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You know, this whole Bitcoin thing going on - which I heard of in 2010 before the pizza thing but was too... spooked to mine -- makes me thinking. Had I 10000 bitcoins, would I accidentally cause more harm thsn good with it given I was a young depressed/scarred (bad family) yob back in 2010? If I had 10000 bitcoins now, sure, I would probably try a project or two involving ... well, funding THE supervolcano research. It would suck to lose it all due to a massive AHAHAHA MOTHER NATURE SAYS GOODBYE brewing in Yellowstone, Oregon. But I don't. Because I feared getting framed for "parttaking". Guess I accidentally TEOTWAWKI. Oh, maybe Yellowstone will be "and make it double" if paired with the Sun going Carrington. At this rate, I am just glad I live near a forest.

>>94633 Don't worry about having 'missed out', who could have guessed magic internet numbers would be worth so much money? We live in an absurd world.

>>94643 Nah, the real worry here is - "quantum immortality" stuff. I have a worry there is no version of me in the multiverse, that did grab some bitcoins by early mining, and reached this or that kind of happy existing eternally. Pic not too related.

>>94677 I do have an absurd amount of bitcoins that I've mined in the early days. It's more of a liability than an asset to be honest. I can't cash out large sums without KYC, and I can't really tell anyone I am sitting on cryptocurrency without risking getting totured/robbed. Not even my family knows. It's the worst secret to keep.

>>94693 Why are you concerned about KYC? A pile of paper money isn't that useful.

>>94693 VOLITION (HOPE): I have a piece of advice (grain of salt, k): Dubai has a scene of funny rich guys doing business. Besides, they seem to have lots of companies in Dubai that "do things for you" with the beauty formerly attributed of Swissy banks; when they don't disclose who lives in a suite of a skyscraper they own. So... what if??????? SAVIOUR FAIRE: If I remember correctly Dubai is *the* city of people making connections in person. You will have to make your own research what kind of sheikh will work with you without putting a catch. Sheiks love relaxing their business partners to lull the partners into unfair terms. HALF-LIGHT: The things are going to get tighter. The very idea to weed out many unused "irty" wallets from 2010s is just too juicy... so they may "update" things. You have to steer your heritage away from a fate of a sunken galeon, one way or another.

>>94693 What are you on about? Who's going to torture you for having money...? KYC isn't that bad to make it worth not withdrawing at all, and you can just do p2p.

>>94709 Stealing boatloads of money from someone's bank account is basically impossible. The best you can do is rob a bank. Stealing crypto from someone is just getting a password out of them.

>>94709 >>94694 Lottery winner's curse, ever heard of one?

>>94709 Remember that rapper that got arrested for taking money out of their own bank account? Lots of rich people are only given money for show and aren't actually allowed to use it. Someone who isn't controlled somehow getting their hands on real money would get into trouble immediately, from the government & controllers or criminal gangs.

Come to think of it, noname crypt untainted by KY* could be useful to help out some corpo IT guys who got their computers SNAFUd and their data being threatened to be FUBARified with ransomware. Not "charity" charity, but a tool to help a n00b out of a lewt hagg. >>94716 I do not but I looked it up. >Sam Benson I think the correct term is "detained" but who I am to tell that. I think there was a rap sont featuring AMEX cards somewhot tied to that... accident. cash is king, but not too much

>>94716 The police only stole 50% of the money he took from the bank for some reason. It's weird, I thought they always take everything.

>>94693 >>94716 OP's here. I pretty much suffer of similar predispositions about the world due to being picked on throughout childhood (the biggest in my classroom.. sigh), so I know that feel... ...Luckily, the "depression" depression has beed away since I fixed my sleep (blackout curtains, earplugs + weekly peroxide wash for them, a door stopper) - turns out, ruined sleep is not a only a symptom for depression, but also a trigger to it often; hence vicious cycle. Lainon, stay strong. Besides, lottery winners are adviced to hire lawyers to do this thing or that. If you think that's a hassle and your wallet is "dirty" or something plz make a thread on /lain/ because the way I was mentally blocked to bookmark Bitcointalk, to download the miner's file and such, it all looked awfuly similar to Lain's superpowers. I was at the page yet some mental block was stopping me in my tracks

And we have a blockchain thread in /hum/, finally. let's discuss practical stuff like "using blockchain to store digital fingerprints" here

>I do have an absurd amount of bitcoins that I've mined in the early days. It's more of a liability than an asset to be honest can we switch places please? At least Ill try and hold for a little longer; at best ill be of great help

>>94677 >I have a worry there is no version of me in the multiverse, that did grab some bitcoins by early mining, and reached this or that kind of happy existing eternally. If you're going to invent problems... what are we even talking about?

