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Do any of you know have good book recommendations for books that mostly talk about deep subjects? Something that would make me question a lot of stuff. Mostly, poetry recommendations.

This is probably not what you're after, but I think these are good books that make you think again about a lot of stuff. Oh, the places you'll go! by Dr Seuss. 1984 and Farenheit 451 are good too, and quite cyb. The book of rites.

>>8377 seconding 1984 and fahrenheit 451. I also strongly recommend anything by William Gibson. He's got a collection of short stories which I thought was fantastic. "burning chrome" is just one of them, there's probably a dozen others in this book. "Dogfight" and "fragments of a hologram rose" were probably my favorite.

This is the most interesting book I've ever read

Federico Buono is an Italian insurgent and ecstatic. The Nihilist Abyss is a quasi-psychological exploration of “nihilist delirium,” the total negation of personality. Buono is the closest to a mystic poet that anarchism has — “The sign does not affirm anything because it is nothingness that eradicates itself in a nihilist delirium, and the destructive chaos destabilizes the belonging and nullifies the nothingness.” Mystic deconstruction of the self peeks through when it is least expected.

this book is pretty wild mix of mysticism, geometry, deleuze, taoism, and satanism.

Part II of Howl by Alan Ginsberg: I What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination? Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks! Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men! Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments! Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb! Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smoke-stacks and antennae crown the cities! Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind! Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream Angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch! Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy! Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch! Light streaming out of the sky! Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs! skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic industries! spectral nations! invincible madhouses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs! They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pavements, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us! Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies! gone down the American river! Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole boatload of sensitive bullshit! Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions! gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! Despairs! Ten years’ animal screams and suicides! Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on the rocks of Time! Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell! They jumped off the roof! to solitude! waving! carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the street!

this one is pretty acessible if you're a bit of a fool. It's a narrative, so it's engaging. I enjoyed reading it when I was in my early 20s.

this is a level up from daniel quinn's ismael. It's a dense historical and mythological analysis of civilization. It's probably where Quinn gets a lot of his ideas. I found out about this text through kacyzinski.

for other types of deep: Latam Magical Realism: Anything by J.L. Borges Pablo Neruda's poetry 100 anos de solidão by Gabriel Garcia Marquez Cyberpunk: Before reading Gibson's Neuromancer I'd suggest first reading Acelerando by Charles Stross. This is peak cyberpunk and it'll help give context to gibson's trilogy.

>>8376 Not a big poetry guy but Goethe does go hard sometimes I think the deepest book is honestly the little prince because it's so universal in it's messaging, talking about being special and overall just how we follow non-sense from a child's view.

>>8376 >>8377 >>8378 Are you trolling me

tao te ching is deep Stephen Mitchell translation darkness in darkness

Thus Spoke Zarathustra Other Nietzsche's books as well.

>>8417 OP is clearly a fool, lets not scare him with off with the hard stuff just yet. let him get his feet wet.

>>8417 I dunno fam, the Dr. Seuss one is his darkest, most existential... at least of the ones I've read which is probably most of them. It was the last one published before he croaked too if memory serves.

>>8417 Why? What's wrong with Fahrenheit? I mean, Orwell, Bradberry, Kafka, Huxley, Golding and Gibson, by all all standards, are in general pretty entry-level writers for anyone just beginning in their "le deep literature rabbit hole" explorations, so nothing categorically wrong with Fahrenheit, tbqh. But it would be pretty interesting to hear what you'd recommend, so what's would you suggest him reading then, as far as "profoundity" goes? >>8379 I do pity you.... >>8376 If you're looking for spirituality, then try David Lindsay's Voyage to Arcturus or his The Haunted Woman. Another recommendation would be Mike Hockney's The Armageddon Conspiracy, but perhaps that would be "too much" for a beginner. Hope this helps.

>>8376 Suicide Note by Mitchell Heisman Mitchell wrote this 1900 page book, published it online, then shot himself in front of a tour group on the steps of Memorial Church at Cambridge. I am not sure how "deep" it is but Mitchell was a smart guy and seems to have a lot to say.

>>8420 i'll second the tao te ching and raise you a chuang tza! also: what is darkness in darkness? >>8435 hard as in tough, difficult, or rigid? i'm stopping out at the dr.seuss bullshit. i need to process and readjust the index pointer.

