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the hebrew version of the bible is way different if amybody is interested here it is https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1.htm god the creator was referred to in plural, yahweh means "its me" white people were here before gods, people were developed before the creation, other people were created before adam and eve, its all in here. before jews even theres a common ancestor on a greek island somewhere and if you look at the subtext, yeah it does look like it, god was a person, most likely from earth, they came around the place to gene edit creatures with ai and terraform a retard copied them and started the bible

>>11821 You seem to have jumped on the path of enlightnment pretty fast. To fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle read the main Kabbalah texts.

>>11822 things god invented in the bible according to tge bible sharks retards the sun (x3) some of the birds maybe

I will have to ask a local LLM to give me an accurate summary of the kabbalah or any other jewish scripture. But first I must ask, can a group of people be trusted with any spiritual authority whatsoever who willingly chooses to look as dumb and stupid as OP's picture? Like wtf would you want to go around like your head's got a goodyear and some handles? Also what's the deal with the foreskins?

>>11842 >ask an LLM this dude cant read kabbalah

Yeah, but then they try to merge their initial god with the guy who created this world and various lower gods and the hypothetical absolute no one has seen and steal and mix various fake and real stories...

>>11842 It's just polish and germans larping as an extinct middle eastern tribe. What do you expect?

>>11843 Is it a booklet? Is Neon Genesis Evangelion Lore accurate? Can YOU summarize it to me? Or is it just one of these pillipullis? Like I don't know much about Islam either but those guys at least look comfy in their skin and pajama robes, despite torturing dogs. Meanwhile the hebrews dress like dorks who didn't get a good fit on their suit and then some animal died on their head. Superficial observation, sure. But how does that bring you closer to god? >>11845 Oh, I've seen that argument. Something about the original jesuits being long gone and now you got a bunch of caaninite descendants running around claiming to be le chosen. But I can't tell which it is either way. To me it's on par with black israelites. Some say Jesus was actually black. But who says the jews weren't actually black? I just don't know.

>>11845 They're quite genetically distinct, and non-jewish sources (such as the Romans) pretty consistently refer to Jews as a distinct ethnic group with similar traditions to modern Jews. Whether they are the same Canaanites that moses freed from the egyptians, who knows.

>>11847 i think the part nobody wants to admit is the genetic distinction is the same isolationism+inbreeding we see with a lot of orthodox european groups. like the mormons are going to be genetically distinct too in a few hundred years even though all their claims are very obviously false

>>11842 >>11821 >God the creator was referred to in plural. This is incorrect, and comes from a misunderstanding of Hebrew grammar. The word "El" means god, and "Elohim" means "gods", but can also be used to refer to a specific god, if you are attempting to be especially polite, in a manner roughly analogous to the difference between 'thou', and 'ye' in Early Modern English. Hebrew verbs conjugate differently, depending on number, like how in English we would say "God creates", but "Gods create". When "Elohim" is used to mean "God", the verbs, and adjectives attached to the word are conjugated for a singular subject, but when it's used to mean "Gods", the verbs and adjectives are conjugated for a plural subject. Virtually every time the Tanakh uses the word "Elohim", the corresponding verbs, and adjectives are conjugated in the singular, so the word is being used as a singular word. > Yahweh means "Its me" No it doesn't. It's a corrupted version of the Hebrew for "I am". The text explicitly points this out in Exodus. >white people were here before gods I have literally no idea what this is supposed to be in reference to. What the fuarrrk are you talking about? >people were developed before the creation According to Genesis Chapter 2, yes. According to Genesis Chapter 1, no. This is in no way unique to the Hebrew Language version, but rather appears in all Bibles. > other people were created before adam and eve This claim does not appear in the Bible. You've misremembered a Talmudic attempt to harmonize the two completely different creation narratives appearing in the first two chapters of Genesis. Since the earlier account claims man and woman were created simultaneously, but the later states that Adam was created first, and Eve cloned from his rib. >before jews even theres a common ancestor on a greek island somewhere .... what? >and if you look at the subtext, yeah it does look like it, god was a person, most likely from earth, they came around the place to gene edit creatures with ai and terraform a retard copied them and started the bible Did you read Chariot of the Gods while attending a Nation of Islam meeting? Because otherwise I have literally no idea how you came to this conclusion. >>11842 >Also what's the deal with the foreskins? I'm just going to give a quote from an actual scholar here: >There is an illness that can make sexual intercourse quite painful for a male: phimosis, a constriction of the foreskin caused by a chronic infection between the foreskin and the glans. The people of Abraham lived in the desert somewhere between ur and the Mediterranean Sea. It was very dry and dust clouded up with every step they made. The robes they wore in those days were open from below and they wore nothing underneath them, so the dust could go everywhere. Moreover, they had little understanding of hygiene. Genesis repeatedly speaks of people washing themselves with water, but that is limited to the feet. Water was scarce in the desert and needed for cattle. So there was probably not enough to wash yourself daily. It is therefore not surprising that circumcision mainly prevailed among people who lived in the desert [....] Phimosis primarily becomes a problem during an erection, as the glans is obstructed and the foreskin may tear. The movements associated with sexual intercourse exacerbate the symptoms, making it increasingly difficult to bring the act to a satisfactory conclusion. Can this make a man so desperate, especially if he passionately wants to found a long lineage, that he is willing to remove the most logical cause of the problem - his foreskin - by striking it with a stone? The ancestors of the Israelites started doing it for pragmatic reasons like this, then it became a cultural signifier, then a sacred covenant. That's what the deal with foreskins is.

