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Y.T · 2017-05-27 09:37
Does anyone have any reading recommendations for someone interested in the Method of Loci / Mind Palace Technique?
I'm currently reading Moonwalking with Einstein, but it's not exactly what I'm looking for. It's written by this journalist who became interested in memory world champions and then tried to pick up some techniques. It's a fun read, but I would much prefer a stripped down training manual.
In short, I would very much like a book that directly teaches the reader how to use create a Mind Palace. I don't have to turn into Funes the Memorious, but I'd like for my memory to be good enough to permanently remember certain facts and rules, maybe even mathematical formulas.
Cereal Killer · 2017-06-29 21:35
these might be what you are looking for.
Most of the examples that I have tried failed, because you need to associate one thing with another, depending on your learning style, that might make it more difficult (i am very good at grasping ideas and looking at the big picture, but the little details are hard to remember) That is the basis of most of these techniques, you pretend to walk through a house, and there's a cat sitting on the couch, the cat is named <topic a> and the couch is red, and R is the first lettre of topic B or for letter sequences you are (W) alking (B) behind a (P) urple (C) cactus (WBPC was the sequence)
Crazy Jake · 2017-06-30 14:10
>>1086
Thanks a million for these!
Let's hope I don't screw up too much while trying to learn these techniques.
Yuki Nagato · 2018-08-15 20:10
I would also highly recommend Joshua Foer's Moonwalking with Einstein if you want some history and science behind the mind palace renaissance.
The guy documented how he became interested and then deeply immersed in the world of 'mind athletes', and talks about common techniques for remembering all kind of information (binary digits, poetry, cards). It ends when he becomes the US Memory Champion.
Eldon Tyrell · 2018-12-02 06:36
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=3A9A61DF89712D109A6A91236991FA04
This Friday night I was searching for information about mnemonics, as I am trying to use them for helping me remember Japanese kanji.
I found the book linked to be quite useful, as it presented not only the method of locus, but also other techniques that can be useful in different situations. For example, I am using the "linking by story" and keyword methods, and making sure I don't forget by using a spaced repetition system (SRS) software called Anki.
>>2491
https://www.ted.com/talks/joshua_foer_feats_of_memory_anyone_can_do?language=en
I watched his talk on TED and found it quite interesting, I will definitely check the book.
Ishikura "Tatsu" Tatsuhiko · 2019-12-02 08:03
If you want to remember whatever thing (formula, kanji) you should comprehend it. Understand exactly what it means (imagine it using each thought-form available to you, including sensory, perceptual, literary, musical, cinematic,,), why it means what it means, what each it's part means and how it's parts relate to each other, what external things relate to it, how it relates to each thing it relates to, in which contexts is it used, how it's used in the contexts in which it's used. Once you have a conceptual comprehension of it, get a technical comprehension of it. Practice many drills about/with it until you can do them momentarily. When you have a conceptual and technical comprehension of it, it is difficult to (even intentionally) forget. If you do forget (part of) it, you have a lot of other stuff related to it which you're able to use to figure out what you forgot.
If you want to remember everything that occurred in a part of space and time, just consider it as a spatiotemporal thing, and remember it as a thing. Of course, if you are in the moment, and need to remember what's going on around you, you just keep your senses keen, and notice each detail that you perceive, and each detail about your perceiving them (e.g. which data of which senses/perceptual-systems, in which order), and any other relations between them which you might have thought about, or which are sufficient for reconstructing, when there's nothing going on (this is why it's important to keep your house/apartment/room minimalist, so that you always have a way to have nothing going on), the whole spatiotemporal thing.
HELIOS · 2019-12-02 08:54
Method of loci takes a long time to (learn how to) use, even at proficiency. Making new ones, extending old ones, takes much effort.
Many mnemonic devices use false associations, which tend to be deleterious to memory, because they add wrong or misleading associations to the efficient system.
False association can be useful, but not for anything meaningful. e.g. Remembering a passcode. e.g. x"hÏG'6ď8&4fF6ŐHuZ,6:tR.~Aa95z0ztr<.PDnw Just random printable characters. Waste your time trying it on my accounts, if you enjoy that sort of timekiller.
It's often easier to first find whatever (false, naturally) structure seems to exist in the passcode. e.g. broken up into seemingly meaningful chunks:
(x" hÏG' 6ď8) & ((4fF 6Ő Hu Z) , (6 : tR.)) ~ (Aa 95z 0z t r) < (. PD nw)
Let yourself experience how that passcode would sound:
x double prime (double quote), {hi G, higgs} prime, six dee-prime [one char] eight, and, four fail [chan] F*cks, 6 round-mouth gasps (double-aigu), Hu (hu hu) [deliberate condescending chuckle], Zed, [next element in sequence], 6 [ratio] tRanny point, equ[ivalent to], Aa, 95 degreez, 0 degreez, tr(anny), less than, point Police Department north-west.
Maybe distinguishing upper- and lower- case letters using pitch, upper (lower) case having upper (lower) pitch.
All that, but as a single sequence of the form of the passcode, the way the characters look, the way the words look and sound, the meanings of the various substrings, the tactile sense of typing them, etc. Your password becomes a purely-mental, private, avant-garde performance artproduct, which you get to enjoy experiencing and performing each time you enter whatever system to which that string is the passcode.
HELIOS · 2020-05-09 08:49
For a very long time now (since 2017 I think) I've consciously tried to retain as little information as possible, delegating memorization to pieces of paper or text documents/apps on a computer.
There are negative consequences of doing this, I've a hard time remembering things but also am more efficient at remembering things that I do want to remember.
It's like using a calculator for years, you'll likely forget the rules of calculations but are much better at remembering snapshots of said calculations, kind of an experience-over-knowledge thing.
Technically it might be a good thing, I've learned to reject information and now would be a good time to start on consciously retaining information.
Imagination appears to be heavily related to memorization, I've recently taken up watching House MD and came to realization that the characters' imaginations is what's so entertaining - they are capable of connecting processes that don't seem related until it is explained to the observer:
>connecting ?clots? in the vasculatory system to traffict jams akin to a slow moving bus blocking the highway
>connecting blood-brain barrier to highway fences
etc. Funny that these are the ones I remember because I've connected the highway analogies to the idea of in-show analogies.
If, as
>>3875
explains, false associations created by the Loci method are inefficient, perhaps it'd be better to experiment with spaced repetition?
Spaced repetition is, as I see it, a sort of forced comprehension
>>3874
by memorization? So instead of comprehending something bottom-to-top I'm memorizing everything about it top-to-bottom then subsequently connecting the dots to actually understand the information?
You first simulate the information of experience with a subject then retroactively comprehend it?
Along the way I'd be using existing comprehensions to try and match/parallel them in analogies against the new information, training the imagination?
>>>/hum/18545
>>>/hum/18552
How connected are imagination and memorization?