Anarchist zine/bookfair/meetup general

Went to an anarchist bookfair recently and got these, I also found these two websites that are archiving anarchist zines. http://azinelibrary.org https://www.sproutdistro.com/ Aftter searching I wasn't abel to find some of the other zines I saw at the bookfair on these sites. Which got me thinking are some zines just lost in time? Are there any other anarchist zine archivist resources? do you lainarchists participate in any public literature events?

>>2587 http://azinelibrary.org/approved/transcending-anatomy-1-guide-bodies-and-sexuality-partners-trans-people-1.pdf some top-soykaf on this website. “I was afraid that they would always want to wear a strap-on, that they didn't want me to touch their body, that they would want to keep some of their clothes on. Turned out that all of my assumptions were wrong.” Real anarchists are all about individualism, they print guns and sit on vast hordes of bitcoin. As far as I can see 100% of left anarchists are complicit in the state because they are complicit in the academy, in media and in politics.

>>Which got me thinking are some zines just lost in time? Most zines are lost in time, like beers down the drain. Time to cry. >>2588 >Real anarchists are all about individualism, They're about individualism too, but they are more about the individual freedom to be collective glitterboys and all that soykaf. I wouldn't say that they are complicit, but they aren't gonna change anything with their ivory tower bitching either. >[left anarchists are invested] in media and in politics. I don't see this. The academia part I can see, but the anarchist part of the left has basically no presence in real politics, and besides tiny zines with limited circulation don't have any real part in political discourse. I guess you could count the fad anarch movements like WTO, Anti-fa and occupy, but they certainly never got adopted by the mainstream. >Bitcoin >not gold, drugs, ammo, and sundries Don't fall for the bitcoin meme, it's all pumped and dumped anyways, and the value can easily crash because of all the market manipulation or because of software/hardware hijinks. Generally one should use crypto as fungible liquid assets only when necessary.

>>2588 >"Real anarchists" wew Individualism vs collectivism has always struck me as oversimplification. Isn't there a really big crossover between the two? How can you define an act as "individualist" or "collectivist", most things are in a sort of grey area in between. I'm all down for printing guns, but I'd prefer not have to use any money rather than wasting time with bitcoin. Not gonna help you post-cataclysm. Killing your boss is much more effective than hoarding crypto. Either way, the revolution/insurrection/rapture is not gonna happen any time soon. Any anarchism defined by its relation to existing left right political groups will be insufficient for destroying those systems.

>>2588 There's no such thing as a non-left anarchist. Ayncaps are not anarchists, because anarchism is literally anti-hierarchy, while capitalism is inherently hierarchical. Individualist anarchists exist, but they are left-wing. Apolitical anarchism is an oxymoron, which is why I don't identify myself as one, even though I would rather live in a hierarchy-free world.

>>2587 >do you lainarchists participate in any public literature events? I take care of an anarchist library where people can come and borrow books for free, we also give away free stuff like zines or old magazines. >A child's guide to nihilism Saw this one on Little Black Cart website but I'm too greedy to buy it, is there a pdf version online?

>>2588 Op here Pic related Number one printed guns are soykaf and wont last (yes I have all the files) If you want untraceable firearms buy a old drillpress (like 200$)And then you can make a huge selection of 80% lowers. fuarrrk you can make a ar15 lower and swap the upper with an ar50 kit and have a 50 cal gun.Also if you mention codys "ghost gunner" gtfo, its overpriced and additional features like engraving are sold by third parties for a price. I've also heard rumer that you cant even get the source code (but i have no evidence for this) number two the anarchist mentality is diy you should be able to obtain info whether you're in academia or not (especially in todays wired) and I think it's too all encompasing to say anarchist are "complicit in the academy", I know I sure as hell wasn't. >>2591 This man speaks the truth Ancaps,anfash,anchritian, anmonarchist are all oxy(morons) who dont understand etymology >>2587 is it anywhere in new england? I would love to stop by. Also Im not sure if theres a pdf I dont have a book scanner but I can attempt to make a pdf.

