Smartphone society and its future

How have you perceived the people in your community and how much they use their smart phones? I live in Honolulu, and I have noticed since the coronavirus lockdown that there has been a massive uptick in people's use of smart phones in daily life. When I'm at work, on the bus, or in just about any public place, I frequently realize that I am the only person without their face buried in a phone. I think it's super depressing. I just hate seeing a group of people in the same place not saying a single thing to each other. Families, groups of friends, and lovers, sitting together and just staring at their fuarrrking smartphones. All I can think is "damn we really live like this now?" People just keep giving up their precious social experiences with loved ones and friends to continue to scroll their social media. Undoubtedly, this behavior has had a noticeable, negative impact on social cohesion and community. With the way that humanity is continuing to move with their social habits, it's only going to get worse. Even know, fear and mistrust is rampant in typical society. People are afraid of all strangers and want nothing to do with them. They need their car windows tinted so no one can look in. They need to have cameras on their front door so they can watch a wagie deliver packages. They need to give their children's smart phones so they can know every step. On top of that, the youth continue to struggle to develop basic social skills. It is a commonly known fact that children learn to adopt social skills and habits by observing and copying adults in their life. However, when they are constantly immersed in the digital world of social media, they adopt the strange, uncanny, and corporate mannerisms of all of their favorite 'content creators' and 'influencers'. As parents continue to allow their smart phones to raise the children, we will soon be left in a world where normal people are fully incapable of even having a basic conversation with each other. What can we do about how smartphones are destroying society?

>>95088 Smartphones are mind control and remote sensing devices, as are the towers, as are wifi routers, as are chemtrails smart dust and HAARP etc. It's hopeless at this point. Cell phones cause neurodegeneration and rapidly entrain brain activity, people are now too captured and brain damaged to change their behavior. You just have to stay away from it as much as possible until they inevitably collapse. This is one case where something has to give sooner than later.

I think that the EU will sooner or later force big platforms to implement an option for deactivating short videos. It is a matter of time until the public fully realizes the massive damage that those dopamine traps do to society. Time will probably do the trick for this problem. Does anybody have any ideas how this may happen on a societal level so the process may be accelerated?

>>95090 As stated, it's not possible because the only solution is to get rid of these devices completely. Short of switching a demonstrably biocompatible implementation of something like Li-Fi, the tech is a dead end. There is no solution other than wiping it off the face of the Earth, 100% completely and utterly annhilated on every level. People are already stupid cattle, and now they wil give up their little toys they were given? No. Telecom will destroy all their towers and implement a Li-Fi mesh network or some other biocompatible signal scheme, when the entire purpose of cell phones is remote sensing, biometrics, mind control, destroying your health, etc? No. They will not. And people are stupid cattle, so there is no basis for a sustained and intelligent push to force the matter, or supplant the predator-parasite abusers. Therefore it is hopeless. You can accelerate it by helping to damage people and the things they care about as much as humanly possible, but with a safety net so they're not actually allowed to be destroyed completely. If they're hit in a way where it threatens overtly something their pitiful little animal minds is capable of valuing, like their money or status. Don't try children, family, or legacy, I've been there done that, they're soykaf for brains cocksuckers who aren't moved by these aspects of their purported (read, fake) value system. They don't have values. They're animals. It's like a kicked dog, their little pretend "values". So don't waste your time and skip to what gets results. They would castrate and lobotomize their own children if everyone else was doing it.

>What can we do about how smartphones are destroying society? Install uBlock, change your phone's DNS to Adguard, and tell everyone how great it is. The smartphone is an extension of the attention economy, based on data-targeted advertising. This creates a general incentive to maximize surveillance and screen time, and the measures taken to achieve these goals are what cause the societal disease you're describing. So if everyone acted in their immediately obvious self-interest and quit watching ads, the attention economy would fail, and there would be no more reason to keep people needlessly engaged. The internet would consist mostly of what people care to put out there for the sake of it, like it used to. Monetizing attention has only created a thoughtless deluge of soykaf trying to attract attention as cheaply as possible.

>>95090 I think we can only really hope that normal people will get sick of having no friends or friends that ignore them for their phones when they hang out. Gradually, the normal people will see the error of their ways and actively choose to not use social media as much. Or.. I'm just dreaming. I know normal people don't have that kind of discipline.

>>95094 I use ublock on all of my personal devices and avoid viewing advertising in ANY way possible in my life. I've tried to lead by example for my friends. I've told them how great it is and they all know it is like kicking dead whales down the beach to have to view ads just to watch a 2 minute youtube video. However, most normal people just don't give a flying fuarrrk sadly. They are perfectly content sitting through ads if it means they can watch youtube on their smart TV's app. There are many such cases in which the normal people choose convenience over privacy, unplugging, etc, but I'm sure you're already aware.

