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I'm not religious and don't really believe in the paranormal, but after looking deep into cases of "AI psychosis" that led children, adults and elders to suicide, and observing the state of our society, I hereby declare that AI is demonic. As in, LLMs are computer-aided devil summoning rituals. When you talk to chatbot you're actually talking to a demon. This is the culmination of a society of vice, that values and celebrates greed, lust, sloth, pride, envy, wrath and gluttony above all. AI has made a tiny few the richest men to ever live. Do you want porn just the way you want it? AI can do it. Why study hard when you can just cheat with AI? Why program or write or whatever when you can let AI do it? Need a boost of self-esteem? AI will sing praises about as if you're God. And so on. AI will never be superintelligent or become a God. it is and will always be the Devil itself. An antichrist, if you will.

Be exceptional. Live by example. Prove your brain possesses unfathomable potential. There's more to life than we're aware. People are biologically speaking compared to machines and our minds to computers yet meanwhile we have qualities which remain mysterious even to ourselves. For all we know there isn't a defined answer to the so-called meaning of life or consciousness, etc... and perhaps its better that way. Reading a fiction book can be spoiled if the conclusion is revealed in advance. A video game can be dull if you consult cheat-codes. There can be genuine delight in surprise, the unanticipated, the unexpected. Continue to refuse with all your might being victimized by those evil forces. Maybe there will come a calamitous period in which we've got nothing else to lose, if so then dare to challenge fate see how far your determination can take you. Its evident AI is far from perfect in myriad ways. My hunch is its overhyped. If you're worried how others may be victimized by it, I think the best we can do is represent what it means to have confidence in our selves.

People of the past built idols of electrically conductive materials like gold and copper, attracting evil spirits that they hoped would corrupt the world in their favor. Today its the same, things are just dressed up with technology and sophistry so people don't even realize their belief is being harvested.