>>94763 >The idea: there is a thought experiment known as quantum immortality Why: it implies any modern person has a chance to live infinitely long. you would EXPECT being a billionaire would help in such a quest for turning oneself into an eternal ghost in z-shell. But that didn't work for me. Truth is, it was some ridiculous mental block preventing me from moving my mouse towards clicking the right button.

Mark Tilbury released a video on the matter a month ago. Hire *an attorney* who specialises on cases of receiving wealth Get "stealth rich" attitude. Something something set up a trust fund - saves your money in terms of taxing >>94643 Funny thing is, I did.

>>94633 >Had I 10000 bitcoins, would I accidentally cause more harm thsn good with it given I was a young depressed/scarred (bad family) yob back in 2010? I think I have my answer now. I would. Back in 2015, I was a prson awfully scarred by a plethora of sad facts. None of them would be a big deal individually, but my story has quite a constellation of those "notabigdeals". At this point I realize now - I would do more harm than good had I mined/bought some back in 2010 "for a rainy day".

>>94693 If you're in america and genuinely have a large ammount of mined bitcoin, you can literally just pay an accountant to revise your tax returns and cash out. If you cash out now you have more than a year to get the whole thing done. You could contact the accountant without letting anyone know and just open a new bank account to send the funds to. This really isn't hard and millions are a great motivator which tells me you're probably larping.

>>96876 I sure do hope nothing bad happens to any lainon with decent amount of crypto.

the dirty little secret about western individualism is that even after you become fabulously wealthy and can indulge in all your wildest fantasies and never have to worry about finances again, your life is still meaningless and you still hate yourself and want to die every single day

>>98362 I wonder what's worse: chasing an ideal forced onto you by others and never achieving it, or achieving it and realising it's meaningless.

>>98362 This isn't really a secret, pretty much everyone knows this

>>98362 my wildest fantasy is to be married, own a house, and cook good food, lmao.

>>94693 Convert to monero >>98362 Not really. I'm poor but I've figured out what makes me happy with life and not having to worry about money would only make me better in every respect. Even 2k per month without working would be enough.

>>98371 There are two great tragedies in life. Not getting everything you wanted, and getting it.

>>94633 OP's here. I've *been to bitcointalk forum* back in 2010 - yet got spooked by assuming Bitcoin is some kind of MLM (wasn's wrong) because there was a thread, "I've spent 300 dollard on minind, what do I do?" and some immidiate answer, "keep mining!" Anyway, bump. I have a hunch someone on Lainchan needs my advice on restoring old computers' data. 1. Back in the early 2010s, there were "admin USBs" larger than basic 4,7 GB disks 2. There also were "AdminDVD" disks, too. 3. Acronis TrueImage program was great to make a copy of 2010s Windows in such a manner you would be able to mount old Windows to *another* computer with *another* hardware, Acronis TrueImage would save you trouble moving data from one computer to another. 4. HOWEVER, you would need to reinstall drivers and such, your installation would work in "plug and play" mode. Therefore, if someone on Lainchan has an old computer with damaged Windows (and some juicy password stored somewhere within it), there is a HIGH CHANCE your computer's data can be saved with a funny trial version of Acronis and a spare laptop/computer from 2010s era. Hope this helps. P.S. Please note you *may* find yourself still in need to tampter with one or two registry keys if you're trying to save a WindowsXP on Atom or some 2000s computer, as opposed to 2010s computer. I did once.