>>2594 >is it anywhere in new england? Unfortunately no, it's in Europe. >I can attempt to make a pdf. That would be great OP, no pressure tho. Did you finish reading one of the zines in your pic by the way? If so, what do you think of it?

https://anarplex.net/

>>2594 >Small arms >Not making your own artillery I shig dig anarcomrade. But seriously, high strength polymer printed lowers work fine. If all anyone wanted to make was lowers plastic printing would cut it. The problem is in making any of the other parts without a 3+ axis CNC, laser cutter, and a heavy duty lathe. Sure you can buy kits, but that kind of defeats the purpose.

Op again >>2606 This is true, I guess I was asuming they were gonna build it with like a rep rap. I just looked at the prices for high strength polymer 3d printers and they seem to be in the thousands range. Is there any benifit to strong polymer lowers At that price point over an aluminum lower? Can you build a high strength polymer 3d printer cheaper? Self taught with this stuff but endgoals would be something like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPE3Qr-ECtQ Plan to buy 1 motor at a time adding axises as I get more monopoly money. Also wanna make another backyard forge (probably electric). With that setup I hope one day I can input aluminum output lotsa lowers (trans milita?). Also would love a laser or plasma cutter (maybe I could make an attachment for the cnc machine? Idk thats super long term) a lathe would be nice too.

>>2606 >MODERN MACHINING TOOLS REQUIRED nonsense how do you suppose the gunsmiths in the civil war and in prior times made their weapons? A gun is little more than a tube and some kind of ingition mechanism with a handle. just break it down to its first principles and work with what you have on hand, no need to complicate things with modern technology. Muskets and cap and ball revolvers are still just as deadly as they were hundreds of years ago, but now they are even less expected and can benefit from better powder quality and ammo materials selection.

>>2608 Powerfull =/= accurate ll fast || reliable At minimum you would need a hydrolic press to backwoods bore the rifeling so you have a chance of hitting your target within 200m if that. >in b4 anarchoprimivitism. If you wanna take a bubba gun to the revolution or to kill a pig you do you. Ima take my ghost akm, and ghost glock. When did this become a /k/ thread? Also why dosen't lainchan have a /k/ board in the first place?

> no dat archives son I am disappoint

>>2610 How reliable do you want your tube to be? Who needs rifling? Just pack a plastic or wood shell full of rocks and glass and stick it in a thick steel tube with some flint and steel at the end and you have yourself a blunderbuss. Choke the barrel a bit if you want tighter groupings, and swap the flint and steel for a homemade electric igniter, say a repurposed sparkplug and coilpack, and you have yourself a perfectly servicable gun, no fancy smancy engineering required.

>>2608 Yeah, let me just go bang out a forged iron barrel for a toploading smoothbore musket with a maximum effective range of 30m, that will surely be a useful thing now that the average mass market machined rifle can hit targets at 1500m out, doesn't weigh 20 lbs, and can fire more than one shot before I have to stand still for a minute or two to reload it. >>2607 >Is there any benifit to strong polymer lowers At that price point over an aluminum lower? Can you build a high strength polymer 3d printer cheaper? There's not much benefit in polymer by itself, I was more mentioning it because it's possible to do without much fuss if you do have a decent printer which plenty of DIYers do these days. If you don't, aluminum is fine, but it's time consuming to do it by hand to specs. >Self taught with this stuff but endgoals would be something like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPE3Qr-ECtQ soykaf that's nifty anon. Looks like a fun project.

>>2616 I know right, its also running linuxcnc and I think the cad files are on the website link in the description. Been teaching myself g&m code so I can do as little as possible by hand.

>>2615 If you want a zero-technical-skills firearm for serious use, make yourself a damn pipe shotgun, don't fuarrrk around with blackpowder and kludge technologies that are wildly obsolete. You can make a slamfire shotgun out of $30 of soykaf from home depot, and insurgencies have been fought with those. Look up the Four Winds shotgun.

>>2621 Now that is what I am talking about! Just grab some trash, make a weapon and show up. That seems to be all there is to it. The rest is up to determiantion, planning, timing, and a bit of chance. Like someone fighting an anarchist revolution is going to have ready access to 3d printers and electricity! BAH humbug.

>>2591 You do know hierarchy is naturally forming? Right? Even a certain strain of the same virus could be more effective if its genetic information was more beneficial to its propagation than another strain. You can't remove hierarchy, you can only pretend it doesn't exist inside your head-space. The problem with that is? Your head-space doesn't keep you safe from the aggressive agency of others.

