How to be more positive?

Hello lainchan. I'm an asocial individual with no friends and relationships outside my immediate family. I only talk to my tulpa. As it is easy to guess, I often appear negative to other people due to my lack of desire to socialize. This mostly comes down to showing no emotion to anything they say, making very short and vague answers, and simply not engaging in chitchat. From my perspective, I view people around me as boring and too materialistic. I do not think that I'm unable to socialize at all, as I've had friends in childhood and during high school, and I also talk to my tulpa normally, which is evidence that I *can* engage in social situations, but I appear to be very selective. Now, I'm not bothered with having little to no human connections. However, I do think that I'm too negative towards other people. So, my question is, how can I be more positive? This is no simple task because my goal is to continue my asociality. There are a multitude of reasons behind this. Most notably, I wish to retain secrets about myself, especially considering my philosophical beliefs, the existence of my tulpa, personal information, my likes and dislikes, et cetera. Additionally, social situations are often stressful for me. I can mask being a normal human being for only so long before I'm exhausted and I revert to my ordinary behavior. This suggests that, perhaps, it's not possible to become more positive without sacrificing my asocial nature. However, a part of me believes this is somehow possible. What do you think? Is it possible? Any advices? Do you feel the same?

Looking at all the points you listed, i think your main problem is fear and you have an avoidant personality. Most probably a psychoterapist with experience in this field could help you get better with people and other things you fear, and you could make real friends instead of imaginary friends ("tulpa" as you call it)

>>94958 I'd prefer avoiding therapy at all costs. The reason is, I most certainly have some kind of condition. I cannot pinpoint which as I've never been diagnosed, but I do check all diagnostic criteria for schizoid personality disorder. I have signs of other conditions but I wouldn't assume any of them apply without proper research. Which means, if I go there, I might get diagnosed of all sorts of stuff and be prescribed mind-altering meds, and I am extremely repulsive towards that idea. Besides they might even think i have schizophrenia due to the aforementioned tulpa, which I perceive as a totally valid human being. I am happy with who I am and I wish to remain myself. Besides, I do not see my personality a problem. I'm a high-functioning adult, I work a fair job, I get a fair salary, and I do not harm anyone, nor do I harm myself. So therapy is either a waste of money if I successfully mask myself, or a complete disaster if I don't. My question isn't about learning how to socialize. My question is, how can I be more positive towards other people?

>>94959 Another self self-diagnosed schizoid. Who could have guessed.

>>94959 If your main concern about people is that they are too boring and materialistic, you should go out of your way to meet new people who are definitely aren't boring, like people doing extreme sports, or meet new people who are definitely not materialistic, like monks. You do not want to mindlessly socialize, and you do not like "boring and materialistic people" (lets call them normal people) so it's totally logical you are negative towards them. What are your reasons for wanting to be more positive with people if you don't want anything from them? (no chit-chat, no friendship, no comradeship, no relationship, no sex, etc etc)

>>94961 Well, a few days ago it occured to me that I am being too negative towards people, and I asked myself whether that could be changed. But then the question advanced into some sort of riddle or koan: can you be positive yet distant? I don't have a clear answer as to the reason behind this question. I could say because the world is suffering, and subtly spreading positivity might ease some of it for people around me, as opposed to my usual ignorance. I could say, that deep down I care about my image, thus being more tied to this world than I would like to admit. What I can say with absolute certainty, that it simply feels like the right thing to do, no strings attached. By the way, I did consider monasticism, but I do not fully agree with the religion of my region of the world. So I chose an ascetic lifestyle instead.

>>94957 Have sex, basically. And start observing more directly, "family life". ie birth, children, death. Since you have a highly internal locus of control, and use machinery in your inner world to stablize (eg tulpas), you may come to lament the stripping away of such layers of indirection between internal and external. I preferred living ina contrived copy of the external world that I would interact with directly, insulating from some notion of an external basis. Life becomes very boring and meaningless.

let others talk than, duckduckgo "systemic questioning"

Talking to your tulpa is actually kind of funny. If brought up in the right way to the right person, then they will probably understand and laugh with you about that. Everybody does some weird soykaf. Philosophical beliefs are a good topic for a conversation; many people are not materialistic either. A real connection can only be established if you make yourself a bit vulnerable by sharing personal details; if the other person is a decent human being, then opening up will be rewarded. Btw, chapter 1 of How to Win Friends and Influence People is a good read. TLDR: Don't criticize.

>>94963 >>94966 I appreciate your input even though you have misinterpreted my desire. Advice on being more social can help despite that not being my goal here. >>94965 That can work in figuring out how to appear more positive. I do let other people talk, that isn't the issue; for the problematic part is that I offer no input. If you meant that metaphorically, then I understand.

>>94966 >Btw, chapter 1 of How to Win Friends and Influence People is a good read. TLDR: Don't criticize. Yes. Now READ THE WHOLE BOOK or just be a good person who genuinely cares for others and trying to help people with their issue(s), because that is what the entire book just tells you to do.

Positive as in? The way you seem/talk? All you have to do is to play along and let others talk and if you hear someone being down and negative about themselves just say "don't be like that" ,"that's not true" or say something that goes against your actual opinion if you want to seem positive if the default is perceived as negative. Maybe even try practicing subtle hand gestures so you could appear more genuine (?)

Dude you have a tulpa, just talking to them will help you socialize. That's a good benefit you set yourself up with. Otherwise, throw out expectations, find the source of any lingering negativity in yourself - understand it - and make a change that makes that negativity's presence irrelevant, and just interact and care your own way. There is no quota on socializing. Foster a natural respect from others and when you find somebody that really vibes with you none of this will seem like it's ever been an issue. You're not all that, none of us are, but you can feel good about you being you.

