Does lain have autism?

I was watching the anime and something came to me after seeing her in her class. Lain is a Sperg and to go further, I would say a future R9K femanon. Evidence for this is with in the first few episodes. In the class scene notice how she sees everything a lot brighter then everything else. This appears to be sensory over load which is common with in autistics. She is anti-social and does not notice the things and people around her. When the girls in her class speak to her she doesn't really focus on them. She appears to vaguely look in their direction and respond to them with out having her full attention in the moment. Through out this whole time she speaks in this monotone voice which I will speak about later. At home she is seen to be anti-social and quit even with family. This is a trait of autistic people for they have a delayed sense communication. She is later seen in her room with a bear suit on as a form of pajamas. She might think it is cute but ask your self this, why would a 14-15 year old girl, who isn't a furry, wear such a thing? It would possibly be from an obsession with bears, as you can see in her room a bear, or for comfort. Either way could link towards autism as obsessive behavior and focus on how certain things feel are both traits of autism. She later talks to her computer in a monotone voice and doesn't physically respond to the person whom is dead. This lack of vocal and physical emotion is the sign of the inexpressiveness of autistic people. She through out the first 2 episodes she is anti-social quit and have a hard time making friends. When she does have friends they see her as quit and not being able properly match her situation. A case of this is when she first enters Cyberia and she goes in every day clothes. She is slow to adapting to social situations and matching her appearance to them. After she sees a man get shot she barely physically react. This could be further showing her lack of expression due to autism. The lack of physical reaction has already been shown, this merely strengthens it. The more important behavior to point out here is when she talks to the police officer. She only says a few words if any to the police man. The reason she would due this is obvious taking into account she is autistic. Autistic people have a hard time talking to new people and talking at all. She could possibly be nervous and scare which makes talking even harder. She had to weight for her non-autistic sister to pic her up and talk to the police officer for her. This is a high sign of autistic behavior and selective mutism. So in adding up the data from the first few episodes we can diagnose autism. She gets overwhelmed mentally by out stimuli and reacts slowly or not at all to them. She has a hard time talking to people and new people. She has a hard time communicating with others and making friends. She had a hard time expressing emotion and communicating said emotions. She has obsessive behavior early in the series it was with bears/fluffy animals and later it is with computers.

