VRChat

Any lainons on VRChat? They have some pretty cool lain worlds, there's even a Cyberia where the guy who made the music for the series would livestream DJ there.

I don't go on VRChat alot, let alone in public worlds. When I do I usually hang out in the movie worlds or go world dumpster diving in the search results. (I've been trying to find some cool free quest compatible dragon avatars, but looks like I'll just have to model one to my liking myself.) >there's even a Cyberia where the guy who made the music for the series would livestream DJ there. Oooo I never knew that! That's cool as hell. I'll start looking up cyberia worlds if that's the case!

i too read about other lainons here hanging out at cyberia, seems like a cool place I wish i had the requirements to run vrchat though :(... have fun for me!

i would never install non-free software that i could not view the source code to however, it looks like a lot of fun jaron lanier constantly talks about how the difference between 3D and VR is that in 3D you go out and explore vast landscapes, whereas in VR the immersion comes more from tricking your brain into what You can Be, control over something besides human. But just like how people made kitchens and toilets in 3D games where they could go anywhere, people still haven't maximized this potential either.

>>6656 hey do you have VR? I'd be down to hangout I'm usually on every day.

My name is "install signal" on VRChat if anyone wants to add me. Let me know in this thread that you sent me a friend request with your name because I decline random friend requests.

I'm on vrchat all the time all day long, there are a lot of cool /cyb/ groups of people on there as well as programmers. The Chinese worlds are pretty based also, lots of crazy people from shenzhen talking all the time in Zhongwen Bar about electronics. My vrchat nick is TimothyMay feel free to add me.

>>6649 I do hang out a lot on vrc, anon. I'll drop a cool LcdDem inspired world soon but in the meantime. You can add me once I come back home and I drop the user link.

>>6649 A VRC thread! Nice of you to propose this, anon. The cyberia sounds pretty interesting.

i enjoy vrchat but some of the people on there are weird.

>>6649 I didn't use VrChat much but I'm getting parts for a new PC build. So after that I might jump back, in depending on how much activity this thread gets.

>>6690 I can agree, some people are just obnoxious. But there's plenty of cool anons that do meetups and such where they go world exploring. I do happen to hang out with some anons from the /vg/ /vrg/ thread on 4chan. The people from there who go to meetups are really nice.

I've always had an aversion to multiplayer games in general, and vr chat seems like it's all multiplayer and no game. the closest I get to online social interaction is places like this. vrchat just seems so overwhelming.

KEEP THIS THREAD ALIVE LAINANONS

>>6692 That's a good gondola Since there's groups now are there any suggestions for ones to join

>>6649 Hmm, I used to get on VRC a lot. Spent about six months straight on it, while I was unemployed. Then I went through a breakup, and in the process, made a major mess of the group of friends I was in. I don't use it much these days because there's no incentive for me to, with, yknow, having no one to talk to on it. Plus I just live a different lifestyle now and I find it hard to muster the desire to get on, especially with the bad memories. Then there's this little fear that if I started getting on it again, I'd slip back into the kind of person who would make those mistakes. It's not very reasonable, but I've worked really hard to learn from that mess and be a better person, and I don't wanna trip over the same thing I think the only thing that'd convince me to get on VRC again would be the opportunity to apologize to the people I wronged, but that's not exactly an everyday thing, and it wouldn't keep me there long Wow this ended up being more of a blogpost than I intended. Sorry for the brick of text lol

>>6702 I wonder how groups work... I'm not in one ATM but I would 100% join a lainchan group. (or lainchan approuved group) I'm wary about posting my username here ´w｀(sorry >>6685 i'd be down too every once in a while) >>6697 I slept for a bit in VRC for a friend yesterday. I had to leave after an hour or two because, turns out, its a bit hard to sleep with my setup

>>6649 >guy who made the music for the series would livestream DJ there I got to see him at a different VR club once, it was cool. He posts a lot of screenshots on his Twitter (@wasei_jj).