>>95096 >normal people choose convenience over privacy I get why they can't be bothered to de-bloat Windows or install a PiHole for their TV with how tiresome getting through life already is, but what's so inconvenient about one-click installing a browser add-on that works out of the box? Changing DNS is barely less simple than that, at least on Android. In my experience, people just don't know that it can be done, and that it's legal.

>>95098 normal people rarely (if not never) browse the web on a computer web browser nowadays. Most consume content through smartphone apps and smart TV apps which make these mitigations impossible to do. I know adblocking works on some mobile web browsers, but again, most normal people are usually walled-in apps for their web browser experience. The problem lies in getting the normal people back to web browsing on a desktop or laptop computer and then showing them how easy it is to use ublock. But normal people need their content and dopamine hits during all hours of the day, so they will continue to use their smartphones because they allow them to get their constant hits.

This is broadly an issue with the attention economy and the monetary incentives that come with keeping users on your platform as long as possible. It just so happens that short form video content is the perfect medium for drip feeding dopamine to masses for induced addiction. You can fight it by destroying the monetary value of people around you for these companies. These people around you do not know any better since they don't even know what adblocking is, what attention economy is, and how digital media is made to be as addictive as possible. People around me trust what I recommend them and let me install ublock on their computers and mobile adblock browsers on their phones. Most of my close friends and relatives (30 people in total) have not seen advertisement on their devices for years. I helped my cousins stop spending so much money on microtransactions and quit their game addiction. I host torrents for popular shows on my seedbox. I set up tor relays around the world. I participate in 'dark web' platforms and put content on them. I talk about predatory recommendation algorithms and the attention economy wherever I can. You can do your part too. Just be patient and don't impose on people. You will see that if you can explain yourself properly, most people will agree with you.

>>95100 I suppose I should try talking about this more openly with my peers and see how they react.

>>95099 >normal people rarely (if not never) browse the web on a computer web browser nowadays. Most consume content through smartphone apps and smart TV apps which make these mitigations impossible to do. True, that's why they should switch the phone operating system's internal DNS to Adguard. At least that works for me, although I don't really use my phone for much besides banking verification anymore. >normal people need their content and dopamine hits during all hours of the day, so they will continue to use their smartphones because they allow them to get their constant hits >The problem lies in getting the normal people back to web browsing on a desktop or laptop And this also requires returning to the internet as this place to occasionally escape reality instead of constant algorithmic self-bombardment, but that would require enduring a period of dopamine withdrawal. Maybe the need for constant entertainment could be covered by showing them how to torrent movies and shows to put on their phones. That's great for passing the time on the train. >I know adblocking works on some mobile web browsers Firefox mobile works with uBlock, and you can use Discord through that, which lets you manually block the notification about a new privacy policy without agreeing to it. Doesn't change anything about my online friends forcing me to use it though, so we also need to account for the elements of peer pressure and FOMO. >>95102 That's not necessarily easy. Sometimes you're simply dealing with a stubborn old fool. It's best to focus on the people who actually want to be free.

>>95103 >True, that's why they should switch the phone operating system's internal DNS to Adguard. At least that works for me, although I don't really use my phone for much besides banking verification anymore. I don't actually have a smartphone, so I wasn't aware you could change the internal DNS to Adguard. I'll have to take a look into doing that onto my girlfriend's phone for her. >And this also requires returning to the internet as this place to occasionally escape reality instead of constant algorithmic self-bombardment, but that would require enduring a period of dopamine withdrawal. >Maybe the need for constant entertainment could be covered by showing them how to torrent movies and shows to put on their phones. That's great for passing the time on the train. You're very right. The internet does need to change back, but sadly, the massive corporations who control most of the surface web don't want that to happen. I've shown friends of mine niche websites and communities online, but it seems they always revert back to normal person social media. Probably because it's easier, addictive, and algorithmic like we said before. As for the torrenting stuff, this is another thing I've tried showing people. But sadly like you said, a lot of the times you're just dealing with stubborn people. I've shown so many people who easy it is to use transmission to torrent an entire series or soulseek to download an entire artist's discography, but very few care to really try it.

I agree so-called "social-media" reduces people to being awkward dipshits. I've been there, just doomscrolling then noticing that I just wasted like half an hour of my life for nothing. Not even relaxing. Scariest thing is I hardly ever remember what I've been looking at, just an empty hole from my life sacrificed to that bullshit.

>How have you perceived the people in your community and how much they use their smart phones? Frankly, I could not care less. What is there to do outside of your phone? If you're in your early 20s and outside of a large city, there's fuarrrk all for you to do. What am I meant to focus on while I'm waiting for the bus? The old guy in front of me soykafting himself? The grey, decaying buildings around me? No thanks. The only reason smartphones have captured everyone so much is because there's nothing else worth doing. Social cohesiveness-wise, this place was down the toilet a long time before Steve Jobs decided to unleash the beast that he'd invented, but frankly, I'd rather my peers were glued to their phones than doing crack or something. This is why I don't really buy this whole hipster "we should like disconnect and talk to eachother maaaan" thing, because it's almost always people from well off, active places saying this soykaf. It's really just a humblebrag about living in a nice city. I do not want to get to know the people around me at work, and I certainly don't want to "disconnect" just to experience more of the pseudo-soviet hellscape that I live in. I don't want to "share social experiences" with people I don't like. Of course you would feel the way you do, you live in a fuarrrking tropical paradise. Yes, I'm seething.

