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All you degenerate idiots need to face reality, and I'll sum it all up for you in a single post, knowing that most of the entire community is now gathered here on /q/. Look at /q/. Just look at it. Look at the amount of activity it has. Now look at the top of the screen where the nav bar is. You see that? /q/ is literally the only board that is up right now publicly. Now look at how many posts have been made within the first day that the site was wiped by Kalyx; The number doesn't even break a thousand, and that's knowing that every single lainon worldwide has gathered to the only board left out of THIRTEEN previous boards. That number of posts is disgustingly low. The community of lainons is small, and that is a fact you cannot deny. So do you ever wonder why the kalyx and his incestuous pool of moderators with him have agreed to make thirteen different boards, despite the small number of individuals? Moderation Moderation Moderation Moderation Appeasement Appeasement Appeasement Appeasement That's why. And I wonder, why aren't the mods attacking and criticizing kalyx openly on /q/ right now? There are only a select few rational lainons doing it. But all we hear from Appleman and the other moderators are, "Oh, I don't know why he did it. Maybe it was a prank?" Something along the lines of that. But the reality is that it's obvious why kalyx did it: It's because kalyx was and currently is a sick man. Everyone who knows his from the old days of lainchan knows how sick and twisted he is always has been in his personal life. The old friends he had when lainchan first started don't even communicate with him anymore. He's a sick man and he lashed out at us (true lainons) in order to get a kick out of it. So why doesn't Appleman tell us the truth about it? I'll tell you why: It's because Appleman likes what kalyx has created here and doesn't want to make him look too much like a villain. Like kalyx, Appleman wants to keep the insane amount of moderation here and the insane kind of structure that lainchan has, a structure that isn't even supported by the proper size of a userbase. Appleman in this sense is just as controlling as kalyx was. And notice that there is even a sort of sickness to him too, as I quote from his stickied post, >I (Appleman1234) am also looking for people to help to moderate, administer and janitor the site and services, because whilst I can continue to do it alone, it is much less fun that way. read: >WHISLT I CAN CONTINUE TO DO IT ALONE What did he mean by this? Does this man honestly refuse to even acknowledge the moderators that have helped him make the site a better place after the kalyx administration? (A better place, assuming that the mods weren't just kalyx administration hold-overs who were also obsessed with the control and moderation of a small community). Or perhaps he is telling the truth, that he really did moderate this site all by himself and the identities of the previous moderators have been false? What the hell do we lainons make of this? These are concerning issues yet take a look at what 90% of the lainons are doing after their entire site has been wiped out; Instead of asking these questions, most lainons are putting in their own two cents on which thirteen boards should be put up again. Is that seriously what you guys are concerned about? How despicable is this? If you guys don't use this opportunity to take your site back now, then you never will.

>>819 >neurosuggesting every lainon is posting now i guess many - like me - just wait until everything went bet to normal. you can't measure the quality of a chan on it's posting count.

Your arguments don't make a lot of sense, nor can i identify what is it that you're trying to say. People don't have where to post, so most of them won't post. People often come to lainchan to have discussions, not to post le funny memes xD!. If there are no boards, there are no discussions. This community is small and it has always been, having different boards is just so people can post about different subjects without being derailed about "what is /cyb/". Kalyx is a piece of soykaf, the site owner is appleman, if he wants kalyx to moderate the site, kalyx will moderate the site. Him being a piece of soykaf or not. What do you mean "use this opportunity to take back the site"? Do you want people to go on kalyx's house and shoot him in the face? DDOS lainchan? Carry pitchforks and scream in front of appleman's residence? Make up your own mind of what you're even trying to say before you say it, otherwise it's just a waste of time.

>why aren't the mods attacking and criticizing kalyx openly on /q/ right now? What would that achieve? As for Appleman, that guy is a sage. If this were my site I'd have murdered everything in a 12 mile radius. He didn't even raise his voice. Just got to fixing it. >The old friends he had when lainchan first started don't even communicate with him anymore. Not true. >So why doesn't Appleman tell us the truth about it? Point out one place where he lied or hid the truth. Don't worry I'll wait. >What did he mean by this? He means what he says. It's not too much work for one guy (I don't know if I agree with him there), but he'd rather not do it alone. >Does this man honestly refuse to even acknowledge the moderators that have helped him make the site a better place after the kalyx administration? It doesn't say that. Reading comprehension. >Or perhaps he is telling the truth, that he really did moderate this site all by himself and the identities of the previous moderators have been false? Yeah that's totally sensible... >Is that seriously what you guys are concerned about? Nobody is concerned about the secret appleman conspiracy to convince us that there are mods who don't exist because that's really fuarrrking stupid. >>824 This. Most people are just waiting for business as usual. They don't care about the drama.

>>819 Kalyx being sick or not, having wiped the server on purpose, for fun or accidentally, it doesn't matter. Without proper backups, a simple electrical or mechanical failure could and probably would happen eventually and wipe out everything anyway. I'm a simple user and I don't know exactly who was the sysadmin responsible for the server in question (Appleman?), but the responsibility for data loss falls on the sysadmin.

