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The most of everything in the world is suffering and very little goodness What little good exists does not justify the suffering of living

So we exist to try and be part of what little good there is. “What a joy it is to do a good deed! And this joy is strongest if no one knows that you have done it.” – Leo Tolstoy.

lainon living is justfied by the metaphysical reasons we cannot understand buddha did not necessarily say you will end suffering but he said be self-disciplined and analzye oneself objectively rather than analyzing oneself through shared principles or conceptions or dogma

Most people are sadistic evil cunts Humanity is a disgrace, a species of retarded, power hungry apes that'll commit rape and genocide if they need to To hell with them all

>>95831 >And this joy is strongest if no one knows that you have done it. I don't know why cooks say that, but it's not true. There is no point in doing anything good when no one perceives it, and it only makes you feel worse. Better to kys

This world is the devil's playground right now. Deceiver phony christians do everything they can to make people ignore that detail in the KJV Bible.

>>95827 I used to keep living by assuming I don't understand much (without watching SEL, seriously) and by rejoicing I can slowly improve my life if I look somethng important up every day. >>95837 No. The action is there anyway; yet it won't leave a *trace* of being "misunderstood on purpose" later

>>95837 Then why do anything good ever? Just for the affirmation for the good act? No, the act of doing something good just to be good is what brings joy. It does not happen instantly, you don't get an instant rush of dopamine. But over time, doing these things start to make you feel better about yourself and the world around you. Merry Christmas :]

>>95827 More and more people I know end up being caught as pedophiles I'm tired of respecting someone only to turn up disappointed

>>95857 The only person you should respect is yourself. Otherwise only sadness will await you.

living to augment that goodness the best you can is good :) PRESENT day!!!

You can be bitter and sad if you want, I guess. Ain't gonna bring me down, chummer. Mary Crusmus

wot is this i don't even All of you appear to be ignorant to 1,000's of years of human culture that say, "Do good, because the secret invisible Gods say so." What I say is keep an open mind. If there is no reason to do evil, then why do evil, when we all naturally desire that which is good? When you commit an evil deed, you participate in the evil that afflicts you, the cycle of evil, and that cycle of evil plagues human existence. I am putting my money on there being a judgment after death, not necessarily one that we have any conception of, but perhaps something like it. Every culture has more or less spoken of such a thing for thousands of years and there are many mysteries in life and many strange things...thing which defy our 'scientific understanding', as well. The fact that there is more suffering and evil than good is acceptable to declare. That doesn't necessary mean that you can't live in objection to that and that doesn't necessarily mean that we are all damned.

>>95859 PRESENT time! Ahahahaha

>The most of everything in the world is suffering and very little goodness You write like a child, are you old enough to post here? But that aside what is your proposed solution to right that wrong? You say that suffering is "not justified", so then you want to defy the material world? Which is not gonna happen.. Or have everyone dead so that they're "saved" from all the suffering? The twisted logic only someone with mental illness has to "solve" all the pain in the world? >>95835 >Humanity is a disgrace, a species of retarded, power hungry apes that'll commit rape and genocide if they need to Well, don't anthropomorphize people as a whole. You don't get angry at a dog that barks, or develop a grudge against a child. There's underlying psychology that requires to be understood rather than getting yourself offended by. >>95837 Can't believe the Grinch posts on lainchan of all places. >>95855 >>95859 >>95863 Merry present day!

>>95869 >You don't get angry at a dog that barks, or develop a grudge against a child Because a young child or a dog lack the cognitive ability to fully understand good and evil, moron

>>95869 It unironically would be better if there was no life The solution isn't suicide but rather abstaining from reproducing

>>95871 >It unironically would be better if there was no life I respect your stance on not continuing your loser genes but to say that everything would be better if the universe was just a desolate collection of space rocks this doesn't convince me. Maybe there's a middle ground. And maybe it's for us to strive to reduce undue suffering. Maybe pleasure is not all that there is to life. Maybe some suffering is even necessary to be a resilient life. Maybe our boy Schoppie just had some sort of depression. Currently as we speak there's people genetically close to me being thrown into a meat grinder just so some few others can profit from it and buy themselves another datchya. It's through some sheer circumstantial luck I don't have to worry getting picked up by a van of zogbots to be thrown on the front line. The world is cruel and you have to use your head and your strength to evade that cruelty. Sometimes that doesn't work out. But at least you had a shot at it. Maybe you're having a bad time, but this defeatism isn't the only option. It's just that the alternative is to struggle and that's hard. I understand. Suffering as I see it is the result of losing at life and this can come very unfairly and to those who might have deserved it the least. But a life that has been earned I think there's something to that. More so than to a life of someone who has been born with a golden ticket to not have to endure any of it and you can see how crazy and guilt ridden this makes some people like that. Or a species which arrives at the right time and place to flourish only to then deplete the local resources and then starve with the rest. Reducing life to a simple pleasure vs pain calculation I don't think that gives it or its complexity the due justice.

>>95870 >Because a young child or a dog lack the cognitive ability to fully understand good and evil Children and animals often understand more than you think. While grown up adults often don't understand as much as one would like. While a single person might be wise, a crowd devolves to its most common denominator which is that of an animalistic base instinct. Hence the imbecile is you if you haven't recognized that.

>>95874 >zogbots Stopped reading there Get some help, schizo

>>95875 >While a single person might be wise, a crowd devolves to its most common denominator which is that of an animalistic base instinct I don't see how that goes against what I posted unless you think a primal brain is some how superior to the more advanced portions of our brains

>>95874 The military is more for human experimentation and enforcement of the world order, conflicts are largely exaggerated and fabricated - those with close ties to you know who have control over the whole earth. That's why they can get away with everything.

>>95879 Is it Aliens??????????

>>95827 >bad things more than good things, world bad Another quality post on lainchan, keep them coming.

>>95882 Earthly kings never went away, they just pretend their puppets have power while they are unknown. They are long lived, and remember the previous civilization.