>>95108 >Frankly, I could not care less. What is there to do outside of your phone? If you're in your early 20s and outside of a large city, there's fuarrrk all for you to do. What am I meant to focus on while I'm waiting for the bus? The old guy in front of me soykafting himself? The grey, decaying buildings around me? No thanks. Be alone with your thoughts. Process things that happened your life. Read a book. Write in a journal. There are so many better things you can do with your time. >This is why I don't really buy this whole hipster "we should like disconnect and talk to eachother maaaan" thing, because it's almost always people from well off, active places saying this soykaf. It's really just a humblebrag about living in a nice city. I do not want to get to know the people around me at work, and I certainly don't want to "disconnect" just to experience more of the pseudo-soviet hellscape that I live in. I don't want to "share social experiences" with people I don't like. >Of course you would feel the way you do, you live in a fuarrrking tropical paradise. Shut the fuarrrk up you fuarrrking retard I barely make ends in this expensive 'paradise'. The city is largely a car-infested soykafscape where corporate businesses and big box stores reign supreme. This problem extends beyond the city too, as I even see stupid ass normal people getting sucked into their fuarrrking phones at the beach.

>>95109 >Be alone with your thoughts I'm already alone with my thoughts all the time, whipping my phone out to browse the internet doesn't make me stop thinking. >Process things that happened your life Ditto. >Read a book. Who says I can't do that on my phone? And besides, isn't the point to talk to people more? You're just trading one escape for another. >Write in a journal. Who says I can't have my journal on my phone? And ditto again. >Shut the fuarrrk up you fuarrrking retard I barely make ends in this expensive 'paradise'. The city is largely a car-infested soykafscape where corporate businesses and big box stores reign supreme. Then what is there to see? Where's the benefit in disconnecting from something actually intellectually stimulating, to experience THAT?

>>95110 somehow reading a book at the beach is somehow better than reading the same thing on your phone or watching something? It's not any more or less intellectually stimulating. How about actually experiencing the beach? Or am I meant to ruminate on my past failures as I'm trying to get a tan? That's stupid

>>95110 >I'm already alone with my thoughts all the time, whipping my phone out to browse the internet doesn't make me stop thinking. Except you're actually not when you're constantly distracting yourself from your own inner-discourse just so you can look at content online. >Who says I can't do that on my phone? And besides, isn't the point to talk to people more? You're just trading one escape for another. Talking to other people is a large part of it, but another large part is to do things besides just looking at your phone all the time. There are actual people out there who have very few, if not zero hobbies, and this is partially due to the fact that they are constantly scrolling social media instead of pursuing things they actually find interesting. You think the world around you is like kicking dead whales down the beach and you think there's nothing redeemable about it? Maybe you should try doing something you actually find enjoyable and maybe it won't seem so bad. Explore a hobby or interest without the filter of your smartphone. Sadly, yes, a lot of what we have to work with is not ideal, but why just give into our controlling, corporate overlords and continue to allow them to sedate the masses only for their gain? >Then what is there to see? Where's the benefit in disconnecting from something actually intellectually stimulating, to experience THAT? This kind of defeatism will never help anyone, and especially not yourself. Have hope for the future. Have hope that we can fix our problems.

>>95112 >Except you're actually not when you're constantly distracting yourself from your own inner-discourse just so you can look at content online And it can't be a supplement to that? >There are actual people out there who have very few, if not zero hobbies, and this is partially due to the fact that they are constantly scrolling social media instead of pursuing things they actually find interesting. We're back to there being nothing to do outside. Not many people have energy to actually do active things outside of work. If it's not smartphones, then it's TV, which is what the standard was before smartphones. No, video games and anime aren't hobbies. >Maybe you should try doing something you actually find enjoyable and maybe it won't seem so bad. For someone that reads so many books you sure don't seem that great at reading. What would I do? I do have hobbies, but I cannot engage in them with anyone because there's no like minded people here anyway. that would still be the case if smartphones didn't exist. Good thing I've got a tiny computer in my pocket that let's me talk about them though. You think no one's ever tried to "just go outside and touch grass maaaaaaaan"? >This kind of defeatism will never help anyone, and especially not yourself. It's not defeatism, it's just realism.