>>824 Not once was the word "quality" mentioned in the OP. The point being made is that the structure of the chan did not fit the size of the userbase (it had 13 boards, specifically). Even if we were to assume that lainchan had a thousand unique individuals as a part of its userbase, thirteen boards is an insane amount of different sections of the chan to spread that amount of people in. And you have to remember, there are more people who either lurk or barely post anything than people who post regularly. It's obvious you're trying to twist the argument being made.

>And I wonder, why aren't the mods attacking and criticizing kalyx openly on /q/ right now? The IRC is a more appropriate place and I also have other tasks to carry out, such as helping to rebuild. >But all we hear from Appleman and the other moderators are, "Oh, I don't know why he did it. Maybe it was a prank?" He did it because he's a lowly idiot with a poor sense of humor. >Like kalyx, Appleman wants to keep the insane amount of moderation here and the insane kind of structure that lainchan has, a structure that isn't even supported by the proper size of a userbase. As do I, somewhat. I've been staff here exactly since the first anniversary and what do you think I'm? I'm a censor. That's strictly what online moderation is, asides from helping the community in other ways. If you don't want moderation, go to a different site. Many users have expressed satisfaction that someone can't waltz into a thread, throw around some garbage, and then ruin a discussion for everyone else. >What did he mean by this? Does this man honestly refuse to even acknowledge the moderators that have helped him make the site a better place after the kalyx administration? Of course not. He merely stated that he could moderate himself, albeit not as well, alone. Don't read so much into things. >If you guys don't use this opportunity to take your site back now, You don't seem to understand. The very structure of the WWW is that there will always be an owner. To think otherwise is stupid. Also, that simply seems out of place to write. I would've written a better response, but your ideas are very disorganized and otherwise poorly communicated. Don't read too much into this response, unless you learn to write a decent line of questioning for me to give a decent line of answering towards.

Calm your tits, or other enraged body parts. We will rebuild. >>819 >That number of posts is disgustingly low. As others have said, you're assuming that the entire community is posting on /q/ currently, rather than waiting for the other boards to come back. Most of your other arguments are based on this assumption, so there's no point in addressing them. >That's why. Actually it's because there has been demand. Whenever a new public board has been created, it's because there have been enough threads on the topic elsewhere to merit a new board. >And I wonder, why aren't the mods attacking and criticizing kalyx openly on /q/ right now? Staff are users too. Just because we're not posting with our capcodes that what kalyx did is totally inexcusable doesn't make it less so. >What did he mean by this? As I am not Appleman (sorry, you'll just have to trust me that this isn't an elaborate ruse), I assume he meant that in the most obvious way. When he reinstalled all the software, he was the only staff. Previous staff members who have asked for their privileges back have received them. >>827 >if he wants kalyx to moderate the site When kalyx deleted /civ/ unprovoked, his staff privileges were removed. Now that he has wiped the server, with privileges retained through an admittedly large oversight, those privileges have been removed. He is not involved, and will not be again. >>829 The lack of proper backups was another big oversight which will be fixed.

>>824 >>827 >>828 >>832 >>833 >Don't worry lainon, the community here is actually quite large, they're just not posting right now.

The problem is that you think you are the only smart person. You seem to think that everyone who does something you wouldn't do yourself is doing it wrong.

>>835 It is funny how defensive they got when lainchan's small size was noted. Part of the reasons I love lainchan is because of how slow it is.

It's not a massive community. Stats on unique IPs and so on have been taken before. At most we're a few hundred people. I don't see the problem there though.

>>829 >Without proper backups, a simple electrical or mechanical failure could and probably would happen eventually and wipe out everything anyway. Wasn't it rented? As in, if hardware failure happened, it would be recovered back to the last mirror. The only thing that would save you from "snowflake failure" would be mirroring to external location, which would cost money.

Kalyx wiped out all the content of Lainchan. Whether it's Appleman's fault for not backing it up properly or not, the end result is that kalyx wiped out all the content on Lainchan. End of story. For the mods and other lainons to have the audacity to tell an angry lainon to calm his tits over this is just plain demeaning, no matter how that lainon words his anger. Is Lainchan full of c|_|cks or something? Kalyx attacked the site and succeeded at the end of the day, plain and simple. >>827 >hurr durr what are you gonna do? Shoot him in the face? At the very least we can get angry at him and somehow get back at him, right? This guy just wiped our website clean. This was an attack on Lainchan, and it should be labeled as such - an attack. That shouldn't be taken so lightly. Are you one of his ex-mods or something?

>>819 >What did he mean by this? What do YOU mean by all that soykaf you wrote? You literally aren't suggesting anything, you just typed a bunch of words and hoped for them to be cohesive but I seriously don't understand what you mean. You think Appleman and Kalyx are the same person? You think Appleman is defending Kalyx? You think the mods are unexistant? You think all of this is in your head and we're all but ghosts of the past failures in your life that hunt you every night and you can't get no sleep? I seriously have no idea what the fuarrrk is going on here.