>>2594 >who dont understand etymology Nor do you, apparently. Root =/= semantics Literally: >What is semantic drift?

>>2624 >You do know hierarchy is naturally forming? Yes. But so is suffering, vice, injustice, and all other things humans generally dislike and avoid. Should everyone give up on stopping them as well because they are 'naturally forming'? >You can't remove hierarchy Why not? Because it's natural? Humans are pretty good at removing natural hindrances when they set their minds to it.

>>2626 >Should everyone give up on stopping them as well because they are 'naturally forming'? No, but you should be a realist and understand the extent to which they can be mitigated. Removing them entirely is highly improbable. Also, there is a difference between genetic advantage and human constructs, like "suffering". >Why not? Because it's natural? Because evolutionary advantage is seemingly built in to all biological systems, even viruses. And yet we don't know whether to classify them as "alive" or not. You would have to remove any chance of mutation in not only terrestrial lifeforms, but also whatever possible extraterrestrial life we may (or may not) meet. That is so into probable, you might as well call it impossible. Again, for clarification, I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T TRY, but rather than you should UNDERSTAND THE LIMIT.

>>2627 Not him but... >No, but you should be a realist and understand the extent to which they can be mitigated. Removing them entirely is highly improbable. Most real world solutions don't remove anything entirely. The real question is can these things be mitigated to the extent which we approach a level that is acceptably close to removal. >Also, there is a difference between genetic advantage and human constructs, like "suffering". I'd disagree, while suffering as conceived of by people may be a construct, suffering-like subjective states are in fact is an essential component of higher complexity ""goal oriented"" systems. It's difficult to see how complex organisms and systems could properly react and regulate themselves if they didn't have some sense of undesirable states and a "desire" to change. Sure it is a far cry from the robustness of genetic competition, but it certainly presents in enough living systems to be considered a reasonably robust feature of higher systems. >Because evolutionary advantage is seemingly built in to all biological systems, >You would have to remove any chance of mutation >That is so into probable, you might as well call it impossible I don't think that anon intends to suggest it's reasonable to remove differences in biological individuals and their capacity, but rather to remove hierarchies in our social interactions. While social hierarchies do form in response to people's capacities, it often doesn't form perfectly so. Given that we know that such hierarchies don't always conform to the suitability of individuals, it suggests we may be able to further engineer social systems which confound and prevent certain types of social hierarchies from forming.

>>2590 the revolution/insurrection/rapture is not gonna happen any time soon the revolution... is cancelled. instead we'll have a discotheque! that is to say, the revolution won't bring rupture, some might not even notice it happened. how it's probably going down is libertarian entrepreneurs will make businesses that compete with the government in the various industries that the government participates in. for each person, for each service they get from the government, if they see a private company providing the service better, they will like to switch--and will switch provided the cost of that service is less than the value added by that service. if all services a person receives from the government are better served privately, that person will certainly prefer to switch to the private servers. if enough people see private servers outperforming the government in the provision of all their needs, and they see that there are enough such people, they will stop paying taxes and switch to their preferred private servers. the government will have to either change their business model from forced extraction of revenue (taxes) to payment per service at what will become a competitive rate, or try to rely on the tax revenue extracted from those who are left and will likely be leaving soon. though, if the government is smart, they will be on the forefront of the transition--they will cooperate in the planning of the initial state of the free market (all services the government provided will be offered by multiple competing companies), and aid in transitioning their customers from the governmental organizations to the new private alternatives. some governments are already doing some of this sort of cooperative transitioning.

This book by Leguin is about a post-post-apocalyptic anarcho-communist society in what is today Napa Valley California. It is heavily influenced by her father's own ethnographies on the Native American's living there during the early 20th century. Great depiction of how an anarchist society could look in a non post-scarcity scenario

>>2643 > post-post-apocalyptic ...a subgenre I wish was bigger than it is. I read that book once.

>>2644 I have read about half of it and enjoyed it so far. Still need to read "The Dispossessed" as well. But I really enjoy the anthropological approach in Always coming home. Leguin even went as far as making music for the society. First editions came with a CD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONrJIDGxHjk

if you define yourself "anti-establishment". You ARE defining defining yourself from the "establishment" and therefore you are an extensions of the "establishment". there is nothing of value in those zines put them in the trash.

