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I hate humanity so much. Not just in the typical "misanthrope" way of "omg humans are so selfish i hate them" like i genuinely feel disgust and revulsion when I see humans on the street or see myself in the mirror. Even seeing humans in the form of movies of videos still makes me feel utterly repulsed. The way humans look, the way they sound, it all disgusts me. My disgust is multiplied ten times for neurotypical humans. I dont know why i feel this way.

>>94948 You´re Fuminori Sakisaka.

Mankind is pretty physically ugly these days. Eugenics is real, but the application was dysgenics. Making people weaker, to be more subservient, and dependent on help from the system to fix or paper over manufactured problems.

Me and my friends do too, we spend most of our time venting and discussing how much we despise people and humanity in general. One of my buddies has made lots of enemies by calling out random people in the park. Another good friend of mine often remarks how much he hates them, even tho he tries not to since hate is irrational as he tells us, but you can tell he is boiling with anger and its not good for any of us. There are lots of solid reasons why you feel this way, especially modern day ones, they are the embodyment of glutony and arrogance, ugly and unsightful too. In time i mostly got over this hatred in movies and media, but often in real life this overwhelming hatred comes to the surface. Also this >>94951

>>94951 > Mankind is pretty physically ugly these days Still, there’s a small percentage of peak physical phenoms like myself—athletes, fighters, lifters, and the like - born from the blending of different gene pools. In my case, R1b and W.

>>94953 >Still, there’s a small percentage of peak physical phenoms like myself—athletes, fighters, lifters If anything, i feel the most disgust for humans like that. I find masculinity utterly repulsive. Hypermasculine men all seem like barbaric, loud, obnoxious, brutes to me.

>>94948 On my college campus, for every physically attractive person I see there are 100-200+ ugly people. I assume it's even worse for intelligence. >>94951 >Eugenics is real, but the application was dysgenics. Sometimes I wonder what society would look like if we went the hitler route >>94953 >>94968 Physiques or job titles don't make men attractive. It's the authenticity and intelligence behind everything they are. Very few men in history have achieved and reached such states of pure authenticity. Most are slaves to thoughts, ego, or sins.

>>94948 Misanthropy is a good coping mechanism in the short term, and it's a shoulder to fall on. But every time I think the world is so bad I live a little longer and look back on it with a better perspective. You're probably not up to the task of hating everyone. That emotion inevitably fades after a while, so don't think it defines you.

>>94969 >>94968 Physicality is not about having a muscular or athletic body, and especially not about masculinity or femininity. These are sinister mental models that attempt to obscure eternal archetypes. Such models were created to cloud our judgment and to sow conflict among us. What I was referring to is pure, undivided awareness - being empty of all modern conditioning, and especially of what we currently call the ego: the illusion of individualism and separation. The body is important; it is our temple. That is why we begin with it, so we can have a foundation to build upon.

>>94948 What if humanity is awesomesauce?

Learn to like yourself and you will tolerate other people. >>94951 Idiocracy is real. The hood is full of baby mamas living off welfare while women who carry good genetic focus on their career until 45. >>94969 >Uncle A. About 20 years of making a lot of Germans and then slowly going back to normal, either the Spanish way or the USSR way.

>>94970 I wouldnt say i hate everyone, I just have a general disgust for everyone. Human social norms, general human goals and aspirations, the way people behave and interact with eachother, it just all feels so alien and repulsive to me. The way people look also just seems wrong to me for sme reason. Because of these reasons, humans make me feel discomfort and disgust, but its never really hatred. Theres many people I do hate of course but its usually more because of who they are as a person rather than me automatically hating every person i meet. >>94995 >Learn to like yourself and you will tolerate other people. If only I had any likeable qualities that i could learn to like about myself.

>>95001 I don't know you and yet I know you have them. Nobody is all bad or all good. Is it problem solving, is it a capacity to endure or to learn? You have an handful of qualities, even the worse person does.

>>95001 How do you feel about other species? Foxes are pretty cute, cats too. What do you think about chimps, orangutans?