>>6707 that's awesome! I was hoping someone would post his socials on here. Glad he is still making new albums! :D

OP here, it's nice seeing an interest in this game. If you would be interested we could do a viewing of SEL once a week or so. Let me know your thoughts.

>>6649 Last time I got on vrc-- most of it was attention seeking forced humor and a bunch of 9 y/os. Are the lain related worlds any better?

>>6815 Cute lil idea! Wouldn't mind checking in for a rewatch. I'm already primarly using the movie worlds to watch stuff. >>6817 Lot of the front-facing public worlds seem to be like that, yeah. I imagine the lain related worlds are much better. (Haven't looked yet, didn't go on VRC in a while...) I imagine it would be unlikely for a kid to find a Cyberia world if it isn't on the front page of the world menu.

>>6818 Touche send more source engine memes that's fuarrrking great

>>7141 Are they still doing these? I would love to hang out with some fellow lainons over VRChat

>>7203 I haven't been that active recently. If you want information upon the events, there are usually posters inside the world which inform about upcoming events so just visit the Event-World and look for the poster. I advice you to use the Japanese timestamp or the first timestamp you can see and translate that to your timezone as the others are from my experience, usually completely wrong.

>>7214 Just found a poster in it that linked me into some Japanese server where they organize the stuff. Thx!

>>7216 Hey, can you send me a linkt to the server. I recently started being active again but I can't find the link you are refering to.

>>7252 https://discord.com/invite/HmvgUBh There you go

>>7257 >celebrating Lain on oppressive corporate spyware Repugnant.

>>7258 Lain used Apple devices. Though.

>>7257 Thank you! >>7258 VR doesn't work well on Linux and the communication system inside of VRChat is bad, so discord is used for any communication. Something more up your alley might have been the crowd around NeosVR, before that decided to kick the bucket and break apart because of crypto being forced into it.

>>7258 Can't win them all >>7260 >NeosVR mentioned Reminds me that Resonite launched. They don't like being called a "competitor" to VRchat and the likes, but it really is just a better NeosVR. Importing stuff into Resonite seems pretty straightforward. Looks promising. If I get better VR equipment and play more with the tech, I'll be hanging out over there. Going on VRchat just for those friends with Quest (sadge) Their funding looks like it's all patreon. No idea if they have funds outside of it.

>>7263 >VRchat just for those friends with Quest Yeah the Quest, both a blessing and a curse upon the game. I am interested in other people's thought on this, how will this develop assuming that the market for VR wont just die out in the next decade again. Will we rather see standalone devices like the Quest or devices that rather are an extension to the PC like the Vive and so on? The Quest is cheaper and easier to use for normal consumers, but does not offer any ability to really keep pace with changing requirements without buying a newer model, if such a thing exists. We already see the issue when wanting to play with friends, you have seen a pearl of a map but it is only accessible for PC users but also the number of people that have been brought to VR through the quest. I personally think that we will hopefully see the development of cheaper extensions of the PC, as at the end of the day, all it is, is a display, some sensors and controllers with hopefully general interchangeability between controllers in the future, as is already trying to be achieved with certain software like Driver4VR.

>>7273 >I am interested in other people's thought on this, how will this develop assuming that the market for VR wont just die out in the next decade again. To me standalone headsets are the smartphones of VR and I am not looking forward to the day VRC is perverted into a microcosm of the internet around 2010. PCVR only spaces will provide a refuge that the internet could not. Could you imagine how different 4chan/[beloved 00s site of your choice] would be if there had been a way to disable smartphone browsing/posting, or at least had an option to block the posts/threads of smartphone users?

I have an old, slow dell laptop with Linux on it. Seems like no Cyberia for me.

