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Any Nick Land acolytes out there? The uninitiated may start here: https://www.are.na/block/87215

>The worse Moldbug thread

>Feudalism is better than what we have now Watch out that you don't cut yourself, bud

>>5053 I like this guy's writing, he's actually articulate. Time is accelerating and people are crowding all spaces both physical and digital while moving too fast for everyone else to adjust. All temporal and geographical borders have collapsed so now all movements are in function of a slow war of erosion. Our society went back to a primitive Darwinian model but people are too evolved/afraid to directly overpower others so we've all become a society of parasites. The idea of forming groups implied the opposition with a distinct other entity, now all entities are too massive to fight so we do all our fighting internally. It's literally about sucking each other's blood until one of the two collapses.

>>5060 >we've all become a society of parasites This is a good way of putting it, because it raises a very important point: if we are the parasites than what is the host? Find the answer to that question and you'll understand the true horror of our present situation.

>>5055 >>5057 >hasn't actually read Land besides his Twitter

Seems he may be joining us soon

>>5180 is this nick land's twitter? i thought he was based turns out he's just cringe

>>5182 Well, he has a twitter, what did you expect.

Went down this rabbit hole almost a year ago. His work, especially early stuff, is quite good. It would sound groundbreaking at first, but after reading people like Deleuze, Burroughs, and Wiener one should come to similar things naturally. Most or all of his stuff his worth reading (what else is there to do?) Really interesting how he appears at surface level to support the kind of decentralized chaos that his writing evokes, but later has been much for a neofeudal nRX like structure. Still not sure exactly where I lie. >>5060 >>5061 Yeah this is like the good way to put part of his "diagnoses". Positive feedback rules our world, as it does the world of viruses (parasites). Feedback generally, through the interactions of opposed groups, is a great way to obtain information about a system, and use it "for" the system. >>5182 His twitter is 50% stuff like this, 45% racism, and 5% interesting stuff. Half joking of course. >>5061

>the PRC is a better society than those in the west because they treat human beings like cattle and this is necessary to make a world of super cyborg men which will somehow be better than our current world also in the meantime people should be serfs again under techno-CEOs B-BUT DA SJWS Land was the edgiest cunt in his youth but he never developed his thought from there and so remains an edgy cunt who will only ever be followed by internet losers with no friends who think adhering to a ridiculous worldview gives them character.

>>5053 >People actually like Nick Land read real philosophy please. The only thing good about Fanged Noumena is the cover art which to Land's credit is pretty cool looking.

So is Land's larping as a raw meat eating conservative for l/acc or did the brainrot hit

>>5361 Assuredly the stimulants finally getting to his head

>>5256 >Wiener Which Wiener do you mean?

>>5269 Yes, DA SJWs Who do you think the technocrats of the West are, and what do you think they have been pushing? The political left are not proficient at anything any more because of this 'DA SJWs' problem, and it's by no means an accident. It undoes the political right simultaneously too because they need a competitive duality to force them to produce work of any worth. The Chinese system barely has to do anything to game us after that.

>>5061 >Find the answer to that question and you'll understand the true horror of our present situation. What do you think the host is? Is it also us? Is it God? The void? what is it?

>https://www.are.na/block/87215 I'm not complaining but what did I just read?

>>6253 >What do you think the host is? Is it also us? Is it God? The void? what is it? it is capital

This interview changed a lot, for the better, my perception of Land's own intentions and proper prescriptions: https://youtu.be/FgEqQujsNTY While he does believe, and often seem even enthusiastic about, the inhuman face of capital, what he prescribes is that there's an inevitability in it which makes not only futile, but actually more harmful to resist its acceleration and dehumanization. However, he makes pretty clear here that the human quest for self-preservation is paramount, only adding that we have been mistaken for centuries by trying to achieve it by escaping the telos of the capital, since, as he very well put it, escape itself is a cybernetic function embedded to capital itself.

>Take your bike and navigate on top of the largest hill in your area, take your preferred stimulant and start peddling until peddling becomes pointless, ignore your brakes. Speed is the greatest art within the modern age, it presents a new glamour which is distinct and separate from the many artistic endeavors completed with far greater grandiosity and glory by our distant ancestors. Speed represents all we are that they were not, the great civilizations like Rome stood as slumbering giants building upon the past, We instead burn the past and smash the statues of bygone conquerors accelerating our vehicle we call man towards the inevitable crash when the brick wall of reality is arranged in front of us. We now find ourselves in a situation where the past itself provides us little comfort nor do the beautiful rays of its brighter age shine through into the modern condition, so then we should be artists of speed and enjoy the ride for it no longer matters whether we are to crash, our car is already bruised.

>>6259 > vehicle we call man towards the inevitable crash Is this your quote? Land afaik studied a lot of Deleuze and he built his understanding of acceleration on that. Deleuze understood that there's no 'crash' coming that's going to save us from what's coming. Capital folds calamity into itself, what we're seeing now can in theory extend forever. Figures some dude who approaches acceleration from some retard nazi perspective wouldn't get this tho. There's some poignant right wing ways to understand Land and D&G but basically pretending that we're hurtling towards some sort of crash is totally misguided, and you're preparing for a calamity that will never come.