>>95001 >If only I had any likeable qualities that i could learn to like about myself. Something is blocking your mind. Try exploring yourself through different perspectives and contexts. A sense of humor definitely helps. For instance, I am socially mute, and I only talk to people when prompted, and even when that happens, I say something very short and vague. My hobby is learning foreign languages. I've combined these two aspects into hilarious self-irony: look at all these languages I can't speak! It might come off as grim but hey, it does feel funny to me, and I like a good laugh. Maybe you could try this method. Otherwise, explore other threads and see how other people see things and try their methodology also. You must love yourself first before you can love anything or anyone else.

>>94948 That particular bully who ruined your childhood is probably a decomposed mummy somewhere in da forest, with 9 grams from a 9 lodged in his head. Sorry to hear you have to deal with this "repulse", big cities tend to do that.

I don't hate, but I do feel human bodies are repulsive. I think this is a consequence of living amongst hyper-media. Where ideas can be distilled into more appealing forms. I think that's why I used to like anime so much. It's an appealing abstraction of humanity. It's actually devoid of humanity besides the voice-actor and then it's a crafted performance that doesn't exist in the real world.

>>94951 Humanity is physically more beautiful and more intelligent than ever. This is due to several factors: many people (men and women) don't need to do hard physical labor, many people keep out of the sun, health care is generally more advanced and can minimize most ailments that would in the past cause deformities both during pregnancy and as a child, people don't drink as much during pregnancy, lead exposure is less common, and because marrying for love is more common sexual selection is much stronger. On top of all this, we have cosmetic products that are cheaper and much less toxic than most historical ones. Basically, you have your facts wrong and you're using it to come to a repulsive conclusion (forced sterilization / genocide). Ironically, many people who advocate eugenics are also salty that hot guys sometimes have sex with many people, or are fearful that black men are going to seduce their partner. What would be more eugenical than someone with superior sexual characteristics impregnating as many women as possible? What could be more dysgenic than removing genes associated with intelligence, wealth, physical strength, and big penises (lol) from the gene pool? The logical conclusion of eugenics is c**koldry, not genocide.

>>95005 I find most animals to be very cute. I do feel disgust towards spiders and some insects. However I do still try to avoid killing insects and spiders even though they disgust me. >>95006 I appreciate the advice but im afraid I dont have the sense of humor for that kind of method. Exploring myself usually just leads to more self-hatred as i find more things to dislike. And im not sure how im supposed to make me love myself. I cant control what I love and what i dont, I cant force myself to feel love for me when I dont. >>95048 My bullies are all probably much more succesful than me now. They were all popular, good at socializing, and talented. Thats the kind of traits that humanity rewards and reinforces. >>95049 Yeah I can relate. I dont feel that same disgust for anime characters, especially if the artstyle is more cartoony. Thats probably why I gravitate towards things that have more cutesy and unrealistic artstyles as they look more abstracted from real humans

>>95057 1. Some traits people are attracted to are misaligned with what's actually beneficial. 2. Individual choice is an illusion. Much of what people do is the result of indoctrination.

>>95058 >My bullies are all probably much more succesful than me now. statistically unlikely. People that bully as children and young teenagers tend to do it because they don't have / don't know any other way to climb the social ladder. They tend to go nowhere in life unless they grow out of it, because they can't make friends. Adult bullies, which are the people who are more likely to be "successful", are almost never identifiable as bullies when they are children. >>95060 1. Most of them are beneficial by any reasonable metric. For instance: good health, body symmetry, size/strength, not smelling bad, social intelligence, having money/prestige. You may value other things, but it is pretty hard to argue that people aren't mostly attracted to beneficial traits. Anyway, the relevant question is whether people are more attractive today than before. People pretty much by definition are attracted to attractive people. 2. Yeah, the shadow government made me attracted to my gf. Sure.

>>95064 >any reasonable metric My metric is what's beneficial to society's stability and advancement. People are such that many will send love letters to serial killers in prison. We're not hunter gatherers anymore. Isaac Newton never had children, and his contribution to humanity is greater than every athlete combined and multiplied by 1000. "Superior sexual characteristics" are worthless in comparison to what he had. The discrepancy between people's nature and what society demands, is only going to get larger.

