fuck lainchan.org thread

since >>2410 is censored let's trash lainchan.org instead. inb4 sage. inb4 deleted. inb4 go to jp. inb4 censorship is cool. seriously though. wtf guys we're supposed to be better than them.

[ λ / diy / sec / tech ] [ inter / lit / music / vis / hum / drg / zzz ] [ layer / q / r ] [ cult / psy ] >16 when is that getting fixed?

they don't care. absolutely nothing in >>844 was taken into consideration when making the boards. whoever happens to have appleman1234's ear at the time is what we get. so sick of "we listen to the community" bullsoykaf. by giving "everyone" what they want at the end of the day *none* of us get what we want. no one asked for this clusterfuck of a board list. a brief survey of /q/ at the time makes it pretty obvious. but don't listen to me, a pony for everyone!

>>2902 and by 844 i dont mean the post i mean the entire thread.

>>2900 What are you talking about regarding >>2410 being censored ? As far as I know it wasn't censored, can you please elaborate on what you mean ?

>>2904 It looks like all lainchan.jp related threads have been censored as >>2900 said. There are recent posts in them but they haven't been bumped so that means they've been saged. It makes us look desperate even when we shouldn't be. We have 10x the activity of their website and that isn't going to change anytime soon. There is nothing they can do about it. Censoring discussion of them just makes us needlessly look bad. I don't think it was a wise decision whoever did it.

>>2905 So >>2900 is referring to the bump lock and the bump lock alone ? As far as I know there hasn't be any censorship of the threads mentioned. The only actions taken regarding locking and bumplocking lainchan.jp related threads on /q/ was to consolidate them, e.g. not have 50 different posts complaining about lainchan.jp on lainchan.org.

>>2907 That is simply not true and you know it. It wasn't done for consolidation. If it were, there would be at least one thread that isn't saged. It was done for censorship. You can't talk your way out of this. At least own it. You'd be respected more.

>>2907 >complaining about lainchan.jp on lainchan.org Also the fact that lainchan.jp even exists is a pretty big complaint about lainchan.org. It could have been avoided and never should have happened imo.

>>2908 At this point you don't even care about any answer, do you sweetie? The existence of this soykaf ass, low quality, whiny bitch baiting thread is a counter argument to your arguments.

>>2909 >the fact that lainchan.jp even exists is a pretty big complaint about lainchan.org No. That's just the outcome of a bunch of deranged people's whims.

>>3084 You mean the founder, founding mods, most of the other mods, and most influential content creators.

>>3125 What content creators?

>>3126 Don't take the bait, Lain. Let the necromancer die in his empty website.

>>3127 It doesn't look empty to me.

>>3135 Then why don't you go to your thriving, full community, Lain? I wish you good luck!

>>3141 Because they invented browser tabs.

>>3141 You can browse and enjoy both bitchass.

This is hardly an example of browsing and enjoying lainchan. Browsing both isn't a problem, coming here to sh_ill is.

>>3158 They already saged the lainchan.jp thread.

>>3171 If we had 10 threads about kitties, 9 of them would probably be autosaged or deleted. Because this is a board about lainchan questions, criticism and suggestions, not .jp (or kitties). You're acting like a mean kid, who keeps on causing trouble until someone tells you to shut the fuarrrk up, then you start crying and complaining "what did i do?" For fuarrrk sake, it's tiresome as fuarrrk.

fuarrrkin mods amirite?

>>3196 and this >also if you're so afraid of jp that you feel the need to censor them, you're doing it wrong. if a hyperlink on this board means the difference between one enjoying this site and immediately packing up and leaving, i'd say we have a pretty big problem on our hands. >on the other hand if this isn't true, wtf are you afraid of mods?

>>3197 i just realized zero locked threads on jp. hmm. https://lainchan.jp/q/catalog.html

>>3198 We have a higher rate of posts, and we have rules against repeated posts. >>3197 You're talking about censorship when the title of this thread is "fuarrrk lainchan.org". No threads were deleted, just locked because one thread about each subject is enough.

>>3199 then why was the "fuarrrk lainchan.jp" thread locked before this one was even made, hmm? you cant talk your way out of this. it is censorship plain as day. and that is worth discussing whether you think so or not.

>>3199 let it go lainon, this guy is obviously not up for reasonable discussion. he just wants to soykafsmear us and try and steal users for his clone.

>>3200 Think whatever you like, i'm tired of this.

You know that .jp has low post count when their staff has time to start new threads about .jp over and over again.

>>3209 they're at 50% of .org and climbing. wanting to do something about this is not a bad idea.

>>3210 They can climb to 10000000% of 4chan. It does not concern us. It is not the same community anymore. It is not our issue, we should care about ourselves.

some people hate .org some people hate .jp .org keeps all the traffic, but gets even more soykaf brewery than before the big flush. .jp gets little traffic, but retains its quality. there is literally nothing new about this, it's how it's always been with big sites and niches of those sites. the only difference is that .jp is the same medium, and not an irc room or similar complementing .org

stop bumping soykaf threads boyos. >>2900 if you really think "we're supposed to be better than them" then ignore them >>2901 this is the real problem. go make a thread for that and sage low-tier posts like this one.

