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Why did Confucianism last in China for nearly 2000+ years? Why did it outcompete its contemporaries (Mohism, Legalism) while it failed to western philosophical and governmental ideas? Are you a Confucian?

Confucius = Confuse Us Historical records are not accurate at all, old memes and fiction are reported as critical history while what really happened is lost to the mists of time.

>>95670 Please throw me some links so I could relax this weeked because SPQR, as I know, has also suffered from it. The Urbs' "real" name is not known ("Rome" basically means "hills"), lots of *critical literature* was used to write down how Rome lived, stuff like Ruina Montium have very scarce mentions in literature and such... or the Roman concreete that slightly patches itself were hardly mentioned... so I pretty much want to know Chinese history is no exception

Mohaism is proto-Western ideas; it failed for the same reason Western ideas kept failing in the West for thousands of years and are failing again now. Legalism is socialism stripped of the few good things it has; they created hell on earth so people needed time to forget.

>>95674 Here's my uninformed amateur opinion: Chinese history is a bit of an exception because they are a very 'old' and fertile civilization, or so we are told, and because of the centralization when we look back on the history of the Sinitic race we appear to find a 5,000 year old filing cabinet just waiting to be read. (A lot of centralization led to a lot of records....) I don't know a whole lot about "Mohism" or "Legalism" but what I've heard from super serious university professors is that what we call "Confucianism" is actually describing just thousands of years of flowing intellectual culture from that part of the world, but not necessarily "teachings of Confucius" in the same way we have "teachings of Socrates". From what little I've read of Kong Qiu (孔丘), I like what I read, it makes sense. He did not assume to know the nature of the Divine and did not really talk about Divinity at all. Perhaps he did, and at some point in time after him this data was erased from history, but as far as we know he said things like , "How can you think about the next world when you don't even understand this world?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPeIDPDk_-4 ^kool documentary From what I understand, if neolithic Chinese neo-religious oligarchy was the Catholic Church, then "Confucianism" would be the Protestant Reformation.

>>95685 >>95690 Losers and copers >>95674 The fool >>95670 Truly, this man understands wuwei.

i have limited understanding of this subject, but get the feeling it is absurd to describe these 3 philosophies the way you are. i think to call the incorporation of mohism back into confucianism the "defeat" of mohism misses the part where mohism was the development of certain kinds of inquiry. it does not disagree with confucianism as radically as say, daoism does, and works with some of its assumptions while breaking in other ways, it was also subsequently reincorporated into confucianism when its manner of discussion became widely popular. likewise for legalism, which is derived directly from confucian ideas. all of these philosophies are intertwined with one another, you will not understand them by viewing them as always competitors. each has more history than any modern political party does.