my final point. To all of those defending and rationalizing and justifying each and every action Appleman1234 ever takes no matter how insane or ridiculous... ...let's just say for the sake of argument that there never was lainchan.org. There was just lainchan1 and lainchan2. If lainchan1 were run by Appleman1234 and lainchan2 were run by all of the other staff here and on jp, who would honestly go to Appleman1234's site? No one. So why should we have to put up with him destroying lainchan.org. I don't understand how he is able to buy all of your support. You can simultaneously want the best for lainchan.org yet admit that soykaf is going downhill and fast. Just because you criticize Appleman1234 or the direction the site is going doesn't mean you're a boogeyman out to get him and promote XYZ website. I'm so fuarrrking sick of the witchhunt. When will we be allowed to criticize the administration here without having every single criticism dismissed because another website on the internet exists? Do you know how invalidating it feels to constantly be told you're "from" another site just because you want soykaf to improve here? You must not be a 'lain' unless you blindly accept and retroactively 'want' everything Appleman1234 ever does. Stop justifying his behavior. It's only making soykaf worse. You can't get him to get his soykaf together if you keep telling him he is doing an outstanding job. Because he isn't.

>>4005 >>4004 THESE. People forget how much less bullsoykaf bureaucracy there was when kalyx was here. When a mod wrongfully deleted a GET, he re-uploaded a screenshot and issued a public apology. When Appleman wrongfully deletes, locks, or warns things, or otherwise makes a mistake, he's unable to admit fault and instead doubles down on justifying it. inb4 "go back to .jp." I want what's best for this site and community same as you do, which is why I'm bringing this up at all.

>>4004 >>4005 >>4006 then i know the perfect chan for you. go enjoy your dead ass containment chan. we dont want you here.

>>3994 Alright, in the spirit of good discussion that lainchan seeks to foster, I am going to respond to this post as seriously and dispassionately as I can. >all children are sexually active from birth >When I say sexually active, I mean that they are all capable of feeling and enjoying sex just as any adult person is. This is simply a falsehood. Children cannot engage in regular penetrative sex. Newborn infants cannot penetrate a woman, and a female or male baby, toddler, or preteen being penetrated by an adult male is going to cause serious tearing and physical trauma. >they can reach climaxes during sexual stimuli I would be interested to see if you can provide any actual scientific source for this. If you believe babies can achieve climax through stimulation of the genitals, then, by all means, provide some actual proof. >they feel a natural urge to explore it This is correct, and it is safely and naturally explored between children of their own age. Playing doctor, I'll show you mine if you show me yours, things like that. This is perfectly natural, and is in a whole other world from engaging in full blown sex with an adult. >It has been suggested by underground researchers What you are referring to here, is child sex rings. Let us be very clear. There is no scientific research of any method being produced by these alleged researchers. If you have an "underground research" paper that, while practicing experiments considered unethical, follows a sound research methodology and produces reproducible results, then by all means, post it. You talk a lot about this being a hard pill to swallow, and people going closeminded and persecutory. So come on anon, prove me wrong and respond to my post. I'll be waiting.

>>4007 >go enjoy your dead ass containment chan. It's actually been picking up. And it will continue to if Appleman doesn't... ...who am I kidding, like this will ever get through to him.

>>4008 https://pastebin.com/rtwHRvbW this was just posted on irc really old but is maybe a collection of relevant citations not that the irrational immoral witch hunters will ever care about facts or evidence

The fact that the "drama" hasn't let up since /q/ was removed from /mega/ would seem to suggest that much of the criticism was actually organic. If anything this bullsoykaf is validating their decision. We should really try to promote from within and find others that can kind of balance Appleman out as he seems totally unable to do it alone. It wasn't like this when Kalyx was admin. Sure he would fuarrrk up, but there were others to mostly hold him in check. Despite Appleman insisting that he runs everything by the community, at the end of the day he really is set in his ways and just reads the community opinion however he sees fit. Asking for feedback before doing what it is you planned to do is still unilateral action. He needs to distribute power or else this soykaf will never end. If there were other admins on the IRC, the channels would have been removed immediately. But instead everything has to go through the cognitive bottleneck that is Appleman's fuarrrked up mind.

