Why is political bullshit being allowed on /r/?

Seriously, are you people fuarrrking retarded? We've already seen what happens to the quality on this site twice with the past 2 versions of /civ/. No matter how much some users may want it, political discussion can't live up to the quality of discussion that is expected on this site and every time you fuarrrktards allow it the quality on this site drops even further. Perfect example: >>>/r/2519, 22 out of the 68 posts in the thread have mod edits warning the posters for their behavior, and that's not including posts that may have actually been removed. This bugs the soykaf out of me, as I think I've been here a bit over 2 years now and you idiots keep making the same mistake over and over again expecting it to some how turn out differently. Seriously, with how the site is now I may as well go back to /g/ on 4chan, as at least with the post rate there I can find the occasional decent thread in that soykaf heap.

Yah that thread with all the political "memes" is a sh!t hole. Idk what the mods are thinking.

Agree with this 100%. Politics have no place on this board, as lains have proven several times already that the quality of discussion cannot be kept high when politics get involved.

If you try to ban the /p‌ol/luters they will just evade it and start flooding everything with their hot opinions. It happens every time.

I'm with OP on this one. I came here because 4chan's /g/ went to soykaf around the 2016 election. I'd hate to see the same happen to this place.

>>3377 We don't have any political threads anymore lul, since this post was created all of them died. All current political threads are fairly civil.

>>3380 For now.

>>3376

I cited a politician who said something questionable and posted the youtube video where he actually said it, then got derezzed for airing opinions without elaborating on them. Political discussion here is a joke.

The "lainchan community" got a bloated egos and started praising "the good community" whenever a minute, trivial and spastic analysis and 30 page diatribe happened over inconsiquential thing happened. Just like you hate this era, I hated that one. The ego of those fuarrrkers was so bloated they needed a good pop. I was the first that started creating these soykafty troll threads, in hopes that they would go around and see the errors of their ways. Of course, that didn't happen and they continued down the path of feeding into emotional inconsiquential diatribes and trivial squabbles. Sometimes I long for the days of free and open mutual exchange of information this chan once was. Now it is nothing but insider trade and bickering. Partially thanks to me, partially because of hubris of the common lainon. But I don't think I did anything wrong, I was only a catalyst. Everything has to have a death, better a grand death than a whimpering and prolonged one I say. I just sure hope for the rebirth, but only from ashes of phoenix can that occur if you know what I mean ;)

>>3399 Just an add on, I did it to expose to them that their "good community" is just a insider trade sharade they do to hipster up and PR this place up. It had no intrinsic value. The "goodness" of community was self evident in that little honest and pure technology discussion it had.

>>3391 You don't seem that derezzed now. I'm guessing there was an argument going on around this and you got caught in the crossfire and got a timeout ban along with the rest of the participants.

>>3399 Why? I don't get it. You soykaf on it to prove that it could be soykaf on? I don't understand what you hoped to show anyone with this. Also, the idea that we've somehow gone from an open place to a closed insider trading place is just backwards. Things were a lot smaller back in the old days and so there was a lot more of that soykaf. You were less likely to see it if you weren't looking closely, because it was closed insider trading but people are way more aware of the things going on now.

>>3403 No, I soykaf on it to show that your community isn't as clean, honorable and gentelman-like. That the "oh look, we are lainchan, we arent like those /geee/ or /ciber/ lurkers" was just a c1rclejerk scheme to make you all feel good about yourselves and get you a bloated egos. Once you had bloated egos you started to contruct reality to your own liking, even if it were soykaf one. That's also the time around the "we were here first" anarch1sts started coming and claiming this place "theirs". Mind you, I have no ill will towards this place, I am just accelerating the inevitable downfall. Don't look at me and see the "evil nonfat-soykaf drinker troll from /p0l/". Like a CO2 laser, see me as amplification mirror. Or better yet, a feedback amplifier trying to correct the errors. However I think the whole thing will unravel into itself seeing how YyaajjPEEE is doing their thing while I am doing mine. That alongside poor staffing and how mods can be easily irritated by me. Seriously, you are living under the leftover shack of a glass house and you question "why and how did this came to be, oh no". Are you serious? Are you so blind?

>>3399 No, i don't know what you mean. Speak like an adult, nobody is in your head besides yourself.