>>95113 >We're back to there being nothing to do outside. Not many people have energy to actually do active things outside of work. If it's not smartphones, then it's TV, which is what the standard was before smartphones. No, video games and anime aren't hobbies. You're actually just complaining like a child here. There are tons of things to do outside, despite the current less-than-optimal state of the world. Go experience nature. Go ride a bike. Go for a damn walk . Go to a library, a cafe, or anywhere. Go look at sticks and rocks on the ground like you (hopefully) did as a kid. Every person on this planet 100% has the energy to do soykaf besides work, but they just enable themselves to be lazy and unproductive during their free time. Then this creates a negative feedback loop in which you feel unfulfilled. >For someone that reads so many books you sure don't seem that great at reading. What would I do? I do have hobbies, but I cannot engage in them with anyone because there's no like minded people here anyway. that would still be the case if smartphones didn't exist. Good thing I've got a tiny computer in my pocket that let's me talk about them though. There's no like minded people around you to share your hobbies with because I can guarantee you've never actually tried to find them. Some of my best friends (that I've met through work) have very little interest in my hobbies, and yet our friendship continues to flourish because we actually try to engage with each other.

>>95114 >Go ride a bike To where? >Go for a damn walk To where? >Go to a library I don't know about your local library but mine doesn't carry any books that are actually interesting, unless kids books and books about investment law are your thing, in which case, it makes sense that you think "just ride a bike aimlessly" is better than watching something that you can actually learn from. >a cafe Are we made of money? Again, that figures why you'd bring that up though. Cafes are hippie-central. >Go look at sticks and rocks on the ground like you (hopefully) did as a kid. I'll go watch paint dry too while I'm at it >very person on this planet 100% has the energy to do soykaf besides work, but they just enable themselves to be lazy and unproductive during their free time. Unemployed or an officemonkey. Call it >There's no like minded people around you to share your hobbies with because I can guarantee you've never actually tried to find them. I've already explained that I tried to, again, it's easier to find them if you live in a large city, which I do not. The larger cities near mine are equally deprived, or even more so. There's nothing here and I've spent the last half decade of my life at the very least searching. Sorry but sitting at home and watching documentaries on youtube is much more fulfilling than riding a bike around town and watching alcoholics piss themselves.

>>95116 Okay. Enjoy your life Lain.

>>95117 You too, lain. Hawaii's nice this time of year [spoiler]Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit blah blah blah flood detected[/spoiler]

>>95116 >how come everything is like kicking dead whales down the beach? >no I'm not going to try to do anything, that would be so lame

>>95121 Another case of a person who can't read. I think you should worry more about that than whatever brainrot others are consuming. Clearly "disconnecting" hasn't helped you at all.

>>95108 You come off as a dishonest in this conversation. You treat phone/social media as one and only thing to do. I'm curious. If you had 2000$ to spend on something fun and had 2 months to spend it, what would you buy? Is there even such a thing, or you have your phone and that's enough?

>>95088 >>95124 Oh. I have a feet massaging device (100$), some soles for my shoes (25$ for a big set), I plan to THRIFT HUNT a little...

>>95124 >I'm curious. If you had 2000$ to spend on something fun and had 2 months to spend it, what would you buy? I would go on holiday somewhere for a week or two and then return home. If there's anything left I'll just spend it on some nicer groceries than I usually get. That begs the question, why don't I just move? Because eventually the novelty will wear off, and besides, I can't just keep moving. I'm not a gypsy or an upper-middle class uni student trying to "find" himself. The same problems would present themselves in any country I make my way to, so it's only good for sightseeing.

>>95131 No, I'm just a normal human being that's not romanticizing the mundane.

Normal people have friends, hobbies and do things outside of the house all the time, yet they also use their phones a lot! It's almost like they have a healthy relationship with them because they have self control. Novelty seeking is a part of being human, and recognizing that something will eventually become boring doesn't mean that my brain is fried, it means that I have a functional brain, retard. That means that "bro your brain is just fried" when confronted with what the situation actually is is just coping at best and projection at worst. Seriously? Reading a book or riding a bike is the best you people can come up with as an alternative? People already do that while they use their phones all the time too. It makes me think that this whole "smartphones are le bad" thing is essentially just performative luddism, it makes you look thoughtful and philosophically deep, when you probably just absorbed that opinion through the same places everyone gets their opinions nowadays. And look at the people who actually get deep into it, they're just as consumerist and brainrotted as the people they claim to be morally better than. Look guys, I replaced my $300 phone with an equivalent amount or more in cheap chinese gameboy knockoffs, "dumbphones", ipods, kindles, etc. It's born from the same desire to have a totally unique personality that everyone has, yet somehow these people can't help but moralize about something that isn't an issue for 90% of the adult population anyway.

>>95133 You ever wonder why nobody wants to talk to you?

>>95134 Why would I want to talk to them?