>>847 >Is Lainchan full of c|_|cks or something? What the fuarrrk does that word even mean anymore? If you want to take any retribution from what happened, go ahead- go and take "your" site back.

>>847 words. words words. they're all we have to go on

>>855 If that pic is from what i think it is, fuarrrk you for reminding me that thing exists. but yeah, you're right.

>>847 >At the very least we can get angry at him and somehow get back at him, right? People are angry. I repeat, what do you want? Anime music to start playing, people to start training with swords and promises of revenge? >Are you one of his ex-mods or something? This is not 4chan, being opposed to your arguments doesn't imply anything else other than being opposed to your arguments or lack of them.

>>857 it probably is... sorry X_X>>857

>>861 Holy crap, it is. My ex-gf got me into watching this thing after she played and loved the game. The main plot was pretty fuarrrking good, but it went to soykaf while the series advanced. I feel like they threw out of the window a really good opportunity to tell a scify story like no other but they just didn't. For me it was "wasted potential the anime"

>>853 As OP I'm going to clarify my arguments for your retarded brain. 1) The previous structure of Lainchan (13 boards) did not support its small userbase properly. That is, there needs to be less boards total. 2) The reason why Appleman and his mods are not openly lashing out at kalyx despite the fact kalyx lashed out at them first is that in reality, they still hold sympathy for his vision of a small community split up into 13 different categories - it's easier to moderate their users that way. (Read: control) 3) Kalyx was a sick man, and that is the only reason why he did what he did in this attack. 4) Appleman even suggesting that he COULD moderate the site himself if he wanted to should be seen as at least curiously demeaning to his moderators, but as seen in the thread so far, his mods will brush off the comment to keep their stations. The subsequent conspiracy theory I stated afterwards was meant to be a joke but people here are taking it seriously in order to discredit my arguments. 5) Instead of making a call for less boards and a tighter community, 90% of lainons want the status quo back and will attack anyone who expresses anger toward kalyx's attack. The following posters are kalyx sympathizers who fall under the definition of a you-know-what. That is, someone who gets hit hard in the face and doesn't want to retaliate. (And the fact that the word is derezzed on this chan really tells you something about the people here, that they're afraid to be called that word on the internet): >>860 >>854 >>855 >>827 One thing we could do is ban kalyx from ever entering our hemisphere in whatever way we could. But of course, kalyx sympathizers wouldn't want that. Taking control back of the community means bringing it back to its original and historical roots, before kalyx even took control of the community; That is, the /cyberpunk/ origintalists on /g/. Back then, we didn't have a site owner splitting up our people into thirteen different categories - we were all comfy in a single thread. I thought we could be comfy on a single website, but that clearly isn't the case. I might be the only one of those /g/men left here anyway, so I'm saying if no one wants that, then screw this.

What's done is done. So much anger over online shenanigans. I hope you find your peace op.

>>868 I'll resume your post in 2 bullets >We old users, uh? >Everyone who doesn't think the same as me is retarded I really think you should kill yourself, seeing that you're so invested on a single small random imageboard on the interwebs, but since that kind of discussion is discouraged here, I'll talk with you. As one banner used to say, if you don't like it you're free to leave whenever you want. This place >isn't< your imageboard. It's an imageboard that provides you with a service that you can choose whether to use or not. So, since you don't like it, and clearly you aren't welcome here either (otherwise there wouldn't be as many "kalyx sympathizers" according to you), why don't you just leave and find something good to do with your life? Have a nice day lain. >>871 That's one enlightened lain.

>>868 >1) The previous structure of Lainchan (13 boards) did not support its small userbase properly. That is, there needs to be less boards total. When was this necessarily disagreed with? >2) The reason why Appleman and his mods are not openly lashing out at kalyx despite the fact kalyx lashed out at them first is that in reality, they still hold sympathy for his vision of a small community split up into 13 different categories - it's easier to moderate their users that way. (Read: control) What would you honestly expect anyone to do? >4) Appleman even suggesting that he COULD moderate the site himself if he wanted to should be seen as at least curiously demeaning to his moderators, but as seen in the thread so far, his mods will brush off the comment to keep their stations. The subsequent conspiracy theory I stated afterwards was meant to be a joke but people here are taking it seriously in order to discredit my arguments. It's technically possible, which is what it seemed to mean. So, you wrote something silly without any cue and are now angry people took you seriously ``in order to discredit my arguments''? >5) Instead of making a call for less boards and a tighter community, 90% of lainons want the status quo back and will attack anyone who expresses anger toward kalyx's attack. You pulled that number from the ether. There's a great deal of discussion you're clearly ignoring. Now, it's appreciated that you laid your ideas out more clearly this time. >One thing we could do is ban kalyx from ever entering our hemisphere in whatever way we could. But of course, kalyx sympathizers wouldn't want that. What? >Taking control back of the community means bringing it back to its original and historical roots, before kalyx even took control of the community; That is, the /cyberpunk/ origintalists on /g/. Oh, of course. Listen, 4chan doesn't define this community. They still have cyberpunk threads there, so feel free to post there instead. >Back then, we didn't have a site owner splitting up our people into thirteen different categories - we were all comfy in a single thread. I thought we could be comfy on a single website, but that clearly isn't the case. I might be the only one of those /g/men left here anyway, so I'm saying if no one wants that, then screw this. I never even used the cyberpunk threads on /g/. Not everyone must agree with you.