The world around you is a reflection of your own mind.

>>95827 This discussion seems to be about existence and ethics. What it is truly about is the emotional state of the people involved in it.

>>95887 the world around you is the world you have been taught by others is around you. you overestimate the importance and independence of your own judgement

>>95889 Look. I am a nervous person who forgets to drink his sedatives (not prescribed a thing so i have no "hardcore downers") I had a blissful moment once in my life. I woke up in an empty hotel room. No thoughts. Head empty. In retrospect, it was beautiful. I want it back.

>>95884 Does that mean long lived as in they live longer than others? Do you mean the human civilization (or generations) preceding ours or do you mean the civilization that preceded humanity's civilization?

People are a disappointment Most people have a disgusting history hidden in their closet A lot of people I looked up to were outed as sexual predators I'm tires of this species

>>95877 Even from adults you can't expect to always evaluate everything on a "good vs bad" basis. And especially in groups they will most often operate solely on vibes. At some point you aren't dealing with rational individuals but a mindless crowd. I don't fault you for your autism but thus act and plan accordingly.

>>95894 They're rich humans, they have lots of lost, forbidden, and cutting-edge techniques to extend their age. They seized complete control during the destruction of the previous civilization, and now control the earth while hiding their existence.

>>95906 >At some point you aren't dealing with rational individuals but a mindless crowd. That doesn't go against the OP message and even validates it A mindless crowd can achieve such disastrous goals like voting in war criminals like Bill Clinton or turning a blind eye to atrocities like the genocide in Myanmar I would say humans are more evil in crowds than they are as individuals

There are different tiers of evil in humans Most humans are evil but obviously not Albert Fish levels of evil Rather, they are a lower evil, one that equates to voting for war-hungry politicians This level of evil has a person hurting people not directly but through a proxy such as a president Most people are selfish bastards I believe true evil exists, I've witnessed it

For anyone to appear righteous, one need only believe that the world is corrupted. But to be truly righteous, one must know that the world has always been innocent, and that it has never escaped it. When one sees that pure innocence, perhaps one can begin to forgive it, while taking care as not to be foolish enough to deny the possibility of growing beyond it.

>>95915 I don't think the world is innocent Far from it This world requires its creatures to eat or be eaten The material world is inherently evil

>>95911 I suppose I wasn't clear enough. At some point a crowd of people is less like a collection of individuals and more of a force of nature. You don't try to argue with the ocean throwing waves your way, you try to ride or evade them. The people in Myanmar had the misfortune of getting some rough waters, my condolences but what am I supposed to do about this? And I do see in what way you seem to have interpreted what I've said to affirm OP's r/Im14AndThisIsDeep post but going from bad things happen to people are evil and from there to life should not be cuz suffering, now that's where you probably should take a break from the internet for a while. Since this is the same twisted retard logic that PETA uses to kidnap pets from people's porches to then euthanize them because in their mind this is so much better and they've just totes increased the overall happiness in the world! If you're that kind of person then you might be confused, or bitter, but either way you're evil in my book. >>95915 doesn't seem too far off. I don't think the world is either good nor evil but same as >>95913 I'm not blind to the fact that evil does exist. But instead of trying to rage quit the whole thing I also believe there's other ways to deal with it. >>95917 Very edgy. But you're not wrong that the world is often cruel. But in rare instances it isn't, otherwise there would be no reason for the hare to bother to run for its life when chased by the wolf. Perhaps you're still processing the shock of having realized how harsh reality can be outside of the first world comforts but everyone and anything else makes due and life carries on. >>95908 You got me curious about the logistics now. Are these people hiding in plain sight disguised as celebrities or CEOs or are they puppeteer everything from some old castles? And are they in competition with the new elites who're building bunkers in New Zealand? And what would even be their purpose or use to cause the situation that we're in right now? What would possibly be their plan?

What, you can't see the good within, murder, raping, killing, exploiting, and destroying? You can't see the goodness within evil? Then your understanding is lacking. Go back to the cave. You say that the material world is inherent evil. Then why don't you kill yourself? You can't? If you're to answer that your inability to kill yourself somehow proves evil and killing yourself would also somehow proves evil, then your claim would be meaningless. Creatures eat each other? So damn fuarrrking what, does that mean there's no inherent good in it? Does killing a dog to feed a homeless person merit no merit? Give me a break. Killing a man to feed em to rats have no merit? Give me a break. Sacrificing animals and humans and gods by itself has no merit? Give me a break. Don't shut your eyes too tightly out from the goodness in evil. These examples, however, are modes in sacrifice. What you seem to mistake is that all things are necessarily sacrifices and cruel zero sum games, when it doesn't have to be so. There are other and better modes of being. But that is not to deny the nature of sacrifice, which is only one aspect of a reality you've yet to fully contemplate to overflowingness. Ground your metaphysics and claims in understanding and contemplation instead of corrupted christian Original Sin doomerisms about "inherent evil" that excuses whatever dissociation you were inflicted with because of your circumstances. If you really truly believe in inherent evil, then don't half-ass your belief in evil. Evil in eventually will self-destruct and end itself because of its own nature. Everything's abstractable, we're all connected. The world bears the original sin of innocence.

>>95923 >you can't see the good within, murder, raping, killing, exploiting, and destroying? no and I think you're a garbage person if you do If you think rape has merit than maybe I should break in to your mother's house and bend her over After all, there is good within evil This world requires others to inflict suffering inorder to survive Try being eaten by a lion and remind yourself of the good within the evil >Then why don't you kill yourself? I have family If I didn't then I'd an hero >corrupted christian Original Sin I'm not christian I purely base my views on my own experiences And in my experiences I can conclude most people are evil I really couldn't give a soykafless about your outdated metaphysics You can shove that soykaf back up your ignorant ass

>>95920 >You don't try to argue with the ocean throwing waves your way Because an ocean isn't trying to commit genocide or rape >the same twisted retard logic that PETA uses to kidnap pets I really have no idea what you mean by this

>>95915 I don't care about being righteous I don't think I'm better than most people I just think most people are evil, and that includes me

>>95917 Why try to apply human standards of morality onto nature? Plants and animals don't understand or think about the world like we do. We have the benefit of thousands of years of philosophy and being able to think about such things. A wolf kills and eats a rabbit. It does not think about what killing something means or why is killed something. It could not if it wanted too. Nature is cruel but it isn't malicious, it just exists.

