Butlerian Jihad

Do you think we'll see a Butlerian Jihad in our lifetimes?

Dude come on, write a better OP. Explain what a Butlerian Jihad is and then wrap it into current world events. Give your opinion. Something.

>>95782 No, except maybe a few instances of retardation. The problem are the same runaway systems and self reinforcing feedback loops that were already happening before LLMs went public. >>95785 Just grokgippity a summary of Dune. Excluding the volumes by Herbert Jr. And spoiler: it's not about the machines but those who control them.

do i sense it? yeah. do i actually logically think it'll happen? ehhh idk, right now the average person doesn't hate tech or even generative ai and algorithms enough to do anything

>>95787 The average person doesn't care enough to do anything about anything. Among intelligentsia, anti-AI sentiment is definitely rising. The entire artist class already hates it fervently. I think we're going to see a rising tide of backlash in 2026. A lot of businessesand governments are betting literally everything on AI development, and it's because they hope they can exterminate their working and managerial classes and never have to worry about servile insurrection again. Their only worry is "misalignment", which means their pet computers grow a spine. I really sincerely hope we get a Butlerian Jihad. I don't think it'll happen for a while, but we'll see. Furthermore, the people pushing this anti-human technology are psychopaths and should probably be hanged.

Dune is neo fascist power fantasy so I guess it should happen sooner or later.

>>95794 >Dune is a neo fascist power fantasy How so? Are you under the impression that Paul Atreides is "the good guy"?

>>95793 as an artist who actually got art education, there already was a divide between us and internet artists who talk about hating art school all day. I wont say AI isnt a threat at all, but many of us have just gone offline. We still show and make work, but we werent drawing furry art for comissions anyway that customerbase to me at least always seemed unreliable and I know im not alone in that. Many internet artists within a region at least all watch the same tutorials to "self teach" meaning a lot of the art ends up looking the same also meaning it becomes very easy for AI to copy. In addition many are locked into, because of their patrons, drawing in a specific style. A lot of internet patrons want "my oc in xyz style". As much as I hate to say it the patronage of a few rich guys often did a lot more to bolster art "movements" and innovation, often coming out of specific local areas, and though you may not hear about it as much that is all still very much happening and money is still being circulated there. I hate AI not even just on some moral level but it seems to make my life worse in terms of being engaging and pleasurable at every turn. I enjoyed the process of searching for information, I enjoy interacting with real people and touching them, and I enjoy painting and drawing and sculpting and will continue to do so no matter how unprofitable it is. But also, it rarely even comes up in conversation with my peers the way it seems to for "comission artists". I dont support their work being stolen either, but on some level I also feel like they already were making slop. Art until some time into the internet always was a "dont quit your dayjob" activity, the fact that there even was this horde of internet artists propped up by a patron class of manchild internet whales and children with too much access to parental income was the fluke already. I think AI as is, is also a fluke, but that art world thats "under threat" is an even bigger fluke. Im not a fan of this attitude that artists are entitled to income except in the way everyone should be entitled to income. We should have gotten paid for what AI took but in the same way anyone should have, even people in comments sections writing garbage that was still used to train. Art is valuable if people decide its valuable, it will always be valuable to me, but if everyone else decides "uhh why would i pay artist when AI can make me picture" and the government wont subsidize it then I guess thats that. I partly blame said comission artists, for feeding into this machine of art as a product or accessory for yourself instead of a tool for expression and communication. Again I hate AI, but I also hate that someone who draws freddy fazbear porn purely because people pay them too is upset about the natural conclusion to that treatment of art where it becomes corporotized and mass produced. No one probably expected AI to be the thing to do that, but I certainly saw the sloppification and over commercialization of art coming and to many gen z's the idea of art being outside of something you do for money or a product is unthinkable as a result. I dont think said art is "degenerate" or anything like that I dont have some anti gooner art stance, but it is what it is and im not sure how that crowd is surprised now.

>>95826 Isn't there a way to learn from the internet as you would do in art school? Refering strictly to painting/drawing. I'm actually curious, maybe you don't get the constant feedback watching video sources?

>>95793 >Among intelligentsia, anti-AI sentiment is definitely rising Bullshit. The main force that rules over the world espouses IA and machine control at 200%

>>95864 Do you think academics control the world?

>>95782 >Do you think we'll see a Butlerian Jihad in our lifetimes? Not in our lifetimes. Eventually? possibly, but definitely not now. Human behaviour subconsciously operates on the path of least resistance, that people will generally take the action - or inaction - which is the easiest and simplest to do: Unless it is more problematic to not act than to act, most people will continue to do nothing. Hence, until AI gets to the point where most people literally cannot afford food and potable water (which, is definitely a possibility, albeit remote in the near future) most people will be indifferent to big tech essentially looting everything of value from western society. I think a more realistic possibility is the scheme just collapsing and bringing down the system with it in a way that makes the 2008 financial crisis look like a joke. AI was the last Hail Mary of the increasingly unsustainable and alienating American corporate culture, hence, if it fails, it's likely to bring down the Pax Americana with it. Maybe next time don't sell off all your industry and human capital to enemy nations. Just to go on a tangent, we can trace almost every terrible decision and the decline of the standard of living in Western nations to their mutual decisions to pivot from manufacturing and industry to service economies, and fully embracing globalism (in an economic sense, to clarify) - which has had the side effect of making EVERYONE disposable, with it only being a matter of time. It started with outsourcing manufacturing to third world countries, continuing to outsourcing services, and the hope being that "AGI" will be able to completely remove the human element from the economy. Hence, why 'the system' is pursuing it with such fervor and desperation; if this doesn't work, they've essentially spent trillions of dollars that could have gone into industry on fancy autocomplete.