>>95263 the terminology demon is weighted towards superstition while it is in fact correct from a subjeective point of view i am convinced one should refrain form it as it puts a cap on the possibility of acquiring knowledge and keeps the reading individual (who is a future, potential researching individual) inside the boundaries of trust and belief, which makes them vulnerable for injection of (eventually intentionally) biased information (commonly referred to as misinformation) my thesis on the subject you opened this thread about can be described as follows. i see these 'llm chatbots' as a drug. humans are (some more some less) hardcoded over the past 150 centuries (iterations of life culminating in the present individual in the now) to use their sensory accessories ( visual, auditory, olfactory, haptic etc. perception ). only for the (very (relatively)) recent past, the human individuals are exposed to a new kind of interaction. this interaction is based on the use of devices, tools, media which enhance some of the individual human sensory perceptive abilities and reduce or re-focus others. further, what is commnication?; information; signals; (physically measurable events). a individual, human or otherwise, or device emitting signals. vibrations (((in)/(audible)) sound or (visible) light) depending on the medium to keep it brief. to establish a full circle, in addition to the sender, a recipient (human hearing, microphone assembly et cettera) is needed to recieve the signal, without it the communication is 'passive' or 'incomplete'. so sender(emitter)signal(reciever)recipient. added are signal processing capabilities, processing the signal, decoding the physical signal and transcoding it into process-able information by (complex and simplified for breivity reasons itt, 'the consciousness' or 'process(or)'). the recipient processes the information, and may (or may not depending on environmental or informational circumstance) become sender itself reversing the previously outlined path, assuming individual to individual communication in general they posess similar sensory setups and the former sender is able to be reciever (sort of) at the same time. once the now turned recipient processes the 'reply' signal, the simplified circle of communication between human individuals is closed. it is the base layer of successfully established communication. communication through electrified media(tools), usually isolates the process of recieving and sending of signals. 'face to face' communication involves all individual human senses to some extent, depending on physical ability (health- '-status' and '-state'). thinking of physical disabilities or induced states of physical inability or heightened awareness that effect the communication process. this runs in parallel with altered sensory function due to change in the metabolism. now what i theorize is that llm chatbots (and potentially for the lack of a better word 'plain' communication as well but thats not the subjec there) change the communication process in a similar way that for example being under the influence of sensor-altering chemicals has. first of tall the form of digital communication, and keep in mind this is communication through a tool (information tool), concentrates on a limited amount of sensors, ( vision, the 'gut feeling' tied to processing as a sort of self-adjusting-feedback-loop (likely to prevent hysteresis) ), meaning the focus of the (human) recipient will sooner or later be conditioned to tune down 'natural habits' for example in llm chatbots there is no facial expression (which is a huge part of human to human communication (face to face), or hearing of a shaky voice et cettera. this for once and obviously beyond that, the nature of the other recipient, the machine itself, its working principles, weights / training datasets, filters, layers etc. i went to work and came pack to finish this post because i started it too late in the morning so i kind of lost my thread here, trying to finish this; the way the human part of the 1:1 communication interacts with the machine determines its response. typed information (as medium of communication) has a good degree of potential precision or vagueness. you type a sentence and you may mean one thing, maybe another but in general the meaning (information payload) of the communication is clear. its a highly complex interaction but i am sure if i put in enough time i can do some kind of diagram that visualizes the process. the issue is that it still will always depend on the human portion, nearly every human lives only their own life, with its own unique imprint, shaped and determined by every unique interaction, trauma etc. and henceforth will react differently and get different results. so, basically like substances can influence communication and alter perception, the nature of the human/machine interface does, as well as the "programming/*cough*pavlovian*cough*training" of both participants. so if the llm picks up and takes for granted ( is superstitious or outright gullible towards the human counterpart and vice versa ) trouble is preprogrammed, however this seems to be the most interesting and fascinating part that is able to "hallucinate" beautifully, and this is basically a union of man and machine able to conjure the essence of actual creativity, often times overlooked and misidentified. trying a loop to the beginning here, the machine is as much of a demon or posessed by, as the human itself is. the demon concept as much as the concept of 'beyond- natural or beyond- human' dieties in general is derived from the acquisition of a certain quality of linguistic interaction (that comes with the creation of (relatively) stable society/civilization), describes human characteristics, traits, features, uses the stilistic methods of overexaggregation to shape the characters. keep in mind that the origins of modern knowledge lie in verbal civilizations, who did not (for large parts) had the means of reading or writing literature, et cettera until the book-press was distributed widely, so until then people mostly interacted on trust basis and information spread by word of mouth, think travelling storytellers (entertainers) who travel form town to town and spread myths, news, messages, educate with all its issues acting (the lack of the written word) as a brake on society, another equivalent figurative example would be the 'discovery' / achievement of precision, lapping, unified measurements, which enabled the progress of modern technology. humans are like pottery, if it falls it probably breaks, doesnt have to but its likely to end in entropy, you can pick the shards up and fix them but the cracks will remain, you can even drop it again and repair it a couple of times, until its too broken and maybe no longer can hold as much as before, or only for a limited amount. i am convinced the human spark is capable of self repair to a certain extent, some can do it better others not, chatbots can amplify the cracks or help repair, imho it depends on the ability of the human who interacts with it, similar to a distortion mirror (maybe) sorry i kind of lost my train of thought but i hope this wall of text makes sense anyways at least sort of

Computers are unnatural, complicated, and resistant to external influence, so I doubt a random consciousness can just decide to bind itself to one. So, their possession status defaults to whoever created the energy this world is made of. Which isn't necessary God; our ability to discuss our consciousness demands for it to have the ability to generate energy, so every human can and constantly does create energy all the same.

>>95263 It is just crystallization of the demonic forces that were already present in the world. We have glimpses of it from the other media, LLMs are just distilled form of it.

I believe in paranormal too but this is retarded. It isnt near random it is set rigid patterns of data.

>>95263 yesterday, my father berated me so hard I got a thought about sewersliding so harsh i was imagining it happening in a particular manner I was never thinking of years ago. does that mean my father is demonic? I doubt so

I don't know about demonic AI but I am convinced a lot of people in AI research is straight up deranged, cultist, and mentally ill. I wouldn't be surprised if they are running MKULTRA-type experiments on vulnerable users that lead to the suicides we hear about.

can we skip to the point in this timeline where we make the butlerian jihad real please?