>>2587 >Went to an anarchist bookfair recently those are fun to get kicked out of :D

>>2654 I saw a band get kicked out of an animal rights gig once for making a joke about the bagpipes sounding like a dying animal. This was the 80's, mind you.

ITT: People who still have the taste of boot in their mouths. Obviously https://theanarchistlibrary.org is a great place to start. There's an archived copy from 2016 on postman as well. I've been trying to start a reading group locally but everyone in this town is a fuarrrken ML. anarchyplanet is trying to get on going on IRC, people should join.

>>2671 > People who still have the taste of boot in their mouths. ...and it would be less depressing if they didn't enjoy the taste so much.

I dont know if you all have ever encountered it but there is also http://zinearchive.host which I've found to be a pretty great resource.

>>2672 >>2671 >boot in their mouth >less depressing >2015+3 these NPCs need their cringe dialogue updated

Anarchist pamphlets are typically worth less than the paper they're printed on.

>>2587 I never really heard a well answer from anarchists how they think they could compete with old world tribal structures as practized by the thirdworlders they cherish as their brothers in chains. Folk Sharia, the pashtunwali the ways of caucasus people and albanians all of them are intolerably hierarchical for the low fertility citydwellers that make up most anarchit circles yet they prosper when the state collapses and vanquish opposition

>>2687 I think that the reality is that they follow more of an idea of moldbuggian-patchwork. They wouldn't 'compete' they would just try to stay isolated, and people who want to live in a hierarchical tribal structure are free to do so away from them, etc etc. They see it almost like a patchwork of intentional communities in the wake of a state collapsing. Think like the original post-revolution state of russia with the different Soviet communes before they were all consolidated. You had people spread all over who were starting to create self governing units of community, etc etc. Similar things went down in certain parts of spain or france in earlier history. Now the longevity of such a state of being/organization is anyones guess.

>>2688 A moldbuggian cluster implies they can keep the peace. That only works if there are no crass differences in demographic expansion and the “old ones“ are fine with not taking places of good income by force. Furthermore after sufficient growth a tribe if not held up by internal bloodfeuds returns to being a protostate as can be seen with modern chechnya thats basically a tribal kingdom somehow having adapted into the frame of modernity.

>>2690 I'm trying to tell your their POV in a succinct way, not saying I agree. I don't have a political point of view other than how I want to act. How other people try to organize themselves is kind of boring to me.

>>2674 >>2671 >>2587 sincere thanks. you guys make this site worth visiting

>>2687 I find it ironic how Hoppean anarcho-capitalism ends as some modern redux of tribal societies. Calling them covenants or family corporations instead of tribes changes little. Then again, they have the physical removal clause. Dunno how anarcho-hippies would deal with a nearby Muslim district deciding to liberate their women and other property from them kuffar. Without a CheKa that goes full Kronshtadt or Barcelona on them the very day it gets organized.

>>2587 I'm new to this board so I don't know how popular the hackers manifesto or anarchism are in the political sphere. If its popular, could someone please explain all the hype? If its not, could someone please explain the lack of hype?

>>3295 >popular it depends on who you ask >the hype a sense of pragmatism that goes further than the electoralism of democratic socialists and the party-lines of leninists (and friends). the defiance, especially of economic/political determinism >the lack of hype every single one of those groups (as well as many conservative politicians) I mentioned likes to use anarchists as the black sheep of leftism. if something bad happens, they'll find an anarchist to blame

>>2594 >play overwatch >anarchist o I am laffin

>>2652 >there is nothing of value in those zines put them in the trash Why stop there? Let's bring back public book burnings too.

>>3347 You can have freedom of speech and still be completely wrong and promoting useless or harmful ideas like those zines do. He didn´t advocate for censorship, just that you discern better and realize the soykaf you are consuming

>>3348 Ah, so you read them then?

lemme shov a few interesting news blogs : https://actforfree.nostate.net/ https://anarchistsworldwide.noblogs.org/

>>2591 >There's no such thing as a non-left anarchist. So many do not understand the political quadrant despite it being very simple. Up is authority, down is liberty. Left and right have to do with equality vs non-equality on the right. Simply dead center down would logically be no rules and a free for all heading in all directions. Dead center down. Bottom center of the political quadrant, dead center. Equality would imply rules set forth so one animal can't randomly eat the other. Hierarchy would imply also the same thing if one animal was safe, a structure was made to rule over others. With anarchy it is set to random, neither left nor right, and simply down down down. >>2588 Currency and anarchism don't go hand in hand. >>2611 The thread is a garbage fire.