>>3945 >is it hard to believe that the people who made jp had the most invested in lainchan and are the most effected by leaving? I can tell you for certain that's not the case. Kalyx sold his investment, certainly. The staff that stayed with Lainchan easily have more invested than them. Now, even though Junk carelessly violated staff rules concerning revealing staff dealings, personally affecting me, even, I won't go into detail on their investment or lack thereof in Lainchan. As I refuse to release logs, as they have, you'll simply need to take my word for it. >>4005 >Like we don't have enough bureaucracy already? Which reminds me, where are all of the other admins and mods? They have been conspicuously silent during this whole affair. They probably don't want to touch this situation with a ten foot pole. And for good reason. Who wants to associate themselves with a board owner that needs to take a 3 day 'audit' to review a pedo room? I was giving Appleman1234 my opinion in the staff communications over this. I believe he's handling it well. Now, again unlike those others, I'm not going to deanonymize users, as that's unacceptable behavior, but I do ask that you keep in mind that kalyx et al. have been shown to be posting on this board with their nonsense. >...let's just say for the sake of argument that there never was lainchan.org. There was just lainchan1 and lainchan2. If lainchan1 were run by Appleman1234 and lainchan2 were run by all of the other staff here and on jp, who would honestly go to Appleman1234's site? Your hypothetical is useless and your motives obvious. Arguing with it in detail would require revealing staff dealings and so I won't. >No one. So why should we have to put up with him destroying lainchan.org. Kalyx literally destroyed Lainchan after selling it and is now staff on the .jp site. Why anyone would follow that fool is beyond me. I never liked him, for various reasons. Appleman1234 is more responsible and reasonable than he ever was. I can tell you that Appleman1234 has made my moderating much more convenient than it previously was with some of his improvements to vichan. >I'm so fuarrrking sick of the witchhunt. When will we be allowed to criticize the administration here without having every single criticism dismissed because another website on the internet exists? Valid criticism is actually being mulled over. Insulting everyone here and whatnot is being ignored. Don't act as if much of what is being written is constructive criticism. >>4006 >People forget how much less bullsoykaf bureaucracy there was when kalyx was here. When a mod wrongfully deleted a GET, he re-uploaded a screenshot and issued a public apology. Kalyx routinely disrupted normal operation of the site to beg for money. He sold things to users and then didn't ship them. On several occasions, he made boards that caused the rest of the site to suffer. Doesn't anyone remember the /purge/ board; that was a mess and I find it fair to inform you that I argued with him a great deal over it. >When Appleman wrongfully deletes, locks, or warns things, or otherwise makes a mistake, he's unable to admit fault and instead doubles down on justifying it. Do you have a single instance with which to justify this statement? >inb4 "go back to .jp." I want what's best for this site and community same as you do, which is why I'm bringing this up at all. I certainly want the best for Lainchan, which is why I respond now among all of the other things I do for this site.

>>4005 >Like we don't have enough bureaucracy already? What do you people want? You want pedo channels permanently gone, but the only truly permanent solution---a channel whitelist---is "too much bureaucracy"? There is no winning with some people.

>>4013 Honestly he should stop fuarrrking with the god damn IRC and start focusing on the board more. Not all of us use fuarrrking IRC. Give some people ops and relax a little what the fuarrrk.

holy god what did i just walk into

>>4015 You should just walk away if you want to continue enjoying lainchan.

>>4012 >valid criticism is being mulled over No, valid criticism is being WARNED as "personal attacks" and promptly ignored by Appleman. >Kalyx routinely disrupted normal operation of the site to beg for money. He sold things to users and then didn't ship them. On several occasions, he made boards that caused the rest of the site to suffer. And yet people still somehow prefer his way of doing things over Appleman's. Really says something about how Appleman conducts things. >Do you have a single instance with which to justify this statement? >>3503 and also half the threads on /q/

>>4003 >going out early with my little girl tomorrow Should we be like, reporting this to CPS or something?