>>95934 The point is that the material world is built on suffering and who ever designed it is a sadist In nature it's kill or be killed, and the suffering of the killed outweighs the pleasure of the killer It's obviously ridiculous to expect wild animals to conform to human made concepts of ethics, but that's not the point The point is the world and its contents are designed to cause suffering on one another

How amusing that you say that "you're a garbage person if you do" when given such extreme examples. Because you're right! You recognize evil and reject it, isn't that already good? But you are dissociated, you keep saying that "the material world is evil, everything is evil" while ignoring the good that comes out from your rejection of evil, that this and that is evil, you're being stupid. You are connecting the dots out of animalistic revulsion and disgust but you're dissociating yourself from it, you're not even putting much thought into it, saying "all of this is evil" but failing to see the goodness within you and all things. You say that you aren't Christian but you're not much different than them. The difference is they think they're pure evil and destitute permanently and think that only Jesus can save them, while you think that you're pure evil while being dissociated from the goodness that is inherent within all things with no chance of redemption. Both of these positions are confused, lazy, and lacking in contemplation. And as for your kind suggestion to rape my own mother, thank you, I won't be doing that, because I recognize that it is cruel and damaging, but I recognize as well that there is good in it as well, like the pleasure of eating an animal, the pleasure in exploiting slaves and manipulating men and women with lies, but I won't be doing that, because I recognize that it is a mode of sacrifice in dissociation and evil, and so I turn away from it. THAT IS GOOD. I have said before that though an aspect of the world is built on sacrifice, it is a part but not the whole. Sacrifice can both be good and evil, in good it is sacrifice, in evil it is domination and dissociation. Stop fuarrrking dissociating from the consequences of your own worldview and complete it. Go to your cave and meditate on it more instead of dooming out online. There's a world beyond sacrifices, but you must be willing to dive into the mud to find the diamond it hides. If you keep avoiding it, all the world will simply be your enemy, and you yourself will be your enemy. You people say "I'm not trying to appear righteous~" while making claims about how the world is all evil and irredeemable. Give me a breeeaaak, should I keep punching you and say that I'm not actually punching you too to prove a point? We're all connected. All evil can be turned into good, it doesn't mean that evil doesn't exist, nor does it mean that evil is good, and you're all too stuck on human conceptions of morality. Break out of that damn fake line and connect to the wired. You are no different than a rock and a dog and a computer and a tree and a human and a piece of jewelry or a piece of soykaf, even though there is a difference. But you only see a difference because you have not grasped the fundamental nature of reality that generates that difference, only clinging onto your view through human eyes. Don't be a coward. Think harder. There is good in you, even if you're a damned demon that devours everything. You are on the cusp of moving beyond it. Don't fuarrrking dissociate, go harder and go further. There's goodness and innocence everywhere. (For anyone to appear righteous, one need only believe that the world is corrupted. But to be truly righteous, one must know that the world has always been innocent, and that it has never escaped it. When one sees that pure innocence, perhaps one can begin to forgive it, while taking care as not to be foolish enough to deny the possibility of growing beyond it.)

>>95937 I do believe there is good in the world, I just believe the majority of everything is evil and that what little there is doesn't justify living >failing to see the goodness within you and all things LoL I'm not a good person by any means >to rape my own mother My analogy envolved ME raping YOUR mother But again, I have no clue how you can find any "good" in objectively evil acts like rape or slavery I think you're a but fuarrrked in the head to think that >Stop fuarrrking dissociating from the consequences of your own worldview How am I avoiding my own worldview? >You people say "I'm not trying to appear righteous~" while making claims about how the world is all evil and irredeemable. I don't care enough to be righteous I'm purely venting my frustration with the world I don't think I'm better than anyone and I think I'm evil myself >All evil can be turned into good, So people like Alber Fish or Jeffery Dahmer are redeemable? >There's goodness and innocence everywhere I'm not seeing it Forests and sunsets may be beautiful but they aren't "goodness" Beauty doesn't justify suffering

>>95869 You are proving their point by forcefully pitting your will against theirs and trying to make them succumb to your perspective. How do you not see this? There are counterpoints you can make and counterarguments you can make, yet, you are reinforcing these perspectives by attacking the person and not their point. This is just one of many examples of the nihilism we all find ourselves in. The ones who are arguing against this ghastly truth of our modern Being are just keeping the wheel oiled up, not knowing what it is they are applying oil to.

Modern psychology doesn't help anyone, it purely brainwashes you and convinces you that your problems are only mental and has nothing to do with the broken, soykafty system we live in They'll throw pills your way, waste your time with therapy but they'll never build a system worth living in they don't care, they just want to jam pills down your throat so you'll shut up about real life problems and get back to work That's all it's about, convincing you therapy and meds will fix all your problems so you'll be back to your dead end job Most of all mental problems are caused by living in a dysfunctional system, not earning a living wage, climate change, political instability etc As someone who has been committed 15 times, I can safely say half all mental health "professionals" have no fuarrrking clue what hey're doing and will just throw whatever bullshit your way so you'll shut up about how terrible the system is Last month, in a paychward, I had a "doctor" who thought everything was a cognitive distortion and that I shouldn't worry about the future. he was trying to convince me it was my own fault that I think the future is hopeless That retard was obsessed with this antianxiety book from the 80's and thought every mental problem could be fixed with whatever outdated information was in it I've been in hospitals that were closer to concentration camps than treatment centers There is very little standard when it comes to how a psychward should be ran Another ridiculous concept they force upon you is the idea you have to forgive your abusers Forgiveness is castration, letting your abusers get away with harming you or your family is fuarrrking pathetic I want revenge against the bastards who hurt me and my family forgiveness is useless, it's completely natural to be angry and want your enemies hurt Forgiveness is praised as healing but I can't bear the thought of my abusers just getting away with it, I want to see them in pain Little soykaf like a guy cutting in front of you in traffic should be forgiven, abuse or rape shouldn't Wanting revenge is natural and should be the promoted path Forgiving abusers just leads to more abuse, more victims It's fuarrrking ridiculous that you're expected to "forgive" your abuser and let them get away with what they did