I don't see why any of your suggestions would improve current situation. >>835 Lainchan had good amount of boards that helped categorise threads according to their topics. >>868 >they still hold sympathy for his vision of a small community split up into 13 different categories - it's easier to moderate their users that way. (Read: control) No chance that some users can post in several boards, right. Did moderator control create any problems for users? >One thing we could do is ban kalyx from ever entering our hemisphere in whatever way we could. But of course, kalyx sympathizers wouldn't want that. Why do we need to? Just don't let him do something like this again, why should he be refused to post here? >Taking control back of the community means bringing it back to its original and historical roots, before kalyx even took control of the community; That is, the /cyberpunk/ origintalists on /g/. Back then, we didn't have a site owner splitting up our people into thirteen different categories - we were all comfy in a single thread. I thought we could be comfy on a single website, but that clearly isn't the case. I might be the only one of those /g/men left here anyway, so I'm saying if no one wants that, then screw this. afaik /cyberpunk/ threads on /g/ are still alive, nothing stops you from being as close to roots as you want.

>5) Instead of making a call for less boards and a tighter community, 90% of lainons want the status quo back But that makes sense, doesn't it? The fact that they are lainons (and therefore users of lainchan) seems to imply that they liked the way lainchan was.

>>819 What kind of thread is this? My god the kids these days

>>868 Your talk like a child, this is clearly not the place for you. All of your arguments boil down to "i want it THIS way". Then make your own imageboard.

>>868 >The previous structure of Lainchan (13 boards) did not support its small userbase properly. That is, there needs to be less boards total. This is being discussed in almost every other thread. Take your head out of your asshole. >The reason why Appleman and his mods are not openly lashing out at kalyx despite the fact kalyx lashed out at them first is that in reality, they still hold sympathy for his vision of a small community split up into 13 different categories - it's easier to moderate their users that way. (Read: control) Control of what, miserable people and the anime they're watching? Don't be stupid, this is not 4chan and not everything is a wage slave. Lainchan isn't a resource to be controlled, it's a small community of people who enjoy talking with each other, nothing else. >Kalyx was a sick man, and that is the only reason why he did what he did in this attack. You're repeating common sense as if you were the voice of reason. You're just a parrot. >Appleman even suggesting that he COULD moderate the site himself if he wanted to should be seen as at least curiously demeaning to his moderators, but as seen in the thread so far, his mods will brush off the comment to keep their stations. The subsequent conspiracy theory I stated afterwards was meant to be a joke but people here are taking it seriously in order to discredit my arguments. If that is demeaning to his moderators, they should be bothered by it, not you. Your argument remains senseless. >Instead of making a call for less boards and a tighter community, 90% of lainons want the status quo back and will attack anyone who expresses anger toward kalyx's attack. Every single thread up right now mentions the need for less boards. Have you read anything at all? >The following posters are kalyx sympathizers who fall under the definition of a you-know-what. That is, someone who gets hit hard in the face and doesn't want to retaliate. Propose a method of retaliation, stop speaking as if you had the eyes in the land of the blind. This is not an anime and you're not the protagonist. Make sense, nobody said kalyx was remotely right, but him being wrong doesn't make you less insufferable. You can be a whiny little bitch and him, too. >Taking control back of the community means bringing it back to its original and historical roots, before kalyx even took control of the community; The answer to that is you creating your own imageboard. You're blind to your own arguments and completely uninterested in bringing any solution to the table. You have nothing to offer and you have said nothing new.

>>860 >Anime music to start playing, people to start training with swords and promises of revenge? on it boss

>>883 I would like to see a new structure for the site, because what I really WANT are results. Lainzine made it to only 3 issues. The 1998AD project has never produced anything of value. /civ/ was a complete failure. A successful meshnet or secure protocol for online communication was never created or closely harbored to here for more than a few moments. (For example, our Tox room is dead). I've never seen anyone testify that they never knew programming but learned programming because of Lainchan. There are no results. There isn't even really an ideology here. I've heard deeper discussions of SEL elsewhere. All I'm doing is calling for a different structure to hopefully bring better results for the community. I'm not going to make my own chan because it's not my passion. And believe me, I type quick so this doesn't take a lot of time out of my day. Go ahead and hate me, but I thought the community had potential because never before had I seen cyberpunks tie themselves to a goddess identity which greatly romanticized the idea of living on the Wired. I thought it was interesting, so I'm simply disappointed since it's already been years since the website started. I committed the sin of wanting to see more, I guess, if that is a sin. So I'll fuarrrk off now, I'm sick of the word filters anyway. Good riddance.