>>3404 >No, I soykaf on it to show that your community isn't as clean, honorable and gentelman-like. That the "oh look, we are lainchan, we arent like those /geee/ or /ciber/ lurkers" was just a c1rclejerk scheme to make you all feel good about yourselves and get you a bloated egos. Nobody thinks like that besides yourself. That is your problem to solve, nobody else's. You're the one seeing yourself as an ideal higher than just another dude posting stuff he enjoys, that is the definition of an inflated ego. You think of yourself as something more to this community than just another person. People enjoy stuff, they post that stuff they enjoy on lainchan, you for some reason think that's "high and mighty". Well, fuarrrk you. That's like soykafting on someone because of the way they look, "look at that blonde girl, i bet she's been with a billion guys!!". You inferred that, it's your problem, not the blonde girl's problem.

>>3404 >I soykaf on it to show that your community isn't as clean, honorable and gentelman-like How? Your actions speak for yourself not anyone else. I mean ok, you're part of the community too, but it's like saying "I'm going to prove that cops are corrupt by becoming a cop and taking bribes." >Don't look at me and see the "evil nonfat-soykaf drinker troll from /p0l/" I didn't. Didn't even know you were from /p0l/. Like I said, I don't understand you. >see me as amplification mirror. Or better yet, a feedback amplifier trying to correct the errors. No. You're a human and you're responsible for your actions. Thing is, you haven't really done that much wrong. Your intentions of popping bloated egos is fine and it's not like brewing soykaf is a crime anyway. I don't even know what posts you made btw. You just haven't gone about it in the best way, you have to actually show them that it's them that's the problem. Causing problems yourself doesn't help anything but your own ego. You just made problems and now there are problems and nobody learned anything.

As i stated in >>3342 the real problem is the alt-right troll, and he is probably only one. What about trying to ban him? Apart from his threads there is very few political discussion (and quite non-cancerous one).

>>3435 And the people from .jp who admittedly try to stir soykaf up. Who admittedly use TOR to browse .org. This is the type of situation where the community has to deal with it, i think. Banning only gives them the spotlight they need to keep on screaming louder. We've been doing a pretty good job of ostracizing bad threads (outside of /q/, /q/ is a soykafshow of .jp)

>>3399 You're a troll bby. It's clear from the way you write that you have insecurity issues as well (as trolls do). Don't try to frame brewing soykaf as a 'test'. You're soykafting up our chan and that is not nice in the least. Please refrain.

>>3404 You don't know this community. There is something good here. Only because you see others as you are yourself do you want to fuarrrk it up. Try to be more self aware. It might hurt at first, but ultimately it's what's best for you and for others. Also, you may find what you search for here.

>>3436 how long are you gonna keep blaming jp for everything

>This bugs the soykaf out of me Seriously? You care so much about inconsiquential internet soykaf? Pathetic baby man

>>4608 >our chan >us vs them herd mentality Lol kay you primitive beast

>>3405 Suck dick much?

>>3404 You are not a force of nature. You are responsible for your actions too. You are also not any better than us. So stop acting in such a PATRONIZING manner to this community. First pop your own bloated ego before you pop anything else.

>>4616 >"us" >he thinks he speaks for lainchan b-b-b-b-BLOATEEEEEEEDDDDD

>>3372 (OP) The problem is globalism. Political discussion tends to be logical and clear and evidence-based and centered in peer-reviewed research and documented evidence until globalist trolls start infiltrating lain from 4chan and reddit and stormfront and voat and whatever other sites they come from and receive their paychecks from. Usually the going-rate tends to be around 75 cents or a dollar per post for these people, with extra commission for how many (you)'s they can bait out of us with their brewing soykaf. They quickly accumulate a decent paycheck this way simply because many of their paragraphs and responses and framing and go-to "r e d pill infographs" are simply copy-pasted and/or rearranged from their home-sites and home-forums. So they just open a lot (>10) of tabs on their computer and copy-paste fling their bait on any and every forum they can find, seeing where it sticks, just to stack up the (you)'s on their IP to show to their bosses. These globalists are actually quite easy to detect. Here are some examples of globalist brewing soykaf: "race and IQ", "western civilization", "it's not pedophilia it's EPHEBophilia", "overpopulation and third worlders", "scary Muslims", "Joos", , "white genocide", "14 words", "SJW's", "feminism", "free speech", "Gamergate/video games", "MAGA Trump", "commies", "muh white Aryan women but also muh weeb anime fantasy idealization of Japanese women but also race-mixing is bad but also Japanese are honorary whites but also they're still non-Aryan and inferior so they're not allowed in my white ethnostates", among many other examples of fuarrrking ridiculous and brain-numbing garbage. If you're really concerned about the quality of political discussion, I recommend auto-banning globalists and those who push globalist agendas and globalist narratives.