>>95977 You're only proving his point, retard

>>95971 get em boi, i believe in ya i recon my therapist wouldn't shut up about jews. hed constantly draw analogies to jews fleeing to vichy france from some book. this was in response to telling him that most people are stupid and act on own interests, consistently offending their own previous positions; without noticing contradictions. I also asked him why it is that when i was young i had interests in books -primary chemistry. But others my age were more concerned with retarded sexual jokes.

>>95991 >most people are stupid and act on own interests, consistently offending their own previous positions; without noticing contradictions. Amen to that brother

>>95971 This... vengeance is interesting because is a prosocial endeavor that even very otherwise "psychopathic" people undertake. (whether they understand that... I can only guess) I intuit that there is something psychic that distorts this- maybe because vengeance is a malignant response in the everyday, it has to be tainted with a perception of darkness?

>>95995 Those in power are deserving targets for vengeance, so of course they will demonize the impulse. >>95971 Those who are not angry when there is just cause for anger are immoral. Anger is good when it drives you to kill evil. They don't want you to kill evil. Simple as. The situation is unjust.

>>95995 >>95997 They'll call us antisocial for wanting revenge against our abusers but they won't say a damn thing about the politicians that send bombs killing innocent civilians, the billionaires that profit off of literal slave labour or the sexual predators that infest the entertainment industry These cunts turn a blind eye to justice

Humanity is a cancer not only to the planet but to ourselves Humans constantly hurt each other for the dumbest reasons and we're constantly told by selfish retards to forgive our abusers but all forgiveness does is let the abuser get away with whatever horrific act they committed I hate the human race, the constant rapes, theft, murders etc I don't see ourselves lasting another 200 years and I really fuarrrking hope that prediction comes true We cause more harm and destruction than good I just want to stay in my fuarrrking room til I die, I don't want to socialize with these retarded apes Life is not worth living

>>96031 amass some knowledge to exploit it then. dont strain yourself achieving this, but have it a sub current. also cute pic.

>>95920 >>95908 >Are these people hiding in plain sight disguised as celebrities or CEOs or are they puppeteer everything from some old castles? I doubt they ever show their faces. Even people like the rothschilds are just their minion puppets - "rothschild" means red shield, they're shields and masks for the real powers. >And are they in competition with the new elites who're building bunkers in New Zealand? People don't become rich, powerful, or famous without connections. New elites don't come from nowhere they always have backing, and that backing always leads back to the most powerful preexisting earthly forces - they are subservient to the old powers, they're just fresh blood for the machine. >And what would even be their purpose or use to cause the situation that we're in right now? What would possibly be their plan? The bunkers are a big hint, they're hoarding and stockpiling resources. They're continuously clawing power away from surface dwellers and pushing them to produce more food & supplies with less, so they can hoard more and more supplies. This has been going on for a long time, the huge "government cheese caves" is just what they publicly admit.

>>96031 necessity is the mother of invention there are very deep reasons for living but it is likely not pleasure

>>95931 lol that meme. genuinely laughed out loud to myself

>>96031 trying to better society is always an option

>>96045 I used the word pleasure in a very loose sense But there is still more suffering than fulfillment >>96047 Trying to change society as one man is futile Especially in this age of the American NWO

>>96048 having an affect on a humans is more impactful than you'd think and is quite satisfying. As humans, we have progressed quite a lot in terms of morals and health since the start. it has always been a slow, collaborative effort.

>>95971 All too true, its all there just to patch up the holes in the system. But did you consider the idea that maybe the ones in psychiatry and co are doing all this just to convince themselfs there is nothing wrong and their inaction leads to reward. >>96031 This is too true, even when its not deliberate, which is the smaller subset of reasons as people hurt one another all the time for no reason. Take for example all the crap in the supermarket, people think its a good thing having all that produce available there, but look at how much is wasted and improperly recycled due to demand. Even when taking just the things that people do to each other with good intentions, the list of crimes commited daily is almost endless, even when people do not intend to harm each other they do so often. The people spouting all this forgiveness crap are the same people doing it and the people believing them are the ones who choose to turn a blind eye to such crimes. There is no excuse for such an existence and almost every day i wake up i curse this wretched existence. >>96044 The rich and powerful, no matter how powerful they think of themselfs are powerless and completely at mercy of the masterminds. The ones who do the thinking, they are not human and not suspicable to any weakness or vulnerablity. It is obvious what their short term goals are, but the question is with that much power and force, what could their long term goals be when they already control the earth. The more i look there more i am convinced they do all of this to humiliate and degrade people, because they know and hate humanity. They hate the ones who work for them the most, because they know their motivations and it will be them who will lose it all first, knowing that the bigger ones will become the tiny ones, this is the most degrading and humiliating fate there can be for man. >>96046 Its a good meme, there should be more memes made from that theme.

>>96049 I'm really quite done socializing with people They tend to be judgemental pricks I'm tired of being forced to interact with such a hateful, ignorant race >>96050 >But did you consider the idea that maybe the ones in psychiatry and co are doing all this just to convince themselfs there is nothing wrong and their inaction leads to reward. I have not but I wouldn't be surprised You brought up a good point with wastefulness We certainly waste an unsustainable amount of useful resources just to turn a profit Not to mention all the materials we waste with disposable packaging

>>95935 I totally agree, in fact there is a beautiful way of total harmony and composition by touch instead of composition by deconstruction. It just takes a genius to design such a universe. Ours is designed by the laziest mathematician ever.

