Who is really to blame for lainchan.jp?

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but it seems like Seph actually put in a serious effort to try and rebuild this site. I think she just realized her board post was going nowhere with the staff and said fuarrrk it. Apparently other mods agreed with her. Someone said she even got bitched at for making the /r/ board. If this is how we're going to handle things here, it seems we're fuarrrked either way.

>>1317 Even if the new site fails I'm kind of sad she left. I was hoping to see some of those boards actually happen here.

>>1320 >I was hoping to see some of those boards actually happen here. If you want to try those boards no one is stopping you from posting on lainchan.jp. They already made them all there.

>>1320 Her proposal was going somewhere, but obviously it was not fast enough for her liking. Some of those boards could still actually happen here.

Seph never seemed to tolerate people taking meme, political or 'be gentle' approaches to technology. Technology is not waiting around, do soykaf seriously or don't do it at all. This move, if anything, is in character. I second >>1321

>>1322 >Her proposal was going somewhere, but obviously it was not fast enough for her liking. I find it hard to believe that this is the whole story. The current administration has been obstructing development of lainchan.org for months. Nothing has changed and nothing will.

>>1377 >I find it hard to believe that this is the whole story. The current administration has been obstructing development of lainchan.org for months. Nothing has changed and nothing will. Someone on #lainchan.jp just said that Appleman was literally busy fixing the fuarrrking link resolver chatbot while they were building the new board. I think that demonstrates precisely why they did it. Some priorities, eh?

>>1382 Oh dear. Yeah, I think I'll make .jp my new home. They've got their priorities straight.

>>1382 >>1384 I'll go where I judge the best part of the community has gone, and where the best content is. At the moment it seems that I may choose .jp as my most frequented site, but that may change depending on how well both sites conduct themselves.

>>1382 I'm lurking and posting on both at the moment, but I'll be pretty bloody honest; despite the lack of content and the soykafpoasting trolls .jp is feeling a hell of a lot more 'polished' and complete. It feels like everyone here is just defaulting to /r/. Now what might not be a bad thing? I'm playing the waiting game. >>1386 Likewise. I mean it's entirely possible .jp will attract a 'different' sort of people and they may very well rename themselves. If both sites attract good content then hell I'll just go to both.

Lainchan.jp will end up changing it's name. It's fuarrrking stupid that they'd even think that was even close to a good idea from the start, I have no idea why or how they could think that... but ok.. I hope they succeed anyways, but this is like kicking dead whales down the beach. My favorite community is being destroyed because of disagreement in hierarchy. Go figure. Build it horizontally or it will always fail.

>>1388 See, you say that, but then you say 'Build it horizontally'. That's not actually a bad attitude. By my interpretation of those words that's kinda the situation we're looking at right here. infinite lains, infinite lainchans.

>>1386 >>1384 I'm just making a duplicate of every post I make here over on .jp, and continuing to mostly give no fuarrrks as I lurk both. Though right now it seems obvious to me that .jp is going to fail, or at least stay small as soykaf and peter off into obscurity and then oblivion. The only way I can see it ever being the new "home" for this community, or even growing in size (they've pretty much limited their ability to appeal to newcomers by using the same name) is if Lainchan.org disappeared altogether. Oh, god, I hope I'm not giving them any ideas

If you can't accept criticism of your decisions you ought to not make your own imageboard. It's beyond hypocritical.

>>1393 For clarity, that's .jp

>>1393 criticism? im a mod on .jp and we only have one single ban atm. it was for someone spamming the same soykafpost everywhere. nice try.

>>1395 So you're saying we should implicitly trust you because you posted no evidence and just take you on your word as an anon claiming to be a mod?

>>1396

>>1398 It's rude to show IP addresses. Have some class.

>>1398 I agree with >>1399. You should not share the IP addresses of your users.

>>1399 It's rude to spam our board.

>>1393 >>1399 >>1400 well waht were you expecting when you came here to whine about the ban?

>>1400 Hahah, what a joke, I remember a lainchan mod said, over IRC, that he'd give any posts' IP for like 5 bucks. If both lainchan.org and lainchan.jp are this hostile against its users; openly sharing their IP (and probably more) then I'd rather not use either. Bye.

>>1406 That's a breach of trust. If someone was found to be doing that, they would be removed.

>>1406 No imageboard i know of accepts that kind of thing nowadays. You have to be either trolling or blatantly agressive.

>>1405 I, 1399, am not the spammer. >>1401 Just starting a board and already acting childish? I'm not surprised.

>>1317 >Someone said she even got bitched at for making the /r/ board. Unless I've missed something you never explained why.

>>1410 >Unless I've missed something you never explained why. because appleman said no new boards until the meeting in may

>>1411 >because appleman said no new boards until the meeting in may

>>1411 >may

>>1411 >because appleman said no new boards until the meeting in may not may. about a week from now. even so it makes no fuarrrking sense. i feel like just installing the software and calling it a day was a major mistake. there is no reason why apple couldnt have just made the boards as they were before he let the site get wiped. you can always change them later. in the meantime we have this mess on our hands.

>>1411 >>1412 >>1413 >>1415 I don't understand what we're waiting for. They already have all of the boards up on lainchan.jp.

>>1418 >I don't understand what we're waiting for. I would say to see if things improve here, but you make a point. Why wait for things to improve here if they've already improved there. We can always come back to dot org if they get their soykaf together.

>>1419 >We can always come back to dot org if they get their soykaf together. ^ second this.

>>1419 >>1421 I'm just going to post on both until we find out which way it's going. As things stand there is more content here, but .jp is like a day old and seems to be doing things right. It could go either way to be honest.

>hurr why are all da boards back People to moderate need to be found. Choices need to be made, for example what is /cult/ meant for? "culture"? That is vague and I think appleman wants actual "reasons" for boards to me made or remade. He has plans and you people want everything now, get patience.

>>1423 *da boards not back

Why does anyone think it's a good idea to split? Especially with the same name an everything. Further, there's an incredibly suspicious series of events that have lead us here. >Kalyx deletes site >.jp pops up (was being developed before) >Kaylx approves .jp (what does this matter, he sold the site anyway) The very fact this predatory behavior and, frankly quite opportunistic decision to launch the site was perpetrated by the people behind .jp makes me ultimately distrusting of the crew there. Why call it lainchan when there are many other names, it is distinctly _not_ lainchan because lainchan was sold to Apple by Kalyx. If I was Apple I would be seeking some kind of apology from Kalyx because that seems to have broken the sale. Not only that but he deleted the fuarrrking site.

>>1426 I agree. I have no idea why anyone is even supporting kalyx. Its pretty clear this is all some fuarrrkery perpetrated by that glitterboy. Ive disliked his dumb ass since before he sold us out. Really disappointing.

>>1426 I thought this was suspicious too, glad it's not just me. I don't like seeing the community split up like this, and while I agree it's in seph and Junk and whoever-elses right to make complaints and protest I don't think making a new site does any more good than harm. Nevertheless it seems they're set on their decision now so we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out. I for one don't support what they've done at all, and will be sticking here I think.

Formula 1 is a great sport.

>Enter dot jp. >Search and find none anarchist, white supremacist and political BS. >welp ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I think it's better this soykafhole than the other one.

>>1415 Well it's probably because he's "autistic." I mean I could see myself wringing my hands too being a perfectionist and all. But the big difference is I'm not an imageboard administrator. A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect one a week later.

>>1426 >Why call it lainchan when there are many other names, it is distinctly _not_ lainchan because lainchan was sold to Apple by Kalyx. I never thought I'd say the day lains would be proud that they got sold off to the highest bigger. Are you fuarrrking kidding me? I honestly feel like the people behind .jp have more of a right to lainchan that someone who just happened to have the most fuarrrking money at the time. Use your head lain.

>>1437 b i d d e r what an odd filter

>>1437 >muh highest bidder Wow it's like kaylx was begging for donations and couldn't run the site so he sold it to somebody that could but then had seller's remorse so it's 100% ethical and moral to backstab people now amirite?

>>1439 >Wow it's like kaylx was begging for donations and couldn't run the site so he sold it to somebody that could but then had seller's remorse so it's 100% ethical and moral to backstab people now amirite? Someone that c o u l d? Where have you been? If Appleboy could run the site, lainchan.jp wouldn't even exist. What Kalyx decides to do doesn't invalidate the reason for the new site.

>>1439 Kalyx did not make jp nor was it his idea.

>>1439 Every time I Remember those cringe worthy T shirts that kalyx was trying to sell so desperately so he can get donations I lay my face in the keyboard in pity for him

>>1442 He sold quite a few m8.

>>1440 >>1440 So you're saying he is not capable of running lainchan because he couldn't predict kalyx erasing the entire site and because he wants to restructure the boards? Honestly, if there's a time to stop and think about the changes we need/want is now. I don't believe these sort of decisions have to be rushed.

They don't even have a donation link on lainchan.jp. I think that pretty much guarantees that it isn't Kalyx's site, lol. >>1444 So you're saying he is not capable of running lainchan because he couldn't predict kalyx erasing the entire site and because he wants to restructure the boards? Honestly, if there's a time to stop and think about the changes we need/want is now. I don't believe these sort of decisions have to be rushed. No I'm saying he is not capable of running lainchan because it's abundantly clear he can't handle it himself and he's too good to ask for help.

>>1445 >No I'm saying he is not capable of running lainchan because it's abundantly clear he can't handle it himself and he's too good to ask for help. ^ this

>>1441 importantly, he has endorsed it

>>1454 ...because he realizes he made a mistake in selling it to appleboy? he wasnt vetted enough. look at his website. he had no experience doing anything like this and unfortunately has proven he is unable or unwilling to learn on the job. being a good programmer is not the same as being a good community manager. a good community manager can delegate programming to someone else. appleman1234 didnt earn lainchan. appleman1234 didnt deserve lainchan. appleman1234 bought lainchan (read: you).