>>8438 lovely post though. i broke out laughing a few times reading it. real talk >>8395

>>8444 the only way to drown in poetry is if it stops

This is short and interesting https://deoxy.org/evasion/toc.htm

>>8500 Jesus Christ, should have just written "bye" and shot himself in private. What an arrogant windbag. Good riddance imo

These are essentials as far as deep politics and historical literature. Might get yer noggin joggin'.

>>8506 The first one was meant to be this, my bad.

I would second Against His-story, Against Leviathan by Perlman, especially if you are interested in politics, how political systems work as implemented or the functioning of civilization. Its pretty trippy if you haven't read anything like it before and is very engrossing. I read it for the first time alongside a book called Pax Romana by Adrian Goldsworthy which is a slow paced but very approachable book about how the Roman Empire actually worked as a holistic organism and it was fascinating going between the two and seeing clear cut real examples of Perlmans semi metaphorical Zeks and Lugals in historical analysis of the functioning of the Roman state and economy. I would also recommend Ideology and Crime by Leon Radzinowicz which is a very short entry level introduction to the macro level decision making behind the Criminal Justice system and its evolution over time. Lastly, if you haven't already you should take the time to actually read the myths and classics, especially the Greek ones. They get referenced constantly all over the place and most of the references will fly over your head if you haven't read the sources, the ones that you do get will be robbed of their impact because you won't get the full meaning. Some of them give a great insight into how weird and different the ancient world really was and communicate how alien other people can be better than anything that was made specifically to talk about cultural relativism, they're also well worth reading purely for their entertainment value

>>8376 Have you tried Infinite Jest?

fuarrrking slave! Get your ass back here and read this! https://m.webnovel.com/book/deep-dark-fantasy_17189227405798805

Labyrinths, by Jorge Luis Borges, is his most famous short story collection and IIRC most editions feature his poetry as well. I read it from a teacher's recommendation in high school and it severely influenced my career path and world view. The Gods Themselves, by Isaac Asimov is a very interesting view on alien life and tells a beautiful story. Asimov himself said it was his favorite thing he ever wrote, and he only wrote it because a fan or critic said his stories didn't feature enough sex. The Pali Canon is the most profound piece of literature I've ever read, and reading it is what turned me Buddhist. I always had a hard time believing in religion, but the Pali Canon just clicked for me. It presented a view on reality that just straight up made sense. It's hard for me to even call it a religion, since I don't have the same "faith" in it that I think most Christians have with God. The Dharma just makes sense and because of that I trust it.

>>8400 The Problem Of The Puer Aeternus fuarrrked me up.

>>8376 >>8376 Poetry I would recommend Fleur du mal (flowers of evil) Lovers of whores don’t care, happy, calm and replete: But my arms are incomplete, grasping the empty air. Thanks to stars, incomparable ones, that blaze in the depths of the skies, all my destroyed eyes see, are the memories of suns. I look, in vain, for beginning and end of the heavens’ slow revolve: Under an unknown eye of fire, I ascend feeling my wings dissolve. And, scorched by desire for the beautiful, I will not know the bliss, of giving my name to that abyss, that knows my tomb and funeral. Göthe also wrote deep poetry >>8438 most of his writing was thinly veiled sociopolitical or philosophical musings expressed as whimsical children stories

>Mostly, poetry recommendations. Lol, lmao even. Post a single poem that is so deep that it would make you question a lot of stuff.

Existential Physics, As Nature Made Him, Gödel's Proof, Hellstorm, Tavistock Institute, Did Six Million Really Die, The 33 Strategies of War. >>8376 >deep subjects You meant "subjects in depth"? I mean, lots of subjects can become deep if you dive in enough. >Mostly, poetry I'm sorry but I will have to go with >>9074. But hey, why not take a look at Christina Rossetti's poetry? --Song-- When I am dead, my dearest, Sing no sad songs for me; Plant thou no roses at my head, Nor shady cypress tree: Be the green grass above me With showers and dewdrops wet: And if thou wilt, remember, And if thou wilt, forget. I shall not see the shadows, I shall not feel the rain; I shall not hear the nightingale Sing on as if in pain: And dreaming through the twilight That doth not rise nor set, Haply I may remember, And haply may forget.