>>11864 Apologies, I meant to cite my source for the scholarly quote there, but forgot. Citation is as follows: > Ovan De Laar, Arnold (2023). Under the Knife: A History of Surgeryin 28 Remarkable Operations The book is obviously a work of pop sci/pop history, but the author is a surgeon, with a history of publishing articles about surgery history in both surgical, and historical journals, so calling him a scholar is accurate, even if this particular work wasn't peer reviewed. >>11864

>>11864 >The ancestors of the Israelites started doing it for pragmatic reasons like this, then it became a cultural signifier, then a sacred covenant. That's what the deal with foreskins is. The author of the take you quoted is probably (almost certainly) circumcised. Baby's first NPC explanation of social and ritual behavior. Your first hint should be the elegance. >Ah it started for a reason >Then one guy did it and like maybe he convinced someone else to with a similar problem? >Then the cut made their children like themselves (plays into the "better to not remember it" and "children don't feel pain" narrative) >Whoa then like.... this went on for a while! And you had a separation of those who would carry it out on their children, and those who wouldn't. This concentrated the genetics of the cutters. >Then like, someone said God or something created the universe to glorify the circumcised state, so you can kick people out who don't do it. So like, the ones who did it or had it done to them won't feel looked down on, when they realized the uncut are better. Even in addressing the mechanics and general stupidity of your elegant conway's game of life-esque model, I've necessarily plotted out the reasons. You can use your imagination from here. And finally separate from the "hurr durr sandy desert goes up your robe, silica dries out and irritates ur PEEPEE for some reason even though you know the foreskin is actually a muscle and fascia layer over mucosa that practically seals to the glans most of the time, but oh that's right the author is circumcised so he doesn't know that. And the rest of us have to read such trash and think "ugh..." and then feel like a bastard saying "now now circumcised, listen up". And you feel bad because it was done to them at birth as a form of behavior modification and now they have to cope. You also have to wade through the hypnotic character of the *ahem, NPR voice* scholarly tone. Why yes, it was very dusty, and people had enough water to build civilizations, sustain livestock, and keep themselves alive, but ah. That hygiene stuff.... they just didn't understand it. No one ever went to have a fap and used some spit on their glans which basically auto-cleans it. And ah, they knew they could wash their feet, but it was just like ritual and they didn't actually notice what it was doing... so.... when their cock got all irritated like sand vagina would, like... it was too confusing, and they were on the BRINK OF DEATH ALL THE TIME.... sooo.... what would be lost through spit or sweating... every last drop had to count.... and so maybe sand got in there and had ANCIENT FUNGAL SPOREEEESSSS!!!!! which came out of dormancy and the combined microtears of silicon crystals and fungal activation damaged the immune system and caused balanitis and THEN the micro scarring made the foreskin lose elasticity even though it has to have separated from the glans to begin with. And lets not even talk about South Americans in the humid jungles who don't circumcise at all. But like yeah, who wouldn't just stretch out that numb foreskin (not part of the dick, it's extra skin, foreskin is extra and not part of the penis) and just bash that mofo with sharp obsidian, sharp rock.... whatever it takes........ so horny, so desperate.... yet so phimotic. He cuts it off. Or maybe it was an emergency?! Or one guy GASP witnessed PARAPHIMOSIS and the whole COCK was cut off or rotted necrotically or something and like then they just cut off everyone's foreskin because they were scared that a local sorcerer cast a spell and the FORESKIN being the most FEMININE part of a man was the weakest, so it took the brunt of the sorcerer's assault, and so they had to cut it off. I'm sorry, I can't. Those simple "elegant" >Yep, that's how it happened. That's how it evolved! models are just so retarded I CANNOT EVEN. The more you pick it apart the more tiresome it becomes. Circumcision has an origin lost to time and now we have to deal with this soykaf because it happens to be a man's one and only dick, so there's a labyrinth of cope. And I'm fuarrrking sick of it. Sick of looking at it. Sick of hearing it. Sick of knowing I'm surrounded by people who have been forced to think this way when someone crushed and sliced off their dick.

>>11864 >Eve cloned from his rib This is another mistranslation. The word inferred to mean "rib" really just means "side". It could have been anything.

>>11864 the stuff about white people and greeks is just a recurring western theological defect where people don't want to accept that the abrahamic religions are originally african/middle eastern tribal belief systems

I'm slowly reading genesis and onward (KJV of course) The Old Testament patriarchs have no sense of ethics other than (sometimes) doing as they're told. And a lot of the time they do bad things for orders. Moses is genocidal as hell, for example. If you compare the stories to other stuff in the BCE it's not that bad, just worth noting. Like if you compare Jacob to Odysseus, Jacob might be nicer but they're both assholes. >>11864 >phimosis, hygiene This all memes. Cutting up dicks is a tribal symbol and I'm being nice saying just that.