Mozilla Hubs is FOSS and made to work with pretty low spec devices, and even in a browser window. I'm too dumb to set up an instance though

>>6817 Recently The Wired Discord had a meetup They are another lain community that had their first VR meetup. Might be worth checking out for future events. https://discord.gg/TheWired https://vrchat.com/home/group/grp_3128a10d-98cf-4071-976e-7c51c41b66ce I will probably try collecting more interesting events and groups that fit to this board.

How is the VR support on Linux? This thread made me look up headsets and the Valve one is like $1200

Theres a few ways to do it on Linux. Traditional GPU passthrough to a VM is the go to for most people, though you'll get less overhead using a KVM instead of a full VM. I dont use one personally, but Ive heard a claim that its only about a 5% overhead running a Windows KVM from your Linux. YMMV obviously. As far as headsets go, its an awkward time for Steams flagship headset, the Index. We should be close to an announcement of a new one soon, but thats also been a running joke for the past near 2 years. The Quest 3 got released and while I wouldnt touch it with a 10 ft pole for reasons of who owns it, it is still a fantastic piece of hardware for what it is. If you want the VRC experience but dont want to drop alot of money on the newest, I would recommend trying to find a used Index or HTC Vive. A used Quest 2 is also in the cards, though to play with anyone above the age of 13 you'll need to cable it to your PC anyways with Airlink or Virtual Desktop, so you might as well go for a used wired headset anyways. The picture quality even on the original Vive still holds up, and the screen door effect is soon disregarded once you get used to it.

>>6649 i really like going to clubs in this game its weird going to a breakcore rave group with like 50 people, and all of them are talking about tech and games. some of these clubs were also really exclusive and only host once a month and get like 100 - 400 people lined up trying to get into one world my fav was going to a sewerslvt rave and finding a person who still uses multiple CRTs as a daily driver

>>7382 Never heard about this, but it seems interesting. >>7401 Linux is spotty. Rift and Rift S have open source drivers that work fairly well. I think the Vive does as well, but I haven't personally tried it. The only "new" headset is the Index, but it's starting to show its age and nowhere near as cheap as used zucc facehuggers. I've never tried GPU passthrough, but that's an option per >>7425

>>7141 > there is an interesting transhumanist community which you can find by just searching for transhumanist worlds/maps For anyone interested, the VR transhumanist group has disbanded. But the non-VR transhumanist group is still going strong. Here’s a link to their discord: discord.gg/tjBFSpFjRh

>>7401 You can get a Quest 2 off ebay or craiglist (what i did) for $100, then you root the soykaf out of it, iptables mark zuckerbegs crap, remove the "meta" account login, and use ALVR to play non-quest native games. Here's some guides on the process: https://blahaj.life/quest-account-logout And a spot to download old-firmware which might come in handy: https://cocaine.trade/ And ALVR on Github: https://github.com/alvr-org/ALVR/wiki/Installation/d155338ca2527fecfe4507600940572743be0dba

>>7260 Just going to say this once, because i'm still salty about it: crypto wasnt forced into Neos. It was there since 2018 as a simple little way you could tip people or as rewards for community events and to help fund things. Literally no one cared. It was when later in like 2022 or so when crypto became this partisan dirty word that the majority furry population of Neos started throwing a fit. Before then, the devs were all playfully pushing their crypto in livestreams, but once it became a hot issue on twitter, the devs distanced themselves and started trying to kill it because they didnt like being on the wrong side of public opinion (which is common furry behavior). No one should care, except a lot of Japanese users of Neos, completely divorced from Western political discourse, had no idea this was happening. Loads of Japanese users ate soykaf having bought a coin they weren't being told was being abandoned by devs as they hinted at on English channels coyly, while the furry dev team dumped their load on the open market and pointed fingers at one person, then claiming the crypto was all his idea. Worst thing is most of the Japs bought because they were trying to support the game they loved, and to this day very few really know what actually happened, they just believe "crypto was forced into it" cause its easier to understand

Sometimes I am hopeful that VR spaces could be free from the current day internet culture war garbage but I should know better than have my hopes up. >>7872 Technically you dont even need crypto to anonymously send money. GNU Taler and Paysafecard exist for example even gift cards and prepaid cards work and digital cards like Privacy to that ends. Takes away the hassle of converting crash to crypto and crypto back to cash.