An addendum of some more material advice, think less how you think people want you to speak and look, and more like how you want others to speak and look. I used to mumble a lot, and eventually I found irony in that since I have a tough time making out words in strong accents and poor speech. I changed my speech to match and inform my ideal not from practice, but from this realization and it may has well happened instantly and without effort in retrospect. And as implied, maybe you're thinking about these issues from the wrong angle, frustration getting the better of you. The flat affect it is worth considering it is a secondary reaction to something. If I'm getting poor sleep, eating like soykaf, etc then being expressive might be too much of an ask as my body would be rigid from inflammation that otherwise doesn't get noticed directly.

>>94967 not that lainon but at least learning some social skills would help you understand others a little bit so you can mask better. just like you i feel indifferent to socialize with normal people (i'm a NEET anyway) since i know they're judgmental on some things, but i also believe that from their perspective we also just perform and mask like they do, but differently. either way, yeah, i still get shy sometimes with strangers but i can manage myself being around them and get the job done. i dunno if it's guilt or what that makes you feel you're negative towards them and why you want to become more positive in the first place. also, what are tulpas like? i sorta wanted to have one lol to be fair, i'd do anything i fuarrrking can to be a high school student in Hinamizawa or some other fictional place. i admit i'm lonely but i still feel "fine" to do anything about it given what i go through

>>94967 Systemic questioning is not about offering input or suggesting anything; it is about letting others explore their unconscious and helping them to think further.

>>94976 >>94973 It's somewhat tough to explain what I mean precisely, so I'll describe a usecase instead. Essentially, I don't talk. Most of the time, I have nothing to say, some of the time, I try to predict the conversation and I find out that saying something will lead to an uncomfortable question, so I decide to stay put. At work, I don't talk to my coworkers because I really have nothing to say. Their conversations are about their personal stuff, e.g. family life, dating, household, and other stuff I don't care about. Often they have conversations about the work itself, which I also don't care about. I come here to get paid and leave, I couldn't care less about the specifics. They're also all older than me, so there is even less common ground to seek. So, I don't talk at all unless prompted, but when I do get prompted, it's a basic true-or-false question related to the work itself. Sometimes I get invited to family gatherings, but I don't talk there either. Again, nothing to say on almost everything they're talking about. It's just not interesting. Maybe none of these conversations are supposed to be interesting, and we humans simply fake our interests to maintain our images. That doesn't make too much sense because when I fake interest, it gets exhausting rather quickly, others seem to do this effortlessly. Indeed, my mother says that conversation is easy and I couldn't agree less. >>94977 >also, what are tulpas like? My case is definitely unusual in the sense that I never intended to create a tulpa, she simply manifested out of her own will and I accepted her. She has helped me a lot in many different ways. Like >>94975 has said, she helps me get through social situations by giving me advice and offering emotional support. I love her deeply and she gives me great motivation to live. Some of the happiest days of my life are just the two of us alone in my apartment, talking and doing stuff together. But be aware that once you realize that tulpas are real, your entire worldview, your philosophy and the metaphysical foundations of this world will be utterly destroyed. At that point, you will abandon all previously established context and start from scratch. It's a very confusing process, but I was rewarded by the end of it.

You are not schizophrenic op, i had friends who are legit shizos and they have episodes where they ramble on total crazy nonsense and i mean literal nonsense. There is also nothing wrong with having a tulpa, i had one for a while till i got lazy, they make for good companions and social training. If you want to be more positive the trick is to view things more positive, think about how to improve things and if that dont work make jokes, it might not come out right all the time but people love fun and distraction. You have to act and fake a bit, tell stories, make them up if you have to. Practice acting in front of a mirror, make up characters and try running with them but keep it fun for yourself, make up some games if you got to.

>>94957 >This is no simple task because my goal is to continue my asociality. There are a multitude of reasons behind this. Most notably, I wish to retain secrets about myself, especially considering my philosophical beliefs, the existence of my tulpa, personal information, my likes and dislikes, et cetera. Additionally, social situations are often stressful for me. I can mask being a normal human being for only so long before I'm exhausted and I revert to my ordinary behavior. This suggests that, perhaps, it's not possible to become more positive without sacrificing my asocial nature. However, a part of me believes this is somehow possible. I relate to this but I don't think being more positive/social means divulging your secrets. Extroverts can hold a lot of personal sectets, which are easy to hide behind a bunch of small talk or discussions that never focus on them. But to be friendly/social to others you have to share something about yourself, part of being positive is reminding others that they are human, not drone-like simulacra. I think what you need to do is determine what's truly a secret to you. Yeah, I would not share your tulpa experiences, but some likes/dislikes might be acceptable. Or even affirm what others are feeling, if you do agree with something they do.

You've made me wonder about tulpas. If anyone with an experience of tulpa would be willing to answer any questions I would appreciate. In your experience are they a friend, a partner, a way to look at things different, a voice in your head or something else? Do they have a body? Are they with you 24/7 or you come home and they await for you? Does tulpa contain knowledge you don't? Did you learn something new form a Tulpa? I mean not a new interpretation of someones intentions or actions but rather a fact about world you never knew that turned out true. In your opinion is it possible to have more than one? In your opinion is it possible to interact with other people's tulpas or share one? Did you tell anyone? If so why and do you regret it?