(A) A persistence deficits of social communications and interaction in history or present life, see following test. (1) Deficits in socio-emotional responses such as abnormal social approach or back and forth conversations. a further example of this reducing the sharing the interest, emotions or affect. To fail to initiate and or respond to social interactions. Right there in A1 it already sounds like Lain "an abnormal approach to back and fourth conversations". This is shown when she tells a random class mate that somebody is crying a lot. Why would somebody point out to a random person how a classmate is crying and even more why the amount of crying. This is a sign of an abnormal approach to back and fourth conversation. This same scene gives more backing for DSM-5 Autism A1. To fail to respond or initiate to social interactions. This is apparent when she has to think for 5 seconds about why a person is crying when somebody died. Seems like she is matching the diagnoses pretty well. On to A2 of the DSM-5 autism diagnoses. (2)Deficits non-verbal communication used for interaction. Poorly verbal and non-verbal communication such as abnormalities in body language and eye contact. This section also explains understanding body language/non-verbal communication is also difficult in autistic individuals. This section requires a look at all her movements through out the series as they relate to her emotion and environment. Back to the school scene she doesn't actually make eye contact with any of students. The other example is at the table scene and most times she is with her family, she never makes eye contact, always looking down. This is a sign of lack of eye contact in DSM-5 autism A2. Back to the school scene, she is unable to read body language as she cannot relate the death of friend to crying and takes awhile to realize they relate. This is an example of not being able to read body language with in DSM-5 A2 autism diagnoses. (3) Deficits making, maintaining and understanding relationship. Such as understanding the contextual behaviors of the relationship. This spreads to have difficulties making friends. This also spreads to lack interest in peers; suggestion wit in the DSM-5 of asocial behavior with peers. This is shown primarily with the girls in her class along with most criteria of section A in the DSM-5 for autism. She has a hard time making friends and she is "shy" and considered "shy" to most of her class mates. The one points out is contextual behavior such as knowing what to do and how to dress. She also lacks the knowledge on how to act in clubs but for these two it could be said that she just doesn't know what to do in these situations. So the most important factor in these situations is the fact she has hard time making friends and usually have a disinterest in socializing/making friends. Which does match the criteria for DSM-5 autism A3. So from this point on she would have a high suggestion rate for autism just from the first section. Which in-between section one and two is discusses the severity based upon how much as been checked of in A 1-3 and B 1-4, which I will discuss after the B is discussed for that what is the final factor to decide that. (B) Restrictive, repetitive patterns of behavior, interest or activities as manifested in two of the following. In history or present life. (1) Stereotyped and repetitive use of objects, motor movements and speech. Lining up toys and flipping objects are two examples they use along with of course stereotyped/repetitive speech. I have not really found as much of this behavior in the show unless I attempt to stress certain behaviors to suit it. For example, she doesn't repeat phrases again and again nor does repetitive motor acts like. There isn't much evidence for this one but evidence for absolutely all of them isn't required and in fact is rare to have all traits. (2)Distress towards anything that doesn't match a certain routine and being inflexible. Ritualized patterns of verbal and non-verbal behavior. It mentions extreme distress to small changes, difficultly with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need for repetition in diet and route everyday. The DSM uses the summarizing term "insistence on sameness. I haven't paid attention to the food she eats that much to tell if she has an insistence on sameness with food but the show does show her daily route to school. The route to school never changes from day to day, layer to layer. This is a sign that she will show high signs of stress if she stays from it, which all bundles up into being this trait. She also does a similar thing when she begins using her computer, she uses her computer at the same time every time she uses it. She has a computer before using every day on the same time, she actually barely checked because of a "difficulty towards transition". This trait seems vary apparent in Lain when peering behind the reason of certain behaviors. (3)Highly restricted, fixated interest that are unusually intense or focused. This phenomenon has varying names but it is when an autistic individual is very obsessive about a topic, subject, object, concept, etc. they often show strong attachment or preoccupation with the subject, object, concept, etc. This trait is highly shown in Lain, as I mentioned she had an obsession with fluffy animals/teddy bears then after using the internet she instantly stopped caring about her fluffy animal things. She only shows any interest in them only by wearing her fluffy animal bear suit at home, which she probably wears due to comfort. She became extremely obsessed with computers afterwards even telling her dad to get her a new one, she then does an all-nighter making a tank of a computer. The fact she knew how to build such a beast of a computer shines more of a light on how obsessed she became with computers, the time between episodes must be her reading up on computers non-stop. For this trait she defiantly has. (4)Hyperactivity to sensor input, this means issues with how stimuli/input is received or how much/how intense the input is. This is also shown by fascination with certain stimuli/input such as repeatedly smelling a piece of paper or liking how concrete feels. This is also shown by certain input/stimuli being too much or too intense. This is also shown a lot by Lain as it shows how she processes input through out the series. This trait actually made me realize that she might be autistic when in the school seen she has too much input when looking at the chalk board along with some dyslexia, since the letters seem to float. Her sensory input issues seem mostly and extreme visually as when she goes outside everything seems extremely bright, everything which isn't in her direct attention is a bright white color. This is a sign that how she perceives light is more intense then others and cannot look at most other things besides what she is touching because it it too much visual stimuli. More proof of her excess of visual stimuli is the fact her room is always dark, perhaps because having a light on would be too much for her. The other factor which hyperactivity to sensory input takes place in is the fact that she wears a fuzzy bear suit. This could be because that how the fuzzy suit feels feels really fascinating to her because of how intense and she perceives the fur and the over all suit to feel. She has this trait as well and it is one of her most intense traits Reviewing the different levels it was hard to say if she is a level one or a level two our of the three levels of autism with in the DSM. She speaks in small slow sentences through out the series but is able to communicate with other people but barely understand human interaction. she noticeably has no speech impediment but has problems speaking such as with the cop after the Cyberia shooting but this can happen in level ones. She seems to operate fine on her own in a lot of scenes, so she appears to be a level one here. A DSM-4 diagnoses would most likely be Asperger's syndrome. The extent of her sensory input would suggest she is one a higher level in some instants though. So like I said it is hard to determine if she is a level one or two. (C) "Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life)." She appears to been having her issues for awhile as she went to therapy before the series and been having problems before that, which was either in 7th grade or elementary school. I am still not sure if they were about the discussed issues or not. (D) "Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning." She can not focus on school work and has hard time making friends so that would match D's criteria. (E) These disturbances are better explained by another disorder Yes she appears to show signs of other disorders but mostly show signs of autism and it becomes more a apparent with cross examining. It then discusses if the individual has a previously diagnosed DSM-4 disorder like Asperger's, to diagnose them with ASD, autism spectrum disorder. When I was looking for a picture for this thread I found that she was in fact an autistic in the cannon. I determined it with DSM, so good on there part for making it match up with reality.

i'm not reading all of that but yeah(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

the fuarrrk kind of question is that of course she does(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

No because autism is not real. It was invented to subvert the truth.

