Death of a """Poomunity"""

in case you missed it... from at least 10:50 to 12:50 GMT the lainchan.org header links were all redirected to https://lainchan.jp/q/res/3.html#3. you can read it if you want to know more about lainchan.jp. the aforementioned freenode channel #lainchan.jp has junk, seph and nildicit as ops (former administrators/moderators of lainchan).

>>1277 cant say i didnt see this coming. lains can only put up with so much bullsoykaf.

>>1278 The only bullsoykaf here is the redirect. fuarrrk lainchan.jp

>>1277 mutineers get out I am angry!

What a fail idea. I'm glad to see they're getting no traffic and nobody is taking them seriously. Starting and splitting boards according to demand is not a popular one, it annoys me somewhat too, but the answer isn't making a duplicate chan. But then again I'm only here for /sec/ and /lambda/ so the lack of other boards doesn't bother me too much.

Well, they're free to make it. It looks like a horrible car crash and i wouldn't go anywhere near it though.

>>1289 i think this site started the wreck

>>1290 If by "this site" you mean lainchan.jp, you're right.

Well, they're right about some things, but the split isn't going to work. People come here to lainchan, and it's already back on it's feet. >lost years of content it's an imageboard, things are supposed to be permanent. Or did the gitla.in get wiped too? Plus the site looks bad and it has no traffic, of course. If only they'd done something else, something new, instead of just copying the old format (badly). But who cares, it doesn't look like it's going to work.

>>1290 For whom? I've loved Lainchan for years, it's one of the few places on the internet that i feel like i belong. It went down for a couple of hours, we lost a little bit of content, but that's ok. If the userbase feels like they should switch places, that's ok too. But i'm not sure what crime was commited here, this was never an institution to begin with, there's no vision or expansion path, it's just a place that likeminded people talk about stuff. Trying to turn it into something else is just plain silly.

I'll say publicly now what I said to you in PMs Seph. Most of the community do not see the same things you do. Most of the community are very much behind Appleman. This was retarded in the extreme and you achieved nothing of value. I'd say worse, you've split the community, but, despite your best attempts, you failed at that. That said. There were some legitimate complaints. I wrote this >>1227 in another thread and said I was having trouble getting through. That has since changed (so I guess you did achieve something after all. I'd applaud you but...) and it looks like everything is getting back on track. So yeah, stay tuned, turn up for the AGM if it interests you. For the first time since the server was wiped I feel that all is well and, of course, LET'S ALL LOVE LAIN!

>>1298 >first time since the server was wiped I feel that all is well what has changed i missed it lol

>>1296 >we lost a little bit of content, but that's ok It's not ok. It shouldn't happen, especially in a board dedicated to tech. An enormous amount of content lost for the dumbest reason.

>>1303 The dumb thing was expecting imageboard content to be anything but transient. You don't put the stuff you want to keep in /tmp

>>1303 But lost it was, as long as it doesn't happen again, what's the use in complaining? Also what >>1304 said, imageboards are transient in nature.

>>1303 >It's not ok. It shouldn't happen, especially in a board dedicated to tech. An enormous amount of content lost for the dumbest reason. I hate to say it, but the best means of ensuring this doesn't happen again is to jump ship. The only staff left behind seem totally incompetent. Apparently they already have backups set up on the new site. As far as we know they still don't have them here. I know an image board isn't meant to be forever, but we lost a lot of good resources in lambda and elsewhere and I'd rather not see it happen again.

>>1277 >hey, something bad happened on this site with a really small community >I know how to fix it, lets try to split the community between two different sites I don't even.

>>1303 An imageboard is not a forum.

>>1303 >we lost a buncha PDFs That doesn't make a lot of sense, eh? You can find GBs upon GBs of PDF's, most of which is in the gentooman's library anyway. Hardly any of it was important. If this was a forum and we had people actively WORKING on tutorials, guides and events, THEN we would have lost something. But PDF dumps are hardly anything of value. Unless you meant something else?

meh im not buying any of these excuses. just because its an image board doesnt mean its ok to let your whole fuarrrking site get wiped. like seriously? how are you people making it out like this is just normal.