Can we go back to rebuilding the board now? Someone delete this worthless thread please

Perhaps Appleman isn't speaking out against Kalyx's attack because he's afraid of further retribution? Other threads I've read recently paint Appleman as fairly incompetent tech-wise -- so perhaps he's afraid of a l33t h4xx0r fuarrrking up his servers again?

>>904 Here you're making more sense. But I don't see how less moderation and a single board (is that what you're advocating ?) would make successful projects more likely. And above all, the assumption that lainchan exists to produce results is up to debate.

>>904 >results, yada yada grumble grumble Imageboards are not organizations. It's a place to chill with a certain kind of people, what you're looking for is a programming forum.

>>868 Go back to 4chan if you miss your single thread so much.

>>904 >"i want to punish kalyx" >"i want less boards" >"i want results, whatever that is" >"i want a different structure" Nigga you have no idea what you even want. You can't even organize the thoughts in your head, take a chill pill. Ain't a war.

>>909 Can we please have Kalyx filtered to "a l33t h4xx0r" please ?

>>917 This would have never happened if lainchan had just been hosted on a Gibson.

>>909 Appleman is quite a respectable programmer. He's just not into wanking his own dick i guess, most of his posts don't use the admin name.

>>917 I totally agree with this soykaf. Sign me up.

>>920 dont talk yourself up you didnt even back up the site

>>938 Go look at the github. He actually gets implementation stuff done, regardless of the site's backup strategy.

Hey OP, you look like a sick man. Get some sleep, bro! - a mod not using a tag

What is it with everyones obsession about amount of boards? Make 100 boards they don't take away from anything. It's nice to have site thematically organized, I understand that but who cares how many boards there are. Just browse /mega/ to see where activity is happening and every lainon can get a board of his own, it's all secondary.

in b4 16chan.net

>>917 +1

I literally havent touched the site for the past 3 days because i was waiting for it to be fixed. so the people saying people just arent posting right now are correct. We are a small community, but its likely well over double what it is right now. Your average chan user doesnt really care to partake in board politics, and only posts in threads that interest them.

>>980 forgot to mention i agree with you that we need less boards actually. Just because a board thematically fits the site doesnt mean theres enough people talking to warrant. I think 5 or 6 boards is a good number.

>>819 You sound like you need to try taking it easy some. >too many boards Do you think people are incapable of browsing multiple boards? There's no point in the merging boards, especially when most suggestions involve merging slower boards into faster boards that will completely drown out all the discussion that used to take place on the slower boards (ex, merging /diy/ -> /tech/ or /zzz/ -> /feels/) or making large dumping ground boards that will kill off more complex discussion in favor of speed (ex. /tech/+/sec/+/diy/+/λ/ all in one board). >why aren't the mods attacking and criticizing kalyx openly on /q/ right now? Because they have more better things to do and going on a rant about how kalyx is an idiot doesn't help bring this site back up any faster? Many people have better things to do with their free time than just ranting about how mad they are online. Also, most of the mods just post as a normal anon when not doing things related to their mod duties. >muh degeneracy Go back to wherever you're from, because it's pretty clear you aren't from around here. If you want the cyberpunk threads from /g/ then go back there, they're still a regular occurrence.

>>819 Ultra-mega-new user here (only started coming here a couple months ago) are there plans for the lainons to migrate to another site (or recreate the old boards on 8ch or something)?

>>993 We already have our backup/rival board on 8ch, /cyber/. Although it usually just full of nons bitching about this place, it's handy when Beavis and Butthead manage to fuarrrk their own soykaf up here.

>>868 > The previous structure of Lainchan (13 boards) did not support its small userbase properly. That is, there needs to be less boards total. > Instead of making a call for less boards and a tighter community, 90% of lainons want the status quo back and will attack anyone who expresses anger toward kalyx's attack. You act as if wanting as few boards as possible is a logical conclusion everyone should get behind after thinking about it. This is simply not true, YOU want less boards that move faster, a lot of us do not want that, and the reason for that is not because we think that our community is bigger than it actually is. Some of us just want a quality split between some topics, and some of us have no problem with boards that might move slower but at the same time has actual, proper discussion going on. Also I am quite happy with the moderation here, proper (and sometimes strict) moderation is needed or else small boards like ours are easily overrun and overtaken. We want people to become part of us, not the other way around. There are other metrics to justify the existence of a board by than just the speed at which it moves. About kalyx: Yeah he is an attention grabbing kid and what he did was just stupid, so what? brewing soykaf and butthurting about it will not help, and the last person that should lead a personal vendetta is the admin. I'm actually glad that our mods and admins are not trying to turn this into a soykaf flinging drama show. All they got to do is make sure kalyx no longer has access to anything, and that's it.

>>993 I, and I know of at least a few others, are not migrating, but rather are waiting for applefam and others to fix stuff and recreate the boards. I am confident that it will be done in the next week or two.

>>995 >All they got to do is make sure kalyx no longer has access to anything, and that's it. ...and make fuarrrking backups.