>>1455 >appleman1234 bought lainchan (read: you). Well that's a cynical way of looking at it. ;~;

>>1437 fuarrrk off to .jp then m8, I might not be a leftie like the main population of the site, but I know what the fuarrrk I stand by and it's not backstabbing twats who take advantage. We are not sure what's going on in the dark staff channels but we can be sure that both parties are vying for the attention of users. Appleman no doubt is expediting plans to do soykaf right now. I just dont think you coming here and trying to stir soykaf more than it is already is helpful. >inb4 ur stirring soykaf I'm trying not to but the soykaf is thoroughly stirred its looking like a mug of soykaf tea.

>>1455 and .jp is trying to get me too, fuarrrk man, there's a lot of non-info going on in the 'fight' between the sites.

>>1455 >being a good programmer is not the same as being a good community manager that means kalyx and his entourage, as unstable and impulseive as they all are, were good community managers?

Reminder that lainchan is not the staff. It's us. We are the community here, don't let this petty rivalry screw with what we have here. I might not agree with how this place is run, but at the end of the day, it's still here and that's what matters. I'm angry that it was turned into this situation; but here we still are.

>>1458 .jp is trying to get you with a quality site, not simply buying the title of admin >>1458 well, you can see how things pan out. people seem to like lainchan.jp more already

>>1460 >I might not agree with how this place is run, but at the end of the day, it's still here and that's what matters. site still exists... therefore best site? wat? >>1461 >jp is trying to get you with a quality site, not simply buying the title of admin that's a really good point. they're asking us to leave because of what they can do with lainchan. not what isnt happening here. if they didnt plan on improving things (it seems like they already are), they wouldnt have started a different site in the first place. is lainchan.org even trying anymore?

>>1462 >site still exists... therefore best site? wat? That mentality, that's the damn problem. This isn't "my site vs your site", this is about LAINCHAN, as a community. All that's happened here is a tiff between some of the staff members that has spilled out in a way that it shouldn't have done. We are the community, and this feels like an attempt to split us up. I don't like that one damn bit.

>>1460 THOSE staffs such as org and jp will ruin the whole experience for this small community if they don't get their soykaf straight I love this imageboard but the thing that kalyx did, affected us all equally There is no clear evidence that kalyx is part of jp but certainly jp will fail I hope that after the meeting apple will do the right thing and will put lainchan in the right direction once again Even thought I would be happy if the solution come quicker.

>>1464 >I hope that after the meeting apple will do the right thing and will put lainchan in the right direction once again Even thought I would be happy if the solution come quicker. apparently an informal meeting already took place last night. dot jp reached out to appleman to see if he could be reasoned with, but after four of hours pleading he only agreed that he would continue to add boards, but refused to change anything else. if the point of dot jp was to improve things here, it seems like that failed.

>>1463 Of course it's an attempt to split up the community. What else could redirecting the boardlinks be for? The .jp staff have already shown that they don't care about giving people a choice, nor do they care about having published rules.

>>1463 But this IS "my site vs your site" indeed. At least some people are making very clearly. Even in this thread. That kind of discussion is counter-productive. There are a few lainons whose sole intention is to pander to the other site.

>>1467 Yes that seems apparent, sadly. I have to say my opinion of Junk and seph has dropped dramatically after this. The fact they would treat us like this speaks volumes.

>>1465 >apparently an informal meeting already took place last night. dot jp reached out to appleman to see if he could be reasoned with, but after four of hours pleading he only agreed that he would continue to add boards, but refused to change anything else. if the point of dot jp was to improve things here, it seems like that failed. I don't think that was the only point. If that were the case, they wouldn't still be updating it.

>>1465 it wasn't pleading by any stretch of the imagination. It was more like "You must do this, and do that, and do this, oh by the way we're not demanding anything, it's all up to you... but it has to be done in 24 hours."

>>1469 >.org adds more boards that even the staffs can't handle. please crash it all in a ball and take it to a wild fire. there must be another way.

>>1466 please tell me how replacing board links was forcing you to do a thing. all it did was put lainchan.jp on the map, and they got changed after 2 hours anyway

>>1472 >want to browse /sec/ >click link for /sec/ >end up on another website against my will No forcing here. It's childish and it's vandalism.

>>1472 I can't believe that there's people who justify that kind of behavior. It was a dick move by all acounts.

>>1472 >>1473 >>1474 I understand their motive and at the same time think it was wrong. It's a dick move, but everyone is a dick anyway I'm far more concerned about the division created rather than the methods .jp used.

>>1472 That's right. And kalyx deleting the board wasn't a big deal either, no? After all the site can be restored from backups. Oops, no backups, so a lot of content was lost. But that was appleman's fault for being reckless, right?

>>1472 if a redirect breaks your world... lol

>>1470 .jp did more in 24 hours than this site has in 24 days.

>>1477 >>1478 what's keeping you brewing soykaf here then?

>>1473 >>1474 >>1475 It might not be cool, but I don't think it's fair to judge their entire staff by the actions of one person. The fact that they even have staff vs pretty much one guy here though.

>>1478 see >>1463 Stop point scoring like a child.

>>1470 meh, appleman ultimately holds the power over what happens to the site. the only reason he had to listen to them was because he'd lose all credibility if he hadn't. >>1469 hardly anyone who's on .jp was in the meeting last night. Kalyx was there, and he's associated with the project, but the people in the mumble meeting were others. IIRC jove was actually quite aggressive towards the lainchan.jp people. which is kind of funny considering he relied on their actions to get what he wanted.

>>1476 you're saying that sarcastically, but I've come to regard kalyx as something like a force of nature. he had his own reasons for deleting the site. Appleman should've confirmed that darkengine was taking backups, at the very least. or asked for the key from kalyx when he bought the site

>>1480 as it's not fair to pin all lainchan's issues on appleman or ignore that there's still staff trying to stir this in the some direction, as scarce as they might be.

>>1484 I'm not leaving because of appleman, I'm leaving because lainchan.jp presents a better option. honestly I have nothing against the dude. it's just that whatever caused .org to be terrible for the last 6 months isn't on lainchan.jp

>>1484 The problem is more Applesauce being a major point of failure, apparently. .jp suggests that responsibility and power will be more divided, which appeals to I lainon. As I said elsewhere though I'll use both boards as long as they hold up.

>>1485 but you're not leaving. you're still here complaining about this site and stating that .jp is the better option (which might be true for some). why are your wasting time here?

>>1473 okay, so here's a thing. the browser window is the box your website appears in. above that window, there's going to be another box. it's usually white. you can type things into that box. if you type the words you normally click on, you can go to those webpages. cool, right?

>>1487 Maybe some of us, you know, care about the community and think .jp is the best way forward. Being quiet about it isn't going to help this site or their site.

>>1489 this tbh. I was skeptical of lainchan.jp at first, but I switched over because I read their manifestos and thought they were making a good choice. it was kind of abrupt and I think it could've been handled differently, but at the end of the day the site is better with their changes.

>>1488 You're missing the point that people were being intentionally misdirected. Or should I not be using the site how it's designed to work?

>>1488 If a mod were to edit your post to say something you did not say, you would (quite rightfully) complain. Why is it fine when someone edits links to point to what they are not supposed to point to?

>>1491 I can't believe we're still talking about this.

I guess the propaganda campaign is still in full force. It's futile to try and reason with trolls, guys.

>>1493 Because some of us care about this community and its future. Leave the thread if you want to.

>>1493 >I can't believe people are mad that some staff abused their position to intentionally damage a community I care about. Seriously?

>>1492 cuz I didn't write those links. if a mod changed my post, it'd be framing me. If an admin changed something written by another admin, that's two admins disagreeing with each other. which is exactly what happened.

We're all pretty much jackhammering a dead horse here aren't we? People will decide where they want to go. People here should focus on convincing the remaining mods here to fix whatever broken or stupid soykaf is left on the site, as per the rest of /q/.

Look at the facts. >Kalyx is incapable of leading lainchan.org and spends months on lainchan.org crying about his depression, homelessness, and inabilities to lead the community. >Kalyx decides to sell lainchan.org to Appleman >Kalyx wipes out the site >Appleman either out of laziness or lack of ability promises the community that he will have things back up , generally speaking, a week into May. >Kalyx states he's thinking about making a new website >Kalyx's loyalists move to lainchan.jp and redirect lainchan.org's headers to link to lainchan.jp, without announcement. >Appleman holds onto his statement that he will not do anything large until a week into May >Kalyx's loyalists and other followers subvert the community on lainchan.org with the following memes, Kalyx's loyalists' memes: >We don't need drama, just go to whichever website you prefer :) >It's unethical to criticize mods just because they are affiliated with Kalyx and his loyalists at lainchan.jp >Appleman wiped the site [implying Kalyx wasn't the one who pushed the final button to wipe the site he sold to Appleman] >It was an inside job and Appleman did it to benefit himself >Seph tried really hard [she made a single board] to fix lainchan.org but she got fed up with it, so we cannot blame her at all for switching sides. Conclusion: While Appleman clearly lacks the capabilities to stay firm and protect his community, the ones who are truly deceitful, unethical, and subversive when it comes to the overall situation do not include Appleman. Lainchan, in it's original sense of the name, has died, and there is no turning back.

>>1498 >People here should focus on convincing the remaining mods here to fix whatever broken or stupid soykaf is left on the site, as per the rest of /q/. If the admins/mods that left couldn't, what makes us think us anons can achieve anything?

>>1499 Don't forget these memes: >Appleman is unreasonable and can't be convinced of anything, so don't even try >There's nothing wrong with admins having a disagreement and changing the boardlinks

>>1499 >Seph tried really hard [she made a single board] to fix lainchan.org but she got fed up with it, so we cannot blame her at all for switching sides. Honestly this just stinks of a power grab from her. She's barely been here as long as Appleman has and acts like she owns the place and her opinion must go or else. Don't get me wrong, she's done more for the site than that but she has proven again and again to be manipulative.

>>1499 > Lainchan, in it's original sense of the name, has died, and there is no turning back. It hurts.