>>11870 I thought it meant "part". Hence why people speculate it's the baculum, absent in man. Also this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eahn_ttWG28

>>11821 I'll share this because it's pointless for me to try and explicate how wrong every single poster itt is with no exceptions. "Why Jesus failed": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oyx99xqRgs Enjoy!

>>11876 Israelis are just about the very last people who can claim real insight into any of this. The entire identity is a lie.

>>11877 Rrrrrright... unlike mr. anonymous, who doesn't have any identity.

>>11879 Honestly, yeah. I trust a random nobody off the street on this subject more than people who's entire sense of self is dependent on lying about it.

>>11880 https://web.archive.org/web/20220803143528/https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/to-dislike-certain-ethnicities-is-racist-to-see-jews-as-equal-is-antisemitic/ >To dislike certain ethnicities is racist; to see Jews as equal is antisemitic >Yet, Jews are the only Nation not just based on practice, location, or beliefs. Jews are the only People based on an assignment. And their Divinely ordained task is to be exemplary to all of humanity. To be G^d’s ambassadors on earth, fighting for the good of everyone. >That means that when one says that Jews are just like everyone else, you’re a bigot. You don’t need to look down on Jews to be Antisemitic. >When our parents say they want to be our friends, that’s nice. But we better also respect them as teachers. Totally equalizing them is demeaning them and arrogant of us. When Jews say they want to be everyone’s friends and allies, that’s nice. But Gentiles better also give them respect as their teachers. Totally equalizing them is demeaning them and arrogant. NB: We are not Christians ‘Older brother.’ Too many older brothers in the Hebrew Bible were passed over by younger sibs. We are their parents.

>>11880 ... you'd trust an LLM before you'd try to clear out the metric tons of excrement that Israelis shat into your earholes is what your saying, top kek It's still just an ad-hominem but it's funny, I'll give you that.

>>11881 I felt like so much about their attitudes instantly made sense with the context that ashkanazi brand Judaism is actually younger than both Islam and Christianity.

>>11888 Checked. They could be a renaming / occulting of an older system that wants to disguise itself.

>>11845 can't believe what i'm reading das waycist

>>11890 if you think about it they are the first successfully transracial people. like maybe the only mistake dolezal made was trying to be transracial by herself. it only works with the power of teamwork

>>11846 Ю Like I don't know much about Islam either but those guys at least look comfy in their skin and pajama robes, despite torturing dogs. Meanwhile the hebrews dress like dorks who didn't get a good fit on their suit and then some animal died on their head. Look, once you learn the difference between all-natural coat/suit and a suit with synthetic inner lining, you'll realize how *intricate* the clothing is.

>>11901 >>11846 To me the best argument for Islam and Christianity vs Judaism is that if Jesus and Mohamed aren't the messiahs then it's arguable there are no messiahs in the entirety of human history. Moreover it doesn't make sense for either of them to appear in a world where the Jewish messiah is still supposed to appear. It's also questionable why god would spread prophecies that have no relevancy to thousands of years of humans because he has no intention of sending the messiah until they're all long dead.

>>11847 >Whether they are the same Canaanites that moses freed from the egyptians, who knows. Whether that ever even happened at all is debatable. We have Assyrian and Babylonian sources corroborating the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities. Yet somehow we've never been able to find a single Egyptian source mentioning any of the events of Exodus.

You should read the annotated scholarship Bible instead of just reading the books in their original language. It contains a lot of extra information like which parts are pulled from different traditions, authorship analysis, and relevant information about the culture of the time. And explanations of the puns, jokes, wordplay, and poetic devices which are lost in translation. >>11864 Good post aside from the foreskin speculation. >>11867 Thanks for writing this out so I didn't have to. I would like to share my favorite Bible story which involves strategic circumcision: Dinah gets raped by Shechem, who then wants to marry her, and so his father, Hamor, asks Dinah's family to settle down in the town he rules over, take some of their women for their brides and give Dinah to his son. Dinah's brothers say they cannot do this because it's forbidden to give their sister to a man who is uncircumcised and say they will only give her to Shechem if he and all the other males in Hamor's town circumcise themselves. Hamor and Shechem agreed and the men circumcise themselves. While all the men were healing from the circumcision, Dinah's brothers kill all of them.

>>11909 Thats some weird ass story and never heard that one before, do they talk in catholic school about this? More curiously why is that your favorite story out of the bible, its certainly an odd one why would that be mentioned. What strikes me ass odd why would all of them suddenly decide to alter their genetal aparatus just so one guy can marry some chick he already raped. Like how did they just go round and hand a instruction manual and a brith kit round and clipped their bird, then when snipping stopped the chopping started? This would make for a funny comic, makes me wonder what else of this all would make for funny stories. Why do jews dress so weird tho, its like almost comical too.

>>11911 Well part of it is their traditional garb became Islamic as the majority of the descendants of the tribes converted. The pictures people are posting are post hoc inventions that look weird because there's a cargo cult aspect to the spread of European Judaism.

oh look a thread about epstein's #1 book of 2005. i know you all understand what the book is about, no?