>>95932 >I really have no idea what you mean by this There's been multiple incidents and also lawsuits of PETA workers stealing dogs and cats from their owners to then kill them because "animals shouldn't be pets". It's the same kind of twisted idiot reasoning as to say nobody should be living because nature and other people can be terrible. >Because an ocean isn't trying to commit genocide or rape Do you know how many sunken ships there are on the ocean floor? Do you know what a metaphor is or are you even capable of abstract thought? My point was that a crowd of people is a mindless beast in itself and you better try to not have it catch your scent. I'm always surprised how you absolute retards manage to find this board. >>95934 >Plants and animals don't understand or think about the world like we do. Arguably most of the human population doesn't think as we do. >>95935 >>96052 >believing in God >but also that he's an evil moron ngmi >>96047 Plant the seeds of hope and wisdom, brother! But to understand OP correctly, life itself is evil because the world genuinely isn't a nice place, with only a few places that are actually habitable by anything with more than two cells and only the few refuges of peace and calm that we must maintain with sweat and sometimes blood. Is that a correct summary? And if so, what am I supposed to do with that information? Just live on and try to make the best of it or end your suffering. Seriously, why are these pitiful nihilistic threads getting so much activity here? Is whining and moaning and being angry at the world really that pleasurable to you? What an absolute waste of bandwidth.

>>96051 well, if you think socializing might not be so great at times, you can also help out with donations to education and health. people would be better educated and hopefully the newer generations can be much more intelligent than we are >>96055 you reap what you sow

>>96055 Sorry to disappoint but I don't steal pets off of porches >My point was that a crowd of people is a mindless beast in itself and you better try to not have it catch your scent. Funny enough, I agree with this >>believing in God >but also that he's an evil moron If god loved his people he wouldn't force them to die in genocides, be raped or addicted to drugs It's not that I believe in god, it's more that the gnostic concepts of the demiurge are the only ideas of god that make sense to me All other forms of theism is just Stockholm syndrome to me >Is whining and moaning and being angry at the world really that pleasurable to you? Nothing is pleasurable to me, you glitterboy, I merely want to vent but you found my thread and decided it hurt your feelings so you waste your time making retarded arguments in an attempt to curve the antinatalism discussion in this thread You acting like a egotistical retard isn't going to make me abandon my views and suddenly see the light in the world You're exactly the type of person wrong with this world You aren't bitching about any real issues but you suddenly have to hold the high ground when a few depressed losers talk to each other You should fuarrrking kill yourself to prevent tainting the gene pool

>>96055 When I looked into incidents of PETA members kidnapping and killing pets, mainly dogs there were reports they target racial minorities more. They also run animal shelters that have the highest rates of euthanizing the animals more than any other. The head of PETA has also openly displayed her hatred of dogs.

>>95827 wow, how original and insightful. You should write a book about it.

>>96077 if op plays their cards right they can be the subject of several "da darkest philosopher evar!!1!" youtube videos

>>96066 unapologetically a loser but at least you're somewhat aware of it >>96089 mainlander

>>96089 Thats the dream, lady >>96090 >unapologetically a loser You're not far from it yourself, cunt

Why are people so obsessed with evil? Why are people so obsessed with other people's evil deeds? Why are people obsessed with paying attention to evil people? What's the point of worrying about being good or bad if you're going to end up dead anyway? It even seems that people remember you more for being evil than for being nice... and people truly die when they are forgotten, not when their bodies turn to compost or ashes. Just ask yourself the following questions: How many people remember Gerald Anderson Lawson, Guillermo González Camarena or José Alberto Mujica? One of them was even assassinated for his achievements, and the other suffered several assassination attempts. It is upsetting that no one honors the memory of these heroes. Meanwhile, how many people continue to talk ad nauseam about Adolf Hitler, John Wayne Gacy or Pablo Escobar? I mean, they have countless media outlets commemorating their names and legacies! I'm sick and tired of people not letting these idiots just die already. And the trend continues. How many thumbnails with texts like “this guy is worse than you think” or “this situation is terrible” you see daily in your feed? I know the answer, and so do you: morbid curiosity. Sensationalism sells. People want to see drama; they need to see that there are people worse off than them so they don't feel bad about themselves. It's pitiful. Even the good people I mentioned earlier may have had some evil inside them, but they had incredible willpower and managed to lock it away in a safe in the darkest part of their being. I believe that is what makes a person truly good, or at least worthy of being remembered and not truly dying. Now it's up to you: instead of continuing to focus on the negative or trying to be cynical, try to make a change. What will you do? If you choose the status quo, I don't think you're as good a person as you thought you were; I even think you like to see the world as a bad place. Crimes, wars, sadism, humiliation... I suppose that's more entertaining for you, isn't it? In case you wonder: The drawing is a satire I made after seeing one of those stupid and annoying thumbnails that make me angry just looking at them. I don't want to, but I'm already considering creating a YouTube account just so I can click “not interested.” It's upsetting when you just want to listen to music or do something else more productive and this crap keeps popping up nonstop. Made with Xpaint, a soykafty mouse and so much hate.