>>1500 >Lainchan, in it's original sense of the name, has died, and there is no turning back. The site, yes, the more I read the less I feel the love of lain The community will take some time to die, though, I don't expect that to go any time soon

>>1504 I'm here for the long run; as long as we have a site and irc. I know this place can recover though, we always do. Change is going to happen anyway, let's shape it for the better.

>>1499 yea i'm sure everyone is moving to lainchan.jp because they want to kill lainchan. That makes total sense. the only option is clearly lainchan.org If you aren't with us you're against us - George W. Bush

>>1503 Don't say that I don't want to be without my favorite imageboard!!! just cause of bad fuarrking management !!!!

>>1506 I sure fuarrrking hope so lain. I'll try to contribute as best as I can to both sites. Really I'm not sure where things went wrong; when the place started out I remember everyone was really chill, and that I learned a lot about programming from them. People could disagree, and the mods didn't have to get involved much. But sometime in late 2015 or so? some event happened where /cyber/ ended up flooding our site, and whether or not it was the cause that seemed to mark the site's decline. People originally came to lainchan because it was sweet relief from the flowing trenches of soykaf that are the main chans. I'm sure where things really went wrong, whether it was fork-bombing boards or overmoderation or something else entirely. It might just have been too much traffic. >>1509 It's still there m8, must maybe not as it was. fuarrrk the all mods everywhere and fuarrrk the janitors, when the dust settles maybe the we the community can get our soykaf together and make lainchan great again

>>1510 fuarrrk that's typo-ridden all to hell. >I'm *not sure

>>1510 Even after the cyb flood. I believe /civ/ was also the killer of this site I said it in day one and I will always repeat it /civ/ was a mistake.

>>1512 yeah, /civ/ was a fuarrrking travesty

>>1512 /po‌l/ ruins everything, again.

You know you all are pretty much surrounding yourselves in a bubble of drama right? Read the threads outsite of /q/, the site is the same as it has always been, with the upside that now we don't have people from 4chan coming to post on /civ/. ==Posted in the right place flood is not detected== Take your head out of your fuarrrking ass, make the decision of moving to .jp or not, and shut the fuarrrk up about the drama unless you have something meaningful to say. You guys are sounding like old ladies, talking about trivialities and the lives of other people. This is not fuarrrking jersey shore you bunch of old hags. It's an image board, people come hang, post cute anime girls, talk about computer science and the miserable life they have. If you're not finding what you want here, get the fuarrrk out, it's always been like that. You guys are just milking the last bit of drama out of kalyx's dick. Grow the fuarrrk up.

>>1514 >>1512 >>1513 >>1514 >>1515 Literally none of this has anything to do with /civ/. What are you people smoking? Kalyx didn't come from pol Appleman didn't come from pol Seph didn't come from pol Most anons moving in and out between the two existing Lainchans didn't come from pol Do I really have to explain it?

>>1517 I'm discussing the future of a site and community I love. Sorry for being interested. >shut the fuarrrk up about the drama unless you have something meaningful to say Same to you mate.

enough said. If this site is up until sunday I will feel relief I can see that Apple is starting to add /zzz/ (my favorite board) and another board. Guess it's time to start over Lains

>>1519 >"You guys are in a bubble that does not exist, get out of it and read the posts" is pretty meaningul, because while in a bubble you need to get out of it and breathe fresh air. Whining is not meaningful and serves zero purpose. You're just wanking over drama.

>>1521 What I can't check back in on this thread and reply once in a while? "Whining" or whatever you call it is used for groups of people to reach a consensus and share ideas about the situation. Go post in some of those other threads instead of trying to shut down discussion in this one.

As long as there's a pirate/knock off version of lainchan, it's always going to be more attractive to post there. The only way for .org to win the style war is to reincorporate on a domain in Togo our Sri Lanka or something... Maybe freenet.

>>1522 My point is that the discussion in here reached a point where nothing of value is being discussed. You're free to continue posting, of course. I just ask you to be aware of the fact that a lot of what is being discussed about does not exist in reality. It's an absurd exaggeration that doesn't make sense if you just go on /mega/ for a second, that is my point. I'm not trying to shut down a discussion, just point something relevant: i think what you guys are talking about isn't very real.

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>>1526 kalyx is like a supervillain that sometimes turns back to the good side before lapsing again and nearly destroying everything. Join us next week.

>>1527 Neutral good

>>1527 >Chaotic Neutral

>>1526 launchs lainchan.jp. pleads with appleman for 6 hours to let them help with lainchan.org. in spite of the revolution, appleman still wont release his iron grip. he will continue to never ask for help or delegate anything ever. nothing will ever change. the meeting is pointless. lain help us all.

>>1387 You're kidding right? Its just tinychan+vichan with soykafty CSS. It doesn't even have a working catalog. This whole thing disgusts me, entitled mods who think their opinions are so important that they are allowed to abuse the trust placed in them to advertise a new chan is disgusting.

>>1530 Jesus. If this won't get through to him, nothing will. fuarrrk it.

>>1531 >It doesn't even have a working catalog. Works fine for me e.g., https://lainchan.jp/cyb/catalog.html

>>1532 >nothing will spam lainchan with gore and cp that 'oughta do it

>>1530 In appleman's place i would also have a hard time trusting other people. Can't be helped. The chan is fine tho, i'm not sure what you guys want exactly.

>>1523 I don't understand why you would think this, are you suggesting that is somehow "cyber" because as far as I'm concerned .jp is a betrayal.

>>1533 Ah its on the bottom, kinda plays more into the soykafty CSS thing though imo since thats pretty much the only thing you have to do with that stack.

>>1535 just rename this place applechan and let them be lainchan lol

>>1537 the site is less than 48 hours old. just ask for them to change it and they probably will. they seem open to that sort of thing.

>>1532 > Whining like children, destroying applemans trust and creating competing board just won't get through to him!

>>1540 I think they already tried asking nicely.

>>1530 Just because appleman doesn't do exactly whatever you and your "friend group" wants doesn't fuarrrking mean that he has an "iron grip" fuarrrking hate mod cliques who pull this bullsoykaf, this is reddit tier mod drama, this is disgusting

>>1541 Just because they "asked nicely" doesn't mean they deserve to get what they want and behave this fashion. Additionally considering how much whining I'm seeing from them in just this thread alone, I have trouble believing they did much "asking" and think its more likely they were just demanding.

>>1543 >Just because they "asked nicely" doesn't mean they deserve to get what they want and behave this fashion. Additionally considering how much whining I'm seeing from them in just this thread alone, I have trouble believing they did much "asking" and think its more likely they were just demanding. You shouldn't have to demand for collaboration, delegation, and teamwork in the first place.

>>1538 What characteristics in here make this less lainchan than it was two years ago? You're all talking very loud but making very little sense.

>>1544 You are dancing around in circles about the fact that this all goes out the window once you create a board with the same name in an attempt to destroy the original. If they had problems then they could have made a new board and done it the way they wanted, they did not.

>>1539 Well you are missing the point here mate, it is not in anyway "better" than lainchan other than the silly argument that unstable backstabbing mods run it. When you are running on nearly the exact same stack (tinychan+vichan) the bare minimum would be making the CSS work better, but they couldn't even get that right.

>>1518 The reason these people get their panties in a bunch over /civ/ is because when kalyx made it he assumed lainchan was filled with people of the same beliefs as his buddies on 0chan. When kaylx's entourage and the peeps from 0chan who also frequented this site realized that lainchain was not filled with anarcho-communists as they wrongly assumed, they freaked the fuarrrk out and came to the only possible logic conclusion that /-pol-/ must have invaded the board and ruined everything.

>>1549 Where do you get this soykaf from

>outside forces trying to pressure to get moderation >it fails >now they are trying to force get moderation by whinning and trying to destroy lainchan reputation Easily identifiable tactics here people Just ignore these braindead losers and they will go away

>>1549 If you draw conclusions from the air, what differentiates you from a tinfoil-wearing-us-hides-ufo-believing peep?

>>1544 >You shouldn't have to demand for collaboration, delegation, and teamwork in the first place. ^

>>1459 They kept the lights on, didn't they? Shouldn't years of loyal service to the community count for something? In the end, I guess it comes down to how much of a purist you are.

>>1561 >Shouldn't years of loyal service to the community count for something? It counted for kalyx having the privileges of an administrator even after selling the website. Then he made mistakes upon mistakes until he had to be left out. Again and again the discussions of this thread make no sense and come back to pointless whining. Come up people, criticize what makes sense, give suggestions. If this thread was about any other subject it would have been deleted long ago, the quality of discussion here is laughable.

jove here (You may know me as the guy who raged like a motherfucker at Seph and Junk over changing the board list yeserday). I've been sat in the middle of this trying to talk to everyone and resolve this whole thing in a way that doesn't splinter the community. As I've made clear before my allegiance lies with lain more than any one site or administration team. I had a lot of sympathy for everyone going into this but I cannot support any action that threatens to set lain against lain. Making a new site with the same name was foolish and ill-advised (as in literally I advised them not to), but understandable. Changing the board-list was reckless, childish and ensured that their only hope of success was in division and animosity. I'm still mad. First, I'd like to clear up some of the misconceptions here. kalyx is not behind .jp and him deleting the site, while something of a catalyst for this whole thing, was done without knowledge that anyone was going to start a new one. Consider that if this weren't the case, they'd have waited until .jp was up before they did it. More than that, when I got on mumble with him, kalyx immediately suggested that we just go and talk to Appleman and try to sort this out. He is all sorts of an idiot, but he's not a terrible person. Second, the people at the meeting yesterday weren't the .jp people. It was myself, kalyx, iLikeBiscuits (guy who got the radio back up) and a few random community members who happened to wander in. We did ask Seph to join us she refused on the grounds that she was sure it would go nowhere and that Appleman wouldn't listen to us. The meeting was fruitful. I had a lot of misgivings going into it after what Seph had been telling me. She was wrong. Appleman can be difficult to communicate with, but he's a good guy who really cares about this place and was totally willing to spend hours listening to the things we, a bunch of random people (including even the guy who deleted his server a week ago) had to say and take them on board. On that note, it transpires that the whole "2 weeks until the boards are back" thing was a miscommunication. That was his latest possible estimation for when the site would be "fully operational" and he's quite a literally minded person. The only reason I pushed for 24 hours for the boards being back was because that was before we'd worked out this miscommunication and I was worried it really was the plan for it to take 2 weeks. It seems that 24 hours for all of them wasn't practical (there's a lot more goes into it than just creating the board), but expect the rest to be back soon(tm). That's not to say they'll be exactly as they were before, but they'll be in working order.