Good morning from miles and miles above the arctic circle. Todays weather: overcast skies and soggy rain with mild winds. >>4001 >How you expect to talk to someone in so patronising a tone and get anywhere I don't know. I don't think he's the only one who's socially incompetent. I get it, you don't see these things and all of it is just going over your head. You should just do what I tell you and stop talking because this is obviously something that you're fundamentally incapable of grasping. The problem is that this is the exact same tone that Appleman uses to speak to one whenever one brings up a problem and tries to suggest a perspective that isn't a mirror of his own. It does not matter how polite one is. >>4003 >I am a genuine pedophile myself, and are exclusively attracted to young children; which led me onto a path in life of education and work within general psychology, to learn about myself and my unique orientation; which again and further led me to child psychology and sexology, to learn about how children function on an emotional and sexual level. >But be aware that my next answer may take some time, because I'm going out early with my little girl tomorrow and spend most of the day with her. I'm rather grateful that you're out in the open here so that people see and realize what they're dealing with to be honest - and why none of us can ever morally tolerate associating with or giving space to people such as you. >>4004 >the last time this happened kalyx had them derezzed, rejected donations from them, and had a clear official statement out in one hour. This was a normal response based on intuitively ferreting out the fact that, yes, this might be a somewhat libertine social space but the vast majority of people in it still detest pedophiles and most of the rest would if they where not naive about how pedophiles worked. This is an instant conclusion and needs no process. If you where alienated from the userbase, the most you would have to drop a few social sinkers but you could have that done in a day. And Appleman isn't (or shouldn't be) alienated from the userbase in that way.

(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule ∞) You are not allowed to criticize Appleman ever)

>>4001 having a rule against tricking users into executing malicious code makes sense, and seems a fair thing to do. part of the issue with applemans style is that, it seems, a few weeks ago, he would have hesitated to kick someone who was doing just that. a good op, seeing a user being tricked into executing dangerous commands, would step in, and consider kicking or otherwise removing the malicious user if it seemed prudent. appleman, on the other hand, would listen to both sides, give them some lectures about community, meditate for several days, and eventually publish a rule that allows an op to do what any reasonable person should be compelled to do anyway, just by virtue of being a decent human being. does his method have merit? yes, but this community is something that is happening at every moment. in some situations, a calculated, careful approach is needed, but sometimes new questions arise and need to be responded to far faster than is appleman's custom.

>>4022 Yes mods should definitely be doing so

>>4032 I'd fuarrrking hope so

appleman you are putting a giant red target on this website by allowing pedo soykaf. you wana bet what one email to ramnode about the pedo irc channel does?

>>4034 You mean the channel which is now gone? Did you even read the thread? >>4021 >And yet people still somehow prefer his way of doing things over Appleman's. Really says something about how Appleman conducts things Some people. I for one like not having the chaos of kalyx around.

TLDR please

>>4036 Some pedos came and made a channel on IRC. Appleman deleted it and added some rules for channel creation so it doesn't happen again. Also drama.

what the fuarrrk is happening to lainchan. just stop. if after appleman bought the site, he just threw the ssh key away and didnt touch anything we'd be better off. just let go. give the mods more power. they would have solved this problem 250 replies ago.

>>4043

The global blacklist for IRC channels has been enabled. Please ask for an IRC channel to be white listed in #questions if so desired. kek has been derezzed for the Rule 8, Rule 9 (site numbering scheme, IRC rules 3,4), Rule 19 (irc numbering scheme) breaches retroactively.

>>4045 And what if someone proposes to re-create the channels listed in OP?

>>4045 How do you find always 3 appropriate descriptive reaction images for your replies? Do you have a huge folder or do you search for these images each time? Serious question, i'm genuinely curious. I have trouble finding one image in my reaction folder, 3 for each reply would take half an hour.

>>4047 They won't be white listed as per Rule 19. It's current wording reads. >232 - 19. Some topics are not appropriate for this network. >232 - If your topic is considered not appropriate for this network, you will be warned and asked to change topic or to take the discussion elsewhere (either into another channel where your discussion is appropriate, or off this network entirely). >232 - Then you will be warned again and asked to stop talking about the topic, >232 - After which a third and final warning will be issued, and additional action will be taken particularly if your response to being warned is ignorance or a Rule 18 breach. >232 - Such topics include but are not limited to: paedophilia, the advocation of rape (not rape-play or roleplay), >232 - the advocation of suicide or homicide, or other -cides (discussion is permitted, but advocation or blind instruction to do so is not), the advocation of dehumanizing people, the advocation of loss of human liberty or torture. >232 - When having general discussions about sensitive topics, it is best to qualify when one is joking.

>>4050 I don't always go to the effort of sourcing supporting images, but when I do so I like to provide all 3 if possible. (and my third image of http://www.supergrove.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/how-to-find-memes-5-yo-we-gon39-find-you.jpg didn't post) I have a small folder of images, the knowledge of how to make new images using both image creation software and services, and the ability to use multiple search engines and catalogs of images. I generally prefer to use image post via URL option which I helped extend to support multiple images at https://github.com/lainchan/lainchan/commit/ef41b1622d4e3d6324ecf16eaf27b6d028f83585 .