You know, a lot of us might just be waiting for board pertaining to their interests to come back. It's not like /layer/'s back as far as I know.

>>994 >>993 I hear kalyx is making another imageboard on soykaf.org starting tomorrow or the day after.

>>1095 He was just on their mumble discussing it

Calm down, lainon. Not all of us feel the need to flood /q/ with the same soykafty >IT'S HAPPENING LEL XD posts. I think most of the workable ideas have already been stated repeatedly, and there's no sense in reiterating all that. More noise isn't going to help the mods bring things back into order. I would imagine a good number of lainons are STEM professionals that don't have time to fuarrrk around on an imageboard when something like this happens. Most are probably waiting for their board/topics of choice to be revived. That said, I am kinda pissed that Appleboy kept his backups local to the site. >>1095 >>1096 That would be very low of kalyx, though I wouldn't be very surprised. I doubt it would be popular as a lainchan replacement; lainchan drew a community because people like cyberpunk and lain, not kalyx. But he could just be putting up a smaller site for people he knows. There's a lot of smaller chans and boards that aren't meant for a large amount of traffic. But meh. As long as lainchan exists, I'm staying here.

>>842 Most hosts won't back your data up for you. That "last mirror" is only there if you pay them for backups. RAID mirrors aren't backups. >>920 Being a respectable programmer doesn't make you a competent admin.

>>819 I agree with you, OP. You could've said it in a more diplomatic way, but I think it needed saying. It seems people think you're an autistic loser when really you're a fine /g/entooman that time seems to have passed by.

>>868 >1) The previous structure of Lainchan (13 boards) did not support its small userbase properly. That is, there needs to be less boards total. It would be nice to have a couple fewer boards, but that's really personal opinion. Number of boards does not NEED to scale with userbase. >2) The reason why Appleman and his mods are not openly lashing out at kalyx despite the fact kalyx lashed out at them first is that in reality, they still hold sympathy for his vision of a small community split up into 13 different categories - it's easier to moderate their users that way. (Read: control) Conspiratard >3) Kalyx was a sick man, and that is the only reason why he did what he did in this attack. Well at least that one's true >5) Instead of making a call for less boards and a tighter community, 90% of lainons want the status quo back and will attack anyone who expresses anger toward kalyx's attack. You're right, many of us DO want the status quo back. We liked lainchan the way it was and we still like it. You're the one with the complaint.

>>819 What kalyx did was a dick move but nothing is stopping us from recreating lainchan, you are blowing this out of proportion with all this doomsaying.

>>837 /thread as people have said, a lot of us are just waiting for the powers that be to get their soykaf together. If I wanted e-drama I'd go make a Twitter account, not come to lainchan. >>854 also this, I'm fuarrrking tired of this meme. I just want comfy /cyb/ stuff >>868 >you-know-what >g-guise big bad appleman won't let me spam my favorite word. It's hijacked my vocabulary and I can't function without it ;-; (honestly why is it that everyone who says "degenerate" and "cu*k" all behave exactly like this?) kys >/cyb/ /g/ was better go grab the copypasta and fuarrrking post on /g/ instead then. You can say your favorite word as much as you want over there >>904 >There isn't even really an ideology here. thank fuarrrking christ for that honestly.

I like how all the lainons criticizing OP in this thread and saying he was blowing things out of proportion are now silent with the release of lainchan.jp. It turns out, OP was right. There are kalyx sympathizers and kalyx administration hold-overs in Appleman's administration that are working to sabotage the current site. And it's completely sad that Appleman is just taking it all up the butt. Like OP said, the community is small enough, and since Appleman failed to claim kalyx's attack on the website as an attack, the community will split further and become even smaller. Kalyx is also being smart not saying that he is leading the new lainchan.jp website, for fear that he will be outed, but it's pretty ducking obvious he's the leader. If you actually read OP's points without resorting to your feelings (wahhh he called me a degenerate lelelel can you talk without using the work c_ck?) you can see the points are completely valid.

>>1310 It was very unfortunate. There have been disagreements between staff members, but I honestly didn't expect someone to try anything like this. It is a huge breach of trust, and naturally those involved have had their privileges revoked.

>>1257 funny that a kysposter is complaining about the choice of words of people. Here's a tip: nobody listens to a kysposter

>>1312 what staff is actually left here now?

>>1310 The thread died, that's why people are now "silent". If a meteor destroyed the moon they would still be in "silence" in this thread. Because it was dead. That's what happens with dead threads, people stop posting in them. Your arguments come from wrong assumptions, you assume OP's arguments were silly because he said a few bad words, but not at all. They were silly for the reasons explained over and over in this thread. Your arguments don't make a lot of sense because you come from the assumption that people are silent because a mod decided to make a lainchan spin off, when in reality this is no different from anyone making a different imageboard. Some people will go there and stop coming here, some will not go there, some will go in both. This is not the middle ages and we're not armies waging war against each other. Imageboards are places to talk about stuff with likeminded people, nothing else. If there are more likeminded people in <x>imageboard, go there and have fun, that's how it has always worked. The only thing an imageboard administrator can do to actively hurt this dynamic is trying to tailor content/wage slave, which doesn't happen here. The site going offline a few times ain't gonna kill nobody, likeminded people will still come to talk about stuff, some of them will get tired and move on, like it has always been. My problem with people like you is that you assume that everything is a pissing contest and people are actively trying to manipulate you or others. There are no conspiracies, nobody gives a soykaf about anybody else, we're mostly miserable people talking about cute anime girls in glasses and infosec, nothing else.