C'mon everybody knows it's just the vaccines her daddy made her take as a kid. Not real autism.

Of course you have to take the context of the series into account. Whether or not she has autism depends on the creators of SEL. I believe that she was given these traits to show side effects of the cyberpunk dystopia. >extreme distress to small changes in cyb dystopia everything is constantly changing, and in SEL it is changing for the worse. Lain wants to have things the same to have some sense of stability. Degenerating back into childhood explains her bear suit. Being antisocial and obsessing over things makes sense in a cyb dystopia. Other characters do this too although it is not as obvious. >sensory input The whole show is like this, even in scenes without lain. >dark room Her monitor is the only bright thing. >therapy in 7th grade Autism manifests way earlier than that. The whole point of the show is that Lain is the way that she is because of our futuristic society, her being autistic would defeat the point. >autistic in the canon Source? According to DSM-V this would make half of Lainchans userbase autistic.

>>776 >According to DSM-V this would make half of Lainchans userbase autistic. Should we tell him? She is autistic in the cannon. I added further proof with the DSM-5 because I didn't know in till last minute. >>772 IK >>767 Sloth is a deadly sin

>>773 She is more internet then everyone in the earthynets

>>774 It was invented to sub-vert the truth Autistic are hyper intelligent aliens who came here to instate nazism and to inflate human women with zyclone B >>775 Vaccines are like plasmids from bioshock, they give you superhuman abilities like autism by altering your DNA.

>>776 Yes I was playing system shock and the cybernetic nanny was like >hi there hacker man I really like the green train from thomas the train engine, hacker man She was wearing a fur suit and everything, man I love cyberpunk.

>>777 I meant that if you have certain traits like being antisocial, etc. you are not necessarily autistic. The traits listed apply to people of many different personalities. >>780 Other characters in the show do not act like Lain I guess, instead they stick to vices and moral corruption.

>>781 I just went through the book used by actual psychologist to diagnose real people with autism. She is a cannon sperg as well. anon just eccept it, Lain is a sperg now

>>786 Ok but let me just add this: >Moderator: <Myu-Myu> to <Moderator>: Ueda-san, in an interview, you say that Lain is a form of cultural warfare against American culture and values. What are some examples of cultural warfare employed within the Lain anime? from http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lainchat.txt Chiaki Konaka said somewhere I don't remember where but he said that Lain was like a culturally Japanese person against everyone around her (Americans).

>>787 >Chiaki Konaka said somewhere I don't remember where but he said that Lain was like a culturally Japanese person against everyone around her (Americans). You really think some random old man can understand SEL? Who cares that they're the author—Only rarely have I seen an author understanding his creations. Look at the actual thing: Look at SEL itself! Reason from what is shown—And don't give me that crap about what the author considers canon: There is SEL: The show: 13 elegant Layers. (Episodes.) That is our data. What can we know from it?

Your posts are tl;dr. But attempting to diagnose fictional characters with mental illnesses is always a dump road to go down. These disorders are diagnosed by professionals after a long period of one-on-one clinical examination. Even if you could magically put the character into therapy, and your assumptions happened to be confirmed, it would only be a coincidence. You've got insufficient data to draw any legitimate conclusion.

>>764 >>765 people throw the word autism around so much it has lost all meaning as a diagnosis. Even doctors likely over diagnose autism. Having any kind of hobby at all can get you labeled as an autist. It's pretty disgusting and ignorant. We know a lot let about how our heads work than we think, which is already very little.

> why would a 14-15 year old girl, who isn't a furry, wear such a thing? Not related to autism at all

>>764 >Lain is a Sperg What if she is an android?

nah, i think it's more likely that she has multiple personality disorder. What you call sensory overload, probably is her just tapping into the schumann resonances, awakening her powers. The Lain in the wired doesn't show autism traits, nor does the fake /evil Lain. I think it's more likely the Lain we see in the first few episodes is just shy and anti-social

>>886 I think that it's even implied she may be synthetic, no?

>>893 she has as many personalities as there are different people to percieve her with a different personality. If 5 people envision 5 different lains, there are 5 different lains.