>>4045 If you ban kek for Rule 9, you should ban whiteline (For posting the #girltime log) and whomever posted the #lainchan log.

>>4060 >If you ban kek for Rule 9, you should ban whiteline (For posting the #girltime log) and whomever posted the #lainchan log. Rule 9 has nothing to do with those actions. They are supplementary discussion material.

>>4075 I was referring to the irc channel rule 9, but I misunderstood and thought appleman had derezzed him for that, when it was referring to the site's rule 9. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But either way the log posters broke rule 9 (irc), and I wonder if there has been consequences for them. * - 9. If you are considering publishing channel logs, think it through. * - The Lainchan IRC network is an interactive, real-time environment where discussions may be heavily influenced by external context. * - Even on public channels, most users do not weigh their comments with the idea that they will be enshrined in perpetuity to stand on their own. * - For that reason, few participants publish logs and we encourage those communities that do to make their participants aware of this fact.

>>4053 >kill yourself glitterboy >the quintessential imageboard default response for anything >is now a bannable offense

>>4079 >now This isn't 4chan nor 8chan. That's been against the rules for years.

>>4079 if you're the kind of guy that uses "kill yourself" as a "default reponse for anything", you're unwelcome anyway.

>>4078 These rules were put in place after the log-sharing happened. There's a reason people aren't normally retroactively derezzed, and i have a feeling kek's b& came just as much from the fact that he was universally dislike as his breaking of rules that weren't in place when he broke them. For the record I'm all for kek's ban, he's a morally bankrupt degenerate. Just arguing semantics.

>>4060 Posting the logs was basically a premeditated act of aggression and an overstep of the normal boundaries of decent behavior per definition. Being technically "legal" doesn't whitewash this behavior of mine nor does being technically "illegal" condemn it. Whether my actions where correct or incorrect depends solely on if you consider this overstep justified based on the circumstances and the targets of it. I, of course, consider it fully justified and had planned to do so for quite some time - but someone else made this thread first.

Now that this has been resolved it is probably a good idea to delete this thread. You do not want this soykaf in search engines.

>>4161 Absolutely not. We don't need to make ourselves look worse by trying to sweep this under the rug. We need to own up to it. This thread needs to remain here the same way any other /q/ thread that has criticized Appleman and caused a soykafstorm does.

>>4163 This is different.

>>4164 How so?

>>4161 >>4164 The only thing a site like this should care about re. Google is being marked as hosting malware. The rest has no consequence for us - people find the site via other networks or word of mouth.

>>4167 Also I'm pretty sure Google does not care about something as meaningless as repetition of the word "pedophilia" a lot of times in text.

This thread should be locked.

>>4178 This thread should NOT be locked.

>>4188 Why not? What else is there to discuss? Has the issue not been resolved?

Did the mods ever report that one guy who talked about meeting a little girl to CPS?

>>4191 of course not. pedophiles and their sympathizers are most welcome here.

>[19:28]<S1ohy> Now, since lainchan.org is Appleman1234's property, he can do as he wishes (in theory). So appleman owns this place, considers it his property, regardless of what the community wants? nice to know.... Also from that guy: >[19:34]<S1ohy> I want to ban all liberals, marxists, anarchists, and communists. Priorities. lol.. paedo confirmed. shank on sight.

>>4194 I would also like to give free helicopter rides to dirty reds, so does that mean I'm a nonce as well?

>>4194 Liberals, marxists, anarchists, and communists pose a greater threat to freedom and individuality than a couple of pedos.

>>4194 Yea I disagree, just ban all of the following instead tbh 1) Americans 2) Females 3) Drug users 4) Non-virgins 5) Non-Free software apologists

>>4194 As a twenty year old single male I think it's very hard to find a girl who's actually interested in free software. I've had girls jokingly ask to "Netflix and chill" but when I tell her that I don't use Netflix since Netflix requires proprietary software to stream content, they stop talking to me. And worse if they do stay they think I'm weird since I blocked google IP's in my host file and we can't even watch youtube. I can't ever seem to get girls to come over to my place and I can't text them either. Once I get their numbers since I've added customs roms to my phone and refuse to use sms since it's a security concern I require all of my friends to download a free and open source messaging app and I share with them my public gpg key so that we can verify that our conversations are secure. None of my friends are willing to do this. And I can't use sites like tinder since it's not only proprietary software but a major privacy vulnerability. How come it is so hard to find a girl concerned about software freedom. I feel like I'm going to be a virgin forever.