>>3225 Let's be honest, the only difference in quality has been people spamming threads about .jp. We've had all sorts of lies and attempts to put pressure on the mod team and people generally keeping this whole pan of soykaf brewing. Here's the real question, what were they hoping to achieve here? Who looks at something like this and thinks "the best thing for me to do is go and brew soykaf. That'll help." People aren't blind or stupid and kalyx promptly joining IRC to complain about his friends /q/ post makes me wonder how much they even bothered to hide it. You don't make people like you by fuarrrking things up so much they want to leave. What was so wrong with this community that warrants that? We didn't dislike the admin enough? This guy >>3214 has it right. The communities have split now. That's not to say there's not a connection between them but they're not the same. There are people distinctly on one side or another. You can't have the sort of hostility we've seen without that happening, but a lot of people just don't care. Any interest they had has faded. I've heard about your site about 30 thousand times. That's great I'm happy for you. Would you please stop trying to fuarrrk with our day? 'Cos it's really not helping anyone. Do you honestly expect people to believe that after weeks there's still a steady stream of people just jumping to ask the same tired questions and, of course, always someone there to give them an answer like yours? Or that so many people were repeatedly unable to find this thread in the catalog? Now, that's not to say that you specifically (i.e. the poster I'm replying to) are dishonest. You can't really judge a single post like that but, overall, something very fishy has been going on here. Still, we should worry about us. ShiIl hunts every time someone makes a complaint aren't the way forwards. All the "fuarrrk off back to jp" stuff doesn't really help anyone either. Just let them be. If you think they're being honest treat them as such but if not just ignore them. If the thread spam keeps up we might want to do something to stop them clogging up /mega/ but other than that there's not really a way to force them to stop and trying just adds fuel to the fire. It's a little annoying, especially for the mods who actually have to clean it up outside /q/, but you can't really stop people if they insist on being obnoxious on the internet.

>Do you honestly expect people to believe that after weeks there's still a steady stream of people just jumping to ask the same tired questions and, of course, always someone there to give them an answer like yours? This is so true. Our userbase is really small, how can the "new" people coming here just want to talk about the same old soykaf? Just let it go. If the other site is so much better, good for you. Stop clogging our board up with your bs. kthxbai

now that the censorship thread >>3240 has been censored lets talk about censorship here instead

>>3238 and tfw there is more discussion of .jp on .org than on .jp

>>3242 Unless you have an argument to provide, i see no reason for you not to be warned or derezzed. The issue was discussed, time, time, time and time again. If you have anything new to add, add it. Talk about a specific issue that has not been answered, this isn't the place for cicrlejerking.

>>3242 The OP of this thread talks about censorship. So this is the censorship thread, which is older than the one which was locked. I don't see the problem here.

>>3244 ban me bitchass.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST (Rule 4,5))

>>3246 Banning a Tor exit node would be pointless.

>>3247 the fact you looked it up in the first place is pretty fuarrrked up mate

>>3248 https://exonerator.torproject.org/ If i were you i'd check for l33t hack3rs on your computer, timmy. Who knows what lainchan moderators might have done to your publicly available ip information? Maybe they stole your credit card. Maybe they're brainwashing yo momma right at this moment. Are you gonna let them, timmy?

>>3248 >The fact that you checked if you are not banning innocent users is fuarrrked up Maybe by jp standards, where they derezzed some different user that was against their rhetoric for ban evasion.

>>3259 It's not the only time threads have gone missing from their /q/ either. It's hypocritical as fuarrrk that kalyx came to whine about censorship because his spam got deleted. I couldn't care what they do themselves but trying to stir up soykaf here is childish.

>>3259 https://lainchan.jp/bans.php Yep. They are total nazis.

tfw yet another /q/ thread is saged. >"we aren't scared of lainchan.jp" well y'all sure are acting like it.

>>3295 Do you have any arguments to provide or any discussion to begin?

can someone give me a quick rundown? i just found out about lainchan and the first thing i see is that it's split up, what do

>>3298 c'mon brother, just read the other threads on the catalog

>>3299 Yes, but that's only one side of the story. For their perspective see these as well: https://lainchan.jp/q/res/3.html#3 https://lainchan.jp/q/res/552.html#630 https://lainchan.jp/q/res/11.html#647 https://lainchan.jp/q/res/566.html#566 https://lainchan.jp/q/res/37.html#258 The truth—as always—lies somewhere in between.

>>3300 At least we can now link to your post to share the story as told by lainchan.jp, but can you please compile a similar list for lainchan.org? It would prevent this being brought up a million times. "Go read all of /q/" isn't exactly helpful for those just stopping by after the fork. Thank you.