the vast majority of human beings are not mentally equipped to deal with excess wealth in a healthy or rational way. just look at how terrible america is as a culture where 70% of the population make more than $50k a year. they're so screwed up in the head that they're probably reading this right now thinking "so what, $50k a year isn't that much money!" and have no clue that earning that much money puts them in the top 2% wealthiest people in the world. it's a lot like alcoholics and booze, how they never realize just how drunk they really are, they're sloppy and slurring their words and loudly talking over everybody and generally behaving like obnoxious self-centered assholes, but nobody can tell them that they are drunk and that they need to slow down, they will just vehemently deny it and get belligerent and even more obnoxious. you shouldn't be sad that you didn't get megarich from buying bitcoin, you should be thankful. think about how much of a stupid miserable asshole you are right now with what little money you have and imagine how much worse you would be if you were a millionaire, imagine yourself turning into bam margera wearing scarves and gaudy rings and black eyeliner and posting videos of yourself on social media where you are sitting in your purple ferrari crying and puking on yourself and screaming about how nobody appreciates your genius.

>>100251 >they're so screwed up in the head that they're probably reading this right now thinking "so what, $50k a year isn't that much money!" and have no clue that earning that much money puts them in the top 2% wealthiest people in the world. $50k goes a different length in different parts of the world, even different parts of the US. In my city, which is far from the most expensive in the US, you would be very lucky to find a one-bedroom apartment for $500/month, and even so it would almost certainly be a mold-ridden, rat-infested dump at that price. If you look at listings in Mumbai, you can get a nice-looking, fully furnished 3-bedroom apartment with AC for the equivalent price. In my city, you can buy a pound of low-quality ground beef for about $5, if you get it on sale and are ok with it smelling funny. In Lagos that could get you over a kilogram of high-quality steak, easily. This is just everyday things, but also the US healthcare system is extremely expensive and not very good quality, especially when you compare it to places like Cuba which manage to do more with less. People in the US are also more likely to be in debt than most other countries, which means that even a high income can result in not having enough money. Poor people in the US are objectively better off than poor people in some other countries, this is true, but let's not tell people who are wondering how they're going to feed their kids next month that they're actually doing great and they should be thankful that they live in Elon Musk's Play Palace.

Bump. Reminder you still can try and resurrect your old computer's system with Acronis True Image or something like that. Maybe somelain has some program's settings stuck within it. On an unrelated note, IMO, tuning up Acronis is easier than tuning up LoRAs for AI generators.