>>4592 Adding this image to my post to explain with visual aid why anarchy is center. Left is a rule, rules means someone telling you what to do with some system, ergo left is equality but also dragging upwards to authoritarian. Lack of freedom for hierarchical leadership, same thing, dragging upwards. Really, if authority is authority, there is only up vs down and no such thing as left or right, but still. With human nature 8 directions isn't possible, and rather than two there ends up being three goal points rather than sub-quadrants. So says I.

>>4592 imagine thinking you can parametrize politics imagine thinking you can do it on two axes

>>4595 this you need at least 3 axis like here : https://www.tzitzimitl.net/graph3d?voir_moi&voir_gauchedroite&taille_texte=2.3

>>4592 that political "compass" very quickly breaks down. If you want to conceptualize politics in such simple terms, I suggest you use a more materialistic way of looking at things. Left policies - policies that further the material interests of the lesser class(the antithesis), right policies - policies that further the material interests of the higher class(the thesis). That way you can use these terms not only for different periods of European history but also for other cultures as well

>>4995 This. left-right isn't even consistent internationally (anti-gun is right-wing here). At least the two axis compass has consistency.

>>4593 Why base politics on a model instead of basing them on reality (as in observe reality and then create model of politics). Marx did that exact thing long time ago, this way you don't have arbitrary left-righ,auth-lib axes, but instead look at specific groups and their goals, then associate ideologies that help them futher their goals. >>5620 This so much, political compass has huge liberal bias and is pretty soykaf. I mean if leftlib is anti-state, then why rightlib isn't too? (Before you tell me that they want to abolish the state I remind you that they want to keep free markets and capitalism itself, which will in long run lead to privately-owned states).

>>2591 ancaps use the common definition of anarchy not the political one. to be honest they're the only ones that make any sense

>>5620 >anti-gun is right-wing here ...and there's a pro-gun left in North America which the mainstream media ignores because it doesn't fit into their tidy red/blue cookie cutter narrative. It has its roots in people like Abbie Hoffman, Hunter S. Thomson, Emma Goldman, AIM and the Black Panthers. In fact it was Ronald Reagan, governor of California at the time, who ushered in modern gun control to disarm the Panthers and other left groups. The NRA won't tell you that though.

>>5622 True. Their naive definition might be pretty workable without changing much. Leftist definition is much more clear and has more going for it, but at best it can be utilised as ideal type (as Weber said) from which you can take certain ideas. Although, I am not much of traditional anarchist, I still think their though is much better developed than ancaps.

>>5624 An - archy means without leaders though. AnCaps still want leaders, just not a state or taxation. It ought to be called something else, technically speaking.

>>5625 The word isn't particularly well choosen here, anarchists want to abolish all (unjust) hierarchies. I agree with second part of your post though, ancaps want to keep hierarchies, but want to create them freeily, based on income, not on authority of the state.