>>3298 There's lainchan with a fuarrrkup owner (kalyx). fuarrrkup owner sells lainchan to appleman, as he's always been a fuarrrkup, he regrets this decision and trashes the website. Some mods were unhappy with how appleman handled things. After kalyx trashes the website, these mods also trash the website, and then make their own lainchan. Users generally don't give a soykaf about any of it and just browse wherever they prefer. It's not something that affects the userbase in any way besides the oprah-like drama.

>>3303 your ideas on kalyx really depend on how long you've been on lainchan.

>>3304 Well, i don't want to get on old user extravaganza, but i agree that it's a subjective opinion. It's safe to say, however, that he's always been an unstable person.

>>3305 >It's safe to say, however, that he's always been an unstable person. Doesn't invalidate his contribution to the community. If anything it should make us empathize more and demonize less. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for him.

>>3307 As i said, that's a subjective opinion, and this thread isn't about our personal opinions of him.

>>3307 >If anything it should make us empathize more and demonize less. He sold the site and grabbed the money while trying to destroy it after that. Really inspiring. >We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for him. Well, if he didn't sell it and tried to destroy it afterwards, we really wouldn't have this conversation.

>>3315 Does anyone here know WHY he sold the site? He spent 6 months trying to prepare everyone, he was leaving for the Air Force as a last resort. He had many public meetings stating that he was unable to sustain managing lainchan while being fuarrrked up IRL. He was homeless and quite a few of us were sending him money to live/eat. He sold everything he had. He has been bery public about being Bi-polar.

>>3316 have you tried asking him?

>>3316 >lainchan.org started by kalyx with bipolar disorder >lainchan.org sold to appleman1234 with autism spectrum disorder >lainchan.jp started by seph with borderline personality disorder what's next. seph's suicide? or she sells it?

>>3319 Oy glitterboy, everybody is fuarrrked, if you're going to criticize, criticize their stupid ass decisions, not the fact that they have mental disorders, that's just low.

>>3319 wow... that's a new low even for /q/

>>3320 >>3321 how is it low when it is true?

>>3322 Low is not antithesis of "true". Low is just low. If you call an old, fat lady as "Hey you old, fat lady", you won't be lying, you will, however, be an insufferable piece of soykaf. Nobody gives a soykaf about kalyx or seph's personal problems, that's for them to deal with. All we can judge is their actions and how it affects us. If you cross those boundaries then you're no better than someone from 4chan calling everyone a user. It's not about being true or false, it's about being irrelevant and personal.

>>3323 kalyx's personal problems are pretty relevant considering that's why he sold. Everyone here talks like he's just an evil guy but the reasons here matter.

>>3324 That isn't the point of what i said. This discussion is going nowhere, criticize whoever you like whichever way you like, people will judge you as they see fit.

>>3323 I'll never understand people like you. But that's probably why I am a loner.

>>3325 why are you in this thread?

>>3327 This thread is about .jp .org, not personal offenses over petty personal characteristics. Or your lack of understanding of simple arguments.

>>3328 And I keep saying that which you'd like to dismiss is very relevant.

>>3323 It is their actions they're being judged on. Let's not pretend everyone hates kalyx for being mentally ill. He's hated because he deleted the server etc. >>3328 This whole thing has been nothing but personal. Their entire angle has been "fuarrrk Appleman. We don't like him and so you shouldn't too." There's not anything else here to discuss.

>>3331 I'm replying directly to this post: >>3319 "Look at that fuarrrking ill person, what is she gonna do, kill herself? ha-ha-ha" is not exactly going to take this conversation anywhere. It's not an argument, it's just 4chan-tier insulting. If you think that is relevant for this conversation (that is, if there was any conversation about anything in this thread any longer), do carry on.

>>3331 They were all in mumble last night talking to each other just fine. Nobody hates Appleman, they all don't like what he is doing with the website.

>>3333 >Nobody hates Appleman, they all don't like what he is doing with the website. If they don't like it here, then why don't they go start their own website? No one is stopping them.

>>3334 lainchan.jp ? hello

>>3334 Jesus that picture is repulsive.

>>3335 Oh. soykaf.

>>3334 >If they don't like it here, then why don't they go start their own website? No one is stopping them. Where have you been?

>>3363 can we send them a cease and desist already?? im srs

Why is there all this animosity? I only really started paying attention to lainchan on the whole after all this soykaf went down so I might not have the complete story here. I get that there was a bit of a soykafstorm with the administration which resulted in the split, but I don't get why the users are so invested in fighting "the other side", taking them down, getting all the affiliates etc. From the user's perspective there's just 2 sites with a similar focus and community. If you severely dislike the moderation in one you just stick to the other. I don't get where the whole "war" thing is coming from, other than lainons trying to be edgy.