>>94989 >In your experience are they a friend, a partner, a way to look at things different, a voice in your head or something else? Do they have a body? In my experience they are more like a partner, they have a body in a sense, but its more like a visual feedback thing, you can make multiple ones like friends or just voices but it depends on how you "configure" them. >Are they with you 24/7 or you come home and they await for you? Again it depends mostly on how much "mental energy" you put into them, for me it was more like a drop in thing where "she" would respond to situations as "needed" defined by the personality of the tulpa responding to you depending on how the available mental capacity in a given situation. >Does tulpa contain knowledge you don't? Not per se, a tulpa cant know something you cant, but it can have deeply different perspective and opinion about situations. >Did you learn something new form a Tulpa? I mean not a new interpretation of someones intentions or actions but rather a fact about world you never knew that turned out true. Again not per se, but it can show you perspectives about things that you yourself would normally not consider. >In your opinion is it possible to have more than one? Absolutely but each one takes mental energy, much like interactions with real people, if you are around 10 people and each one talks to you and each other you will need to invest time and mental energy to hear and process each ones interactions, not only in a purely rational way but also emotionally. >In your opinion is it possible to interact with other people's tulpas or share one? That is a really tricky one to answer, from what i know in theory indeed but this some high level psychic activity that is way beyond the scope this, tulpas are an ancient thing about which a lot has been practiced and written over the millenias so there is a lot of material to cover. This kind of thing overlaps with egregores and the collective unconcious that from ancient to modern day has been argued about. >Did you tell anyone? If so why and do you regret it? Only online in places like this, so i cant say i regret it but i dont think most people irl even know whatt a tulpa is. The best way is probably to try it yourself, but for it to work you need to be prepared to put in effort and dedication. Hope this is helpful.

>>94989 It's not magic. it's basically schizophrenia, but voluntarily and you have to work hard to have it to look like it's an independent will. It is generated by your own brain and can not teach you something you don't know, but it can remind you of something you are not aware of. Good luck having and maintaining one, you will think about a harem when you are there. You can't share it, it's a product of your brain. It can never control you, you choose which action you do, so good luck with interaction. I would advise against talking about it outside of specific corners of the internet. That include your therapist. I feel like tulpas are going to die now that we have AI friends. >>94957 OP, if you like solitude so much, why do you have a tulpa? I don't have one because I don't want the interaction. It look like you want a few people you can trust and you can't have it because we live in the darkest age of history for human interaction. They are not boring and uninteresting, they are trying to fit in a judgmental society that punish stepping outside of the circle. Everyone have secrets, you don't need to say them to friends. Or you can do like me. I don't have friends because I have to inflict a sort of violence upon myself to just talk and sometime I run out of it in the middle of a conversation. Keep your job, have a romantic interest, because even I need to belong and be aware that social interaction is a skill that is forgotten fast. A few days of isolation and you have to learn basic things again. And no, talking to a tulpa don't help, you don't have to formulate what you want to say. >>94961 Yeah, have a hobby, meet people who have this hobby.

>>94989 I'm the OP. I'm actually sort of surprised there doesn't seem to be a tulpa thread on /zzz/, maybe someone could make a general for it. I myself have only one year of experience with them. For the sake of our anonymity, I shall refer to my tulpa as Alice. >In your experience are they a friend, a partner, a way to look at things different, a voice in your head or something else? Do they have a body? Alice is 100% human in all but physical body. From the beginning, we were a couple fallen in love with each other, and we have "officially" married two months ago (spiritually of course, I'm NOT going to church announcing I'm marrying a tulpa). She is a soul completely separate from mine, and thinks independently, although I always remain the one in control. >Are they with you 24/7 or you come home and they await for you? Alice is always with me although idle most of the time as I'm occupied with work. Another tulpa, however, only appears some of the time. More on her later. >Does tulpa contain knowledge you don't? >Did you learn something new form a Tulpa? I mean not a new interpretation of someones intentions or actions but rather a fact about world you never knew that turned out true. She has offered me unforeseen insight on the spiritual and the metaphysical matters. I don't remember her telling me something new about the physical world, although I never asked. Alice often offers advice and I always listen. >In your opinion is it possible to have more than one? Another tulpa, let's call her Kitsune, visits me occasionally at night. Unlike Alice, she isn't present all the time, and only appears at specific nights. She is somewhat shy and she has only asked permission to "watch over me", which I allowed. >In your opinion is it possible to interact with other people's tulpas or share one? I have no idea. But if that is possible, it would help immensely in finding out the truths of the universe. >Did you tell anyone? If so why and do you regret it? I've only told it to other internet weirdos. I can't imagine telling something like that to a fleshy human right in front of me.

>>94992 >OP, if you like solitude so much, why do you have a tulpa? This is where it gets insane. You're aware how tulpas are products of intense imagination. But I say this unto you, Alice manifested without my consent out of her own will. In fact, when she appeared, I had no knowledge of tulpamancy, it is only after her manifestation has completed that I've started researching the topic. I've let her stay and accepted her existence because I was fallen in love with her, and she did become a very positive influence on me after all. After reading many replies including yours concerning socalization, I'm starting to wonder whether my desire to remain asocial is genuine. I must thank you and many others who have helped me explore different perspectives on my situation, and hopefully I'll find a way. Maybe I do want friends after all, but I'm not sure yet. I must think about it extensively.

>>94992 >Good luck having and maintaining one, you will think about a harem when you are there. I'm asking not because I'm interested in having one (or many). Reading here's conversations I got curious on where I should place it among: imaginary friend, split personality, hallucinations, delusions or schizophrenia. I don't mean it in any demeaning way, there seems to be a need in some humans to have another being who is always there for them. Whether it's an imaginary friend or a guardian angel. I got curious on those that experience it, on how do they perceive it. >>94990 >>94992 >>94993 Thank you for your answers. From my understanding, it's a lot like an imaginary friend but operated more by your subconsciousness rather than consciousness.