>>1299 Read the linked post. There was too much bureaucracy, things were taking too long and important stuff (e.g. backups) wasn't getting done. Most importantly, we couldn't get through that this was the root of the problem. That's what's changed. Of course the symptoms of this problem aren't going to be fixed overnight but, now, they will be fixed. >>1303 No, it shouldn't have happened. There were problems, but we're back on track now. >>1304 You have a point. We lost some great info here but it was always going away sometime. The lesson is to save the stuff you want locally. >>1307 >The only staff left behind seem totally incompetent. And how exactly would you know? The people who left haven't even announced their names publicly yet and most of the mods prefer not to be public figures. Unless... Oh, I see. Hi! I fuarrrking told you didn't I? Don't make this a war. Don't use the same name. Don't risk splitting the community, but you had to go and fuarrrk with the board list (Don't tell me it wasn't you again. How stupid would anyone have to be to believe that?). Yes, I'm fuarrrking mad. So mad I don't even care if I've fuarrrked up and I'm not actually replying to you. God fuarrrking damn it. If you weren't so goddamn incompetent you might have done some real damage to this community. I trusted you. I sympathised with you but that soykaf went out the goddamn window when you fuarrrked with the board list. That was low as fuarrrk. >Also barracudu, kashire and lisp (Just off the top of my head, I'm not a mod, just an interested user, and don't know the full list. Sorry to any I missed) incompetent. Kek. I'd love to see your evidence for this. Lack of backups? You were a mod then too. That's not your fault for xxx reason? Same goes for them. Alright, I made some coffee and calmed myself down (just a little, still fuarrrking mad, gimme a day or two). For gods sake. I know you thought you were acting in lain's best interests but this was senseless. Nope. I can't fuarrrking do this right now. Too fuarrrking mad. I know, in a day or two, I'm going to say that you were, no are, good lains. You run the tracker and the zine. You were active and helpful and nice and you loved lain but, right now, fuarrrk you and the horse you rode in on.

>>1323 It's not normal, but losing PDFs is hardly the problem. Kalyx having that power was the problem. The data lost is quite irrelevant.

>>1324 >And how exactly would you know? if the mods here are secret then how do you blame us for thinking its just appleman1234? hes the ony one that responds in #lainchan

>>1303 It's okay, most of it is back: >>>/r/103

The only value lainchan has is the effort its users put in it (the domain is irrelevant, whoever pays whatever for it). This site just lost all the value that was put in it, so Appleman asked for suggestion about the future. One suggestion is /r/ /lam/ and a promise of other boards that may or may not happen before May. Another suggestion is lainchan.jp, which not only suggest a complete board layout, but has already delivered. Users are pretty much free to choose which proposal they wanna go with, and add or change details about either. 'Lainchan' is where the users and their efforts end up. Will you go for good old Debian stale, but with release critical bugs, or will you go for the brave new world?

>>1329 See >>1308

>>1329 I'll go wherever the content is.

>>1330 Just ignore this one until it ends up empty! ... wait, it already is!

>>1326 There's a gulf between secret and public figure. I wasn't leaking secrets when I listed those names there and most of them do post with their tags sometimes. Sure, he's the figurehead, that's a big part of his job. It's one of the few jobs that only he can do. So, yes, he's the guy who will respond to you. No, he's not the only mod. Also, sorry if you really aren't Seph or whoever. Like I say I am really riled up over this. They have acted with such rank idiocy and threatened harm to a community I love. >>1329 >Users are pretty much free to choose which proposal they wanna go with, and add or change details about either. 'Lainchan' is where the users and their efforts end up. Yeah that would have been true if the first thing they did wasn't to change the board list and make this a fuarrrking war. Now, people don't like them and for good reason. That's hostile action right there. A good number of good lains are going to refuse to swap sites on that basis alone. Are we gonna leave them behind because they weren't willing to look past that? fuarrrk that. This was decided in the first stroke. They shot themselves in the foot with their dumb bullsoykaf. >>1331 We get to decide where the content is, we're the ones who make it after all, but, due to their dumb as fuarrrk actions, if we decide that's the other site there isn't going to be any content from the lains we leave behind. If we want to maintain unity here is the only choice. Also, the death of one of the sites (lemme guess which one) is inevitable now. 2 sites is extra unnecessary effort and people will slowly gravitate towards one until it's the one with all the content. I hate being put in a position where I have to hope that a lain project fails but that's where we are right now. This site means all the lains and unity, the other site means a good chunk of the community will just fuarrrk off somewhere else entirely. I am pretty mad right now, maybe not making a considered decision, but I'll be one of them.

I'm not sure what the point of this discussion is at all anymore. If you prefer lainchan.jp, go there. Nobody is holding you back, the same way you can go to 8chan or 4chan or anywhere else. If you have suggestions, sure, post them and discuss them, but if all you have to say is bitching, what's the point of it?

>>1335 I mean, that's the same with people who dislike it and want to stay. They are free to stay, why do they complain?

>>1335 that's a good point. i mean is bitching here really going to make .jp disappear? it seems to be gaining traction.

>>1335 >>1336 You know you're right. The point of this for me has been catharsis. I trusted Seph. I contacted her for help getting through to Appleman. I spent the time going back through my IRC buffer and copy pasting the conversations we'd had with him so that she'd know what was going on. I answered her questions and gave her well meant advice and support when she told me she didn't agree we should try to work with him and felt there was no other way but a new site. I continued even when she told me she was disregarding my advice and naming the new site lainchan. I told myself, "Hey, even if this is a really dangerous and damaging thing, she's just doing what she feels is right. " I feel betrayed by her taking what I can only interpret as a hostile action against this site. fuarrrking with the board list was low Seph. Real low. I trusted you, I went out of my way to help you and keep you informed even when I had a bunch of other soykaf on my plate and you've spat that back in my face. There's a buddhist saying, it's funny I quoted it to someone else this morning, roughly "anger is like holding on to a hot coal and expecting someone else to get burned." I should take my own advice. I'm gonna step back, go play some vidya like I was about to before this kicked off and calm the fuarrrk down. It's not doing me or anyone else any good.