>>1315 We don't really divulge the list of staff. There are now 6 remaining, including myself, all of whom have been active this week.

>>1316 >kalyx makes lainchan.jp >"Don't worry lainon, it's just a spin off. In 'reality', this is no different from anyone making a different imageboard. Kalyx didn't do anything wrong." Kaly user detected. Also, >This is not the middle ages, therefore, it logically follows that people never group up to fight with each other anymore. Topkek, great argument.

>>1338 >Kaly user detected. I'm not sure what is your point. >"This is not the middle ages, therefore, it logically follows that people never group up to fight with each other anymore." I did not say that. My point is that an imageboard is a place for likeminded people to talk with each other. It's not a soccer club nor rival hacker group, thus the idea of "fighting" doesn't apply, most people don't care about what Kalyx do or doesn't do,what Seph do or doesn't do, or even what appleman do or doesn't do. As long as people don't mess with the means of communication, the community is alive and well. Bitching and whining achieves no purpose. Using shallow arguments too is a waste of time, both yours and mine. If you have something to say, say it honestly and directly, otherwise this is not communication. I'm not a child and i imagine you're not either, so don't talk like one.

>>1338 >"kalyf_g" is censored to read out as 'Kaly user" Wow, it really goes to show how protected he is here on this site. >>1340 Read my above point to see what I meant to say. Also, you're really wrapping yourself up in an illogical hole, consider the following, >"As long as people don't mess with the means of communication, the community is alive and well." >Kalyx wipes out the entire site, which is years of content. >"Hurr durr, everything is alive and well stop fighting kalyx" When will you see that there's something wrong with your reaction to kalyx's actions? His action to wipe out the entire site is in direct opposition to your logic of what a "healthy" website is. The only conclusion I can come up with is that you're working for him.

>>1341 The assumption that i'm defending Kalyx came from your posts and only them. You're fighting arguments that you came up with, and if you make up arguments of course it will make no sense. Let me be as clear as possible with what i think: 1. Kalyx is a little whiny bitch trying to get attention. Him being a little bitch does not make it impossible for you to be another whiny little bitch. If you're bitching, you can be a bitch. 2. Whining like a little bitch serves no purpose, either suggest a course of action or stop screaming as if you were in the Crusades. This is not a soccer club and nobody gives a soykaf about your anger. If you want something, say something, even if what you want is to dox kalyx, stop talking as if we were an army marching to war, it's childish and doesn't apply to the context of anonymity. 3. What kalyx did is stupid, nobody can change what happened. Whining will not make it better. Suggestions and contributions will. These are my arguments, stop getting words out of your ass and saying that they were mine.

>>1343 In the last time I quoted you, I quoted you word for word, dumbass, just to show you how stupid you are. You want suggestions? Drop the censorship of words here, have Appleman put out an open statement condemning kalyx, have Appleman promise a better site, have the mods promise they won't work for kalyx anymore, and like OP said, have Appleman promise a more properly structured site suiting the size of the community, with less moderation. I don't need to suggest new things because I am in agreement, asshole.

>>1344 >In the last time I quoted you, I quoted you word for word, dumbass, just to show you how stupid you are. And drew conclusions out of your mind. Learn to communicate. >Drop the censorship of words What censorship of words? "Kalyx" isn't censored and never was, if that's what you mean. >Have Appleman put out an open statement condemning kalyx And what would be the benefit of that, besides catharsis for some? >have Appleman promise a better site, There's a lainchan meeting planned, why do you want promises before it? Doesn't make any sense, considering the whole point of the meeting is to decide lainchan's future. >have the mods promise they won't work for kalyx anymore This is not a company, mods don't get paid and have no obligation to do anything. If they want to work for satan himself, they will. You seem to have a horrible misconception of what an anonymous imageboard is in the first place. >have Appleman promise a more properly structured site suiting the size of the community, with less moderation What does "more properly structured" mean? Back end redundancies for another kalyx-like event? Speed? Rules? Board organization?