>>4621 globalism==satanism

>>4624 > t. globalist kuck Any more enlightening arguments you wish to share ITT? Preferably at least one sentence? Rather than (word A) = (word B)?

>>4621 >ban everything I don't like You might be happier over on .jp. Or Reddit. P.S.: Alt-righters are retarded. P.P.S.: It's ephebophilia, not pedophilia. Not only are teenagers fully capable of sexual consent, they're smarter than you are.

>>4767 >ban everything I don't like No. More like ban specific things which actively derails and destroys the quality of discussion on lain by pushing illogical, vapid eugenics bullsoykaf which is thoroughly refuted by peer-reviewed research and documented evidence. But no matter how often it's refuted, certain anons spam it over and over again, derail threads and push their fraudulent narrative as much as they can until they achieve their goal to transform lain into a flaming trash dump. Ban that which is soykafting up lain in a deliberate, malicious way. Ban that mess so instead of having to deal with the same bs over and over again on lain we can stick to important matters and stimulate and elevate each other in this site which has been enlightening and respectful in a very mature way. Don't let lain become another hellhole. That's the last thing I would want to happen to this comfy, mature and relatively obscure little niche of the Wired. Lain is a sacred space. Lain is a comfy space. Lain deserves better. Lain is Love. Lain is Life.

>>4784 >No. More like ban specific things which actively derails and destroys the quality of discussion on lain by pushing illogical, vapid eugenics bullsoykaf which is thoroughly refuted by peer-reviewed research and documented evidence. As bullsoykaf as eugenics is, peer review is a joke and most of the "evidence" the modern American academic community presents is questionable at best. In a society where you face stiff social and even criminal sanction merely for having certain opinions (whether the criminal sanction imposed on you is explicitly admitted to be because of those opinions or not), peer review can't be relied on and academia becomes a propaganda outlet. The ONLY time peer review is ever even partially reliable is in an environment of free speech.

>>4621 So in a nutshell, anyone who is against social justice/left wing politics is a "globalist" who must be derezzed.

>>4805 Globalists invented and push eugenics starting with Galton in 1869, then onto Rockefeller in 1901 and other US, British, Western elites continuing with Western (Rockefeller, Bush, Ford, IBM, DuPont, Wall Street) puppet Hitler and Nazis' Aktion T4 and death squads into today with the global eugenics program against Asia, Africa, Latin America, a perfect example is the Zionists' genocidal blockade and bombings of Gaza, the genocidal eugenics Zionists and genocidal eugenics Nazis were always in cahoots, and still are today, although both serve the same master: the USA. There's a reason why our illustrious, blessed Imam Khomeini called the USA as "the Great Satan" and Israel as "the Little Satan". Those who push eugenics are globalists. All the examples I gave are common phrases and dog-whistles these agents of arrogance use to push their genocidal eugenics agenda without stating it explicitly. That's how they operate, they'll never state explicitly their goals of eugenics and genocide until they catch you with the dog-whistles first and pull you deep into their brainwashing. Similar to Scientology or satanic pedo/serial killer cults. >anyone who is against social justice/left wing politics is a "globalist" who must be derezzed Social justice can be boiled down to a simple, moral, logical position of absolute clarity. As our Imam Khomeini taught us: "Stand against the oppressors and support the oppressed." "Be aware that today’s world is the world of oppressed people and that, sooner or later, theirs is the victory! The oppressed are the ones who shall inherit the earth and shall govern by God’s decree." To be against social justice is to be against the oppressed peoples and to support the satanic oppressors of the Global Arrogance. Pic Related Anyone who pushes propaganda that non-"Aryan" people and disabled people etc etc are inferior and therefore should be forcibly sterilized or deported or mass-murdered to create a "white/Aryan ethnostate" is a globalist and an agent of arrogance, no matter if they try to hide this fact through dog-whistle diversionary dis-info discussions about "scary Muslim terrorists" ("Islamic" terrorists such as Daesh/"ISIS" or Al-Nusra or Al-CIAda are not of Islam but of the West, created and trained and armed and supplied by the USA, UK, Zionists and their puppets such as Saudis in order to attack the Axis of the Resistance. The USA Pentagon and Wall Street and Rockefeller elite also were the perpetrators and puppeteers behind the 9/11 false flag) or "Muslim refugees" (people escaping the West's own genocidal wars and colonialism, see Libya, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan etc) or "race and IQ" (IQ is an arbitrary, useless garbage-tier pseudo-science concept that's been thoroughly debunked and doesn't measure anything beyond filling correct bubbles on a paper) or "free speech" (to incite and organize genocide against "non-Aryan inferior" people) or "it's about ethics in video game journalism, not sending online rape and death threats to women" etc etc. Notice also that these agents always have the protection of the police when they organize events IRL and get off with slaps on the wrist if they are even punished at all when they assault or rape or murder people IRL. Since the police and the military work for the money-men, it's a simple and logical connection to make that these eugenics agenda-pushers and agents also work for the money-men. And since the money-men are globalists, the eugenics-pushers and "alt-Right" and "ethno-nationalist" and similar type racist/sectarian/supremacist agents who work for these money-men are also globalists. And yes, they must be derezzed. They're infiltrating every corner of the Wired that they can get their blood-thirsty hands on. This is not the place to tolerate their satanic anti-people and profit-driven greedy, arrogant agenda. >>4788 >face stiff social and even criminal sanction merely for having certain opinions >an environment of free speech Racist/sectarian and pro-oppressor speech and action is protected in the West. Speech and action to unite the oppressed against the Global Arrogance and support their struggle is grounds for firing or silencing or stiff social and criminal sanction. https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/free-speech-at-a-price-by-michael-parenti-1996/ https://gowans.wordpress.com/2007/02/27/whose-rights/ https://gowans.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/police-states-theirs-and-ours/ Can't let inconvenient facts get in the way of your narrative though. After all, it's only free speech when it's racist, right? : ^ )