>>1563 Thanks for clearing up the situation

>>1564 No worries. Just trying to keep people informed. I'm a great believer that if you give people good information they'll make good decisions. I've said it a few times over the past few days but openness and honesty will go a long way here. None of us are enemies, we all love lain, and none of us should have anything to hide. I just wish everyone had been on the same page about that. I also really hope we can stay on the same page regarding division and animosity. Ok, yes, the people behind .jp betrayed the positions of trust they were granted when they messed with the board list. It was a soykafty thing to do and kicked this whole thing off with hostility. I tried so hard to prevent a "war," lain against lain. As with most wars, all it means is that everybody loses. Creating a new site isn't totally unreasonable if you feel you need a different admin. It's not ideal, but sometimes there's no other way. Hell, I supported them and offered good advice well meant when I was told that that was their plan (advice that was entirely ignored apparently). Anyway, moving on before I get tempted to rage like a mad bastard again. Yes, they've acted foolishly and divisively but they're still lains and they still had the best of intentions here. Everybody loses in war so let's just not have a war. Be better than I was with my rage yesterday, put aside their reckless and foolish actions and work against division and animosity, wherever you're posting. I understand, me getting so fuarrrking mad hasn't helped that, but it is the right thing to do. Even if the only lains we lose from this are the few that were behind it that's a loss. So yeah, everyone involved in this in any capacity are good people, good lains and I'd hate to see what happened with 8/cyber/ happen again. Where one of the boards slowly dies due to lack of posters and the few that are left refuse to move because they feel it would be "traitorous." So, let's just not do that. No war, no sides, no allegiances to to one site over the other, love of lain comes first.

>>1566 Hear, hear.

tbf it seems like jp thinks lainchan isn't run by the community but instead by apple, they feel disenfranchised

>>1563 >>1566 You type all that but fail mention the one real fact that matters most to some of us here; That Kalyx, in the end, was the final person who decided to push the button and wipe out the entire site. You try to assure us that this wasn't a giant conspiracy for Kalyx to get lainchan.jp running off with a good start and a good population of visitors, but here's the thing, no one thought that, you idiot. What most of us saw was a sick man as explained by >>819 using his own stupidity and maliciousness as an opportunity to regain some power that he had lost previously. Does anyone here have any evidence against this case? Of course Kalyx would offer help to Appleman, he is perpetrator who caused all of this, you dummy. If he didn't offer help he would be looked at as the most hateful person on the internet. And no one knows the private conversations between Appleman and Kalyx, so no one is really sure if any good information was given to Appleman by Kalyx anyway. And even if Kalyx was helpful, at the end of the day the whole situation was as if you went to a car dealer, bought a car, and the car dealer came to your house a few months later and smashed the crap out of your car. No matter how much you type, you won't ever make lainons forget about that fact. And no matter how much lainons criticize Appleman saying he should have always had the car safe in a garage, it will never negate the fact that the car dealer came to his house and smashed the car he had sold to its current legal owner. What's more, Appleman's response, to some lainons, seemed as if he went to the car dealer, who had just smashed his car, for advice on how to fix the car instead of suing the crap out of him as a consequence for what he did. Does this imagery help you understand how stupid and ridiculous this whole situation looks to some rational thinking lainons? I know you're gonna reply back and say that making lainons forget about all this wasn't your intention, but it really looks like that that is what you would like given by what you're saying. Some of us here don't ever want to see Kalyx again, see Seph again, or see anyone over there again. It's not even that we like Appleman, but we at least wanted to wait to see him, who didn't initiate the crimes and who is in fact our current owner, communicate with the community and more with us rather than the perpetrators and the criminals. "Appleman is losing his trust"? GIVE ME A BREAK. Seeing him talk so much with the initiators of this event makes it seem he trusts them with all his heart. To be honest though, all of what I'm saying probably doesn't matter to any of you or other lainons anyway, because those people who I am talking about will probably simply leave the community quitely as a result. That means less contributors to the lainzine, less talented programmers, and even less post activity. But hey, it might just be a small amount of lainons leaving. Maybe it won't be that bad, who has the hard numbers anyway?

Honestly >>1426 seems the best response to me, and I don't really see the problem with .org right now. If we could just shut down .org and get everyone to move to jp then yes, .jp is a nicer place with fewer problems, and I'd be for it. But we can't, and any attempt to do that would just split the community and be bad for everyone honestly. As for >>1437 , we're not proud we were "sold off to the highest bidder." Apple has been with lainchan for years and he's trustworthy. If anyone wasn't happy about apple they would have left months ago when it got sold, not now when it was temporarily down. I like apple and so does almost everyone here. Kalyx said himself he's unfit to have any power and that's the reason he sold it in the first place. No reason to follow kalyx to a new site whatsoever.

Even though it's harsher on the people who started .jp than I feel it should be, >>1499 is really the only correct answer.

>>1552 They made it up. 0ch didn't even exist yet when /civ/ happened.

>The meeting was fruitful. I had a lot of misgivings going into it after what Seph had been telling me. She was wrong. Appleman can be difficult to communicate with, but he's a good guy who really cares about this place and was totally willing to spend hours listening to the things we, a bunch of random people (including even the guy who deleted his server a week ago) had to say and take them on board. You say it was fruitful but then fail to share any evidence of this. After a six hour conversation, I would think you'd have something to show for it. What has changed?

>>1566 I don't see why they'd make the effort to build a new site if they didn't love lain?

>>1566 >So yeah, everyone involved in this in any capacity are good people, good lains and I'd hate to see what happened with 8/cyber/ happen again. Where one of the boards slowly dies due to lack of posters and the few that are left refuse to move because they feel it would be "traitorous." So, let's just not do that. No war, no sides, no allegiances to to one site over the other, love of lain comes first. If the new site is under new management, doesn't that increase the odds of it attracting new members? We keep saying that this will only divide the community, but if lainchan.jp does this right perhaps it will be even more active than .org presently is. Things here have been pretty stale here imo. This lain is glad to see something shake things up.

>>1571 >tbf it seems like jp thinks lainchan isn't run by the community but instead by apple uhh... seems like? it is lol

>>1573 >If we could just shut down .org and get everyone to move to jp then yes, .jp is a nicer place with fewer problems, and I'd be for it. But we can't, and any attempt to do that would just split the community and be bad for everyone honestly. if appleboy knew what was best for lain, he would just drop org and join the staff of jp. at least that way he doesnt have to do everything by himself. many > one.

>>1573 >As for >>1437 , we're not proud we were "sold off to the highest bidder." Apple has been with lainchan for years and he's trustworthy. If anyone wasn't happy about apple they would have left months ago when it got sold, not now when it was temporarily down. I like apple and so does almost everyone here. i know people that did exactly that. they left as soon as it was sold. others left shortly after. of course some of those that remain would be 'happy' wih apple, but what does that really mean? paying the hosting bill doesnt exactly make one a good admin. we could have crowdfunded that soykaf. >Kalyx said himself he's unfit to have any power and that's the reason he sold it in the first place. No reason to follow kalyx to a new site whatsoever. follow kalyx to the new site? it isnt his. does not compute.

>>1571 that kind of makes me wonder. why didnt appleman bring in anyone to help him when he took over the site? does he not know anyone??

as mentioned before, this seems like an outside push to get a hold over moderation and administration of lainchan. either those anarchists or those polacks who came here to push their narrative now see lainchan as a venue to control. Either way, wait until dust settles in and don't make any rash decisions

>>1582 >we could have crowdfunded that soykaf. If that were the case, then kalyx wouldn't have had to sell it. So evidently we couldn't crowdfund it.

>>1581 He never did everything by himself and he's still got people with him. The notion that he's some sole dictator whose supporters all left is a false one and I don't even know who started talking about it as being real. It's like one of those narratives that are created just so people behind it could be the righteous ones, but the actual situation is much more complex. >>1582 Crowdfunding the hosting bill wasn't going so well - kalyx took a lot of donations for it and despite having some very generous people, there were still cases of not being sure if the server is going to be paid for. Hell, this is the reason why it got sold in the first place. >>1584 This is definitely not a political issue - there are still people on both extremes on both sites and neither one has a strict political identity right now.

>>1578 >>1579 >>1581 >>1582 Looks like a couple of people from .jp came over and posted at once. You guys know it would look more believable if you posted at separate times, right?

>>1586 >definitely not a political issue Administration and moderation of discussion is the goal of many political figures. I have read a couple of politically motivated forum disruption techniques to know when I am seeing one. This whole e-drama smells of a group of people trying to seed distrust in lain org in order to either gain moderation of org or gain audience on jp. >there are still people on both extremes on both sites suuuuureeeee... and I trust your words why? >right now Exactly "give it time" as I already said. But this thread is enough of evidence for me.

>>1588 I am >>1578 and >>1579 and I am not from .jp (if by that you mean I am staff there). I know you find this hard to believe, but some of us actually love lain more than a top level domain extension.

>>1590 >posts a .jp banner >says only good things about .jp and calls .org stale >"I am not from .jp (lol) I never said you were definitely staff but you clearly are from .jp. Stay in your containment chan, pleb.

>>1592 >Stay in your containment chan, pleb. Fair enough. As you wish.

>>1592 >I never said you were definitely staff but you clearly are from .jp. ...and you are clearly "from" .org? That shouldn't invalidate either of your points, lain.