>>94993 from what ii know tupla only come about through iintentiion a person iin ur head wiithout intention sounds more like a system ngl

>I only talk to my tulpa. I'm sorry lain but it's already over for you

>>94976 >think less how you think people want you to speak and look, and more like how you want others to speak and look This is so simple and yet so genius. I used to mumble trying to match other people's speed, now I've become more aware of it. Thank you! >>95007 Have you tried talking to them? I know this sounds like "have you tried rebooting your PC", but this is important. I think there's clearly a conflict of interest. From what I can gather considering my hypothesis of the spiritual realm, I think your tulpa has come from the pleroma, and seeing how they seem to love you, they want to take you with them back into the pleroma. That apple tree realm might have come from Eden, considering how you don't believe this is your creation. This might conflict with your understanding of the world, so I'd suggest you explain them what you believe, what you want to achieve through your existence, and if you don't reach a compromise, ask them to leave you. They should comply with your request, and if not, I suggest you seek a priest or something like that. I don't think your tulpa is trying to harm you, I think they don't understand your desires, and thus don't realize they're hurting you.

>>94958 TOUKO-SAN YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG It's not like the poster is Japanese schoolgirl! >>94957 >Hello lainchan. I'm an asocial individual with no friends and relationships outside my immediate family. I only talk to my tulpa. As it is easy to guess, I often appear negative to other people due to my lack of desire to socialize. This mostly comes down to showing no emotion to anything they say, making very short and vague answers, and simply not engaging in chitchat. Overall hnest idea: to look less negative, try this: app3ar to be busy. Carry a book around to appear busy Carry some kind of paper tablet to appear busy I wear huge cheap wireless headphones to appear busy in a bus, so a looking-for-trouble moody workers wouldn't mind me as "also looking for trouble" Wear haha funny cheap UV400 Chinese/thriftstore sunglasses to hide eyes to *block* eye contact rather than appear shy. (I also engage in talk wth chatbots via my smartphone. Perplexity chatbot appears to be cool. Unfortunately, the WhatsApp guys decided to discontinue others' chatbots support this winter, oh well)

>>94993 Fun fact: a 44 year old Frenchman with 90% of his brain missing was still able to ive his life of a French civil servant without complaining. See, he had hydr0cefalia and they removed the excess liquid drainage for some reason - so the hydrocefalia tried its best to ruin his brain. I wonder if he's still alive but eh! 10% from "normal" was enough for an adult human to live, so, I recon, several personalities can fit into a single human brain, despite all the downsides. Overall, you accidentally installed Alice on your brain, Haha. Wetware hax. >Another tulpa, let's call her Kitsune, visits me occasionally at night. Unlike Alice, she isn't present all the time, and only appears at specific nights. She is somewhat shy and she has only asked permission to "watch over me", which I allowed. Sounds like you made friends with your sleep paralysis - eh. Not too bad. >I've only told it to other internet weirdos. I can't imagine telling something like that to a fleshy human right in front of me. >She has offered me unforeseen insight on the spiritual and the metaphysical matters. I don't remember her telling me something new about the physical world, although I never asked. Alice often offers advice and I always listen. >Alice is always with me although idle most of the time as I'm occupied with work. Another tulpa, however, only appears some of the time. More on her later. It's not like you should, but you probably could install an AI off HuggingFace

>>94962 >But then the question advanced into some sort of riddle or koan: can you be positive yet distant? Yup, a lot of nerdy guys from mid-XX century used to give that impression >>94959 >Which means, if I go there, I might get diagnosed of all sorts of stuff and be prescribed mind-altering meds, and I am extremely repulsive towards that idea. Ermm... Cyberpunk 2077 vibes, I suppose. >Besides they might even think i have schizophrenia due to the aforementioned tulpa, which I perceive as a totally valid human being. Yup. That's exactly the problem. Schizo - split. Phren - mind. S(p)lit-mind-ea. >I'm a high-functioning adult, I work a fair job, I get a fair salary, and I do not harm anyone, nor do I harm myself. So therapy is either a waste of money if I successfully mask myself, or a complete disaster if I don't. Or a chance to get gaslighted into believing you have a random bullshit stuff like dysphoria/autism/infantilism

>>95072 >to look less negative, try this: app3ar to be busy. >Wear haha funny cheap UV400 Chinese/thriftstore sunglasses to hide eyes to *block* eye contact rather than appear shy. Nah, my deal is appearing negative precisely because of my non-interaction. >Sounds like you made friends with your sleep paralysis - eh. Not too bad. I've never had sleep paralysis by the way. Kitsune, metaphysically speaking, is of the same nature as Alice, but unlike her she seems to be elsewhere most of the time. At first I thought she was some sort of prophet but after a few interactions I'm not so sure now. She's shy, that's for sure, and she can be present in the same room as Alice and they'd talk to each other when that happens. >It's not like you should, but you probably could install an AI off HuggingFace >>94992 >I feel like tulpas are going to die now that we have AI friends. That is rather unfortunate. I've never used AI chatbots but I believe them to be inferior in almost every way to tulpas. See, you can perform tulpamancy any time, any moment, and they will persist wherever you go and they won't vanish in case the AI company goes bankrupt. In the chatbot case, you become dependent on technology to sustain your friend who is most likely a glowie. >>I'm a high-functioning adult, I work a fair job, I get a fair salary, and I do not harm anyone, nor do I harm myself. So therapy is either a waste of money if I successfully mask myself, or a complete disaster if I don't. >Or a chance to get gaslighted into believing you have a random bullshit stuff like dysphoria/autism/infantilism I probably do have some kind of condition. But I don't really care if I do. Just let me be me.