>>100251 its a small percentage of people that try a drug or alcohol and become drug addicts or alcoholics, its probably increasing, ive never seen a number above 2% globally. I see numbers ranging from 30 to 50% regarding globally who has tried a drug or alcohol. So if what you are just sort of anecdotaply suggesting is true, it is not the case it is like drugs or alcohol. I actually agree it is but disagree on you first point, you arent ever going to hear about the people who came into money from not having it and lived normally or happily. If you are in America, and actually this point globally on social media, there is vested interests in propping up stories of poor people who came into money and blew it all. It reaffirms the idea that poor people dont have money through their own doing, it allows you to imagine that every poor person you see probably had opportunities and just blew them, more importantly it means that the wealthy and oligarch class have their money because they deserve it, the amount they have is what they can maintain and save. This is a fact, its something shady tech king takeover organizations like dialogue were leaked to have had as a discussion topic (something like "why you deserve your money"). People like peter thiel and sam altman and curtis yarvin who control the media landscape and news cycle have also openly made statements to this effect. There is often a number floating around that 70 to 99% of lottery winners "lose it all", there is nothing to say 99% do, the 70% number is a sort of unbacked by any peer reviewed study claim by some think tank back in 2001, during a financial crisis that left many bankrupt regardless if they had a windfall or lottery win. No study since supports this number, the absolute highest estimate from actual studies is something like 40% and I believe thats a study based exclusively in America. Most studies report a number floating around 20%. Mind you a sizeable chunk of recepients of lottery winnings or sudden windfalls give this money away, especially parents (to their children), and these people are included in stats of those who "lose it all". If you want to say this is "not being able to handle it" thats your perogative, arguably id say sharing your winnings with all your loved ones is what a normal sane person who doesnt have a specific plan for the money would do. A side note, one study I found of 576 lottery winners here in America found that over 50% continued working and doing exactly what they were doing before. Only something like 10-15% actually quit their job, another 10ish% were retirement age and retired or did not have a job in the first place or a decent amount changed jobs or simply reduced the hours they worked. Strangest of all 15% increased the hours they worked. A final thing, some of these high estimates factor in fortunes lost by the second or third generation not by the recipient. Specifically that 70% number includes that, that 70% number is the equivalent of stats that report Stalin killed more than hitler by counting deaths from famine, wars (using combatants on both sides), and also just the regular yearly dearh toll for his reign. Except its even more shoddy because it also involves unverified numbers pulled out of think tanks full of rich peoples ass. If you dont care about numbers or statistics and just want to go off bam margera and other soykaf you see online and your vaguely cynical view of others, all I can do is tell you no. If you want anecdotes; I had a windfall, as did some of my friends, we had some random undeveloped desert land we all pooled in together to get for like 3000$ to have a place to shoot guns and camp, the area it was in ended up being eyed for development and the land ended up selling for close to a million split 3 ways. We were lucky to have 1000$ in savings prior to this, and often had nothing in savings if not an overdrawn account. That was almost 10 years ago and only one of us spent most of it, and I honestly disagree with your premise that spending it somehow means you cant handle it. Shes perfectly happy, she had a good time with it and a large chunk went to helping her boyfriend through a medical emergency. She chose to quit her job, but during that time of not working and before it ran out she was able to secure herself a better job as she didnt have to rush to settle. She actually has savings of her own making now whereas she couldnt save soykaf before. As for me and my friend, we were both borderline suicidal with intense drug problems before receiving this money. One thing your sort of right on is that beyond lifting us out of this suicidality and extreme addiction which cant be understated, it did not make us happy it made us a different kind of unhappy. Earlier I pointed out that "15% of winners started working more hours after" for a reason in that I do not find what you are saying to be the majority of cases, IE someone spends it all and goes off the rails crazy and becomes totally damaged and unable to work for themselves just chasing another wondfall. Instead what I have seen for me and my friend and notice in similar stories to ours, is that the person becomes a bit neurotic. While what you are saying does happen, I dont know why you think its a majority because if you just think about it heres a little thought scenario; Imagine a random gen zer who is depressed and accepted they will never be able to afford a house and will always be living paycheck to paycheck with no savings and unable to pay a medical bill or for treatment in the event something happens. They may have even had to watch a beloved pet or friend or family member suffer or die even as a result of an inability to pay for treatment or insurance. Now you suddenly give them one million dollars, you seem to think this hypothetical person is most likely to A) go crazy and spend it all. I dont think you have to even assume the person is very smart or rational to see how its far more likely instead that they actually have something to lose now and everyone near them is counting on them to put it to good use and make more so they can lift their loved ones and family up. I think this produces someone who instead doesnt touch money outside of hiring a financial advisor and investor and finding some way to keep the money growing and alive. They dont have to be able to handle the money, someone will for them and even the dumbest people are aware of financial advisors. The unhappiness it creates is the same one the billionaires have, that you seem to believe are uniquely equipped to have wealth. Id say no, give anyone like the above strawman I created the money and they too will start hoarding and trying to acquire more wealth, because as you have more money the more things you will feel a need to insulate you and your loved ones from. when people live paycheck to paycheck they buy uber eats and doordash and make stupid financial decisions because whats the point in saving when it will never be enough, might as well at least make your not work time more enjoyable or easier. Its only once they have enough money to entertain dreams of property ownership and businesses and passive income and nightmares about losing it do they start to see these things as a huge waste of money even though they are now in a position to actually afford them. This is the case for me and my friend. But in general who cares about bam margera or me, data shows you are right to make your addict comparison and just wrong as to what that means. The type of person I said above is probably less common than the one who spends everything, because its the mindset of many of the ultra wealthy who themselves are a minority even among the wealthy. However both are less common than the person who keeps working their same job and makes one big expenditure of a home or a car or gift to a loved one or to relieve debts, and then continues to sit pretty with the rest spending largely as normal. Im not totally trying to attack you, what your saying is a very common position its just not one that has much backing or at least it has less backing than "most people who come into money hold onto it". Strangely a lot of what im seeing says those who receive an inheritance are more likely to spend it all then those who win the lottery (these two types of windfalls are whats most studied), even still that inheritant number is regularly reported to be closer to 30% whereas the lottery winner bankruptcy is closer to 20%. This study il post images of says far far less than both of those numbers and its not the only one. I dont intend to convince you that people on average arent retarded nor even that they arent bad with money (many people get an advisor or have the money delivered to them in annual installments for life as a safeguard, so they literally can not spend it all). I dont particularly even care about this other then that kind of asspull idea you are saying is used as a justification for why things like UBI or taxing the ultra rich to give back to everyone else "could never work...". if you have other reasons to hate UBI or taxes fine, but no things like lottery winnings are not evidence that itd do poor people no good to have more money and only make them unhappy. It actually is evidence for the opposite, and thats all I hope you get from this. and to maybe second guess more things you see as common sense or like "obviously we all know this just look at this handful of famous cases and my friend steve".