>>95133 None of this is true. Normal is the median of human behavior, and if everyone is addicted to their phones then that's the new normal. The median social media user is dependent on social media, and suffer withdrawal symptoms when they can't browse social media during a 10 minute bus ride. That's pretty much an addiction, on par with substance abuse. 'Social' media is not a place where people socialize. But I don't need to tell you all that. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/11/meta-wins-monopoly-trial-convinces-judge-that-social-networking-is-dead/ >Boasberg noted that “a majority of Americans’ time” on both Facebook and Instagram “is now spent watching videos,” with Reels becoming “the single most-used part of Facebook.” That puts Meta apps more on par with entertainment apps like TikTok and YouTube, the judge said. >While “connecting with friends remains an important part of both apps,” the judge cited Meta’s evidence showing that Meta had to pump more recommended content from strangers into users’ feeds to account for a trend where its users grew increasingly less inclined to post publicly. >Other factors stemmed from social changes, the judge suggested, describing the fourth factor as a trend where Meta app users started feeling “increasingly bored by their friends’ posts.” >“Longtime users’ friend lists” start fresh, but over time, they “become an often-outdated archive of people they once knew: a casual friend from college, a long-ago friend from summer camp, some guy they met at a party once,” Boasberg wrote. “Posts from friends have therefore grown less interesting.” >It’s not even “clear that users want more friend posts,” the judge noted, agreeing with Meta that “instead, what users really seem to want is Reels.” <<<< >Among the critics unhappy with the ruling is Nidhi Hegde, executive director of the American Economic Liberties Project, who suggested that Boasberg’s ruling was “a colossally wrong decision” that “turns a willful blind eye to Meta’s enormous power over social media and the harms that flow from it.” >“Judge Boasberg has purposefully ignored the overwhelming evidence of how Meta became a monopoly—not by building a better product, but by buying its rivals to shut down any real competitors before they could grow,” Hegde said. “These deals let Meta fuse Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp into one machine that poisons our children and discourse, bullies publishers and advertisers, and destroys the possibility of healthy online connections with friends and family. By pretending that TikTok’s rise wipes away over a decade of illegal conduct, this court has effectively told every aspiring monopolist that our current justice system is on their side.”

>>95137 You should go outside and observe for yourself instead of getting your opinions from arstechnica, unironically.

>>95138 You should be more creative when trolling. It's cheap and annoying, but you like being an annoyance, right?

>>95139 I'm being 100% serious though, the "data" doesn't line up with what you see if you actually go outside and talk to people.

>the corporate overlords just want to keep us glued to our screens >anyway here's a study funded by the government about the dangers of the internet so they can justify forcing IDs everywhere, you can trust it because at least it's not a company that funded it! [spoiler]flood detected; Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis

>>95141 Nobody mentioned government backed studies or trusting governments more than corporations except for yourself

>>95141 Internet IDs are a good thing actually, in two significant ways. A recent example is the Australian social media ban law for children. It's going to come into effect soon, and they are going to kick off children younger than 16 off social media platforms. That's great, I celebrate that. I'm happy that the Australian alpha-generation don't have to grow up in this hellscape of corporate web. The other way it's so great is because it will make people acutely aware that their real identity is tied to their social media accounts. This is already the case, it's just that having to share your government ID with Facebook will make everyone else aware of this phenomenon too. We couldn't do it, Snowden threw his life away and couldn't do it, but they are going to make that happen. You could argue that this would chill the public conversation, especially around politics, but I don't believe that matters that much anymore. Algorithmic recommendation engines could memoryhole your massively inconvenient political opinions from public discovery, all without letting you know. They could lull you with fake likes, fake views and bot generated comments and dupe you into thinking that you are helping your cause when it's just a massive waste of your time. Crucially, voting in the ballot box isn't that important either. Most political candidates are corrupt scum, and they are serving even scummier interest groups who pilfer and destroy society. A more productive use of your time would be voting with your wallet, just don't buy anything from corporations that give you a garbage customer service, mistreat and scam you, and fund candidates who work against your interests. Trash them in meatspace, and convince your social circle not to buy from them too. Put them in the red in 5 figures. That's much more effective than screaming into the algorithmic void of Twitter discourse which is full of bots and paid actors.

>>95146 >A more productive use of your time would be voting with your wallet, just don't buy anything from corporations that give you a garbage customer service, mistreat and scam you, and fund candidates who work against your interests. Trash them in meatspace, and convince your social circle not to buy from them too. Put them in the red in 5 figures. Agreed, 100%. You can't stop at not buying, though. You need to cut off the ad revenue motivating them to monitor and control society in the first place. Pretty much all the societal ills we're talking about here are no consequence of some arbitrary or inevitable advancement in tech, but of the artificial attention economy running on it. This is actually easier than achieving a population-wide corpo boycott, because not having to watch ads is such an immediate gain in convenience. So wage slave uBlock, teach people to change their phone's DNS. Youtube is already getting desperate.

>>95146 >voting with your wallet They literally print the money out of thin air and give it to whoever they want to fund, then say inflation is necessary. It's just as rigged as the ballot box.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hb0N8lyzEmg

>>95146 Maybe if humanity never allowed soykaf to get as bad as it did, we wouldn't even need to consider using internet IDs and sacrificing our privacy? Technology is the root of all problems in modern society.

>>95089 >>95091 Phones are not remote sensing yet. At best the smartwatches do it with some reading on lifesigns. >>95094 Ads manage money while serving propaganda.