yi wons stuff is really good imo, especially his poem "I click, therefore I am". https://www.poetryinternational.com/en/poets-poems/poems/poem/103-22157_I-CLICK-THEREFORE-I-AM

>>8376 1. The trial and death of Socrates 2. Meno, Protagoras, Symposium, other early dialogues 3. Republic 4. Theaetetus, Sophist, Statesman 5. The rest From there, you can read later western philosophy+poli-sci. (Leviathan, City of God, Hume, Kant, etc...) Also, read the entire old testament and new testament in order. Then read a sampling of the old church father's. Be sure to do this after reading Plato, so you can argue with yourself about connections (or lack thereof).

>>9456 Ah I read the BIP at a somewhat youg age, well, young enough to leave an impression on me. It made me question whatever I though I'd know and never really express myself in terms of settled judgements or truths. This may sound nice to some, but it has seriously cripled my ability to discuss things with other people because most people say stuff with complete confidence in the truth of what they are expressing, and because I am always woefully aware of large gaps in my knowledge of things, I always end up having to accept that the person basically "knows" stuff because they are so confident in their position while I always know there may be some information I am lacking which could undermine my position, or that I may just not be talking objectivy because of underlying psychological preferences that colour my views on a subject. I try to be aware of my own biases while others speak from a position of confidence, which I am generly unable to put into question by that very confidence that they "know" something. Even though I realize that what they "know" they have taken from some lame ass youtube video, I know what I "know" was equally taken from limited sources and that people are so fixed in their worldview that it generally makes no sense to argue with it because it ultimately ends up in the rock bottom of beliefs and assumptions that people are not willing to reconsider (myself included, it can take me a while for me to question some basic assumptions that I've long held, or which are central to my worldview). tl;dr BIP pretty much cast me in an epistemological void.

>>9459 You may get some mileage out of Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson and their work on "reality tunnels".

I don't have poetry recommendations.

I'm reading Dostoievski's 'Crime and Punishment' right now. It has neo-noir vibes which predate cyberpunk, and I find it cozy for some reason.

>>8500 from what i've heard this is filled with racism, nihilism, amateur writing, a narrow-minded view on the world, taking biblical events as fax, and other stuff that sound like they came out of the mind of a terminally online 4channer

>>8500 A 1900 page suicide note, that reminds of a poem by Amiri Baraka. Preface to a Twenty Volume Suicide Note (1961)

>>9068 Baudelaire, the edgy boy... Seconded.

>>9459 same. the black iron prison has opened my eyes considerably but it has also left me deeply frustrated with the ways everyone around me is so tragically ignorant. and I don't want to be an elitist jerk about it, because i know there's something they're more skilled in than me, and something i can learn from them. ideally, you can steer clear from people who give you these feelings before they start to mean anything to you, emotionally, and find friends who value having a head on their shoulders instead of becoming submissive to the many charlatans in the word

"Deep" subjects? That could really be anything above a certain academic level couldn't it? This book will really make you question some of your basic unexamined assumptions about morality and how society functions.

>>9459 >>9872 Wait, what? I know, I mean, I figure there are a lot of people who mistake a sense of certainty for actual correct knowledge, because I regularly run into people who seem to be doing just that. But is it really that rare to be aware of biases and unknown unknowns and . . . Well, sh​it, maybe it is, but at the same time, it strikes me as the mindset of any legitimately reasonable person (as opposed to masturdebators). I guess I'm just surprised that there could be more to it than "intellectually honest people remain aware that they can be wrong about things". I haven't actually looked up the book yet so I'll see about it now.

>>8376 These two are pretty deep >>10384.

Top Five Regrets of the Dying Five Modes of Scepticism, Sextus Empiricus and the Agrippan Modes On Bullshit - Frankfurt

>>9874 Debt by Graeber is so good. It really makes you realize how the ancap narrative about hard money is kinda nonsense because for practical purposes the line between harder (metal) and softer (fiat) money is soft and extremely vibes based.

>>8438 Oh the places you'll go always felt like something more than just a regular children's book, even when I was a child. Tough to pin down but it was like a promise about what the world and life really was, and I got the sense of someone trying to tell me something in the simplified way I could understand, but wouldn't fully get until later. A similar thing was the song puff the magic dragon, which made me cry without understanding why.