>>1592 >Stay in your containment chan, pleb. That attitude won't drive anyone away...

>>1563 >>1566 You speak of the present, but what of the future? You seem to know what's going on.

>>1595 If shoving out a deceitful .jp poster isn't enough evidence for you that I'm from .org, you're an idiot. >>1596 Except it just did. And if I ever see him again I'll do the same thing.

>>1566 >Creating a new site isn't totally unreasonable if you feel you need a different admin. It's not ideal, but sometimes there's no other way. Hell, I supported them and offered good advice well meant when I was told that that was their plan (advice that was entirely ignored apparently). Why did you support them?

>>1600 While I don't believe jove is 100% with .jp, I do believe he's being stupid sitting on the fence with all of this. He keeps advocating for peace, but while he does so, Kalyx is wiping our site, traitorous mods are redirecting our headers, and .jp posters are subverting here us like the puppets they are. (I bet Seph is pulling the strings here). And if you look at the screenshots of the mumble groups Kalyx is releasing, jove seems to be always with them and listening in. I wouldn't trust jove until he clearly picks sides.

>>1601 It looks like Jove is pulling strings too, but then again we all are. We're trying to influence the future of lainchan. That's why we're here. I don't think anyone explicitly wants to harm the community so I don't understand why we're making this so personal.

>>1602 We're making this personal because personal interests are involved. If Jove keeps hanging out with Kalyx's circle of friends, I have good reason to believe he shares interests with them and their vision. And to make things clear, their vision of the future is a single lainchan community over at .jp, and either the death or irrelevancy of Appleman's .org website, which Appleman procured legally and in good faith. Personally, I cannot share with their vision over at .jp because of the personality of the mods there. Kalyx is simply a malicious person if you know his past, Seph is manipulative, and the rest act like serpents slithering around and looking to please the both of them. I'd rather hang out with a somewhat incompetent leader like Appleman than hang out with their lot, but I fear Appleman considers Kalyx and his friends to be friends with him even though they would only like to see him brought down on their level. All of this does come down to personalities, which is why it needs to be discussed without any fear. And if Appleman keeps hanging out with their clique, I won't be here much longer myself.

>>1572 Whoa, calm down there. >no one thought that Except for, at least, >>1426 and I've heard plenty of people mention it. More than that, it is kinda suspicious and if it wasn't for the fact that I've seen things (jove again if you didn't notice) most people haven't I'd probably be thinking it myself. >seemed as if he went to the car dealer, who had just smashed his car, for advice on how to fix the car The only real help he's taken from kalyx was immediately following the deletion when he got the info from him that he needed to reclaim those accounts and lock kalyx out properly. Yes, kalyx was there when we went to talk with him but he wasn't a big part of the conversation. I (and the random people who happened to be there, thanks paradox+maps. You guys were a big help) did most of the talking. He did offer to help out by being a janitor (where he wouldn't be able to do irreversible damage even if he wanted to). Both Appleman and myself said that was probably a bad idea because, at the very least, everyone hates him. >it really looks like that that is what you would like given by what you're saying. No. That's not what it looks like to anyone rational at all. I cleared up the misconceptions that the events were directly connected and I will continue doing what I've always done. Tell the truth as I see it. Again, kalyx is all sorts of an idiot, he's not a terrible person. Though, personally, I think it would be foolish to put him in any position where he could do similar again. >"Appleman is losing his trust"? What do you even mean by this? Who's trust? Kalyx's? Why would that matter? >Seeing him talk so much with the initiators of this event makes it seem he trusts them with all his heart He is on mumble (or IRC) pretty much every day. If you want to go talk to him he's right there (lainchan.org default port). Neither he, nor I (but that's a personal thing), have any trust left for those people. >because those people who I am talking about will probably simply leave the community quitely as a result Which people? Not having a chunk of people leave for no good reason has been my main aim throughout all of this bullsoykaf. Honestly I'm not sure what you're driving at with most of this. Kalyx is a soykaf? Unarguable, the guy deleted the server, though, personally, I do still consider him a friend despite his bloody idiocy. Appleman shouldn't be listening to him? Appleman's a fuarrrking saint when it comes to not taking things personally. I could probably kill his grandma and he'd still be willing to talk with me and it's a public mumble. Anyone can go talk with him. >>1573 >any attempt to do that would just split the community and be bad for everyone honestly. Yep. The worst part is there were ways to do this that wouldn't split the community. If they'd just made a site with a different name, laid out their problems on /q/, encouraged people not to hate on each other over this and to cross post and been patient and let it happen slowly and gradually we'd have been alright and, in the long run, the best site would have won. Instead they go and fuarrrk with the fuarrrking board list first fuarrrking thing. I fuarrrking told them. Anyway, I'm not gonna rage at them again, we've seen enough of that. Continued.

Continued. >we're not proud we were "sold off to the highest bidder." For the record, we weren't. Appleman was the highest bidder who was also capable of doing the job. >follow kalyx I'll say it again. Kalyx wasn't really behind this (or at least that's what he tells me), driving force was Seph. And, to the people behind lainchan.jp: fuarrrk you if you're mad at me for "leaking" your soykaf. You have no good reason to try to keep secrets from this community and that includes Appleman. >>1574 The problem is it isn't an answer. It doesn't explain what we're actually going to do (and is wrong about a number of details). Please, personal plea, don't hate. When (and I do mean when) lainchan.jp fails let them all be lains again. I'm not saying put any of them in positions of trust again, they pissed that away, but let them just be lains. >Bunch of posts complimentary of .jp. >Lemme just check my buffers real quick. >Right after Seph becomes active again on IRC. >Coincidence? Tbf maybe but... Hi! You have no idea how tempting it is to just sit back and let people hate on you right now while I sip on a giant glass of I told you so, but I won't. Not for you, fuarrrk you and your divisive bullsoykaf, but for lain and because it's the right thing to do. As I told you before, I'm probably going to fail at this, but I'm gonna try anyway. So yeah, again, they aren't bad people. I honestly believe that they did what they did with the best of intentions. >>1597 I can't see the future sadly. Expect more boards back soon(tm) and for a more active (i.e. going out and asking appropriate people) rather than passive (i.e. waiting for applications) style of mod recruitment over the next few months. >>1599 Pls no. Pls. Pls. PLS! >>1600 I was told that they'd tried very hard to deal with Appleman but found him impossible. I'm very much starting to wonder how much that was true. I sat and talked with him for a few hours last night and, while he could be difficult to communicate with, it was far from impossible. >>1601 My intention going into this was to not pick a side, help everyone, and try to maintain peace. That ended the moment they fuarrrked with the board list. I should make clear, my allegiance is where it always was, to lain, to this community and to avoiding the splitting thereof. The only reason I've picked a side now is that I had no choice if I wanted to maintain that true allegiance. As I said in other threads yesterday, good lains are going to judge them for what they did (and quite rightly. It was soykafty) and refuse to move site and I will not leave those people behind. Here is the only choice for me now. I really like to not leave the people at .jp behind when it dies as well. Please? As for always being there and listening in. Yep. I do my best to stay informed. It's panned out well in the past. I'm the guy told Appleman what had happened when the server was deleted (prior to that we assumed it was just the routing issues that had led to the reset email being sent). That has ended. Seph stopped talking to me after I told her I wouldn't mod for her (same as I won't for lainchan) and in general I'm not trusted because I "leak" things (i.e. try to make sure everyone has good information so they can make good descisions). >>1602 Yep. Doing my best for lain as I have been for years now. >>1603 He doesn't hang out with them at all.

>>1601 >being this much of a conspiritard

>>1606 Go back to .jp, Seph.

>>1601 Welp, I'm in both of those, I guess that means I'm with .jp now.

>>1592 >pleb woah there, lets not get hasty here. On the real, so far it's: >Ka lyx is a glitterboy. >Former admins are impulsive babies >Obscure community divided >Applememe didnt expect to get ass raped so he didnt prepare >Sketchy soykaf behind the scenes w/Kalif and former admins Lain is and has been dying. Right now decadance is playing divide and conquer. Splitting us up like this is a means to an end I dont want to see. I dont trust the dissenters. Some of their arguments seem dishonest, like those of a politician. like this highest bidder meme doesnt even make sense to me. Yes apple bought lainchan. Does this mean he doesnt care? not necessarily. Lets not forget who sold us off in the first place. I dont trust anyone in allegiance with Kalif

Although I see the argument about Appleman doing things slow, and I'm no fan of it either, I still don't understand other arguments. >Appleman bought his place Who is more disgusting, the guy buying it, or the guy selling it? The first one bought it fair-and-square, the second one regretted his decision, didn't even have money to buy it back, so just put it on fire to make sure the first guy doesn't have anything from it either. Classy. >Appleman didn't trust people And looks like he was absolutely right not to. Seller put his stuff on fire and while he was putting the fire out, his staff broke in and stole what they could. >But Kalyx supports us! Yeah, but in this context, it's like Hitler supporting synagogue construction. He kicked in the almost dead community twice. I wouldn't believe he has nose between his eyes if he would told me.

lainchan.jp drama went completely over my head I just looked at the site, and am I the only one who thinks that lpj looks like one of those fake phishing sites? Maybe it's because I'm so used to our standard theme but damn it looks like a honeypot.

Hi , I forgive everyone, even the ones that back-stabbed, let them be, but they just don't deserve any respect. I had interest on a reply for >>1545 but no one answered, this is an imageboard, what do you want? Its about content, not features, boards come and go, my favorite boards got changed before and after kalyx. Kalyx deleted my favorite site, admins at .jp sabotaged it. You can wipe all the admins and mods, but the theme and people that post are the important ones, everything else its just the vehicle and carrier to deliver the content

This all seems a bit hypothetical. .jp has no posts. Still not sure what Appleman did (besides not managing the server correctly).