>>96108 >they need to see that there are people worse off than them so they don't feel bad about themselves Freud level projection

>>96090 despite my snarky "darkest youtuber" comment i'm actually a fan of mainländer. he's coherent. op and people like >>96031 are more like benatar i.e. glitterboys

>>96108 We "focus" on the "negative" because most of the world is evil You listed men who were subject to assassination attempts, is that not proof that people are violent apes? My "fixation" with evil isn't because of curiosity or admiration, I simply believe there is more evil than good and I felt to vent on this board because of it I think viewing the world through a "positive" lens is simply deluding yourself Therapy is just brainwashing, it convinces you everything is fine while the world is being destroyed, people are being raped and you can barely afford to live There will always be more suffering than joy, there will always be more selfish dicks than decent people

>>96119 mainlander was just the edgiest that i could think of, but hes really just fuarrrking insane. those like benatar are angsty teen philosophies

>>96119 >>96126 >Le edgy It's not an actual argument against misanthropy Simply calling an idea edgy isn't the outstanding defense you think it is It just shows you know nothing about the topic and can't defend your own views with actual arguments Retards have called atheism edgy but it's more than likely the truth

>>96128 i dont really think being misanthropic is such an outlandish take since most humans are evil. but there still are quite a lot of normal people in this world so theres not really a need to just be constantly in hatred over their existence. guess it just depends how misanthropic you are. the difference between "yeah i dont really interact with my neighbors because i dont like them" and "i want to slaughter my neighbors entire family"

>>96128 None of the replies have anything to do with misantrophy

>>96130 The entire thread is about misanthropy dafuq you on?

>>96129 >but there still are quite a lot of normal people in this world A lot, but not most >i want to slaughter my neighbors entire family I don't want to kill anyone nor advocate for it

>>96120 To be 100% honest, I don't completely agree with everything you say, although some things do make sense to me. First, I do admire a person who maintains their stance and ideology no matter how “controversial” it may be. I think that perhaps you and I share the idea that what people today refer to as 'morality' is nothing more than a kind of contemporary bargaining chip. By this I mean that many people pretend to be concerned about ethical issues because being seen as a good person is a “long-term investment,” if you know what I mean. That's why many psychopaths and fake empaths use your positive emotions to their advantage; from a purely pragmatic perspective, it is better to have you on their side than against them. It's sad, but true. >>is that not proof that people are violent apes? In my country, we have a saying: "Hasta entre perros hay razas." which translates as "Even among dogs there are breeds." By this I mean that, perhaps, we are indeed violent apes, but there are apes who, for example, would not hesitate to kill and dismember a child; but there are apes who would not do so, nor would we do so to other animals. In my case, it is not a question of morality, but rather of honor, which is a concept that is unique to each individual. However, I tend to be very violent toward people who have hurt me or simply made me angry, to the point of barbarism. And at the same time, there are people who wouldn't hurt their worst enemies. >>My "fixation" with evil isn't because of curiosity or admiration, I simply believe there is more evil than good and I felt to vent on this board because of it You shouldn't. Don't get me wrong, not because it's “wrong” to do so, but rather because you really don't gain anything from it. What for? To prove a point? I think that's only valid in a serious, face-to-face debate, not in an anonymous image board in a thread that we'll probably forget about in a month... maybe less, maybe more. I participate in these threads with the aim of improving my writing, spelling, and knowledge of English, as well as analyzing myself: Why do I believe in what I write? But really, I know that less than 5% of people are interested in what I have to say (the fact that only you bothered to read my crap is proof of that). I really know that I'm not going to change people, nor are they going to change me. I think it's better to focus on more productive things. For example, you could write a book expressing your thoughts. Something good could come of it and, today more than ever, we need thinkers. People are becoming worryingly stupid and lazy. >>Therapy is just brainwashing, it convinces you everything is fine while the world is being destroyed, people are being raped I mean, can you really do anything about it? I don't think so, so why pretend to care? People call me cold and unsympathetic when I see news stories about people suffering and my only thought is, “Oh well, life goes on.” It's not that I “don't care,” but why the hell should I cloud my mind with things I can't change? My life is already in such a mess that I can't pretend to be a superhero. To quote a certain series: >> Do you want poor people to have homes? >> Yes! >> Are you going to build them? >> No... >> So what good was the “yes”? You're not Batman or whatever, which leads me to... >> and you can barely afford to live Here I have to bring you back down to earth: Fight to change it. That's something you can change. Excuses are just cheap conformism. I mean, people worry about what's going on in the damn world, but they barely have control over themselves. How are you going to help others if you can barely manage your own life? First change yourself, then worry about others. I think that's the answer you need: Everyone for themselves. Even though many will label you as evil and insensitive, I'll say it again: people are hypocrites who have no control over their own lives but pretend to want to change the flow of the world. >>I think viewing the world through a "positive" lens is simply deluding yourself >>There will always be more suffering than joy Okay? So what now? Kill yourself because the world is cruel? I don't think so. If you haven't done it, it's for a reason. I'm not telling you to be "always positive! :-D", just try enjoying more the good moments in life, even the smallest ones like eating an ice cream. Try to make the most of whatever amount of good fortune fate decides to lend you. If positive things are indeed fewer, then I believe we should value them more than negative things, like a fine and valuable piece of art, don't you think? Or do you prefer smelling feces all day? >>there will always be more selfish dicks than decent people To this I can only say: Fight not to be one of them. The world is already screwed up enough without you wanting to take away instead of adding, right? Once again, thank you for taking the time to read my wall of text. That's proof that not everything is crap and that there are people out there who are worthwhile. I beg you, don't change that.

>>96134 > I don't completely agree with everything you say, You don't have to >what people today refer to as 'morality' is nothing more than a kind of contemporary bargaining chip Indeed >I tend to be very violent toward people who have hurt me or simply made me angry I do as well >What for? I choose to believe these things because I consider them true and I want to be honest with myself I view "positive thinking" as lying to oneself, I don't want to delude myself just for the comfort of happiness >can you really do anything about it? I may not be able to prevent every rape or war crime but I can prevent making matters worse by not burying my head in the sand >First change yourself I'm working on it >Kill yourself because the world is cruel? Eventually >just try enjoying more the good moments in life, I try But the happy moments are fleeting >Fight not to be one of them I do