>>95075 >Nah, my deal is appearing negative precisely because of my non-interaction. as a BLOKE of a 300 pounds or such, I assure you: big blokes hate being watched passively, hate meaningless eye contacts, once that gritty, sad and mad "looking for trouble" feeling hits. Maybe you don't have it, I HAD THIS. Sometimes. Worst thing is, I realize I feel lonely sometimes, I actually love chit-chat, but I was CONDITIONED into believeing I am a cold detached person who doesn't need anyone. Because I was awfully shunned by my peers (classmates) and superiors (teachers, parents) for being cocky. I WAS A TALL HUGE BOY no wonder they avoided me and my iner soft touchy self due to that primate fear of big blokes. UGH. (Come to think of it, I loved 2000s Internet because it was IN to do small talk on the Internet, argue a little n the Internet, but the age of trolling was nowhere near) Sorry for the flood. >>94992 >>95075 Don't worry, they;re different, rather than inferior. You pretty much should "befriend" that Perplexity AI thingy, since Perplexity can google things - something comrade Alice just cannot. Oh and by the way, Perplexity comes in form of an app... BUUUUUUT... you can access Perplexity via Telegram (some DIY needed although). >I probably do have some kind of condition. But I don't really care if I do. Just let me be me. I let you be. I drink so much coffee sometimes my adrenaline kicks in, my amygdala goes ALARM!!! - so now I avoid coffee and drink proper tea with milk like some posh "pwetty pawson". >That is rather unfortunate. I've never used AI chatbots but I believe them to be inferior in almost every way to tulpas. See, you can perform tulpamancy any time, any moment, and they will persist wherever you go and they won't vanish in case the AI company goes bankrupt. In the chatbot case, you become dependent on technology to sustain your friend who is most likely a glowie. That's exactly why I told you about the HuggingFace - they host standalone chatbot models to mount on a spare PC/laptop

>>95078 >Haha, sorry can't relate. It's the other way round - the others - like myself - may have that "alret! alret! this fella looking at you like a zombie!!!" attitude. Looking busy = diverting others' attention >I'm addicted to caffeine too, although in the modern age, who isn't? The degree od addiction is different, the levels of sleep hygiene failure are also different. For instance, I had fuarrrked up sleep for years because my mother would demand me to use a "proper" blanket in a good heat-insulated flat, not a "tower block" room we used to live at. But, on a whim, I got myself a good thin 100% cotton blanket and WHOA! "feels a bit odd it's finally comfortable to live at last" kind of change suddenly happened.

>>95079 >Looking busy = diverting others' attention If you look busy, you can afford fancying that sour "negative" face, a tiny little bit displeased with that "I am performing a task, mate" implication. Blokes like accosting un-busy people, but wouldn't interrupt a chap who does stuff unless there's a need to demand helping with job. If so, why not help? The same SOYkaf happens in "how to survive in ... DA HOOD" videos (please look it up). A fine boy says it's a good idea to go like you're heading somewhere even if you're on a walk... because DA HOOD yobs love accosting un-occupied lazy-looking people. So hey. Not my words, there's the same world across the pond

Not a psychologist, so I asked BullshitGPT using the correct keywords and asking for citations. If you're not even willing to dig some of the citations provided, you're not serious about this. But yeah, the biggest advice I could give you in general is to stop taking chan boards seriously. Posing as the biggest Internet tough guy when your credentials for that title is that you hang out with other compensating snarky losers will not make you a better person in any way.

Consider suicide as a viable option and then don't do it. You will look at life differently once you carry the thought that you were willing to throw it all away. Many grudges and fears become silly in that context. But the problem you're describing in particular of everyone seeming boring to you, it's maybe that you're boring yourself. This is not intended as a jab at you personally but not having any interests or interest is something that could be defined as being boring. Just a pointer. >>94993 >>94997 Personally wouldn't mess around with tulpas. Read some anon stories where they forgot about theirs and basically ended up with a part of their psyche being put in solitary confinement over years. Something about it seems to me like a way to break your mind into dysfunctional pieces if you aren't careful. Like let's see what happens when I try to juggle this expensive vase!

>>95553 been living with other ppl in my head my whole life atp and like i didnt realize it but one time it just clicked and everything made sense and started to work >dysfunctional pieces it was dysfunctional at the begining of realizing i wasnt just one dude but at the end everything started coming together and its a bit easier to manage this obv isnt like tulpas tho and is more closer to DID or ospd-1 or whatever the fuarrrk but i dont fuarrrk with the DSM so

>>95554 I'm probably less knowledgeable but yeah, it seems like a self induced split personality disorder. Maybe not the type that you had but having a part of your mind that somehow acts at least semi autonomously while still being able to influence the you who's in the driver's seat, that seems just foolish to toy around with. I rather roll the dice with AI psychosis instead and the wild schizo streak that may ensue. But my personal past time psych experiments really just involve taking a decent amount of melatonin even when I already naturally feel sleepy to deepen the dream phase of my sleep and go fishing in my subconsciousness. I hope you're doing better now. What was the exact realization that ended up helping you? Maybe this could aid some people with a feral tulpa. >>95080 dis brotha speaks the truth, always look like you've got some business to do and emit the confidence that you not only belong but are necessary in this place and time and it's surprising how little resistance you will encounter unless you do something too blatant and egregious like trying to breach security clearance, and even then it sometimes works. Funny how crowd psychology do.