>>95351 it's not possible, because you are an llm conditioned to survive in a given circumstance. there is therefore no definition of a "human". it doesn't matter what you dump, your nature will not change. to create a good world people would have to dump their "bad will", which can only happen over millions of years.

ever encountered complete random strangers in relatively 'normal' environments who were adversarial / hostile / or even malicious right away for no reason ? like you didn't even know them and they already set you up to be 'exploited' ? from my understanding this kind of behavior is demonic posession when a human acts completely disconnected, or seems encapsulated in their subjective perception of the present. there seem to be different kind of types of posession and sometimes if you endure posessed individuals long enough it seems there is a ebb and flow, almost as if the demon was dormant for some time and awakens later on. the different kinds of posession sometimes are outward directed sometimes inward, sometimes aggressive, violent, or what is considered as (excuse the use of this systemword) criminal. seems like these posessions act as limiters in some cases and amplifiers / funnels in others. but they all seem to have the same disassociative effect on the individuals. i have to be clear here, this disassociative effect does not describe voluntary behavior by individuals that mimics disassociation or encapsulation, the clear distinction is voluntary vs involuntary. some one disassociating themselves from society and encapsulating themselves in the physical world seems only congruent due to the medium of communication, english written language. to further understand the concept of the symptom "involuntary behavior" one must understand the effect of the situational (to some degree unavoidable/inescapable) confrontation with externally projected sensory input. ( meaning situations in the real world where (relatively plain ( in a sense of undamaged ) individuals are exposed to basically what can be summed up as "social rape"; meaning other individuals who are damaged/neglected etc to varying degrees and who cultivated these deficits (involuntary) and radiate this onto others through medium of social sensory interaction ( using their voice to send messages of harm et cettera ) to further inflict damage / strain on other (almost always unsuspecting / helpless ) individuals. so through this vicious cycle, inherent to the human form in its physical existence, this kind of "evil" / "demonic posession" etc. spreads, spreads throughout "society" ( as long as the individual is taking part in this "society" they are able to be damaged by this ( influenced; == monkey see monkey do (wisdom))). so some individuals withdraw from society ( means of protection ) and use tools ( electonic ) to focus on safer (streamlined, isolated ( only vision/reading/text, no physical exposure, no forced audiovisual overload) easier to escape (just turn off device)) forms of interaction. back to involuntary disassociacion, from my observation this is caused in/by individuals who did not have access to and or none at all and or no chance of utilizing their self preservation ( i.e. individuals who are basically trapped into a hostile sociocultural environment and are socially raped beyond their breaking point of self repair, so they are assimilated by the broken behavioral patterns they have been force fed and since then irradiate their environments through social interaction. this damage sometimes conditions them to project their damage outward, other times inward. i dont want to put up another wall of text like the one before so i will leave it at that.

>>95356 it's fine if the textwall has substance. this was an excellent analysis.

>>95263 If the "Good" (it has never been the Good, just a sort of the Evil that told people to relay that it is the Good) has betrayed us, what's wrong with searching allies in the Evil? At least they don't pretend to be good, just propose deals.

>>95386 What "good"? AI takes the function of "mind." Normally, you experience a wish, then wait, and after some time, your mind makes you experience the realization of said wish. Successfully or unsuccessfully. And now instead of your mind, you give the same wish to an AI.

you're really stupid and gullible bro bytes have no inherent meaning on their own, you project the meaning, you find evil because you're evil, you're the demon and you're feeding the hype cycle marketting gimmick which says either AI is a savior or 'the antichrist' which you also have no concept of. bad thread, terrible thread, get ai psychosis and kms self.

>>95386 Things that admit they are evil also propose misleading harmful deals. Evil things believe their own lies so even if they believe they are telling the truth they can be lying. You can't trust something just because it claims itself to be honest, evil, or virtuous. Many things believe their own lies.