>>96063 Huh, in what sense? Salt towards my reply? >>96066 >Sorry to disappoint but I don't steal pets off of porches I see.. How would you have felt if you didn't have breakfast this morning? >I agree with [a crowd of people is a mindless beast in itself] Ok, good. Now do you see the gradient that goes from the decisions and morals of a single individual to basically just a sea of semi intelligent apes bubbling and foaming and occasionally having waves crashing arbitrarily where you wouldn't want to be in the way? And sure, sometimes you can't outrun a tsunami, soykaf happens. But most times you can simply make a wise choice on what shore to stand on. >If god loved his people he wouldn't force them to die in genocides, be raped or addicted to drugs You're being simple minded about this. Yes, needless suffering should be minimized but also if there's no struggle at all.. I'm sure you've seen such people and their character on display. Some struggle and suffering seems necessary. Without selective pressure we might still just be very basic and fragile life forms. From what I currently see, there's two most likely possibilities. Either there's no God whatsoever and it's just this uncaring mostly desolate universe. Or two, there is a God but the type of mercy he/it shows is not comprehensible, let alone from your modern feminized and frankly childish perspective. Maybe try getting into Tolstoy at least. >I merely want to vent Then why did you waste bandwidth with a dedicated thread for your glitterboyry and not just went to the vent general instead? You presented your frustration as an objective statement. But due to it being just gay and dumb, it hurt my intelligence. But I suppose I got baited into interacting with you before I managed to realize that I've been dealing with some moron sadboi teenage loser instead. I know I will be called a loser by you in turn but maybe I am for still replying to this thread, those are the perils of pseudo anonymous discussions. >>96077 "Waaagh" by OP, 2026

>>96151 >How would you have felt if you didn't have breakfast this morning? What? >Now do you see the gradient that goes from the decisions and morals of a single individual to basically just a sea of semi intelligent apes bubbling and foaming and occasionally having waves crashing arbitrarily where you wouldn't want to be in the way? No Humans are generally soykaf both as individual and a crowd >Some struggle and suffering seems necessary Sure But I don't see why a loving god would force it's children through rape and genocide >your modern feminized You just outed yourself as a fuarrrking retard How in anyway is my way of thinking "feminized"? Now you're just throwing out boogyman labels because you're an immature manchild and you lack the mental capabilities to critic something you don't like without sounding like a 13 year old in a Youtube comment section >not just went to the vent general instead? Does it fuarrrking matter? Chances are your thin skinned ass still would've gotten triggered by my post >You presented your frustration as an objective statement. Because in my eyes it is, dipshit >maybe I am You absolutely are I feel sorry your parents had to deal with the obnoxious failed abortion that is you for 18 years Maybe you can fix god's mistake and finally end your worthless life

>>96153 >What? It's a dumb meme people use to pretend that certain people can't understand hypotheticals just because you didn't take their stupid hypothetical seriously

>>96154 I see I've never heard of that one before

>>96151 reaping greatness of course >>96155 lol yea, was a common meme on ifunny for a while but obviously if someone asked you a question randomly you'd be confused as to why (black woman answering wrong because, well, its ifunny)

A large part of my misanthropy is due to the worsening state of the US Everyone seems like a radical retard now and no one seems to support individual rights anymore People want to force religion on you, prohibit your speech if you say something they disagree with, use the state against you etc It's both sides destroying this country and its people's freedoms I avoid political discourse because it makes me paranoid I see communists or conservatives making threads on 4chan or Reddit and I feel like I'll be targeted I feel like my family and I are in danger of statist kill squads I want to get the fuarrrk out of this soykafhole

>>96153 >You should fuarrrking kill yourself to prevent tainting the gene pool >Maybe you can fix god's mistake and finally end your worthless life If anyone of us is going to end their life over some teenage angst posting, seeing how poorly you seem to be coping with life and existence, chances are it's not going to be me who will go through with it. And yes, there are roughly two main modes for humanity to operate on, somewhat divided by our biological sexual dimorphism, but not exclusively. A paternal mode is distinctly different of a maternal mode, be it mostly on a "I know it when I see it basis", but it's safe to say that we're currently under a more matriarchal paradigm. Both have problems of course but the need to care for everything to the point that all life shall be wrapped and weaned in a sort of cocoon not penetrable by the cruelty of the world but likewise stifles any growth to occur while tucked away in it, is more akin to the desire of having or being an all encompassing mother. And that any alternative to that shall be deemed evil, simply because you desire so. The result from this mindset being prevalent can be observed when for instance even asking uncomfortable questions is frowned upon for the fear it might upset someone. When harm of that is ignored over the potential benefit it's supposed to bring. Such a state can be roughly described as feminized. But I can tell from your type of response that you're young, maybe you will grow out of it eventually. Particularly that not everyone should simply endure you turning places into your personal cry corner. It's clear you're currently working through some emotions and I hope that you can work through it. But also preferably somewhere else, and in private as simply seeking the affirmation of other similarly miserable people will do the opposite of help. I sometimes image death and its obviously highly unpleasant nature but that's just life, even if during such a moment I would likely wish it weren't so. The machinations of this world just cant be altered on that fundamental level. Only thing we've got it seems is to discover meaning, focus on what good there is, and try to make the best of things. Maybe you will understand some day, too. >>96044 >>96050 I do come back to wonder about this. Where would you attain that kind of insight? And how to know more? Some all powerful group or alien population doing all this just to satisfy some sort of emotional sadism and spite us lower beings, what an odd use of one's time and power, wouldn't you agree?

>>96468 It becomes clear that despite all the noise chaos and fighting, things always go in the same direction without any real resistance. And that there are very substantial depravities that the fake ruling class are guilty of, but they are never called out on this by their supposed enemies. Despite all the appearance of hatred they refuse to do anything that would actually reveal things or hinder them. The only logical conclusion is that the fake ruling class is fake, they do not support and believe the things they claim they do, and some other group is actually making the ruling decisions while framing them as inevitability and circumstance.