>>3378 Most people here just wanna chill. There's a lot of people trying to stir soykaf up, not sure why. A generally good advice is to hide /q/ threads. There's always people trying to stir soykaf up here.

>>3378 >I don't get where the whole "war" thing is coming from, other than lainons trying to be edgy. Original owner sold the site and used the money. Then regretted his decision and instead of trying to buy it back, he wiped the server. His friends created the other site while others were trying to restore the original site. When the restoration was kind of done, his friends redirected headers here to point to their site, while denying they did it. You wouldn't get angry? I sure did. They were and are actively trying to destroy things I liked, for their own gain.

>>3381 I hadn't heard about first selling the site and *then* doing the wipe. I thought it was the other way around (and the sale was effectively just a domain name). It still sounds weird to me, like something was lost in communication. How was Kalyx able to wipe if he had already sold the site? And why bother pissing off people that presumably more-or-less liked him before that?

>>3382 Kalyx still had the password after selling the site, he tried it, it worked, he decided to delete it. For more information read the previous threads about this issue on the catalog.

>>3382 >>3383 >I don't know where this meme comes from. Kalyx did not hack the website. This was not some elaborate plan. This is what actually happened: >Appleman1234 never changed the email address or password on the control panel for the VPS on which lainchan.org is hosted. He should have done so immediately after purchasing the site. When he needed to log in to the control pane (after seven months of not having done so once), but couldn't, he requested a password reset, which was sent to Kalyx as it was his email that was still listed on the account. If Appleman1234 had changed the email and password as he should have, the server would have never been reset. If Appleman1234 had taken backups as he should have, the website would have been restored immediately. I guess no one knows this because Appleman1234 is embarrassed to admit his gross incompetence. >Disappointed with the decline of the website following the sale to Appleman1234, which he now considers a mistake, Kalyx used the password reset email as an opportunity to log in and reset the server. It was a protest of what lainchan.org had become since the sale of the website. Nothing more. Nothing less. Perhaps he wouldn't have done so had he known that Appleman1234 was so incompetent as to not have backups. So despite what you say, Kalyx is not exclusively responsible for the loss of content on lainchan.org. By comparison if our server were reset, the website would be back to normal in less than an hour. Barely anyone would even notice. >To suggest that the reset of the server was related to the creation of this website is to suggest that we knew ahead of time that Appleman1234 didn't change the password or email on the hosting account, that he didn't take backups, and that he would send out a password reset request to Kalyx's email account. Even if this were somehow magically possible, why would we only begin working on this website weeks after the reset had already taken place? After some of our staff made a genuine effort to help lainchan.org recover after the reset? >In a way we take it as a complement that people are convinced that the two events must somehow be related. I guess they can't believe how so little could change in the seven months following Appleman1234's purchase of the site, how little progress there was after the reset of the server, and yet we could somehow create and launch this entire website in about a day. If anything that is a testament to the amount of bureaucracy at lainchan.org. >tl;dr: If we knew ahead of time that Kalyx could reset the server and wanted to nefariously use this to our advantage, we would have made this website before, not weeks after the reset. If Appleman1234 had changed the password and email, all of us would still be on lainchan.org. Think about it. This is not some elaborate conspiracy. This website is a legitimate response to legitimate problems with lainchan.org. If all that is true, it's pretty damning.

>>3381 >Original owner sold the site and used the money. Then regretted his decision and instead of trying to buy it back, he wiped the server. >>3383 >Kalyx still had the password after selling the site, he tried it, it worked, he decided to delete it. No. He didn't just randomly decide to "try it." He got the password reset email that Appleman sent him. It's his own fault.

>>3364 yes. we can. and should. their site is growing. ours is shrinking. if we take their site down their users will come back here.

>>3384 >If all that is true, it's pretty damning. Yeah but it's not. They've missed out some pertinent facts to push their agenda here as well as just clearly lied. I'll address whoever you've quoted for the rest of the post. >He should have done so immediately after purchasing the site. Kalyx told Appleman that the control panel for the VPS was inaccessible. That is that he had forgotten the password and no longer had access to the email account used to reset it. Obviously this was a lie. He let it go as he didn't really need access to the accountand it's not a security problem because even if he does still have access it's only kalyx. His mistake wasn't not changing a password, it was trusting kalyx. >It was a protest of what lainchan.org had become since the sale of the website You know, for 99% of us, it's been exactly the same right? Minus the drama you've caused of course. And for you lot, it's been that Appleman wasn't your friend like kalyx was. Also fuarrrk you if you think destroying something we like is a good way to "protest." Did making a /q/ post not occur to you? >Barely anyone would even notice. This bit, at least, is true. >To suggest that the reset of the server was related to the creation of this website is to suggest that we knew ahead of time Not at all. You didn't need to know ahead of time to take advantage of it. >why would we only begin working on this website weeks after the reset had already taken place The website was live about a week afterwards. This is just a total lie. >Kalyx is not exclusively responsible kalyx needs to take responsibility for his actions and stop trying to pretend it's the guy he screwed over's fault. >After some of our staff made a genuine effort to help lainchan.org recover after the reset? I didn't see it. I saw a few of them sat in a mumble together with kalyx and nobody telling Appleman what had happened until I got there hours later. >we could somehow create and launch this entire website in about a day. It took you about 3 days. 7 if you include the time you spent talking about it beforehand (sorry I mean "bureaucracy"). This site was back up after the wipe within the day. >If we knew ahead of time that Kalyx could reset the server and wanted to nefariously use this to our advantage, we would have made this website before You started planning your website, on that mumble server, within a few hours of kalyx deleting everything. >This website is a legitimate response to legitimate problems with lainchan.org. I'll ask you the same question I've asked you every time and still gotten no answer for. What problems? The only problems have been you lot deleting our server or trying to shiIl. >>3392 >ours is shrinking No it isn't, post count is normal for this time of year. Saging because your soykaf brewing is old news but I am going to call out your lies. Bad show guys, seriously, bad show.