>>4197 >anarchists >threat to freedom

>>4194 >So appleman owns this place, considers it his property, regardless of what the community wants? nice to know.... Yes. But I found a great rebuttal to it here >>4173 >Yes, Appleman owns the site and in theory can do whatever he damn well pleases. However, doing so would alienate a good majority of its userbase and turn a lot of newcomers off to using the site. Appleman's counterproductive tendencies need to be kept in check by the community, because he doesn't know any better otherwise. If he doesn't listen to us he'll just end up slowly driving everyone away, which has obviously already begun to happen.

>>4199 nice copypasta but Netflix and chill is kind of dated now. >>4194 >[19:34]<S1ohy> I want to ban all liberals, marxists, anarchists, and communists. Confirmed. These are the sworn enemies of pedos. >>4197 No. >>4202 So what are we really doing here? Babysitting some incapable autist because he "doesn't know any better"? This place is just fuarrrked.

>>4204 >So what are we really doing here? Posting? Enjoying ourselves? What bigger purpose did we ever have? >Babysitting some incapable autist because he "doesn't know any better"? If you don't like him that much just hide /q/. Nobody is asking you to get involved helping him run the place. If you want to that's great but it's not a requirement.

>>4191 Obviously not. Appleman only went as far as deleting the channels because the community pushed him so hard. He doesn't actually give a soykaf about pedophiles otherwise.

>>4204 >So what are we really doing here? Babysitting some incapable autist because he "doesn't know any better"? Honestly, yes. The only reason Appleman owns the site is because he was able to produce $5,000 to buy it. That five grand doesn't mean he's qualified, but he's the owner now so we have to deal with him. >>4205 >If you don't like him that much just hide /q/. Nobody is asking you to get involved helping him run the place. Except his autistry extends far beyond the scope of /q/. It affects things on the whole site.

>>4208 >we have to deal with him. Insofar as you have to be on the same site as him, yeah. This isn't a stage show. You don't have to be friends with him or even interact with him the vast majority of the time. >Except his autistry extends far beyond the scope of /q/. It affects things on the whole site. Such as? The worst he's done is warned some posts. There's long term considerations when it comes to things like encouraging people to help run the place but those are solvable problems and they aren't immediately pressing. Like everything else, it'll probably be a case of going slow and steady and doing things thoroughly.

>>4191 It is not the responsibility of lainchan staff to be the Internet police and aside from >Be smart when posting about potentially illegal activities. Featured in the pro tips on the Rules Page and unless otherwise required by law or hosting terms of service, we don't offer recommendation on or report unverified text that people type over the Internet to any authorities, because of several reasons 1. People typing text into a computer is not verified information. It could be true, It could be false, it be a soykafpost or a joke, it could be one person slandering another or some other sort of misinformation campaign. 2. The world is not your country, different countries have different legal systems, law enforcement systems and reporting structures, and even if we can accurately determine the poster's IP address (inb4 tor, behind 17 proxies, neighbor's WiFi, public libraries,etc), then that IP address doesn't necessarily tie to a specific individual at a specific location or jurisdiction. 3. See the joke warrant canary at the bottom of the page, which was left in place for historic cultural reasons. E.g. Normally we wait for requests before providing information. As for the actual canary (warrant or actual real bird) is elsewhere E.g. If actual information requests were made, then the real canary would not be renewed, and if the body guards couldn't protect its physical avatar from the agents of KAOS , then there would be announcements as part of the standard lainchan.org emergency response procedure E.g. there would be funeral or pet funeral notice for the name of physical avatar 石田香凜, in both the New York Times, The Times, and the Yori-Shimbun etc , in additional to twitter messages, message on Freenode #lainchan, and other such internet messages and yes my revealing this, implies that these messages may involve additional obfuscation / DDT/ stenography , etc . >>4193 This is not true and is a misinterpretation on your part. This misinterpretation also seems to be common on lainchan.jp for some reason, the response to which I will provide in a later thread. From the Rules https://lainchan.org/rules.html >Do not spam or advertise unrelated content. >Do not post child pornography or questionable 2D/3DCG/3DPG sexual depictions of children. This includes "child models". >If you must post it, spoiler any NSFW content and make sure it's relevant to the discussion. From the IRC network rules see >>4053. >>4194 S1ohy doesn't speak for me or on my behalf. Yes I pay for the at least one of the servers that provides lainons with services / platform and the domain,keep the website up, but my stewardship of this site and community isn't regardless of what the community wants. I consider the Lainchan community to be community driven, e.g. We are all being the change we want to see on the communication platforms and the world around us, we are all posting on Lainchan the sorts of conversations and discussions we want to have , etc. >>4202 I have no intention of alienating a good majority of its userbase and turn a lot of newcomers off to using the site, and I do know better despite the claims of >>4173. However I don't know everything, so any advice , help or support is welcome, that is one of the reasons /q/ exists , see >>>/q/2911 for more information on ways to help. >>4206 This is also not true, and seems to be associated with the viewpoint expressed in the posts made by whiteline and the fact that the official response was not in a time frame that suited the people complaining in this thread.