>>1771 >This all seems a bit hypothetical. .jp has no posts. Still not sure what Appleman did (besides not managing the server correctly). To be fair their site has only been around a few days.

https://soykaf.org >late April 2017> plain and simple I had no prior access to lainchan before I recieved the pasword reset message. I installed Centos on top of the data. No plan, just a protest against the last 6 months of lainchan. when the site was sold Appleman refused help and refused to create relationships with the mods. plenty of retarded changes have happened and almost all of the mods left since appleman himself decided he did not need help. after the wipe I was trying to setup a mastodon instance for my close lain friends. seph went on to make jp and asked for my aporoval. i did not really want to go either way until things were sorted out between the real lainchan. plus ive been working a fuarrrk ton. regardless of my actions this was enevitable . sure i probably accelerated it. we had a big mumble meeting with appleman and he was more interested in transcribing the meeting than having any type of opinion . we were recording this meeting too until appleman wanted it stopped. basically it was like kicking dead whales down the beach. at this point i believe jp has more of a chance to continue lainchans vibe. thats where ill be and thats where youll find mods that care and work together. i hate "yes" men. everyone made mistakes in this situation. in the end the statement seph wrote on the jp homepage convinced me. kalyx@openmailbox.org

>>1771 >This all seems a bit hypothetical. .jp has no posts. and we can keep it that way if youd shut the fuarrrk up about it

The traitors have made themselves known. >Administrators > >Junk >Kalyx >n1x >nildicit >ps3udonym >Seph >yuuko > >Moderators > >brig >Clickbait (Melancholy) >iLikeBiscuits >installgen2 >megami >mewt >xen > >Developers > >Kohaku >prometheus >r0gu3

Why is it so hard for you all to just ignore .jp? They barely have any posts. Threads about .jp probably have more posts than the total of .jp. Let them die, jesus christ.

(ex-)mods = frauds

oh boy e-drama soykaf, I can't wait for the h3h3 video epic ftw!

>>1775 >The traitors have made themselves known. well, OP, now we know who to blame

>>1775 Where did you make that list from?

>>1784 >Where did you make that list from? It's on their faq. https://lainchan.jp/faq.php

[h]THEY'VE REVEALED THEMSELVES[/h] >mfw Seph strategically puts herself second to last to make it look like she had nothing to do with initiating the site's creation

>>1789 It's in alphabetical order.

>>1790 >>1789 That's pretty funny. Important note: these people aren't all ex-.org mods and admins, so it's not like .org got this amount of mods moved away - .org still has a staff that's easily enough to support the site. I'm mentioning this because some people mistakenly claim that .org is Appleman working alone against a huge group of .jp's staff. Also, how about we tone down the "traitor" talk a bit? People can disagree with .org's ideas and move too .jp for their reasons. I think there are better topics here - for example, can the two chans co-exist peacefully without conflict between them? I think most of the people on .jp are fine people and if they had gone and made a someother-chan, this discussion wouldn't be nearly as intense. I think it's clear at this point that both .org and .jp aren't going to just fall apart without an userbase, so how does the interaction between them look? Constant bickering is fruitless and would distract from the main purposes of both places, so what do we do?

>>1790 >>1789 embarassing

>>1790 >>1792 And does the fact that it's in alphabetical order change my point? Seph made the site, so for all intents and purposes, she has every right to put herself first on the list, just as most people would if they created a website. Seph, take your boyfriend (Kalyx) and go back to your containment chan.

>>1793 >And does the fact that it's in alphabetical order change my point? Of course it does. If Seph were at the top of the list, it would not be in alphabetical order. The list is in alphabetical order, so naturally Seph is not at the top. I think you're reading too deeply into it. >>1791 >Also, how about we tone down the "traitor" talk a bit? I agree. The best way to deal with .jp is to ignore them and make .org even better. Giving them more attention only helps them. We already far outstrip them in posting rate: by my estimate they have about 500 posts at most, whereas we have 4500 since the wipe. We have a larger community. The boards people wanted from before the wipe are mostly all back. Things aren't so bad for us: but they have the difficulty of building up a self-sustaining community from almost nothing, this is the stage in which most sites die. Sure, they perhaps got a small burst of initial users from every fifth post on .org being about .jp, but the number of posts suggest it was no more than small.

>>1794 You know what's funny is the boards are back directly because of kalyx's intervention. Appleman had planned on leaving the boards out for weeks until he could find moderators.

From the other .jp thread: >Jove forced to pick a side If you could all do me a big favour and just forget about me I'd appreciate it. I'm nobody special. (Also don't capitalise my name). >>1798 That's not true. We did rush him but the whole "It's going to take weeks" thing was a miscommunication. Polite sage in the spirit of forgetting.

>>1799 How did you get anything other than "Im not in a hurry to do anything" from that discussion?

>>1798 This is the greatest meme ever. I took a look at their /q/ and they're spouting this meme over and over again over there to spread the idea that kalyx was a good boy, and always has been a good boy! What they're really doing is trying to distort reality as well as Lainchan's history by writing out the part that Kalyx was such an insufferable glitterboy throughout his entire time as head honcho of the website. And in my opinion, things didn't all of a sudden take a turn for the better after Appleman's perfectly fair and legal take over, but at least Appleman is quite conservative when it comes to massive changes, (which can be a good quality for a leader), and isn't an unstable mess like Kalyx. This is why I have so much more respect and loyalty toward the big Apple, as stupid as he is for not creating proper backups. He's human though, and makes mistakes. But then you have this idiotic dunce here >>1773 (not talking about the poster) >No plan, just a protest against the last 6 months of lainchan. If this isn't the definition of what an insufferable glitterboy is, I don't know what is. He's like the retarded antifascists out there on the street right now beating people up and saying "None of what I'm doing is blatantly aggressive, I'm just making a fair point! What, I'm not allowed to do that?" And then he goes on to complain about Appleman, pointing out things of which he has no evidence for - I mean he's just complaining about how conservative and stable Appleman is, which when you think about it makes sense because he's the complete opposite of the guy he sold the website to!

>>1775 Quite surprised that DE isn't there. Anyhow, I don't necessarily have anything against kalyx but just like how some lainon said itt, we are lainchan and most of the community is still staying here. May God help Applebutt

>>1804 By listening? We talked for hours, including after most people went to bed. As much as recently it's been all about putting out the fires, he does have plans. Also, the boards are back. There's really nothing to hurry about any more.

>>1809 Haven't seen DE in forever...

>>1808 the reality of the situation is more like this

>>1818 This image would only make sense if .jp had more than half a dozen posts. What's the point of this discussion at all? You like .jp, 4chan, 8chan? Go there. Stop trying to wage slave it here, it's just low and irritating.

>>1819 i'm the bottom there. things used to be comfy here and they no longer are. only still here because there's not really much of a different place to go. if we could revert everything to where it was a year ago, then remove kalyx, not instate appleman ever, and have things owned and run communally by three or so other staff from back then, it might be ok. as it stands, not sure how to get from here to there, much of the userbase has been swapped in the meantime, seeing this as a safe-haven for garbage, so "correcting leadership" won't take things anywhere really, and splitting off just attracts more garbage instead of solving the problem, as was intended.

>>1820 Then properly voice your concerns instead of implying that everybody feels like you and are migrating to some faraway land. I haven't used lainchan in a longtime due to the wave of politics of last year. For me this is as good as it could be, but i cannot force the way i feel on other people, neither can you. If something bothers you, properly write it down and post it on /q/, that's what it's here for after all.

>>1821 >then properly voice your concerns the problem is that, with appleman around, voicing things is pointless. not because he doesn't want to help and isn't making an honest effort etc. just isn't compatible with humans, so any communication is lost-in-transit. and there's no way to recover things now anyways, as just said. the politics wave saw to that.

>>1818 pretty accurate. the lainchan.org IRC is still comf.

>>1822 We're literally having a massive >30 person mumble meeting with him right now. If you've concerns come along.

>>1822 >appleman is not a human and cannot comprehend human feelings! Have you ever talked with the guy? He may be unwilling to deal with bullsoykaf, which i respect. But talking as if he was one of those deaf mutes is silly and a hyperbole. If what you say makes sense, he will probably do. Just like anyone else.

>>1825 i'm in there right now, yes. nothing's really happening

>>1826 its a matter of him trying to rely on LOGIC and BUREAUCRACY because he can't intuit human emotions. also, he's unwilling to share responsibility, and this has driven away the people who cared most because they're unable to effectually improve anything, with appleman then acting both as a bottleneck, preventing concerns from being addressed, and a single point of failure, trying to micro-manage everything in his image even when it doesn't fit the situation at all.

>>1827 So say whatever it is you want to say. We're doing the "what features do you want" bit right now. Just speak up.

>>1830 anything said in text rather than aloud is ignored. there is one "voice-of-reason" who actually has a microphone (iLikeBiscuits), and everything he's said has been met with strained tolerance and thinly-veiled sarcasm from appleman, as he reads it as a direct attack on his character.

>>1829 Well, it's working for me. I like his management and for some ungodly reason he has stamina to take up so much soykaf and spend so much time. I think you're overreacting as i've never had these problems or nothing close to them. In the end everybody does whatever is best for them. Just don't wage slave, it's silly.

>>1831 Get a mic. It's a mumble meeting. We even started with saying that >he reads it as a direct attack on his character. So do I. iLikeBiscuits clearly has an agenda that he's trying to push into every topic. "Why didn't you write a mumble-irc bridge bot?" is not a valid criticism.

>>1833 the "criticism" there was "why did you not deal with this when you set the date a year ago, or delegate to somebody who had time if you did not". it was about actually doing things rather than just talking about them. it was "announced" as an "irc / mumble" meeting. not everybody is rich, also, or is in a place where it's ok to speak aloud. not the point, though. >>1832 he keeps pushing because he's a nice guy, basically. the "issue" is that that pushing is going everywhere and nowhere at once.

>>1820 >things used to be comfy here and they no longer are. What is it that makes it less comfy for you? I genuinely cannot see the difference, besides the excessive amount of .jp threads and discussions.