>>95065 >My metric is what's beneficial to society's stability and advancement. Okay, then people should be healthy, symmetrical (implies all sorts of positive things about early fetus/child development and lack of genetic defects), physically strong to do all the labor that is still physical, socially intelligent so they can get along in society, should be good at acquiring/keeping resources, etc. >People are such that many will send love letters to serial killers in prison. extreme outliers. >We're not hunter gatherers anymore Yet a surprising amount of skills/abilities that were relevant when we were hunter-gatherers are still relevant today. Also, peoples' attraction is changing in response to what society demands. A few hundred years ago, very few people cared if their potential spouse could read. Now that literacy is more widespread, illiteracy is now a dealbreaker for a large fraction of the population. I could list more examples. >Isaac Newton never had children extreme outlier. His unsociability and general derangement is the main reason why he didn't develop his own ideas as much as other people did. Leonhard Euler had 13 children and he was a mathematician and physicist at least on par with Newton.

>>95066 If you can't spot the difference between Leonhard Euler and the typical types who have an excess of children in the modern day, I don't know what to tell you. Whatever makes you optimistic I guess.

>>95067 I know you want me to conclude that it's black people that are the problem, but actually the difference is that having 13 children was quite normal back then, and it's less normal now. Terrence Tao has two kids already.

>>95068 Compare Africa to East Asia. Who has more children and who has a better civilization. Your whole premise that whoever is having the most children must be the vest people, is completely absurd.

>>95069 >Who has more children and who has a better civilization. There's a correlation, sure. >Your whole premise that whoever is having the most children must be the vest people, is completely absurd. I'm just saying that attractive people tend to have more sex, and attractiveness is highly correlated with positive attributes. In places and times where birth control is not available, that means they tend to have more children. Your solution to this "problem" is to prevent people you don't like from reproducing via artificial selection, and in the few times it was successfully implemented it resulted in good genes being removed from the gene pool while genes associated with sociopathy and retardation flourished.

>>95070 >the few times it was successfully implemented Can you give any examples? Even aoc and rape laws mean that selection is "artificial". And as much as you don't want to admit it, media indoctrination also influences choices, especially women's as they are more comforist by nature. My solution is using the tools that already exist in a different way.

>>95070 Lack of Y axis label deeply annoyed me Also I don't know who chose those colors but Asia, Oceania and Europe just blend together, Africa and South America too. >:S

>>95083 >even aoc and rape laws mean that selection is "artificial" my guy rape laws are quite after the fact, plus you don't exactly choose to get raped. >media indoctrination also influences choices Sure it does. I argue, however, that the qualities that are considered attractive are more stable over time than you are giving credit for. In fact you've been arguing out both sides of your mouth on this: you claim on one hand that all these "outdated" qualities from the paleolithic era are no longer relevant, yet you also claim that they are being pushed by modern media indoctrination. Surely, if they were so old, media indoctrination would not need to do anything to make them popular. >especially women's as they are more comforist by nature In fact I think it's just the opposite, men are much more motivated by the prospect of finding a physically appealing mate, both to themselves and to their peer group. Their basic idea of what is attractive is more easily swayed by pornography and other forms of media, since they tend to consume it more. They're also more likely to form fetishes based on media. Women, meanwhile, tend to have much more holistic evaluations of their potential partner, and they tend to absorb 'what is attractive' directly from their peer group. Of course when people start replacing their peer group with a huge amorphous crowd of internet commentators, things get wonky on both sides. >can you give any examples? look up "forced sterilization", there are tons of examples. >>95084 Sorry I did a bad screenshot. The Y axis is fertility rate, basically babies per fertile female.

>>95085 Actually I guess my point isn't even that they are stable over time, just that they are determined mostly by correlation with positive qualities, and which qualities are positive are mostly stable over time. Perhaps you have some kind of rose-tinted idea that before mass media was a thing, everyone was selecting a mate based on some criteria that you approve of (if I had to guess: based on criteria that would mean you in particular would have easy access to a low-maintenance mate).