>>3392 Stop being a child, .jp's community is different from .org, it's not the same kind of people or content. It just has the same theme.

>It was a protest of what lainchan.org had become since the sale of the website What characteristics in here make this less lainchan than it was two years ago?

>>3397 >Kalyx told Appleman that the control panel for the VPS was inaccessible. That is that he had forgotten the password and no longer had access to the email account used to reset it. Obviously this was a lie. He let it go as he didn't really need access to the accountand it's not a security problem because even if he does still have access it's only kalyx. His mistake wasn't not changing a password, it was trusting kalyx. So Appleboy spent $5000 buying lainchan and was just totally cool not having access to the VPS?? You can't be serious right now.

>>3409 ps. this question has been asked in almost every thread where this issue pops up. It has yet to be answered by someone.

>>3413 >ps. this question has been asked in almost every thread where this issue pops up. It has yet to be answered by someone. inb4 they flipped out and started jp for no reason meme

>>3414 Actually considering >>3319 maybe she did.

>>3414 What is the relation here? The question "what is different about lainchan now from 2 years ago" doesn't include lainchan.jp. I'm asking about .org, if you feel that lainchan isn't lainchan anymore, what characteristics were present that now aren't?

>>2900 I don't give a flying fark if you think that lainchan.org is bad or censorship or whatever. Why can't you just leave us to our cesspool and join the cool kids at .jp? What are you trying to prove?

>>3415 LMAO that perfectly captures seph's essence in one 54kb image

>>3411 i find that hard to believe. thats like buying a car w/o getting the keys. appleman hosting the 'backups' on the same vps? dumb, but believable. appleman not even having the password to said vps control panel? nonsense. go push your agenda somewhere else.

>>3420 If i say my feet are wet and you say "no they aren't", you have to provide proof that my feet are, in fact, not wet, yes? Otherwise you're just full of soykaf. Most of these reports come from kalyx and appleman, if you think they are false, provide logic reasons why, otherwise you're full of soykaf.

>>3421 are you suggesting that appleman actually said he bought the site w/o the password? what does it even mean to buy a website if you dont have access to the vps host? it sounds less like he bought the website and more like he just bought an administrator account. also. can i buy one too? jesus.

>>3422 I'm not suggesting anything, i'm using the facts available. You're suggesting and implying out of your head, you're using beliefs, i'm using available information from both parties.

He had the root password. Just not the password for the control panel.

>>3427 Can you really blame them for having a hard time believing that someone would pay $5000 for a website and not get access to the control panel?

If we look at who is at lainchan.jp compared to who left on lainchan.org we clearly can see what happened. Apple was used as a cash cow by kalyx. The old lainchan peeps have formed their own circle inside lainchan, forming their own little schemes and plans. I don't blame kalyx for taking thw opportunity to make money off of stupid people and then trying to get back and make the same site. What I am perplexed by is his possy. The people around him that follow him wherever he goes without sevond thought. I went to lainchan.jp and even though it's slow site there is much less bickering (partially because everyone knows each other there). But, why did the bedrock that is lainchan leave org and went to jp? That should be the main question here

You're all a bunch of whiners. Whining because it's harder to actually make threads and contribute so in order to feel important, bitching is what you do. Parasites is an apt comparison. .jp or this theory of 'fragmented community' or why this happened doesn't matter at all. How about you post outside of /q/ consistently instead of giving a soykaf about kalyx dickriders.

>>3431 It's easier to keep soykafting up this chan until everyone worth mentioning went to jp ;)

>>3432 >It's easier to keep soykafting up this chan until everyone worth mentioning went to jp ;) Goes to show the type of community .jp is building. Good luck with your new website, Lain. I hope you can find more honest methods of attracting followers, maybe by the quality of your threads some day.