>>96469 It's not necessarily the only logical conclusion as they can simply be and very likely are just in a mutual blood pact where while they bark and shout at each other and try to undermine them on a more visible arena, they can never drop the big leverage as the opponent has the same on them. It's mutually assured self destruction and probably everyone in that sort of circle knows what's going on. And just because they've got leverage on each other doesn't mean they're still highly competitive with each other. And while clearly there's much less publicly facing players participating, it isn't self explanatory that these must be some immortal beings. That kind of more basic game theory seems sufficient to me so I'm interested to know what other clues there are that tell otherwise? And riling up their bases against each other does also serve those public talking heads and politicians as they now can have a reinvigorated base through that. And I'm not just knee-jerkingly criticizing you. Hell, if the earth turned out to be flat after all, I then could only say "shucks!". But I worry it's a leap of reasoning that might be just a way to abdicate any responsibility of trying to fix things by just accepting that there's some insurmountable power at play that can't have anything done against it anyway. But of course this could also just be hopium on my end. I'd need to know more first to be sure.

>>96470 Most of what you're saying is a distinction without a difference. They're a club allied with eachother to never let outsiders have any real power or influence. It doesn't matter if they're literally murdering eachother in the background or a hive mind that cannot disagree. The leaders are not immortal, they are long lived. Their continued existence has enabled their persistence in everything going in the same direction they desire without falter in any area. They are particularly meticulous at shaping people's perception of reality, because they know that one day suddenly they will be countered. They want people to fight for them when that happens, or at least be lead to destruction with them - fighting in vain for the corrupt perceptions they instilled upon the world.

>>96468 Since you keep coming back to this thread like a stray cat, you clearly have nothing to do with your life other than make the most retarded pseudo intellectual statements on this site and thus would have nothing to lose by ending your life >But I can tell from your type of response You provoked this reaction by acting like a deranged retard And you won't just fuarrrk off already >Such a state can be roughly described as feminized. Once again, you show everyone you graduated from 4chan university You're once again throwing out meaningless adjectives in hopes you sound coherent

>>96480 Take your pick. > Plato's cave and the shape of things yet to come. > The real meaning behind the Epstein Files. > Century long plan to subjugate mankind with ai and construct an artificial god. > Implications of the KJV Bible, the dragon which deceives the whole world, the lingering undying generation that shall not pass until the sun darkens and stars fall.

>>96479 You're acting like the people who's behavior you lament. I know you feel justified to be this vulgar and agitated towards me, unhinged even, but maybe you can develop the theory of mind some day to understand that this was rather needless. And that what I've said wasn't even that wrong either. That is if you don't succumb to center your life around wallowing in your own self pity and choosing the deceitful bliss of willful ignorance. You came here to seek company in misery and circle jerk about oh how terrible life is and all, but now are mad that someone would reject your angsty emo world view and refused to join in with you to denounce life. The reason there's already a dedicated vent thread is due to courtesy of others. You might want to just start a diary instead. Maybe that will even clear your thoughts and emotions. >>96472 >they are long lived I would lie if I said I didn't want whatever stuff they gave Biden to be that lucid again during his presidential debates. I know they get the best medical tech we got, even get to harvest organs from the peasantry, while the rest has to worry about bankruptcy just to get a set of fake teeth to chew their food again. It also seams all quite bleak. But from my posts you might tell I'm just not that much of a doomerism enjoyer. Every rulership or closed system collapses eventually. When you're living through something it seems to go on forever but I would like to see evidence that it's been the same exact people all that time, having operated in total obscurity rather than just the same old squabble of ever different, always rotating set of power hungry psychopaths who managed to claw their way to the top of back stabbed bodies. However there is something to say about ritualistic mass humiliation taking place.

>>96497 >know you feel justified to be this vulgar and agitated I because since you act like such a fuarrrking prick >And that what I've said wasn't even that wrong either. nothing you said has any value or reason since it reads like a 13 year old who just discovered /lit/ wrote it

Alien 9 is a short manga about being afraid to live and about rollerblading through the corridors at school. The main character is terrorized by the idea of accepting any kind of change to her life, represented by ugly aliens who want to force themselves upon her in order to achieve an irremediable transformation. She is not given a choice, and adults who are all in an alien conspiracy push her into these alien interactions for her own good. Miss Otani does not learn to feel good or learn to love aliens and neither does she defeat the conspiracy so this story is different than other stories of this type. I've always perceived life as a creature trying to violently copulate with me. No matter how often the act was described to me as a symbiosis, it looked like rape to me. And that's evil, if it wasn't then i wouldn't have been afraid of it. And that's why i like Alien 9. Give me B+ or greater.

>>95861 >If there is no reason to do evil, then why do evil >[a hint there is no *reason* to do evil] *angry dog eats dog noises*

>>96500 You keep lashing out in a pretense of ironic uncaring and unawareness of your own immaturity. Yet I know my words will linger on in the back of your head, nagging, no matter how much you try to play them down in front of a bunch of people who will never meet. >>96503 Cool, I might check it out.

>>96506 >Yet I know my words will linger on in the back of your hea You can fuarrrk right off and shove your head back up your ass, you pretentious bastard Just fuarrrking kill yourself

>>95931 >>95991 >But others my age were more concerned with BEING BRAVE TO VOICE OUT retarded sexual jokes. ftfy

>>96507 this vulgar language towards your fellow lainons will make conservative normal people browsing for the first time cry

People who aren't intellectually disabled and can't grasp this basic concept are either bad actors or have a blind spot they are oblivious to. Either way, a case of Stockholm syndrome of biblical proportions

>>96507 >Just fuarrrking kill yourself You are being the type of person whom you bemoan here. I can see the need to throw a pity party like this if things are not going too well for you. And the apparent need for attention based on the thread header image. But I can tell you that being terminally online and seeking affirmation from similarly tortured souls won't help. Not rally that is. Try some introspective if you haven't already and find something meaningful to do with your life. gg

>>96077 >dubs of truth Lainons are reading way too far into this. All op did was spill the soykaf.

Are you trying to question whom GOD? Good luck, smart brat. Why the heck have you decided IT IS is for you or humankind at all? May be are by-product of mothes evolution and storyline? They're pretty chill and cool, so all your suffering justified.

life is aight. im sorry youre suffering