>>95097 >Natural selection doesn't necessitate consent. morality does. Anyway that's pretty damn irrelevant to the question of sexual selection, which is what we were talking about. >Modern media pushes feminism, miscegenation, and anti-white sentiment. Yeah, women should be forced to have sex with my pasty white inferior ass because I check off the boxes I decided are important. We should never mix races even though mixed-race people are objectively superior. That would surely improve the gene pool. This joke has gone on far too long, it's not funny any more.

>>95122 >mixed-race people are objectively superior Yeah, it's so objectively true that you can't explain or elaborate on this. Be serious, dude. Mutts are sincerely worse off. Not only are they medically fuarrrked over and materially just bad off -- But even spiritually, they're rootless/deracinated, they're depressed and hopeless. Most of the time, if they do anything at all, they're just falling into the same trap as the spiteful mutant hypothesis. The only time "mixed" works out, at all, is if they're part of the same superset of a given root race. But that's an entirely different discussion. And no - So-called "incel" halfwits shouldn't be breeding either, but that's just obvious. You're setting up a strawman against >>95097 that isn't particularly fair and you're relying on previous interactions you have had with people.

>>95127 > bringing cultural argument into eugenics discussion Do you understand culture is not fundamental or constant?

>>95122 >women should be forced I already pointed out individual choice is an illusion. Coercion, as you imagine it in your simplistic, childish mind, isn't necessary. Yes, people, including women, should be indoctrinated in a certain way to create certain outcomes. They are already indoctrinated, but for outcomes that only benefit a tiny elite. >>95128 >you understand culture is not fundamental or constant Culture ultimately originates from genetics/race. It can be manipulated, but it doesn't come from thin air.

>>95128 Other than what >>95145 said about cultural genesis -- I'm also talking about the metaphysics of race. Obviously, there's a distinct difference in the material quality, as I mentioned, but there is an immaterial lacking just the same. What exists in a man that drives him to climb a mountain and reach peaks thought not possible? One's racial soul has an answer to that. Corruption of the soul would, obviously, not allow for it. Again, spite can get you far -- But doing something on your own volition here is the important part. An aside but I also notice a lack of elaboration on the "superior" bit. I'm going to just assume it was just the heat of the moment contrarian bullshit and I'll move on from it after this, if there's nothing given on it, I just was curious about it.

>>95064 >statistically unlikely. People that bully as children and young teenagers tend to do it because they don't have / don't know any other way to climb the social ladder. They tend to go nowhere in life unless they grow out of it, because they can't make friends. All my bullies when I was in school were incredibly popular and had tons of friends. Most bullies do what they do because humans on the top inherently get sadistic enjoyment out of making those on the bottom suffer. The myth that most bullies are just unpopular losers who only bully because they want to become popular is nothing but cope. >>95065 >People are such that many will send love letters to serial killers in prison i mean...it does require a lot of strength and intelligence..

>>94948 Wherever there are people, there are obstacles, competition, danger, ridicule, bureaucracy. People stopped representing companionship, fun or warmth for a long time, probably because of mobile tech and financial/ideological/societal chaos. You can't relate to complacent psyop subjects. Nevertheless, referring to people as "humans" is cringeworthy as fuarrrk, like anime "badass" cringeworthy, unless you're a bot.

I hope Mars settlement happens. That's a massive public eugenic experiment. Even just standard astronaut criteria would be crazy to see. Imagine a world with 136 IQ average, which is just top 1/120. If martians made more settlements and reached a population of a few million, wouldn't we see outliers in the range of 180-210 IQ? Imagine the cultural output from hundreds of thousands of geniuses.

>>95188 Mars is an empty desert. Only retards would go there.

>>95189 Because people only have negative attributes, so anywhere that is far away from people is better. And hey, if that includes letting some south African guy decide on the genetic makeup of the people going there, that's obviously a bonus Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!