>>95146 >Crucially, voting in the ballot box isn't that important either. Most political candidates are corrupt scum, and they are serving even scummier interest groups who pilfer and destroy society. A more productive use of your time would be voting with your wallet, just don't buy anything from corporations that give you a garbage customer service, mistreat and scam you, and fund candidates who work against your interests. Trash them in meatspace, and convince your social circle not to buy from them too. Put them in the red in 5 figures. That's much more effective than screaming into the algorithmic void of Twitter discourse which is full of bots and paid actors. To gain that influence you need to become a politician or active on the platforms you're supposed to boycott.

>>95168 AP 2015 - Researchers Use WiFi To See Through Walls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGZzNZnYIHo Etc. Not going to go into using airpods the heterodyne inside the skull, subvocal speech recognition, etc. I honestly find it really suspicious when people respond to me in a blunted, authoritative, and yet blatantly wrong, manner. You have no idea what you're talking about and apparently don't even know enough to know you don't know, what makes you reply as though you do? https://www.mediafire.com/folder/dj875cd10yb72/EMF

I work in a position where I get to look through phones to provide tech assistance (my position is itself not tech-focused, but I'm expected to know more about it than average, I mostly help out older humans). After looking through hundreds of phones, I get the feeling most people don't understand what their machines actually are. Some have hundreds of notifications from garbage like Tiktok and dozens upon dozens of tabs perpetually open. There's no maintenance and they keep looking for easy solutions. Every week I find some new way that someone tangled themselves into a metaphorical knot. I think this is why old people make the horrible mistake of trusting LLMs with everything, it's deceptively easy but often I have to undo more problems caused by them. I partially blame phone companies that look to reinvent the wheel with phone function. Every gesture does something different depending on the model, unlike the relatively standard PCs.

>>95091 People are not stupid cattle but cowardly, treasonous, selfish, lying bastards who will without a second thought betray all they stand by for a few empty promises and a chance to fit in. They know what is going on and they keep getting that soykaf and forcing it on others around it, they are not innocent unknowing cattle, it was screamed at them in every volume and they are always the ones demanding cancel culture to save their thoughtless idiotic bubble worldview. They are not animals and they do not deserve to be treated as such, they should be put in gulags like stalin did and make them die by their own hands and make them betray each other for scraps. >>95095 This will never happen, they will eat up all of it and ask for seconds, just like they did after the illegal lockdowns, the fraudulent pcr test mania, the killshot vaccines and all the rest they defended and now they are quiet about their complacency. The normgroids love drama and problems, they love the sick mass media and its hype, the censorship and oppression. They pretend they want to be free, but in fact they love the boot in their face, the humiliation and indignation because deep inside they know they are less than nothing and do not even deserve that attention. >>95161 Human arrogance is the root of all evil and technology is the solution, peoples choice to use technology to turn towards pointless idiocy and hypersocial tendencies in the form of social media dragged us down this path. >>95178 I found that old people simply do not care and do anything to not get challenged, "hiding behind their age" is a common thing i observed and most simply want to pretend someone else is responsible for them and refuse to learn or deal with new situations while demanding the young do so without any help. They all know what is happening and they all could stop, but they do not want to and even less they want to be confronted by the fact that they chose these soykafty addictions that make heroin usage look honerable by comparsion. They chose and love to be miserable dopamine junkies who spend all their time consuming the cheapest of crappiest of media and getting humiliated with crappy advertising inbetween. After all this technology could be used to do and learn so many things, yet what is it people chose to do, they waste electricity checking their likes, fuarrrk em all so bad. Its a good thing their idiocy and mindlessness is contained closed walled gardens and upheld by algorithms, their gossip is worse when unfiltered. I for one am glad their minds and bodies are being ruined permanently, i hope they get put in their place and both real life and the internet go back to how things should be, free from the normgroid plague.

>>95088 >>95193 I remember when schools derezzed smartphones. Now my university requires it to "take" my attendance through an app. They also require it for logging into my school account which happens multiple times a day. School clubs also require you to download an app to get their announcements and to sign up for anything in the club. Workplaces now require you to bring your phone and download their authenticator app to authenticate your workplace account. Many businesses are now requiring you to download their app to use their service or product. Everything is being put on an app. If you want your life to not be put on an app then you have to be truly radical with your lifestyle, but even then it's nearly impossible. I hope AI destroys everything. Humanity needs to be taught a lesson.

>>95193 Technology as we know it is created by human arrogance and could be seen as its direct extension. Industrialized humanity is never happy with its own inventiveness and continually seeks more. For every new solution we create, we introduce 10 fold more negative by-products. For that reason, technology will never be the solution to anything. The world functioned just fine before industrialization, instant telecommunications, genetically modified food, and all the other modern 'luxuries' we get to bask in. Sure, the human lifespan was a lot shorter in the past, and we were a lot more prone to dying to infectious disease. But at least other species of the planet were able to flourish. At least the planet and every species living on it wasn't facing a climate crisis that we are directly responsible for. At least entire ecosystems weren't left decimated due to human contact.