>>1836 the things that have happened are: 1. the deletion of nice boards, with their culture-share being deleted in the process 2. the introduction of /civ/, and the swarm of people being intentionally derisive and angry and dumb that came with it 3. kalyx being stupid 4. appleman scaring away the old staff by trying to treat them as programmable robots. 5. appleman making more single-handed decisions, erasing and merging whatever as he saw fit. 6. this split thing, and the drama that's come from it with the end result being pretty unrecognisable when compared to the former state.

>>1834 Still not a valid criticism. "Why didn't you write this a year ago" doesn't change anything. It's just pushing an agenda into every topic. And this is how having voice goes. We use it because it's so much more convenient. The other option would be using text which is inferior. Again, it's the first thing we talked about, not ideal, but there's not much to be done. >>1836 It has been a bad week for comfy.

>>1839 >the deletion of nice boards, with their culture-share being deleted in the process Which boards? The only one i'm missing is /cyber/, mostly due to nostalgia. >the introduction of /civ/, and the swarm of people being intentionally derisive and angry and dumb that came with it Isn't that solved? Most /civ/-tier posts are frowned upon and even warned by moderation to get their soykaf together. >kalyx being stupid Well, he's not here anymore. Isn't that issue solved? >appleman stuff But that doesn't affect lainchan, does it? The community isn't changed by moderation in that specific context. You're talking about things that are not very tangible from the perspective of a user. If Appleman was like kalyx and we still had to deal with his soykaf (kalyx was one of the worst users of lainchan when he was in charge, you must remember that), then it would affect usability. But appleman doesn't even use his handle to post on threads unrelated to moderation. From the perspective of someone who enjoys the lainchan community, i cannot see this impact, except on /q/. All other boards are business as usual. >this split thing, and the drama that's come from it That i agree.

>>1842 >Which boards? The only one i'm missing is /cyber/, mostly due to nostalgia. Ironically https://lainchan.jp/cyb/ might be what you're looking for

>>1854 Hardly. What made /cyber/ was the community. Infinitychan also has a /cyber/ board, and they're certainly better than .jp. Both of which have no relation to lainchan.

>>1808 This is stupid and counterproductive >>1818 This is entirely a strawman when representing Appleman. >>1829 Oi, I care and this made me return to this place in order to improve things because the idea of only him having any power is wrong and was always wrong. >>1839 >deletion of nice boards Only /cyb/ and /civ/, and we got /sec/ and /cult/ instead. >/civ/ That was done by kalyx long before >appleman scaring Yeah no, that's really really not the case >drama gotta agree, it's pretty terrible.

>>1858 >Oi, I care and this made me return to this place in order to improve things because the idea of only him having any power is wrong and was always wrong. Who else does?

>>1829 >its a matter of him trying to rely on LOGIC and BUREAUCRACY because he can't intuit human emotions. So you are saying he is rational in his decisions instead of being emotional? The best thing any manager can have.

It's as if for every time someone posts in this thread saying not to be dramatic about things, one more harmful thing is done toward this community by the runaway mods at .jp. .jp has added a second affiliate to their list: lewd.sx. And I checked their affiliate link on lewd.sx; There's not .org/.jp split either, it just lists "Lainchan" and links to the .jp website. A lainon in another thread pointed out that one of the runaway mods was also a mod at lewd.sx, which may be the main reason why this happened. This once again shows that the anti-drama meme that you can't judge a mod by who he is associated with is quite ludicrous in the middle of chaotic situations like this. So go ahead, tell us all about how sage you are because you won't pick a side, while .jp continues to actively seek to harm us in ways that are more direct than what we would expect, like take away our affiliates while we still have them listed on our nav bar, and without messaging Appleman of the change, or shall I call the betrayal. That is to say, the fact that this was done without prior messaging to our mods by the Lewd staff for the sake of keeping things professional proves that this was malicious in nature, or at least leaning toward that attitude.

>>1863 Malice? Get over yourself. It's a fuarrrking image board. If their microaggressions towards us have triggered you this much, just get off the internet. What is wrong with you people.

>>1863 >A lainon in another thread pointed out that one of the runaway mods was also a mod at lewd.sx, which may be the main reason why this happened. It's disgusting to know that we all shared imageboard with these types of "people".

I'm sick of this soykaf. You kucks just keep talking about how lainchan.jp is doing all these awful things to you as if you're just completely helpless to actually improve things here. fuarrrk it. I'm jumping ship. Peace.

http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_Law_of_Triviality Oh, but do carry on..

>>1390 stop namefagging

You know you guys talking about .jp gives them far, far, far more credit than they deserve. Their technical boards have a dozen posts. They have a dozen mods. The place is a fuarrrking soykafshow. Why not focus on lainchan and its community? As previously mentioned, nothing outside of mod drama has changed. The community is the same, the quality of threads are the same (even higher, now that we don't have /civ/). Every single reason you guys gave so far for "things to be different" have to do with drama, not with content. The content is the same as it has always been, so just contribute and love Lain. Unless, of course, you have a legitimate reason to complain, then please do. But the existence of .jp is not something to be complained about, it's basically an imageboard for posting wallpapers.

>>1877 >dozens I meant as in 12, not 12 multiplied by a variable.

>>1872 >You kucks just keep talking about how lainchan.jp is doing all these awful things to you as if you're just completely helpless to actually improve things here. my loyalties are to lainchan.org, but he is right you know.

>>1435 i dont know why you are saying this, .jp is made to be closer to the anarchist ideas of the community, apparently.

>>1877 Yeah, and they've been around for days. I'm not saying "don't focus on lainchan," but post count? That's your metric?

>>1882 Not at all. their /cult/ has hundreds of posts full of wallpapers. /tech/ is full of desktops. My point is that their community does not care about what the Lainchan community cares. They might as well be called something else. The priorities are differente, the type of users are different. You cannot possibly expect to create a comfycore community based on bitterness over how fast boards are created. Thus, they are completely irrelevant for Lainchan, the only credit they have is whatever we give them.

>>1882 >I'm not saying "don't focus on lainchan," but post count? That's your metric? Are you suggesting that quality is higher? 3/4 of /tech/ posts are /g/ generals. /diy/ is empty. >Yeah, and they've been around for days. And Lainchan.org is around for how long, thanks to the that one admin on lainchan.jp?

>>1883 >Not at all. their /cult/ has hundreds of posts full of wallpapers. /tech/ is full of desktops. That is not true at all. Did you even go to those boards? I've been going to both sites every day and I have to say that even though we have more posts it seems they are doing a lot more work on it.

>>1885 >Are you suggesting that quality is higher? 3/4 of /tech/ posts are /g/ generals. /diy/ is empty. That's true. Even the .jp diy board has more activity than ours. Maybe we should merge diy and tech. If we are going to merge any two boards, I think that makes the most sense.

>>1887 I was talking about .jp, which has /g/ tier content. /diy/ here looks fairly healthy compared to theirs. There are more mods per board than actual posters.

If you like .jp, go to .jp. If you have complaints about .org, tell us in text, this is what /q/ is for. If you're thinking about babbling on how Lainchan was better 1/2/3 years ago, provide arguments that can be refuted or agreed with. "Kalyx is a soykafhead" is not an argument, he's already not a part of .org, thus this issue is solved. If you have suggestions, make them. Don't be a little bitch. Nobody likes little bitches. Attention whoring about .jp is little bitching. If you like it there, go there. If you like both, visit both. If you think they do something better, make a suggestion. If you prefer their community, nothing can be done, you can go there, nobody is forcing you to stay. How these threads haven't been purged is beyond me, you people argue like old hags. If this thread was about any other type of content it would be recognized by the low quality soykaf show it is. My problem isn't with you guys talking about .jp, it's that you don't have anything to say but you keep on typing.

>>1863 Dropping an affiliate link without informing people isn't great but there's no need to overreact. >>1877 Yep. As with most drama most of the people who've been really involved in it have been so for personal reasons, with a few spectators just there with the popcorn of course. >>1879 How so? Most people are improving things the same way they always have, making good posts. It's not like there's any big problems that need attending to. Back to enjoying the ride as always. >>1882 It's a good metric for the number/type of users and how long it's been around doesn't mitigate the low count, quite the opposite. When you make a "rebel" site like this it's rather all or nothing. You need enough of the userbase to agree that what you're doing is necessary before you do it. It's mostly a matter of content, tribalism and consensus. You need good content in order for users to want to use your site and, obviously, far and away the most important content for an imageboard is posts. Tribalism speaks for itself, people like to pick a side early and stay loyal to it. Consensus and the way it forms within a community simply acts to exacerbate the other things there. People tend to go with the flow and, while, for some things consensus cracking could be employed (and I'd be very surprised if it hadn't been tried here). It won't work for this. The post counts speak for themselves and you're trying to argue that you no longer use a site while on that site. The only thing you can do is say "I'm leaving" as often as you can and, as time goes on, it starts to ring hollower and hollower as the post count doesn't drop. As far as I can see, they managed their clique and not much beyond that (as evidenced by the mod:poster ratio). They made a massive mistake in the way they handled this by expecting the community to rally around them when the problems they had were never user facing and only affected the mods in the first place (and also just don't exist according to the remaining mods at the AGM yesterday). The lesson is that if you find yourself on a website and don't like the admin, you want to have at least 50% (preferably higher) of the community looking for a replacement site before you create one. If you don't have this and it's more of a "I think I can do it better" than "there are big obvious problems that need fixing" you're better off just starting a new, unrelated site and proving that you really can do it better. At least you don't start with a majority of your potential users have a negative opinion of you.

>>1869 >>1872 >>1881 >>1887 The damage control specialist squad has arrived from .jp. >>1894 >>1895 Just to prove the point to these two anti-drama nerds, look what happens as soon as these two make their "be nice to jay pee" posts; Rumor has it .jp was plugged on our radio stream. iLikeBiscuits runs /radio/, so he should make a statement soon confirming the rumor or not. But the statement holds true, and as both of you call for lainons here to lower our defenses, the idiots at .jp become freer and freer to do little things to us without us noticing like bringing back the lewd.sx link from under Appleman's nose, plug themselves potentially into our radio, and god forbid they do something like redirect all of our headers again. Remember, these people purposely kept the Lainchan name because they don't want their own chan, they want ours.