>>4621 >>4818 > globalists >"overpopulation and third worlders", "scary Muslims", "Joos", , "white genocide", >Those who push eugenics are globalists. Globalism means, "Advocating policy and economics that operate worldwide, not just in one country.." You might be thinking of nationalism (especially, "White Nationalism")? Or maybe Jingoism? (Also, you keep talking about Satanism as if it had anything to do with any of this. What do you have against Satanism that you're trying to associate it with skinheads? )

This site was never meant to be another /po/ soykafhole. we are throwing away our comfy for nothing.

>>4820 > another /po/ soykafhole. What's wrong with Papercraft & Origami?

>>4819 His moral compass is disturbed by the preachings of Abraham's tribe. Obviously Satanism is against Jews, bu also Christians and Muslisms. Some people have a hard time understanding the difference of that and racism/nazism.

>>5235 >politics AND religious debates I'd sage but the thread is devoted to shaming these board killing topics. I'm sure I'll have people making fun of me for bringing up horseshoe theory, but the alt right/white advocates/jq-ers seem to be exactly the same as sjws were insofar as they can't help themselves when it comes to their pet issue, even if it means they'll bring down a semi-hidden gem like lainchan. I would much prefer if such people were replaced with freetards, at least their ideology is more relevant to this particular site.

I'm not for banning people for their mere opinions but I am for banning people when they're an obvious soykafstain class poster. These guys do seem like they're reading off cards and soykaf so just ban them. I'm sure someone is paying them but I doubt they're getting paid a dollar a post. If say weev came here and posted his 1488 soykaf I wouldn't want him derezzed since he has interesting things to say even if I don't agree with a large number of them. It's not censorship to ban people who aren't legitimately here for discussion. If it's ok to ban markov chain generators and spambots it's only a small leap to ban those dudes. Tell them they can come into IRC and ask to get underezzed. When someone gets mistaken for a paid troll they can just show up and get underezzed, I doubt a paid troll would waste their time.

It may be a mistake to revive this thread considering how it ended, but I think the general idea is still relevant on account of >>10877. It just seems obvious that threads like that cannot be allowed to thrive here. I thought it was a known fact that politics (on the level of popular talking points) ruin everything. Further, the example of a particular political discussion board on a particular popular imageboard has already demonstrated that when low-quality political discussion is allowed to accumulate on one part of a site, it spills over into other parts. This site is small enough that a large thread may as well be a "containment" board, and if allowing such threads is to be policy, well, I don't see how degradation can be avoided. Further, it signals to those who browse this site for the first time that this is an environment where this kind of thing can thrive in the first place, suggesting a different picture from the detached-from-the-world cyberpunk haven look that we're presumably trying to project. Please, do something about this before it kills the place. We're already seeing unrestrained political discussion appearing in multiple threads. If it sounds like I'm panicking, it's because I am. The taint of popular politics destroying a home for Lain fans is a nightmare I hope to never see. Don't tell me the dream is dead, as >>13091 suggests.

http://lainchan.org/hum/res/13609 I'm getting the feeling that the mods are asleep at the wheel, but maybe I just don't understand the philosophies they are employing. I'd love to hear more about your playbook, mods. And remember, all I can do is complain. It's not like you have to do anything differently just because you've explained yourselves and I don't like it.