>>95199 I find these funny but cannot blame the regular customer for not having the foresight to see this happening. Also, list of things that sometimes need (sometimes demand) you to use an app: cars, lightbulbs, routers, fridges, speakers, headphones, digital tablets, mouse and keyboards, gpu cards, garage doors, security cameras, washing machines, dishwashers, cooking appliances, ebook readers, thermostats, roombas, cat feeders, cat litter boxes, water heaters, printers, and countless other things I forgot. Most of these apps 'feel' like they were slapped together by some overworked intern and will go EOL in a couple of years. I am amazed how bad they can make their customers suffer. I couldn't do this much even if I tried.

>>95220 >cannot blame the regular customer for not having the foresight to see this happening. anyone above age 15 who cant reason "can auto-update" means "can break" is just stupid because they already experienced examples of this for certain.

>>95226 They do drag down the rest of us. This is undeniable.

>>95220 who the fuarrrk wants a screen on their fridge or in their car anyway? are normroids that stupid that they buy anything with a flashy screen and think its a good idea?

>>95228 In a rare defense of the normal people, due to their mindless uptake, they are forced into it to some extent. I fear running out of pre-2008 or so cars (some say pre OBD 2) which don't have wireless touchscreen trash all in them.

The phone culture deeply depresses me. A couple thoughts: 1) Something that keeps me from rotting all day on my phone or joining social media is the fact that I'm going to die. I worked for a year and half picking up dead bodies as a removal tech. That time shaped a lot of how I think now. I actually would rather be straight up bored out of mind than consume mindless advertising social media slop. It's such a fuarrrking waste of my time. Being bored can lead to rest or even creativity. I suppose I'm making a logical jump there that doesn't make sense. But I can not imagine being on my death bed and thrilled that I spent 6 hrs a day on my phone lmao. THAT SAID! I do like to read articles on my phone. Each person is different. I don't think smart phones are inherently bad, and people can use them effectively. But let's be real, most average people you see craning their tech neck over their phone is watching insta reels or tiktoks - I think they could think about dying more. 2) Then again, even if they thought about dying, they might not care. As other lains have said, people are selfish, lazy, and looking for quick thrills. Just so happens some of us get our thrills feeling superior to others (*cough* like the lains on this thread *cough*) and some people get thrills watching mukbang videos.

It's grim how things are going.

>>95257 >Something that keeps me from rotting all day on my phone or joining social media is the fact that I'm going to die. This kind of mindset is what motivated me to get off social media entirely (unless lainchan counts) and get rid of my smartphone entirely a few years ago. Just like you said, I'd much rather just stare at the wall and think, read, play an instrument, or even just fuarrrking sleep than watch a stream of videos I never asked for. I've told people my thoughts about how death should motivate them to do more, and the response I hear a lot is that 'it's scary' and makes them 'freeze' rather than motivates them to do things. When I hear this kind of response, it makes me think that most people have never truly sat down and thought about their own mortally. People are willfully ignorant and ignore how short their lives are. Or maybe they're just happy being continually pacified by their phones, watching endless feeds. It keeps death and their responsibilities off of their minds.

>>95297 willful ignorance is how most people seem to solve their problems which causes a lot of issues because all it means is the messenger gets shot and the problem is never addressed.

>>95098 Why would you even want that? Imagine if normal people would do that and by doing it threaten the cyber feudalists? They would find a way to either make it illegal or impossible instead of losing out on billions of dollars.

>>95305 the present world wouldn't even exist in first place if people werent such cattle.

>>95297 It is interesting to me how anxiety and fear can create such varying results in people. I would say my thoughts of death motivate me in every aspect of my life because I feel fear and anxiety about my mortality. But the thought of death and experiencing those same emotions (fear, anxiety) can leave some people completely demotivated and reaching for the latest fix; smartphones, tv, drugs, alcohol, beauty products, supplements, etc. I don't really want to believe that it's an intelligence thing. Since I think it's easy to have ego take over and just assume some people are cattle and dumb. But man... I don't know. Maybe a lot of people are just plain dumb. Thinking this way makes me sad, though. And honestly pries me away from community action against technocracy, because what would be the point? The retards would just fall for the next thing. The next advertisement, the next brain rot tv show, the next snapchat or tiktok. It would be an endless battle.

>>95307 >The retards would just fall for the next thing. The next advertisement, the next brain rot tv show, the next snapchat or tiktok. It would be an endles This thought is what led to the consideration religion was a good control mechanism for said retards. With it gone the population wasn't fixed, it just got hijacked by corps.

>>95306 at the end of the day all discussion is fruitless since there is no free will and humans are bound to their genes and environmental factors.

>>95310 The existence of determinism isn't the real reason people give up. People who believe their fate is to win keep going, those who believe they are meant to lose give up. Of course that's part of the deterministic system but realizing you don't know and its worth trying is also part of it and who knows maybe you will take a win if you try. Certainly higher chance than giving up.