>>7873 it wasn't anonymous, and it wasn't really meant for that afaik. It was just easy to send in-game and I think most people got theirs as a patreon tier reward. People threw it around as thanks for stuff, not anything private Also Taler isn't anonymous for the recipient and it isnt a non-seizable asset and doesnt really drop-in as a replacement for crypto. Im sure its cool for its own reasons

>>7874 Ah I see. Still basically akin to in game tokens so seems a weird roundabout way of doing things.

Is there any social VR on the horizon (no pun intended) or is the handful of platforms we have now all we are gonna have for a while? I just feel like theyre all stagnant. I think its stupid neither epic nor valve attempted to do social VR after how both companies observed players from tf2, gmod and fortnite use their game to socialize. But maybe thats for the best.

>>7876 Did some digging and this blog post https://ryanschultz.com/2024/04/08/an-updated-comparison-chart-of-15-social-vr-platforms-april-2024/ Only stuff standing out Code in some language made for in world use and design stuff https://resonite.com/ Open source https://overte.org/ "FOSS and decentralized" but I am unclear on if they really mean decentralized hosting or if they mean decentralized in some other way https://vircadia.com/ VR websites? https://janusvr.com/

>>7872 Do you mean Karel with the one person all blame was dropped onto? If you have more interesting information go and share it.

>>7880 I was half asleep when I wrote this. Some text got deleted, i meant to say that blog lead me to a few things, I only later realized it sounded like i wrote the blog post. Vircadia says it is FLOSS rather than FOSS. Im still unclear what they are referring to on the decentralized part.

>>7883 >>7880 Looking a bit more I think what Vircadia means by decentralized is self hosted worlds, maybe?

VRChat recently got a new Lain museum exhibit for the 25th anniversary. Each week has been adding an additional room expansion. It's modest in scope, but worth taking a peek at. https://vr.anique.jp/vrchat/lain-weird/

anyone here still playing? I was thinking of making a lainchan themed world where we could put pics and ideas posted itt inside it.

>>8089 New here. I may be able to help. I made a soykaf ton of maps for half-life back in the day. If it's anything like that world engine then I could probably give it a go. How do I / we get started? I got a good system but no vr headset, which having played VR before and only having a screen was fine. I think that should still be the case right?

>>8095 VRChat doesn't have its own map editor, instead you make it in Unity, which is nothing like Hammer, and upload it to VRChat from within Unity itself using a plugin. https://creators.vrchat.com/

>>8095 >>8096 I didn't proofread and compared the Unity _engine_ to the Hammer _editor_ but hopefully it still gets the point across.

>>8097 I got you. From what little I can see on that page I'll be able to adopt it. Is Udon anything special? I see there are c to udon compilers. Do you have a ton of experience in programming languages? I'm curious why every big gaming project seems to always come up with a "new programming language". People usually the say this usually results in some Frankenstein outcomes that usually aren't better. I'm curious why they always do this then.

>>8098 I don't actually have any experience with making stuff for VRChat other than an avatar and the last time I even played the game was before Udon was introduced, neither do I have much experience with high-level languages but I can try to explain some low-level aspects of Udon and why I think it exists. Udon scripts are compiled to Udon bytecode, bytecode is meant to be hardware independent so you would only have to compile once and let the clients interpret the instructions through a virtual machine. It's basically machine code for a virtual special-purpose processor which is why C# can be compiled for it using UdonSharp. There's also the security aspect (this is the interesting part), because the bytecode's functionality is limited to what the VM is programmed to do through its interface with the rest of the VRChat client it could prevent otherwise malicious code from being able to execute directly on your computer, i.e bytecode in avatars and worlds can't perform an action on your computer if the VM itself isn't capable of doing it. As for the node graph programming, it's meant to not be overwhelming and only focus on what's relevant to the game, making it more accessible.