>>3430 if the plan was to sell the site and take it back, why would he have just wiped the server? and make a new site? after seven months? he would have just logged into the vps, change the root password, and remove appleman's access. free $5000. but thats not what he did. obviously. you guys are fuarrrking dumb.

>>3444 >you guys are fuarrrking dumb. I may not agree completely with why Kalyx made lainchan.jp, but you're right. You can't say it was to "take his money back." It takes two seconds to realize how retarded that is.

>>3470 >Kalyx made lainchan.jp Kalyx didn't make it. Junk and Seph did.

>>3444 >>3470 It may or may not have been the primary motivator but he definitely benefits from the situation. He admins a chan by the same name as this one, and keeps the money he made by selling this site. Idk how anyone can defend the guy. What redeeming qualities does he have that so many people are quick to justify how actions?

>>3474 >Idk how anyone can defend the guy. What redeeming qualities does he have that so many people are quick to justify how actions? I don't know how anyone can defend Appleman. He literally just came out of nowhere and bought the site. It has always felt sleezy. See the attached image.

>>3476 >See the attached image. A post from .jp with hyperboles from someone butthurt. Very convincing argument, what next, gonna call him a poo-poo face?

>>3483 therefore all of the content of the post in invalid? u smart bro

>>3483 >A post from .jp with hyperboles from someone butthurt. Very convincing argument, Your counter argument is literally composed exclusively of an ad hominem. Learn to argue before spilling the soykaf. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

>>3488 >>3492 Do you know the definition of hyperbole? The image isn't invalid because it's from .jp, the image is invalid because it doesn't raise any points besides "i-i-i don't like him!". Or buzzwords like autistic and spoon feed, which are only hyperboles based on behavior, which is in fact ad hominem aka "he acts in a way which i don't personally like". That isn't an argument, it's subjective preference, which you can't use as an object of critique. The only point raised by the image is "Appleman came from nowhere", to which i reply "who gives a soykaf?". He's been a good administrator, he could be your momma for all i care. The fact that he comes from nowhere could have been raised months ago, not now, when he showed with actions that he cares about this site more than kalyx ever did. If you're gonna shIl, do it right, raise valid points, this isn't 4chan bitch.

>>3503 is locked so ill post it here. the title of this thread is fitting: what i dont get is why EVERYTHING must be about lainchan.jp they made their own fuarrrking website. they are happy there. you think they are patrolling this board 24/7? each and every criticism no matter how mild is coming from the boogeyman? in two years someone criticises appleman are you still going to say "GO BACK TO JP!!!1" get over yourselfs.

>>3526 I agree that appleman isn't handling this as well as expected, given that it it's a subject that can be a problem in his personal life, too. But the idea of a boogeyman isn't so absurd as you think, Kalyx admittedly comes here to shiIl, and at the very least 2 mods have come here to do the same (in this thread, specifically). It's not a practice that can be dismissed as conspiratory theory. They just happened to find somewhere that hurts appleman, and now they press this because they're dickheads. I'm not sure how he should handle it, but the way he is dealing with it isn't optimal for this community either.

>>3531 >But the idea of a boogeyman isn't so absurd as you think, Kalyx admittedly comes here to shiIl, and at the very least 2 mods have come here to do the same (in this thread, specifically). It's not a practice that can be dismissed as conspiratory theory. Are you seriously suggesting that they are responsible for all of the drama here? That it has absolutely nothing to do with anything going on at this site?

>>3552 I'm not suggesting anything, i believe i spoke very clearly, with no suggestion or implication. You're saying that .jp shiIl is a boogeyman idea, i said that that is not true because we have proved a few times that some shiIl threads and posts are created by .jp staff. That does not mean every single issue from our community steems from .jp. You're reducing the available scenarios to ".jp shiIl is an inexistent boogeyman" or ".jp is the root of all evil", neither of which are true, only an idiot deals in absolutes.

>>3553 >You're reducing the available scenarios to ".jp shiIl is an inexistent boogeyman" or ".jp is the root of all evil", neither of which are true, only an idiot deals in absolutes. You did not read my post. That was precisely my point. We are in complete agreement. When will we start evaluating criticism on it's own merit instead of telling people to fuarrrk off back to lainchan.jp? It doesn't exactly look mature or confident. We're making ourselves look like complete assholes for no good reason. tl;dr: chill.

>>3554 Go back to. jp

>>3554 Wait but i never said that people should "go back the fuarrrk off to .jp". I just said that your affirmation of ".jp shiIl is a boogeyman" was wrong. The whole .jp .org thing is inevitable, as the post above my own exemplifies. It's impossible to control people.

>>3556 Do you think lainchan.jp itself was inevitable?

>>3563 as a place? not really, but considering the personality of the mods, yeah i think it was. But that's more about their ego than the necessity of a separate community. The .jp issue is for, about and by moderators, the community isn't attached to it. Imagine that politicians fight for some personal reason, the population won't give a soykaf, but the governors will surely appeal to the population and say that "they are only splitting the party for our people in need of a better government!". It's a cheap, ego-stroking move to validate their own egoistical decisions.