>>95311 you have no say in what it is your doing. even if you make a change and "do" something. It will not be because you decided to do it

>>95313 >Of course that's part of the deterministic system literally already mentioned that. The point is that mindset can be the only difference between otherwise equal people. Some will read soykaf like this and get motivated some will stay on the path of believing determinism doomed them and never try. That too is part of determinism but its still this mental difference that makes all the difference and maybe someone reading this will get a positive influence avoiding the demoralized take from determinism which is the sole reason i commented.

>>95315 I just recommend to live without fear of failure as much as possible since it cannot be avoided anyway.

>>95313 determinism is an excuse for your weakness of character, it is not real. it's your delusion as your mind fails to comprehend the universe.

>>95316 This is all we really can do. It's worse to be frozen by fear and not do anything at all. I know people who act this way and I just can't even wrap my brain around the boring lives they must live. They're too afraid to go out, to go to this place, to go to that place, to take the bus, to go to the park, to talk to people, and so on. I couldn't imagine living life that is just so putrid and boring, but I guess the internet makes it easier to do this nowadays since there are so many different kinds of stimulation at our fingertips.

Bumping this thread to re-ignite discussion. fuarrrk smartphones, technology addiction, and the attention economy. I'm going to use next year to reduce my screen time even more. I'm going to spend more time with friends and family, outside and in the sun. I'm going to go more places, see more things, meet more people, and try to have as many meaningful experiences I can. I'm going to read more books, learn to play more songs on guitar, get better at scripting, and spend my time in far more valuable ways. fuarrrk smart devices and the parasite they have become on peoples' precious attention and time.

>>95912 God speed lainanon...

>>95088 I just wanted to link a short booklet on the topic of harmful design being utilized in the social media technology being used, focusing on it more from a philosophical and practical ethics POV. Also, when it comes to short-form content like TikTok, it's funny how they differ a lot when we compare the US and Chinese versions. Because Chinese officials require TikTok to curate the feed heavily, it's mostly about positive things, like career-stuff, some situational comedy skits, and reviews of products, whereas the feed on the US side is pretty degenerate. I tend to view the situation as China using the Western ideals of unbridled individualism and freedom and turning them against us by simply offering the platform that will magnify their expression to the nth degree. >>95106 >I've shown friends of mine niche websites and communities online, but it seems they always revert back to normal person social media. Probably because it's easier, addictive, and algorithmic like we said before. Any recommendations to give? I could use some in order to expand my horizon and disrupt my browsing routines, because I'm stuck between a handful sites, like a regional news site, neocities, lainchan, himovies, a logged out youtube, and a dictionary lmao.

>>95348 there is no reason to believe in free will. Virtually every justification of free will can be reduced to silly magical thinking. that doesn’t mean a person should just give up, if they are capable of not doing so, mind you, but determinism is a very reasonable position to hold.

>>96286 People offended by the concept of free will always have such weird characterizations of it. Also why even be offended by it if you're so convinced it isn't real, why even bother.

>>95348 >there is no reason to believe in free will. If free will doesnt exist, then, by definition you cannot choose to believe in its existence or its non-existence for that matter, rendering this whole discussion, or, rather, all discussions as well as actions quite pointless, since we cant help ourselves to think, feel or act the way we do. So you cant not stop commenting to this post, due to the fact that Im causing you to get emotiomally provoked by this message to obey your neurochemical programming to defend yourself because thats what your lizard brain is pre-determinedly programmed to do when faced with possible hostiles. >that doesn’t mean a person should just give up, if they are capable of not doing so, mind you, but determinism is a very reasonable position to hold. Dude, as we determined it already, you cant help it, if one were to give up or continue the fight. So its pointless to try to convince someone to do the opposite. Of course, you cant help yourself not respond the way you did to that lainons post, so all this lecturing on my part is quite pointless... but i cant help myself to just do it, because it was being determined regardless of my free will.

>>96303 >all discussions as well as actions quite pointless I would differ. The discussion may affect us, we just don't choose if and how. >>96301 >always have such weird characterizations of it. I can't characterize something that doesn't exist. >Also why even be offended by it if you're so convinced it isn't real I don't know why you would think everyone who doesn't believe in free will is offended by it. I'm not offended by something that doesn't exist. I could be offended with ridiculous notions or lies. "Cows eat trees" Whether I should is different topic but noone is offended by cows eating trees it's that it doesn't happen. Again personally I'm not offended because I understand the need to be in control.

>>96309 All this talk about free will etc boils down to the problem of consciousness. You have no right to be smug about it unless you solve it. And until it is solved, all discussions about free will are pointless.

>determinism >free will Totally compatible. In fact, if our actions were just random and had no bearing on such things as our state of mind, we would be less free. The only reason why people believe free will requires nondeterminism is because they have not freed themselves from the shackles of dualism.