Unidentified · 2018-11-28 00:44
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violin_octet
https://nvfa.org/eight.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGZl3BN3aZo
This is obviously the superior way to arrange string orchestration.
It's been around for more than half a century, why hasn't it caught on?
I absolutely love it - It's beautiful and perfect and tickles my autism just right.
Case · 2018-11-28 05:55
As I understand it, the greater violin community incorporated the building techniques she used to make her violins, but there wasn't enough momentum to convert or create enough music to make her inventions popular
Naomi Nascimento · 2018-11-28 09:12
>>2950
Not only did it not gain momentum, somewhere it's mentioned that there was straight up hostility from many of those devoutly adherent to false ideas of tradition.
As though the old greats wouldn't have loved/preferred to write for this cohesive family of instruments.
As though the classical era is static or isn't still happening (events not being linear marks on a line, but concentric expanding balloons we always find ourselves still within).
As though the hodgepodge incoherent modern standard orchestra setup is something worth upholding and fighting for.
I posted this in hopes that more people will discover and remember it if the topic ever comes up in real life.
It might take centuries, but this will catch on and I'd like to do everything I can to help - Tell your friends, this soykaf is cool yo.
I'm gonna fuarrrkin' write me some violin music.
William Holtzer · 2018-12-09 11:27
>>2947
I don't get the need, since 4 instruments is plenty to cover the tonal range. Not only that, some group has to figure out playing techniques and such and its a big pain in the ass. Also, playing a bass tuned in fifths is like kicking dead whales down the beach unless you have gigantic hands due to all of the shifting you're forced to do.
Drifter · 2018-12-09 17:35
>>2999
Just because the notes can be played doesn't mean they come out nicely.
The natural resonance of each of these is centered between the two middle strings on each of these or something, so you can leave each one playing where it sounds best.
That a normal orchestra uses 2 violin sections (one that typically plays higher vs lower) should be an indication that something is missing.
The standard viola is too small for it"s supposed coverage and has always had various tonal problems because of this.
Most importantly maybe though, all the normal instruments come from different backgrounds/histories, are constructed different, and thus paint different unique harmonic pictures - These are all matched violins, blending cohesively one instrument to the next and reinforcing each other.
The recordings sound HUGE, even which it's just one of each of these.
Reaching on the basses is a real issue though, so they are typically tuned in 4ths like normal.
Hacker · 2018-12-12 05:29
>>2947
> why hasn't it caught on?
Because, unless you're rich (which despite the impression, classical musicians rarely are), why get an expensive, custom-made alternative violin no music has been written for, spend maybe a month or less (assuming full proficiency) getting good with it, and finding a group that is rich enough to do the same for each of the instruments -- compared with, learning and playing music that already exists right now in the world, with groups that tour X,Y,Z places.
You need the base of composition first, and maybe some people to fund it and train people in these instruments.
Zero Cool · 2018-12-12 05:31
>>3014
> compared with, learning and playing music that already exists right now in the world, with groups that tour X,Y,Z places.
I should add as well, with an instrument that you already own