>>6260 >Is this your quote? If writing something down once is a quote, yes. >Land afaik studied a lot of Deleuze and he built his understanding of acceleration on that. Deleuze understood that there's no 'crash' coming that's going to save us from what's coming. Capital folds calamity into itself, what we're seeing now can in theory extend forever. Even you are forced to admit that it can “In theory” extend forever, you can certainly in theory run your bike down an endless hill never making a mistake and never slipping and your momentum will eternally accelerate; but only a fool would think man to be that competent. The current system is built upon eternal growth without taking into account the failures of eternal and continuous growth, we may be able to produce more every year and watch our capital rates increase but were you to consider the cyclical view on history also found within Lands works you would see this as nothing but a repetition of prior events and prior civilizations. The ouroboros which is our current system of capital will inevitably consume itself in the greed for the generation of further capital. >Figures some dude who approaches acceleration from some retard nazi perspective wouldn't get this tho. There's some poignant right wing ways to understand Land and D&G but basically pretending that we're hurtling towards some sort of crash is totally misguided, and you're preparing for a calamity that will never come. Nazi? Sure, I appreciate them as a luciferian manifest of will. Right wing? The right or those who claim themselves so are stagnant and weak men who hold onto scraps of what was, they stand at the ruins of an ancient cathedral and yell loudly at the pickaxe man to stop smashing the already ruined statues - but each time he swings the right winger does nothing for he is all talk. He holds onto nothing of value and creates value from the act of holding on itself. I don’t pretend we are hurling rapidly at some “crash” and such an understanding of my post is ridiculous, I was talking about the cultural and artistic manifestations and changes from the slow pace of the past to the rapid acceleration of today, and the change in what is “beautiful” and of artistic value. The societal commentary was more reflective of the overall ethos upon which we now find ourselves in which the past is no longer the land of myths where we look to for inspiration and instead the future formulates our “gods”. The crash mentioned was a parallel to the nihilistic drive within the act itself and the actions of a modern artist/philosopher, his will to die for a thrill - in comparison to those of the past. The likelihood is that you as a figure will crash against the figurative wall in the pursuit of ideals within the modern condition and find yourself damaged. >will there be a societal collapse? Although my post wasn’t about this you seemed quite intent upon it so I shall share my viewpoint: yes, one is inevitable. But when? It could be hundreds of years, maybe thousands, but there will be a time man crashes into the wall of his capability or destroys himself until he is no longer considerably human. The “crash” will come when man sets a carpet for the prophets and fulfills the conditions necessary for its existence; although that could take a variable eternity.

>>5053 >>6255 He writes in an overly complicated and wordy style I usually dislike, but manages to make it flow. I reads like a fever-dream. I don't see the appeal, but also want to learn more.

>>62a60 Land does not claim that there is no crash coming, rather he seems to argue towards the opposite (in recent interviews). This however this has changed through time, not much talk about axsys anymore, no more Marx. >>5354 >>5053 Capitalism is something which integrates points of failures (into the system). Becoming a simulacrum without the original meaning, reduced to a point without any harm, controlled self criticism. How do you change the political system, through ideologies if they are reduced (and optimized) into a commodity. It has left the real, hyper-categorized. The meaning substituted, a map of the map. Capitalism needs its subsystems (resources, territory, a constant (technological) increase of acceleration (in order to produce)). Target the pillars carrying the weight of the temple, damage them, and it will collapse. As i interpret the Left Accelerationism, it is accelerating Capitalism in such a speed that it cannot replace the broken pillars, temple collapsing, leaving a blank slate, now outside the system. More generally just realizing its inevitable collapse and and accelerating the damaging of Capitalism moving towards it. Right Accelerationism seems to endorse its euphoria, surfing on the edge of the high tech, bleeding edge, left disappointed and haunted by the the lost future of 90s futurism. They see the current collapse and instability of liberal democracy, desiring in a way (what they see) as the inevitable future Neo-totalitarianism, Techno-fascism and Control. Personally i am more familiar with the works CCRU, so read up the books, and decide for yourself. There is a lot of tactical hyperstitional propaganda being used in the wired, easy to get hooked on planted ideas. Baudrillard, Mark Fisher, Guy Debord are all necessary towards understanding Capitalism and not getting stuck in a Landian nunnle. Seems a lot of people don't understand that a lot of his works are theory fiction, and take a lot literally. Some of his work is so incredibly beautiful, and poetic, one should try read the books and articles without any political perspective.

Nick Land makes fun political fiction. It's funny how he went from marxist to superfascist over one bad trip.

https://vimeo.com/236996816 The infamous” What is accelerating?” interview

Liking Land is a must if you want to be a funny guy who makes funny references to literature.

>>6280 Or accelerationism in general.

>>5182 how do you mean cringe

>>6526 Is this shopped???

>>5053 >The uninitiated may start here: https://www.are.na/block/87215 Are shortish essays like this best read digitally, or should they be printed out and read on paper? (If the latter, what is best to do with the paper? A bookshelf of printed essays doesn't really make sense; maybe a file/folder?)

>>6576 Land is a time traveler from the future so of course you need to read him on your laptop Collected early writings: google Fanged noumena PDF (lainchan wont let me link for some retarded reason) Bitcoin book https://etscrivner.github.io/cryptocurrent/ Blog archive https://github.com/cyborg-nomade/reignition

>>6533 https://twitter.com/Outsideness/status/493633865605320704

>>6594 What an absolute Chad. This man with the dry Anglo wit.

*clears throat* There once was a man named Nick Land Whose pic was a heart in a hand But the Twitter mods said It was fit to offend So they forced him to change it, god damn

https://zerophilosophy.substack.com/p/crypto-current Nick Land is republishing (and maybe working on(!?)) his Bitcoin book?

if anyone wants a whole load of more recent lectures by land (it's actually quite good): https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPs4TRYh1Unq8xFETda6BHxbQeps-uTtO

>>6958 These pussies at the New Centre have since cancelled Nick for being racist or something