>>3564 >The .jp issue is for, about and by moderators, the community isn't attached to it. Yeah. Because running lainchan is such a position of influence and power! It's a tiny ass image board. If they just want ego-stroking, this isn't the way to go about it. And where is this ego-stroking going on? Their IRC? Their boards? Our IRC? Our boards? I don't see it. What is lainchan.jp? An image board. Where people post. That's it.

>>3567 That's objectively misleading. Does a teacher have influence and power? Of course not, does that stop him/her from abusing the small power he/she has to feel in control? The same concept applies to doorkeepers, guards, police officers and, last but not least, forum moderators, community managers, game masters and even the dungeon master from your d&d group. My point is that .jp wasn't created because the community was outraged and wanted a different imageboard. If it was, our posts per hour would be at the very least a fraction of what they were prior to .jp. Jp was created because the mods wanted more control/power and they weren't getting it (as you can see by the logs in this thread), thus it's objectively a mod issue, not a user issue. Even if kalyx handn't fuarrrked up the website, .jp would probably be created sooner or later.

>>3571 >If it was, our posts per hour would be at the very least a fraction of what they were prior to .jp. Jp was created because the mods wanted more control/power and they weren't getting it Yes. I'm sure when they touch themselves they think of the daily post count.

>>3571 >Jp was created because the mods wanted more control/power and they weren't getting it it isn't that the mods wanted more control, its that appleman was both a. incompetent and b. unwilling to accept help from others. a dangerous combo. >it's objectively a mod issue, not a user issue. the way the site is staffed, managed and moderated affects end-users immensely.

>>3574 Please love, use an argument. The point of what you quoted is that "your affirmation of userbase shrinkage is based on nothing". Refute that if you're going to quote it. Implications and suggestions don't mean anything. >>3576 >it isn't that the mods wanted more control, its that appleman was both a. incompetent and b. unwilling to accept help from others. a dangerous combo. Maybe they thought so, and i was never a mod nor part of the administrative team so i can't say if they were right or wrong to think that way. The point is that this was an internal issue, not a community issue. Every complaint i heard from .jp staff about appleman were either "he wasn't doing what i wanted when i wanted him to" or "he's autistic xDD". Both of which are quite childish. I hated dealing with kalyx because i honestly hate his personality, but i couldn't use that to criticize him because it's just subjective preference, i'm not able to successfully deal with him, others were, thus it's my problem, not a community problem. >the way the site is staffed, managed and moderated affects end-users immensely. Once again, i agree with the statement. but lainchan was and is staffed, managed and moderated in a way that doesn't get in the way of us users. Could it be better? surely, but is it as bad as it was when kalyx was at the height of his personal issues? nowhere near. /civ/ era was much, much worse than what we have now, and we seem to be improving in a good way, so unless you have specific criticism towards the current administration, i can't really see where you're coming from. What basis is there for the community to care so much about an administrative issue, when this administrative issue doesn't have a lot of impact on the community? From my point of view, mods had some internal problems and decided to split, the IB is as good as it ever was, and has the same flaws that it has always had.

>>3579 >>3579 >Every complaint i heard from .jp staff about appleman were either "he wasn't doing what i wanted when i wanted him to" or "he's autistic xDD". Both of which are quite childish. Really? Pull your head out of your ass. Perhaps you don't hear it because you don't want to to be challenged by their criticism, but they explicitly specify their reasons time and time again: https://lainchan.jp/q/res/3.html#3 https://lainchan.jp/q/res/37.html#90 https://lainchan.jp/q/res/552.html#630 That took me all of three minutes to gather. Now the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that all of this reasoning is fabricated and really it was for other, unspoken reasons, which you hint at, but don't detail. I would argue that your oversimplified narrative is childish. As another lainon put it, I too am getting tired of the willfully ignorant "Appleman can do no wrong" meme. He isn't a saint. Unless you can buy sainthood for $5000.