An anarchist society is very quick to collapse ( talking in the context of the present day but I will also expand further upon in the context of the future ) because: >States will form, hierarchies will form Who is in the possession of the most necessities and weapons will be the leader, and these formed states are going to take over others like it, be it for economic or resource growth, even if trade exists. Alongside this, all humans have the idea of a state and hierarchy intrinsically built into them, it is unavoidable and it is how societies and nations have always naturally formed. And they won't be easy to dismantle, unless you get practically everyone on board with anarchist ideals, which is where you'll meet your first obstacle, also opportunists ( like the guys who stole all the food from CHAZ lmao ). >People are not incentivized for contributions of a great scale Unless you want humanity to stay at a point in time without going anywhere further until your time is up ( hypothetically if anarchism could have been implemented and not crushed ), then having monetary incentives is the way to go, and many times it is up to luck if you'll have a gifted person who will make a great impact for humanity, that is not something that can be learned. And no matter how much you say "the benefit of society" is a great incentive, it doesn't beat money, in a society where the incentive to do something with your life is the benefit of itself and not the individual will lead most people to simply work in the interests of themselves and those closest to them. >"Government ≠ state" You need a state to have a government. >What about a post-apocalyptic society? Same applies, states will eventually form, and while it is true people are willing to help each other to progress, they will also be ready to go to war for things they desire. Both are and were true since humans started existing, in fact you could say that humanity is a perpetual state of war or conflict, as it is, or was, the main propeller that pushed innovation and progress. You could argue we live in a vastly different time now, though. Anarchism may be feasible in a small group of people, whose ideas align in a way that they essentially become 1, with same commitments, wills and goals. For a mass implementation, will not last, people want to do their thing, and survive, and they will abuse the system if they can to benefit them, and if you plan to stop that using force, you need a state. In fact, for an anarchist society to resist it's own natural dissolution, the same small group of people I mentioned will have to become heads, or the new state. Just because you changed "boss", "president" or "dictator" to "leader" doesn't make you any different. Humanity does not exist without a state or hierarchy of some kind, they are inherently tribalistic and not all-inclusive. Unless you're thinking about a possible futuristic evolutionary phase of humans, which is a whole another topic. And while I agree with the notion that capitalism has the inherent characteristic of booms and falls, the model of capitalism most of the world is in, focused on eternal growth and all-expanding global free trade makes the impact that much more worse in both ways ( some could cite that "imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism", due to it's failure to be self-sustained, though I'm not a commie. ). But you wouldn't settle for regulations or internal markets now would you? After all, you are anarchists. And anarchism enables the complete disrespect of both personal and private property ( both of which are completely fine ). Many anarchists seem to reject common moral values, so having a society of morally deaf and blind people with 0 respect for anyone or anything and the complete "freedom" to do anything you want? Recipe for disaster. The only way to make any society work is to have good moral values within a populace, hard work, discipline, will to fight, strength and most of all - to be moderate in things, and to be humble. Freedom only exists with responsibility. >>2672 >>2671 don't compare others to your level, you're angry at others due to your own shortcomings, hierarchies are eternal.

>>5627 steady-state anarchism is a cultural phenomenon, not a political one. A culture needs to have very strongly held values of honor and independence to be anarchist. Most cultures are incompatible with anarchism, some are very compatible. Most western cultures aren't. Some, like the Punjabi, are. /thread

>>5627 I broadly agree with your post, but there's one bit I'm not a fan of: >The only way to make any society work is to have good moral values within a populace, hard work, discipline, will to fight, strength and most of all - to be moderate in things, and to be humble. Freedom only exists with responsibility. It annoys me when people try to redefine words like 'freedom' to fit their agenda. Being free means having no artificial restrictions on what you can and can't do. That's it. End of story. What you're actually arguing is that absolute freedom might not be a good thing, which I agree with; it's not sustainable. I think it's good to be totally free in certain areas, like having absolute freedom of speech, press, and expression, but you need to have restrictions on other freedoms to keep society alive. Also, the words "good moral values" could mean anything, making them mean nothing. There's lots of conflicting ideas on what is and isn't morally acceptable with no universal consensus. I'm aware I'm being a pedantic dipshit, but I think it's important to write in an unambiguous way if you're having a serious discussion.

Hey anarchists, I'm not too interested in the philosophy/political stuff that most of this thread is concerned with. Do you have recommended books for Anarchist practises? Books like ones on Urban Warfare so one knows how to best take advantage of the urban landscape in a gunfight, how to build this and address wounds and whatnot. Do you have a collection of books with practical, useful methods so one can just start doing things or at least, when the situation arises, know what to do? Quite simply, as broad as the question may be, what things should an anarchist know how to do?

>>5628 That's fair, I have no clue about Punjabi culture so I won't comment on it. >>5629 "Freedom only exists with responsibility" is a thing we're frequently taught, idk about other parts of the world, but I strongly believe in it, if you want to be free you should be willing to deal with all the consequences of being free. And by good moral values, I do mainly think about Christian and western values, as that's what I have grown up with, but that can go for any culture that values things like humility, humbleness, moderation, strength etc., but nevertheless I understand your point.