>>8099 Thanks for the insight. My limited knowledge is this is sort of like assembly? And whatever is built to read the code either reads what it was programmed to read and it doesn't matter if there was an exploit in it because if the thing reading the code was net set to interpret that exploit then exploit doesn't work. I'm guessing this is sort of how an analogue chip works. Reading a bit more about UDON I found this: https://boxcat.site/blog/2022-10-10-udon/ Basically says "udon is slow, and recommends not to 'roll your own code' and instead use something like Lua". Lua also seems to be bytecode. And I found ChilloutVR, which uses Lua and says this "Lua is one of the oldest, but most-used purpose-made embedded scripting languages on the planet, and is used in many games and applications. While the syntax appears archaic, and lacks features that newer languages have, its simplicity gift it speed and efficiency unmatched by its competitors. Alpha Blend Interactive spent considerable time looking at alternatives, and after much research, ultimately decided that Lua was the best fit for our needs. We hope you enjoy creating with it!" I'm not suggesting switch to ChillVR. I'm just sharing what I read and I like to learn. Maybe Udon got better since that article was written in 2022.

The speed of Udon isn't particularly important as for the most part you never do anything complex with it when making a simple world. The only time it needs to be more complex than that is when you're trying to (poorly) imitate some other game within the vrchat system or sync a ton of variables across a large number of players (I saw this issue with a randomised sorting system on a map meant to pair you with a stranger to talk to). In regards to unity and hammer, unless you just intend to kitbash something together from existing assets you would be better off looking into blender than worrying about unity too much to begin. Most of the custom assets you might make for a map are going to be made there, then imported into unity in the same sort of way (conceptually) that you load a .mdl into hammer. I hope anon comes back with a map in the future, the reason I enjoy VR so much is because it's the closest you can get to being inside someone's mind, I feel.

Have 1300+ hours in VRC, Slackware 15.0 with some custom compiled newer versions of Mesa, Vulkan SDK, libdrm, pipewire, and ALVR. A rooted Pico 4 (you can run wireguard, termux, ssh, emacs, and GCC and write you some C or Lisp in VR). Buggy setup in general, spent dozens of hours bugfixing, had to write Rust and C++ code myself, stracing, hijacking linked libraries, modifying Vulkan layers, etc. But worked well enough in general for me. Enough to make half a dozen good friends, and find me a literal wife from half-across the planet (we're together for 2 years or so now, lived around 1 year of that together, then forced apart, because fuarrrk stupid countries and their brain-dead immigration laws).

I've been wanting to try getting more into VRC again, though being overly shy and cautious about joining public worlds stops me a lot. The DJ worlds and events seem cool though but I've yet to check any of those out.

What makes me uncomfortable about VRChat is the fact there are outrage bait YouTubers who use it and have no respect for privacy or minding their own business. This is part of why I was hoping someone could make a privacy focused one that helps prevent people recording what is going on and obscure motion detection to prevent identifying people by how they move and use tech against AI voice cloning of users. Have ability to operate on a meshnet or P2P not just central servers. Stuff like that.

Try Resonite instead. It has better features like in-game avatar creation, real-time procedural particles and shaders, and "personal bubbles" so that people outside your range can't hear your conversations.

I can't wait to get my hands on my Steam Frame to give VR another try. I had an Oculus Rift back then but lost interest in VR after the Zucc (he is like kicking dead whales down the beach) acquired Oculus. VRchat was a bit too chaotic for my taste but I guess I didn't know people / worlds that were interesting / worth visiting back then.

I've been thinking about it but I don't have a GPU... Not sure if I want to buy one for VRC, not even knowing if I'll enjoy it.

>>9367 (me) Nevermind, I found my old 1650 and it's running pretty well. I'm a noob thought, no idea what to do.