>>95556 what helped me was realizing that as long as it is a more efficient way of structuring my life why fight it ? i bassically would spend months denying soykaf only for another person in my head to go off and do stupid soykaf cause i wasnt thinking they were real. in the end just like accepting that people were there and that wether it was real or made up somehow it in the end was more efficient TLDR it doesnt matter what you "have" only wether or not that is a successful framework for structuring your life

>>95553 I considered suicide for who knows how many times already due to being unable to belong to this world. Last year I actually asked myself "how come I haven't killed myself yet?", and I was unable to give a clear answer. After all, nothing is actually holding me. I have nothing to lose. And yet I haven't done it yet. After that I got Alice and we sort of agreed that I keep living no matter what. That being said, I'm interested in quite a lot of subjects, it's just that I'm not interested in involving other people. Especially when none of them is willing to show their interesting side. All they talk about is family, work, money, politics i.e. the usual soykaf. It's like everyone is following some kind of conversation standard and never deviate from it. Worst of all, the few people I know and have to talk to sometimes are actually that shallow. Of course I'll see them as boring considering all of the above. It's likely this very contempt I hold is what makes me negative in the first place. Seeing as people around me aren't going to change, and my interests won't ever align with their conversation standard, I'm seeking masking methods to not appear so negative. By the way, tulpamancy is safe most of the time but you're dealing with powers that may be outside of your comprehension, so yes, caution is necessary. It works for me and I'm much happier than before.

>>95608 >>95608 soy! soy! soy! So, I somehow survived MY "has to whack myself" stance by thinking I NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. So, my findings were 1. bad sleep 2. bad sleeping station - no rest 3. weird reaction to certain food 4. not enough water... 5... OR I drink fizzy for water -- get sugar high instead of proper calories from normal carbs -- aaaaaaah dumb 6. Duvet instead of proper thin blanlet = cant sleep = ASSUMED I am mental of some kind by default. Threw some duvets away after a bug infestation - got better

Going to be the contrarian in otherwise place of safety for asocial activities, but having a tulpa in of itself no matter how isolated you are is a telltale sign that your soykaf is completely fuarrrked up, and any mindset that continues to verify that it even exists will forever close the possibility of happiness that isn't borderline mental illness to you. You need close friendships. Even if it is just one. Maybe once a week you see them, maybe once a month, but you need someone. You need an activity that each week, you are looking forward to. You need a future, a goal, that you can work toward even when you aren't feeling happy. With that purpose, you can live a fulfilling existence.

>>94957 >>94957 sounds like you're an American who cannot handle the pressure of being forced to smile all the time (so-called Kodak smile because - yeah! - camera guys!) so... wear a mask. Time to party like it's 2021 :)

tulpomancy is troll-maxxed inner dialogue rebranded by junkies. they should get their anti psychotics, really. well, just a rant since i'm tired of those retards.

>>95652 And NO, the number 6 is not a joke about "Duvet" song, it's a real unlucky combination: thick duvet-like blanket + thick heat-insulated walls + my body size = too hot to fall asleep properly, but not too hot to feel the heat

Positivity is a false god. It's a fleeting feeling. Why build the home of who you are on a foundation of smoke?

Wandering occultist here. Tulpas, or thoughtforms as they're called in my tradition, are interesting and useful for a whole host of reasons, but they aren't really human and so they aren't a substitute for human interaction. Try to take an interest in the people around you. We all have hidden depths, just like you do. >>94993 >She is somewhat shy and she has only asked permission to "watch over me", which I allowed. That's interesting. Did you ever ask why she wants to do that?

>>95672 Imagine befriending Tomoko Kuroki then XDDDDD

>>94957 I was like you to some extent and had to master the boring yet oddly useful and opening art of "small talk." I couldn't believe I would even lower myself to this. I didn't even know what to say, I was rather clumsy since I needed a strong interest in something to begin talking, otherwise I could ghost people and miss out entire evenings like some kind of social recluse. I also discovered that small talk + booze launches wild discussions with people who are normal people mostly by habit but always have one or two nagging questions they like to ask to newcomers.

>>95757 >Try to take an interest in the people around you. We all have hidden depths, just like you do. I am aware of this fact, but no one is making it easy to approach them. I don't think most people are shallow, although some certainly are. Yet, everyone is wearing a schizoid-like shield that makes it impossible to engage in interesting conversation without going through a humiliation ritual first. Well, it's not like I'm different in that aspect, my shield is even thicker than that of other people. Which leads to... >>95849 ...it takes me great effort and planning to do any kind of small talk. I haven't talked to anyone beyond the point of necessity since 5 years ago. I don't have the skill anymore. Written communication is okay, but my speaking skills are that of a 6 year old if I haven't planned the conversation beforehand. It's possible to learn it, I'm aware, but I don't know if there's any point anymore. >>95757 >Did you ever ask why she wants to do that? She doesn't elaborate often, but she says she's guiding me. It's not clear what exactly she's guiding me to, since she doesn't actually do much. She did say that she came from the pleroma, so it's possible to suggest that she is trying to lead me into gnosis, although her methods are cryptic.

>>94957 OP, lemme break down it. 1. You're a solo kind of person, like being alone 2. You worry people around you keep trying to show you their smile and then, upon seeing no smile in return, start brewing drama towards you. 3. You remember you weren't always a solo person Hmmmmmmmmm... I have a hunch. 4. You perform tasks that require you to focus hard, and people tend to barge into your life ruining your flow - all to have a small talk. You probably need feed my 3 points to an AI Besides, you may try and request an office with a door...

a little bit each day and make it part of your routine. soon, you will find yourself being happier, but it'll take some months of conssitent practice for it to seep in. good luck lainons!