Why didn't you just save the good parts? I saved all the good posts I read. A couple of anons in other threads mentioned they did too. If you didn't save - your loss. If you're new here then this is kinda the point of the image board to naturally forget some things. Still relevant stuff get bumped, the good parts get copy-pasted and documented in other places, the rest falls out. Want old treasures? Go look around the net. In the future, though, when quantum computers get built and NSA decrypts every packet sent over undersea cables from the last 100 years (before PQC got deployed) and the next Snowden leaks all of that, you'll get all that lost culture back for the taxpayers' money. You just wait. In the meantime, I visit lainchan for years and there were only a couple of threads that were mildly interesting and original that got wiped and didn't get restored yet, for which I can't find a replacement anywhere else. But I saved the good parts of those, of course. And will consider either restarting them or dumping the copy-paste somewhere else for posterity. TL;DR: chans are not social networks. The whole point of being here is to get communication that is less interactive that IRC and that won't haunt you for the rest of your life. I welcome the wipe. You don't? Fine. You are welcome to make your own social network, call it whateverchan, archive everything forever and fuarrrk off. I might lurk there, but won't post ever.

It's starting. The Great Lain War of 2017. This will be one for the history books.

Hey lains. I'm brushing up on what is happening and it seems to me like someone wants to destroy our community. Lain is a good chan because of its community. It attracts people with a good amount of technical knowledge and a low amount of brewing soykaf. >we lost them pdfs No. There are some places you can still get them. Also, chans are transient. If you want an archive do it yourself. > lainchan.jp Stupid idea. This chan is small enough as it is. If you want to make your own chan then do it, but don't steal this one's name. I try to keep the tinfoil low, but this soykaf stinks of consensus cracking (cointelinpro technique). Lets try to keep this community confy and cool. If you want to leave, leave. If you have suggestions and complaints, then let us hear them. Let's all love lain.

I would like to say that I support Lainchan. This Lainchan at lainchan.org, and I'm sure those at lainchan.jp have there reasons for creating their own imageboard, but unless there has been some atrocious misdeed here, than arguably splintering the community won't help anyone. As much as I would like to see both thrive, or all chans survive, this imageboard is the one I use. Whatever issues there are in this community, I would like to forgive and forget even you Kalyx.

This is silly. I like it here. This whole thing stinks of ugly drama more then anything else.

>>1364 They made Kalyx admin on their chan. The same one that purged lain servers.

>>1368 and made them

>>1369 So let me recap. >Kalyx sells lainchan to Appleman and takes money for it >Kalyx abuses his old admin role until he is stripped of it >He continues to tell Appleman how to run the site >Kalyx doesn't inform Appleman that hosting provider no longer makes remote backups >Kalyx lies and steals access to the server >Kalyx purges lainchan server and all lain content >He agrees to be used as some legitimacy token by people that try to steal lainchan name >They promote their site by abusing moderators power Wow.

>>1370 I guess this is new administration quality. Clearly in good hands.

>>1371 >trying this hard to pin this on appleman

>>1373 I phrased that wrong. I mean .jp administrators. They are literally behind everything they complain about and somehow claim to represent new quality.

>>1367 it is really nothing else

>>1361 Considering the embarrassing public displays of emotion I've had today, this is relieving to remember. I shouldn't have gotten angry. I did it for the same reason anyone gets angry, because I care, but that's no excuse. It feels so wonderfully righteous when you're doing it but, in hindsight, as always with anger, I've acted the fool. >>1362 Yep. I worked so hard to prevent this but here we are, and, as with most wars, best case, everybody loses. >>1363 Put your tinfoil away. I, and many others here, have known the people behind this for years. Literally 0 chance that there's any sort of real foul play here. More than that I can tell you there's no malice here either. They've done what they've done because they thought it was in the best interests of lain. Dumb to the point of being infuriating but not malicious. >>1364 This is so right it hurts. I don't want a bloody war. Let's all just not have a war. Sound good to everyone? >>1367 It is nothing but drama and (as I tried to explain to them) most lains just don't really know, or even care, about all the interpersonal difficulties behind it all but these things happen and people don't always get along. I just wish they had gone about it better. >>1370 To be perfectly fair to them. >Kalyx doesn't inform Appleman that hosting provider no longer makes remote backups Is not true. Darkengine was taking the backups. He stopped of his own accord after kalyx sold the site and, afaik, nobody was aware he'd done so.

>>1379 > I don't want a bloody war. Let's all just not have a war. Sound good to everyone? Sure kalyx. Let's not have a war. Let's nurture this awesome community in its time of need. Also.. this is a good way to weed out the normal people once more.

>>1370 The fall of lainchan.org.txt This will go to the history books