>>100992 People not turning insane after acquiring wealth shouldn't be that shocking. That said, I do agree with him that money might transform you into a soykaftier version of yourself. In particular: > "think about how much of a stupid miserable asshole you are right now with what little money you have and imagine how much worse you would be if you were a millionaire"

>>100995 Yeah I agree I think I had a section in my post about it but had to delete and just leave as an implication cause body too long. To keep your wealth you often have to invest it in things you dont totally support or understand, capital itself is a bit nebulous and does not "feel" real and increasingly so. It creates a lot of anxiety, it makes you as a person somewhat beholden to your advisors in the same way a company would be to its shareholders. Your advisory institution makes money off your money making you essentially their asset, even if you are young they will hound you to create a will and designate who has power of attourney in the event you are unresponsive because your account and portfolio are immortal, you just happen to be the current agent of it. There is always an unease that it might all go poof, that your investments might go poof, meaning there is always a need to acquire more and diversify. Diversifying created a need to acquire more because even if a million is enough for you if its split 9 ways already and you branch out into property (lets imagine its all equally invested which never is the case) now you really only have 100000 in your account and also if say everything collapses but housing prices or everything collapses but gold prices you will only have 100000 and 100000 is not the million thats enough to guarantee you and your loved ones wellbeing for the rest of your life, so suddenly you want at least a million IN EACH asset. Then you diversify more and repeat. Even if you never make it that far with your money you still are always pining for the next level of security. This is why money can make people worse, why those capable of giving the most give so little, it isnt just about number goes up and being addicted to that its that say someone like jeff bezos does genuinely feel he NEEDS that money. At this point its probably moved beyond something sympathetic like security but im sure it started there and its still the undercurrent in his ventures for control, because control = security. Thats the gist of it, capital makes you a control freak unless you make a deliberate effort not to which is hard because you will be rewarded for it even by those closest to you. Your loved ones will scold you if you arent trying to build it and secure a future because they too get the bug by proxy and everyones counting on you, they will also praise you and be indebted when you use it to save them and stay closer to you than ever before. This dynamic increasingly makes you see people not in your circle as threats, if you did things like give money to the homeless when you were poor you increasingly will stop, it makes you see yourself as the carrier of this great burden for your in group. Only you can be trusted with it, you deserve this money because you save it and invest it and use it to make sure everyone you love is secure and taken care of. You through best intentions become a control freak of even your loved ones lives; aunt letty is having a really tough time she has cancer and lost her job because she cant work while on chemo. You could give her just 5% of your wealth and massively ease her stress and save her, but the cancers still early and shes looking for jobs and getting interviews, best not to take away her struggle, plus if you give that 5% to her she might just stop trying to get a job and blow it all and then keep asking for more! Its a very valid thought process but its also deranged because you essentially play god with those near you and everyone knows it. They know you could give them the money they need at any time, you know you could, they know you know you could and that your reasons you say you cant arent true. Increasingly it will feel like you either have to hide that you even have wealth and lie or start to cut out people who arent also wealthy, you can sense the resentment and jealousy of people you once loved who are poor, what if they try to kill or steal from you or even just smooth talk and trick you. The idea doesnt even upset you, you totally understand it, they have loved ones they want to protect and uplift too. You would totally steal or kill or manipulate someone if your money started running out and you couldnt anymore, you kind of do already with your investments likely. But unlike your friends you deserve it, only you can handle it after all.

>>94633 What is thy question?