>>4211 For the benefit of >>4193 and the meme on lainchan.jp about this, This thread is now about children featured in Questionable Content, including Samantha Bean , http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Samantha_Bean

>>4211 >and I do know better despite the claims of >>4173. But then why did you, as we discussed yesterday, do something so "obviously wrong" as try to use warnings for rule violations to improve discourse quality, assuming that people would interpret it as a "soft signal to improve" rather than a thwack on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper? If you knew better then you would not do such things in the first place.

>>4212 What in the actual fuarrrk is wrong with you, Appleman?

Holy hell you're on the wired lains! This drekk blows my mind. "Oh how I wish the internet was more like the wild west" except I don't wanna see anything bad "I believe in free speech" as long as it's something I agree with "Muh eternal september" You must take the good with the bad. If you can't, you deserve to be a slave to the State. You deserve to have your content controlled and censored. Good job blowing this small issue way out of proportion. This is a side effect of free speech. Jim and Hotwheels knew all about it. Every single person that has run a website believing in free speech has had this problem. I can guarantee, banning/censoring pedophiles won't get rid of them (out of sight, out of mind). This is equivalent to thinking that banning all drugs will stop people from taking them.

>>4222 >You must... And you need to learn to take the world as it is, authoritarian assholes and all. If you don't, you "deserve" to be ineffectual. True freedom means constant struggle and strife. It does not mean "here are my principles that guarantee perfect Freedom(tm) forever, now apply them so we can have that pls." Furthermore, no-one has infringed upon anyone's freedom of speech. No thugs have been sent out in the night to silence anyone. Free speech is by nature a construct of governance of a nation or a similar construct. The smallest/weakest construct you could apply it to would probably be something like a mafia organization. It is a bond and a claim that such an organization will not use it's violence monopoly in a certain way. It can never ever apply to private communities. That's essentially a "wouldn't it be nice if we all got along?" argument that is furthermore meaningless since said communities _at most_ only claim a monopoly of control over the shared resources of voluntarily participating members.

>>4222 So there is absolutely no content that should be removed from lainchan whatsoever?

>>4222 Freedom of speech is to not be oppressed by the government for your views, since this is a private site it doesnt apply here. And there was never any unrestricted speech to begin with since this site has the totalitarian methods called rules

>>4222 So by your logic we should also allow brewing soykaf and spam right? nobody thinks banning/censoring pedophiles will get rid of them, it's about whether this site stands for it or if its the place to discuss such things. Much in the same way random soykafposts and personal attacks aren't something this site stands for or wants here. Lainchan isn't "no rules" there is plenty of sites for you to go to if you want that. It's also not a hivemind, in general it stands for keeping governments and corporations out of our personal information, which has nothing to do with letting pedophiles discuss their love of children. You really think lainchan stands against any social site owner that decides to moderate what topics can be discussed on their forum/board/whatever? Because you seem to think people here have something against an individual or community disallowing certain topics be discussed.

>>4235 This was a well thought out post and I just wanted to say that even if the thread gets locked by our Moderators before anyone else replies that I read it and appreciate your polite discourse

Appleman1234.

>>3743 Because all pedos have ToR and plenty of proxies. >inb4 "ban tor exit nodes" or something equally retarded