>>1345 You said in your own words that a community is "alive and well" as long as no one messes with the communication. Kalyx wiped out the site. Do you seriously want to make the argument that wiping out an entire site and deleting everyone's conversations with each other is not equivalent to "messing with the means of communication" for everyone? I can't believe you're arguing with me over this. Kalyf_g is censored, hence-therefore name-calling kalyx is forbidden and therefore censored. As a leader, Appleman needs to be flexible according to the situation. Why wait for the meeting? There is no better time to discuss things than right here and now, while the site just suffered an attack on Kalyx and other mods who went with him over at lainchan.jp. And I don't understand what you mean by saying that lainchan isn't a company. So what? If you are a moderator of the site, you are a volunteer, and volunteers have responsibilities. Do you seriously want to make the argument that moderators shouldn't be expected to have responsibilities? Do you want to argue that if I believe moderators should have responsibilities and should promise things when things go haywire that I hold a misconception of what an imageboard community is? You, quite literally, have no respect for our site and community. You think we should do absolutely nothing and should be expected to do nothing, and that anyone that expects anything to be done about anything holds a misconception as to what an imageboard community is. I don't even get why you are here then. More properly structured means fewer boards, stickied projects, less moderation, and proper security measures. I shouldn't be the one proposing plans for such things, the mods and Appleman should be the ones at the forefront of all that.

>>1347 >Kalyx wiped out the site. Do you seriously want to make the argument that wiping out an entire site and deleting everyone's conversations with each other is not equivalent to "messing with the means of communication" for everyone? I can't believe you're arguing with me over this. You were talking about kalyx, i wasn't. Read my post and what i was referring to. You fighting your own arguments, which is quite tiresome. And i'm not sure what you mean, isn't the word "user" censored by itself? It's a regular expression, "lain user" would be just as censored. I'm not sure what you mean otherwise. >As a leader, Appleman needs to be flexible according to the situation This is not a company, you're thinking leader as in "CEO" and not "someone who has a life and uses lainchan as a leisure platform". This isn't a job for him or anyone else, stop talking as if it was. There's a meeting planned, rushing things would only lead to more confusion. It's not as if lainchan stock value will drop eh? Better safe than sorry. >So what? If you are a moderator of the site, you are a volunteer, and volunteers have responsibilities. With the site, not with their private lives. If they have anal sex with kalyx every single night it's their business, not appleman's. They can have anal sex with kalyx WHILE they moderate lainchan, as long as they do their job. It's not anyone's business. >Do you seriously want to make the argument that moderators shouldn't be expected to have responsibilities? Nope, i never said that. Only you said it, again. They don't have an obligation with who they work for or talk with outside of lainchan, their obligations with lainchan are within lainchan, what they do outside of it is their damn business. >You think we should do absolutely nothing and should be expected to do nothing, You're saying that based on your misconceptions of what i said. I'm not sure what the point of this discussion is, your only goal clearly is to stroke your own ego, you disregard everything i say and switch for something else entirely. What we should do is what we are doing, contributing to the community and fixing the mistakes. Saying "kalyx is a poo poo face" on the home of the website doesn't achieve any purpose whatsoever. >I shouldn't be the one proposing plans for such things, the mods and Appleman should be the ones at the forefront of all that. And they are, you can go on IRC to know more about it, i'm sure someone will answer you right away. You're thinking that everybody is scratching their nuts while you're screaming in the streets that the end in nigh. Your assumptions are wrong, anon.

>>1347 >Kalyf_g is censored, hence-therefore name-calling kalyx is forbidden and therefore censored. It's not name-specific. Try any other name, the same enhancement applies. >fewer boards Boards are being created as they always have been: with demand. It is possible now that some boards that were will have less demand, and won't come back. Maybe some new boards will spring into existence. The community, and so the boards that are in demand, changes over time. >stickied projects If someone comes up with a cool project that takes off, there's a good chance it will get sticked, just as before. >less moderation Where do you think moderation is excessive? Just saying we need "less moderation" isn't a helpful suggestion. >proper security measures Currently Appleman is the only one with server access, and the only staff with admin powers are those who appear to be trustworthy and haven't had any big arguments lately. Yes, we have failed in this regard. But we are now doing better.

>>1315 I'm here. I'll always be here.

>>1353 Less moderation means less locked threads and post deletions. Kalyx and his mods were infamous for deleting posts, which has lessened I think a bit now but there were still plenty of locked threads until now because of people whining and complaining about arguments they couldn't win. And if a thread goes off on a tangent, just let it do so, it's a natural thing, you don't have to lock a thread because people become interested in different things even if it's off-topic. Threads will most likely go back on-topic more often than not I believe. >>1350 Dude, I can't argue with you anymore. What these people do is our business because they did things like redirect all our headers to lainchan.jp. When people do things to your website that is not relevant to lainchan.org's interests, then it concerns the community of lainchan.org because it is an attack on it. Don't even reply, because I can't make you see that. I'm done posting.

>>1356 >Less moderation means less locked threads and post deletions. Wait but only brewing soykaf is deleted. We already have enough low quality discussions, moderation is essential to make lainchan what it is.

>>1356 >What these people do is our business because they did things like redirect all our headers to lainchan.jp Where you lose me is with the idea that appleman should prohibit them from contacting/working for kalyx. I understand your point, but moderation is about trust, there's no other way around it. Appleman has to add people he can trust and give them adequate permissions within the site. Prohibition is completely impossible to enforce, not only that but it's ethically wrong.