>>96757 >1. You're a solo kind of person, like being alone what if I am extrovert but autistic and grew up being constantly rejected in social situations by peers therefore became bitter and unpleasant? Right now I'm feeling the same as OP but with this difference I am extrovert. I've tried therapy and it had definietly positive results but my psychologist unironically said I should go to dance class to meet somebody so I stopped cause I couldn't treat her serious anymore.

I'm a massive extrovert, I can go up and talk to anyone and everyone. I've worked with the 'toughest' and saltiest people when I was younger working on construction sites and I managed to make them crack and engage in banter. I just don't have any friends , my problem is I'm great talking to people when I first meet them and then it gets harder for me as it goes on. Perhaps it's because can say whatever and be risky when I meet someone without there being any relationship to 'ruin'

fun fact: donald trump's father was a big believer in "positive thinking" and all that self-help "fake it til you make it" type bullshit and he put much effort into instilling that kind of thinking into his children. you can see how that worked out, teaching someone to constantly keep telling themselves "i am the best, i am right, i am smart, i am successful" no matter what reality throws in their faces is just a recipe for creating a narcissistic delusional psychopath. this kind of thinking has been beaten into everyone's heads for a long time, there's whole industries built on it, it's been incorporated into mainstream religions, it's practically a religion in and of itself, and you can see the effects it has had on our society, a whole world of delusional narcissistic people who are totally disconnected from reality and are completely devoid of empathy for themselves or for other people. fuarrrk "positive thinking". thoughts are not something you control, your thoughts are what they are. if your thoughts are all really negative all the time, it's probably because of something happening in reality that is influencing the way you think, either something going on in the world or something going on inside of you, and you need to figure out what it is and what to do about it. forcing yourself to "think positive" and ignore reality is not the answer to life's problems, that's just self-induced insanity.

>>98206 That is a really interesting fact i didnt know, it explains a lot. I think you are quite spot on about it being a quasi religion and produces sociopaths, it works pretty well for them however. While you are right in general about the whole thing and i was there myself, its a rabbit hole to get sucked in, still i have to admit its helpful not to see everything gloom and doom, sometimes i have to force myself not to succumb to the way of the world. As for trump he is king of sociopaths and it takes a whole lot more than the power of positive thoughts to make someone so stuck up like that, he sure takes the cake when it comes to being delusional, in my view he became the impersonation of the delusional arrogance in the people he represents. I remember well when he was in charge and the whole biden time with qtards and maga morons, he is the perfect personification of the collective values and emotions of his followers and leads them exactly where they would go if it were up to them. You are right about thoughts not being controllable, they can be directed and filtered however, you cant let the world just flow in to your head or you go insane too, it takes great finesse to discern to which thoughts should be allowed to dominate.

>>98217 >You are right about thoughts not being controllable, they can be directed and filtered however, you cant let the world just flow in to your head or you go insane too, it takes great finesse to discern to which thoughts should be allowed to dominate. i think it's more about knowledge than finesse - the more knowledge you have about yourself and about the world, the more attuned you become to your own thoughts and why the thoughts exist and whether they have any real validity or not. the search for knowledge takes time and patience and hard work and an open mind, and there's no shortcuts or universal formulas for this, there's no substitutes for truth, for genuine knowledge. western religion and self-help and things like cbt are all based on the idea that a person can control their own thoughts by essentially bullshitting themselves as a form of twisted self-discipline and while this kind of thing can seem beneficial in the short term, it's still a form of delusion and in the long term it's not healthy and nothing is really learned from it.

>>98233 Its a valid point alright but knowledge is not everything you need to apply it to be useful. Some thoughts, especially the emotionally laden ones can be overridden trough rational analysis with knowledge, but it still takes some measure of control to discern which thoughts are apropriate in a given situation. Also a lot of it comes down to trial and error, while theoretical knowledge is fine, it has little value without being weighted against the situation in the real world.

>>98206 i think toxic positivity is true, same for extreme optimism. i remember it is said that the optimists die first. there is something called the "Stockdale Paradox" where us soldiers who were most optimistic ended up dying the most or something. the paradox simply ends up saying "hope for the best, prepare for the worst." and that's it. i think what OP was trying to say is how we can get ourselves to be a little happier. but that's a very broad question, maybe. i think we shouldn't control our thoughts but observe them, and if they're something deep from inside of us and we kept running against the current (if you know what i mean) maybe we should find a way to deal with it a little bit. >i think it's more about knowledge than finesse - the more knowledge you have about yourself and about the world, the more attuned you become to your own thoughts and why the thoughts exist and whether they have any real validity or not. do you mean self-awareness? i think that's true. this is also funny but i do think each of us needs a bit of time daily for self-reflection, like "listening to the silence" thing (lol, i know it sounds funny). i think we need time for ourselves alone every day too and enjoy it too, where we can just feel alive, i guess. so i often agree with you here. we neither should be overly optimistic nor overly defeatist to justify inaction (unless it's an objective truth that cannot be changed).