>>3580 >Really? Pull your head out of your ass. Perhaps you don't hear it because you don't want to to be challenged by their criticism, but they explicitly specify their reasons time and time again: Every complaint i heard =/= every complaint there is. I'm not .org staff nor .jp staff, there is no reason for me to go out of my way to research. Pointing your fallacies doesn't make me a defender of .org. Saying that you're full of soykaf doesn't imply that appleman isn't full of soykaf too. As for these links: >Neglect of critical services and backups >lack of priorities and accountability >gross inaction and incompetence Generic criticism isn't exactly an argument, all of these qualities could be attributed to kalyx and seph. That is not to say that appleman is immune to them, but without a specific scenario upon which he can be attributed to these qualities, there is nothing for me to refute, i cannot refute the general concept of 'accountability'. "gross inaction" isn't a complaint, inaction where, what did he not do? Lack of priorities where, what is he priorizing? Accountability when, what did he do? Can't you see how generic and meaningless this is unless you a list a specific situation where that happened? The only valid criticism is towards his password fuarrrk up, which i totally agree, he fuarrrked up. But does that justify .jp behavior (constant shiIl compaign, vandalizing this website time and time again)? Not really. That's laying the blame on the victim, and the worst part is that the victim isn't even appleman, he could go fuarrrk himself for all i care, the victim is the community that you say you care so much about. If the community was unhappy with lainchan, shouldn't the existence of .jp be enough for people to switch over if they were actually unsatisfied? Did you really need to fuarrrk this website? (and i'm not including kalyx fuarrrkup, thats on him alone). You have a problem of dealing with absolutes, as if there was only "lainchan.jp is perfect" or "lainchan.org is perfect", both of which are wrong. Not only that but you have no points to raise, the posts you linked don't say anything besides what i had already said, aka it's an administrative issue that users don't give much of a soykaf about. I know i don't. If you want to raise this sort of issue, mention the specific scenario upon which this characteristic was attributed to him, otherwise this is no better than namecalling, and i cannot refute namecaling. Also don't be fooled by the idea that i'm defending appleman or .org, if you raise valid issues i will agree with you, we have our problems, many of them, but what you're doing is just nitpicking. I'm not saying this community and administration is perfect, i'm saying that i'm fine with it and the reasons you're using to justify .jp and it's actions upon our community are full of soykaf (for the reasons aforementioned). I never said anything to you without argumentation or justification behind it, you on the other hand have been suggesting and implying, what type of conversation do you hope to accomplish exactly?

>>3553 >i said that that is not true because we have proved a few times that some shiIl threads and posts are created by .jp staff. Can you link to this? I have been highly suspicious but not seen it clearly proven. I feel all the posts saying ".jp has zero relevance to us! stop criticizing them!" are them too, since the position is patently absurd. >>3564 >The .jp issue is for, about and by moderators, the community isn't attached to This so much.

>>3611 In the thread about appleman's identity i'm pretty sure is where kalyx revealed himself as kalyx, after posting anonymously. Besides that, in the "fuarrrk lainchan" thread, a group of people were posting, i asked why they werent derezzed, mods answered that it's pointless to ban someone from tor, after that the mysterious person using tor got pissed and vanished. In one of those 2 threads a .jp admin posted pics of his telegram group with admin features enabled, he was trying to make a point against .org, but since he had admin rights, he had to be .jp staff. Hard to find exact posts tho, just go to the 3 big threads regarding this subject and ctrl+f "tor" "kalyx" "staff".

>>3614 I hope someone screenshot that thread where Kalyx admits he shiIIs here anonymously

>>3619 im sure each and every post in /q/ is made by kalyx. he patrols 24/7 on rotating 12 hour shifts with bodydouble kalyxs. sometimes they even double team and post at the same time. you can always be sure that if a post has any negativity it is definitely kalyx. be on watch for the enemy. we must be vigilant.

>>3621 Here's a post he's made, immortalized as an image.

>>3623 for clarification, the post in this image was actually made by kalyx, as admitted by himself in the same thread. He also posted a screenshot of .jp's telegram group, of which only he was online and the screenshot had admin access, so it couldn't have been anyone else. It isn't a conspiracy when they admit fault.

>>3623 kalyx is hot.

>>3626 +1

>>3623 someone post the original?

>>3629 https://lainchan.org/q/res/1866.html#3475

>>3640 no stupid, the original picture.

>>3643 i want it too

So we're moving to lainchan.jp now?

>>4659 Wait. I think I misunderstood.

>>4660 No. I definitely misunderstood.

>>4661 Can someone fill me in? I've been to too many festivals and done way too much LSD since all this bullsoykaf happened. What's the low down on lainchan.jp? Is it for kucks?

>>4662 >What's the low down on lainchan.jp? Maybe you should spend thirty seconds looking into things before making dumbass posts. I'm so tired of the "having to make a choice" meme. Treat it like any other website on the fuarrrking internet. Do you like it? Cool. Go there. Do you hate it? Fine. Don't bitch about it here. >Is it for kucks? As someone who visits both I can tell you the two communities are certainly different. I'm a centrist so I can get along with both camps, but lainchan.jp has a lot less alt-right bullsoykaf. So yeah. I guess it is for "kucks".

>>4662 if you think pedophiles are people you stay on .org if you think they should all be hanged you go to .jp >way too much LSD no such thing

>>4664 pedophiles are people soooooo......

>>4664 how about you choose the site based on the community/content? fuarrrk off

>>4666 you might as well say "go to jp" then. im just here for the drams lol. both sites can die imo.

>>4664 what if the child consent tho?

>>4670 >le ebin consent meme You should probably have your voting rights taken away, since you're not smart enough to give consent to the election of public officials.