>>1904 actually they're not "plugged into" our radio, it's their radio right now because they were the people with full backups of the music first. biscuts is running the radio off icecast right now. it was talked about at the agm: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Esw_invMi5pfc-sv1H5rwcbUJPetp68t2uuhjAt9exs/edit

>>1910 So you're saying it's just that they ran off with our radio, and some lainons who don't know what's going on will simply not understand why there are .jp advertisements in it? And just to make sure, is the stream under our own /radio/ secure (meaning ours) right now, or not?

>>1911 From the news page, https://lainchan.org/news.html Radio is UP and pointing to iLikeBiscuits's mirror, until the configuration of the actual radio is finished. From the radio page, https://lainchan.org/radio.html This is currently pointing to the mirror at http://radio.ps3udonym.net:8080/ provided by lainon iLikeBiscuits, because of the server wipe. This mirror does not have support for radio statistics. However the same lainon is a Moderator for lainchan.jp, though there was no mention about advertisements on the radio at the annual general meeting, where iLikeBiscuits was the lainchan.jp delegate. Please let us know if you want the radio disabled instead of pointing to the mirror ?

>>1904 >look what happens as soon as these two make their "be nice to jay pee" posts Stop being a child. I do not care if you are, in fact, a child. This is not the place for you. Posting "daddy i don't like .jp" doesn't hurt them, it hurt our community. They're happily sharing their wallpapers and desktops while you're throwing a tantrum on Lainchan. Your bitch-boy tantrum only gives them legitimacy because you seem to feel that this will help you deal with your emotions. I don't give half a broken soykaf about your emotions, either you have a suggestion or you shut that fuarrrking mouth of yours. This is not fuarrrking oprah and this thread reached nowhere after days. The only thing it accomplished was to make this place less of a home for a lot of people >lower our defenses Which defenses are these, specify them. Flooding /mega/ with drama is only an attack on lainchan's community. If you want to "attack" .jp, devise a method, come with a plan and execute it. Stop bitching on lainchan, that only hurts lainchan. At the very minimum, if you're going to bitch, bitch on .jp, that way THEY will have to deal with you and then you will actually hurt them in some minimal way. This is not fuarrrking highschool and gossip doesn't hurt people, only marks them on the map.

>>1913 >Please let us know if you want the radio disabled instead of pointing to the mirror ? Do you really have to ask after the wipe from .jp admin, header redirect and lewd.sx mirror stuff? Remove it, you are dealing with it too neutrally after all that hostility. Considering that it was running for at most 5-10 people at the same time, I can achieve that by running it from my home server. If you interested, I could do that, just post some ways to contact you so we can discuss it.

>>1913 Wait, what the fuarrrk? I hadn't realized iLikeBiscuits was a part of .jp staff. This worries me now because when I listened in on the meeting, I heard he was trying to take control of /stream/ too, and you said you would talk to him about it. I know I'm just one lainon but in my opinion you should refuse his offer if you haven't already and take both of that soykaf down. They've already taken one of our affiliates, without telling us may I add, do you want them to take two other major portions of our website as well? They may be improvising this soykaf, but you know that in the end, they want to take as much from us as possible and have them entirely owned under the .jp name. Now I know iLikeBiscuits may or may not had had this intention during the meeting, with all his yawning every three seconds, even as he talked, but now I can't shake the thought that he could have just been putting up a front to take as much as he could as possible. That may be what he was told to do, do you know for sure otherwise? He was a delegate. Moreover, you have to make it known to us, or he has to make it known to us, where his affiliation lies and which website he remains loyal to, in the end. None of that "I'm in the middle" bullsoykaf either, because what worries me is that he was labeled as a .jp delegate, yet started talking using the words "we" only in his 15th line in the transcription, when he started suggesting that "we" give back-ups to a small group of staff here. Now notice that until his 15th line, he has only been criticizing Appleman and his obsession with structure and formality, and making himself seem apart from the .org community. Only when he tells you we should hand back-ups to a small group of staff members does he start to speak collectively and with the words "we". Now, also notice how he fought so much for mod transparency, on a website which he may or may not have already given up on! Could it be that if you did decide to hand back-ups to a small group of mods, he would want to know which ones it would be, and know who to ask if he needed "something"? Even if that weren't true, are you sure that every staff member we have currently will remain loyal to .org? tl;dr As stated in >>1904, the staff at .jp purposely kept the Lainchan name because they don't want their own chan, they want ours. Don't let them take more from us. Hire new people outside of the community to take care of /stream/ and /radio/, even if it takes time to do so. To me, this would make complete sense, would it not?

>>1913 Even if our community does not want drama, i think all of us agree that we should not mingle with .jp staff, not because we're at some gossip-war, but because they cannot be trusted, as proved many times over. Not having a ratio service > having a radio service from an unreliable source. This applies for any type of service. We're a very tech oriented community, as you well know. Setting up a radio isn't exactly a task from another world. All you have to do is create a github issue even, you don't even have to rely on a specific person.

>>1322 But why didn't you just "roll with it"?

>>1917 Given the way you're talking, I can guess you aren't from .jp and are a good member from here, so I'll lay it out for you nicely with this image, pic related. So who's giving them legitimacy? I'm giving them legitimacy? I have nothing to do with them. Their actions on the other hand, and in other words, them, they themselves are giving them legitimacy by their actions and their attack on us. You're twisting my words; I don't want to attack them, I want to defend us from their advances. This is about defending, not attacking. And if you really wanted this off /mega/, you would have asked Appleman to specifically and temporarily take /q/ posts off /mega/ because of all this "drama", but you didn't. I think you just don't want to face the fact that at least five of .jp's mods (I don't know what the others are doing) are trying to take what we have here. Well, it's not theirs to take.

>>1923 You did not answer any question. How, exactly, are tantrums considered "defense"? How, exactly, is gossip "defending" us? Questioning ilikebiscuit's involvement with the radio is valid. Tantrum and gossip isn't.

>>1924 What question am I not answering? If someone hits us, we defend ourselves, we don't sympathize with who hit us. You're just ignoring my arguments while yelling out the words "tantrum" and "gossip" like they're just memes. I'm not talking about memes here, I'm talking defense. Let's not be circular.

>>1925 You did not say what "defense" is, and how this threads aids this "defense", that is my issue. You have no arguments besides stating the obvious. Of course they have taken offensive action against lainchan, talking about them here will not prevent them from doing so. Giving suggestions will. This is not a suggestion thread, it's a venting thread.

>>1926 >Of course they have taken offensive action against lainchan, talking about them here will not prevent them from doing so. Giving suggestions will. Not the Lainon you are responding to, but what kind of suggestions? "Please stop destroying stuff." "Please stop misusing your power." ...?

>>1927 No, dummy. Suggestions to our administration, aka "do not use ilikebiscuit's radio system because we cannot trust him". That is a suggestion, an idea that can be acted upon that will affect reality. ".jp is like kicking dead whales down the beach!!" is not a suggestion, because it cannot be acted upon and will not change reality. We all know they suck and stating the obvious lowers only our quality of communications, we focus on emotions not on actions.

>>1928 >No, dummy. Suggestions to our administration, aka "do not use ilikebiscuit's radio system because we cannot trust him". That is a suggestion, an idea that can be acted upon that will affect reality. Thanks, that was me who posted it. My other suggestions are, that Appleman should cease any communication with old staff that ran away, revoke their accounts, privileges or whatever access in general so they can't harm us anymore. But that is also stating the obvious. We should also keep (restore) Lainzine, radio and stream, even if the old people that managed it are gone (or don't want it to continue here). At least for the first two, there are people willing to do it. I understand that you don't want it to be emotional, but some people invested their time in zine or posts here and people who destroyed their efforts for their own pleasures have names. I can't blame people for being emotional about it. There is nothing childish or harmful about it.

>>1931 I think we shouldn't rely on a person to do lainzine, radio or anything else. These are all services, why not use a repository? Assign a manager to make sure we're on track and people contribute into it. Having one person in charge of these things seems like an awful idea.

>>1932 I like the general direction of this thought. A collection of podcasts instead of a radio... a wiki instead of a periodical zine. Thinking of the zomg darma resulting from this community running a wiki makes me giddy with anticipation.

>>1932 >Assign a manager Who assigns the manager? A vote(who votes)? The staff (who is the "staff")? I think we need decisive leadership to have these things. Either by an individual or by the Appleman. But the 'AGM' was meandering and excessive, gives me little faith. I think the site will be fine anyways without a zine/radio/etc anyways.

>>1934 Calm down there hot shot. These types of questions are only answered after the decision of using the suggested format is agreed upon. Who assigns a manager? Don't know, maybe appleman, maybe we'll vote as a community. I don't think we need to know who the staff is, this isn't the government for fuarrrk sake. If i was a mod, no way in hell i'd be willing to have an identity. The reason this place is enjoyable is partly due to anonimity. Expecting a lack of anonimity from staff is absurd.

>>1936 Not to mention when mods tie themselves to identities, you get big-ballooned egos that break away from the community to form their own failing website. Sometimes I just go to their FAQ to have a good laugh at their listed names.

>>1923 >kalyx and seph only get two sentences for deleteting the site and starting .jp, respectively. >I get a whole paragraph for a 9 second audio clip I don't know what I won, but I won it.

>>1321 >>1322 >suggests .org can do what Seph wanted >does the complete opposite of what Seph wanted Can we just start over please? https://www.lainchan.org/q/res/844.html

>>2003 can =/= will. i CAN commit seppuku, i won't tho.

https://lewd.sx/t/clickbait-melancholy-should-be-ashamed-of-himself?pid=68880#pid68880 Here's Melancholy's take on the situation

>>2015 >using your admin power to reply to a locked thread so no one can criticize your response How did we ever hire this guy?

>>2045 We didn't. Afaik, they were never a mod for us. Just an affiliate.