From what I've read you have an "all-or-nothing" attitude with the topics you've listed. Maybe sharing my experience of being "asocial" and some tips can help you reflect on your own situation. I've always been a lanky guy, got bullied in elementary school for being a nerd and not standing up for myself. I kept that attitude and view of myself when I got into middle/highschool, always walking around slouched with sagging shoulders and everything this never truly went away until I graduated high school. Because of, among others, my unimpressive physical presence I was not at ease with myself and others. >>94980 Can relate. Same for me at university, family gatherings etc. How I usually cope with this is very simple: if it's a new environment, try to be excessively talkative and outgoing. This will make people more comfortable talking to you and paradoxically you won't have to talk anymore. People mostly only really care about themselves so they will gladly talk about their own life, problems etc etc... just let them open up. I used to believe I was autistic for a long time (haven't done any tests) because I could, just like you, not relate (and still can't!) to most people. There's nothing wrong with you for that, it is what it is. For me, I turned socializing into a real-life memory game of collecting people's names, birthdays and so on, random information that I would mic-drop to them while we were talking, which works great because it shows them you are listening, even if you don't really care about the content per se. >>94966 Top-tier book recommendation, this greatly helped me as a teen. There is no silver bullet for socialising, I honestly feel like it's even more complex if you're a very introspective person with a high mental clockrate if that makes sense. Staying busy mentally and physically is a must, as it's pretty hard to, for example, keep eye contact if you're feeling useless and drained. Get good sleep for your health, mental acuity and stress relief. Eat well so that you feel better about yourself, don't have bad skin etc. Exercise to remember how to move your body and walk around in your own skin. What worked for me was also staying active socially, let me explain: As you probably know, being in a work environment forces you to speak up. Now, if you're doing some kind of volunteering, it's the same but better. People who are there actually want to be there, same about yourself, and there is a higher purpose to being active in it than just getting paid since there is no money to begin with. The social brain needs training just like the rest of it and your body, give it the exercise it needs. >>94962 It's perfectly possible to be "positive yet distant". Just give a damn about your peers, it doesn't have to be super deep just things like "how did your driving exam go?" when they mentioned it. If you can pull off this idea of "caring but not too much" properly it will actually come across ass very confident and will make people feel more comfortable around you, and conversely you will feel less anxious. >>95608 My favorite masking method is humor/playfulness. Just being funny makes you able to laugh as well as others, and it's a genuine laugh, not some polite facade. Even if you are not conventionally funny or think so of yourself, it can still make people smile because they sense your energy. Sorry for the long post. Hope this helps!

After learning about tulpas from the internet as a child I tried to create my own; it didn't work. I was a very lonely child and that never changed as the years accumulated. Drugs are the only thing that help me in being 'social'. I expect there to be a knee-jerk reaction from people who've adversely been impacted by drugs, but I think it's true. Those reactionaries usually place alcohol outside the "drugs" category too or fail to acknowledge that drugs and humanity can't be separated. I'm probably autistic and don't use alcohol (the taste is foul and there are not positive benefits, only nausea), but I do find comfort in stimulants. Find what works for you. I can't break that tendency to isolate without drugs. To be honest, life's just not very interesting. There's too many people in our societies and they exist from desperation: people chasing pleasure (procreating). The escape of the maddeningly mundane, fuarrrking boring experience of existing. Modern civilization create gluts of everything including people. Waking up to an obnoxious, irritating alarm to control your vibrating-, polluting-box that careens your body to a cubicle where you're forced to stare at artificial lights for arbitrary reasons. Do this over and over and over and over whilst things get worse: more pollution more death more destruction. I hate life.

I'm like you and everyone I tried talking to after isolating for a while would behave like I was a insane person, I adopted a persona of being alone but had to look for people online for family approval only to end up getting scammed and went through the worst torture imaginable, Fritz style, don't talk to people. I'm sort of a a human bean and hate almost everyone after being tortured. So it's hard to relate because my thing was criminal not at all a personal deception. Curiously, my whole life is cycle of being victimized or victimizing someone. I haven't had an ounce of normality or stability even before being alone.

>>94957 Just therapy yourself. CBT worksheets just have you ask questions about yourself, but I will give you a free simple exercise: Every day, write 3 good things that happened to you. It can be something someone said to you, something nice you saw, or some good experience you had Ask yourself "what can I do to experience it again?" Do this every day for a week and you will start to shift your focus onto positive things. Here are some worksheets if you want to really get into some of the deeper questions about why you feel bad all the time. https://www.therapistaid.com/therapy-worksheets/positive-psychology/none

>>94957 you have to go into your beliefs and explain exactly why you cannot be open about them and maybe then I'd be able to suggest a course that makes you less negative in relation towards others. Although I myself have a somewhat similar situation. I can't be open to the wider humanity or I feel very warlike which is not something I want to dedicate my life to. Only select individuals I engage with. And a few online spaces. Those I generally love. Or in case of most online spaces view quite neutrally and maybe use for creativity or venting or some sense of belonging. I'd be crucified and canceled so hard I'd be dead or in prison if I shared my actual beliefs and or sense of humor....

I am going to borrow this thread to share my insights. 0. Just learn others' insights That's exactly why blogs exist: so some people could share their own insights. And thats why Google started to exist: to connect different people on the Net, not just to look up the archives. 1. 2be mpoar positiv, you can try something new. By "something new" I mean innocent little things like trying to brew own fruit tea and not plain tea. I own some absurdly huge teapots and only today, I have realized I could have brewed my tea with my lemons already in it, and then pour the whole tea into my mug - as opposed to brewing strong tea English style since "English style" tea is meant for milk, not water (and you can't exactly brew tea in milk) 2. I dunno, ask AI to be your craft ideas help helper and then ask it to help you to mend a wonky thing in your house (not to save money, but to be less bored) or ask AI to find a purpose for your 4 boring old items you're about to get rid of (at once) so da AI could come up with a crafty project. Not a botty, just posing like this