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Where can I purchase an exit bag? I can't find them at any vendors online and I want to die a quick and painless death.

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I think most people make their own. It's hard to screw it up if you get gas without any oxygen in it.

Maybe its not much use but i will say it either way, i think we dont need more dead lainons. Have you tried talking to some people that could maybe help you. This might be touchy, i dont know what you have been trough but i know what its like being suicidal myself, you should try every other option first. I hope you reconsider and maybe some luck comes your way. Dont know what else to say really.

>>8775 Yeah, just waste your life, cause people who commit suicide aren't worth the existence on this beautiful planet, so whatever. Comes down to the same. ^^

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>>8775 Read Hermann Hesse's Steppenwolf first. It helped me, although it took a while to sink in.

a) life is beautiful. I recommend one last try to enjoy it before you kill yourself. b) just take a bunch of sleeping pills and drink a handle of vodka. Or OD on opiates. You don't need to buy an exit bag.

>>8788 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's more appropriate to say that life has the potential to be beautiful. I don't think either statement is encouraging to the suicidal. What worked for me was realizing that suicide is just one of many ways to screw up and has no special significance as an action or power as a solution. It's not that living isn't stupid so much as it is that suicide is stupid...or this is what I've cobbled together in order to think about things besides suicide, anyway. Whatever works...maybe

>>8782 I do the exact same things every day, have no friends and have lost interest in my hobbies and can't motivate myself to do anything.

Alright, you have the attention from me you so desperately seek. Now vent your problems so I that I may hear how insignificant they are, and call you a glitterboy.

cant really tell you but im sure you can use the google. the bigger question is why an hero? I respect your right as a free thinking human to do so, but i am curious as to why you want to. dont have others try to coerce you to live, but dont kys over something stupid either. you can understand that your life is in your own hands because you always retain the ability to kys and you may or may not find meaning. my two cents. p.s. dont listen to edge lords trying to make you do it, and dont listen to the jesus freaks telling you god hates those who an hero

>>8790 Most people don't do much of anything, please don't feel bad for your lack of motivation; this is normal. This is not rational, but I think even good-for-nothing lainanons are precious. Just think of all the people who have sunken cost/time into/with you. Even though they may not have time for your because life is so brutally busy, I'm sure they'll be sad if you were to die. If you could find just one of these persons when they are not busy and receptive, you'll be able to appreciate the deep bond you actually share with many people. Sorry for rambling. I'm not sure how you can improve your daily life and actually connect with people, but you have my sympathies, and I wish I could make you realize that you are actually already connect with a lot of people. (Unfortunately in a passive way that may not make worth life living, but what do I know about your life?) Attached pic always makes me smile. Cheer up!

>>8791 > call you a glitterboy. Can you call two glitterboys? One for me?

>>8793 Maybe consider stopping? I mean that as politely as possible, but as someone who has recently made steps in overcoming my suicidal tendencies and yet still remains sympathetic to the suicidal, the things you're saying are (in my experience) not helpful and not even necessarily true. Some people really are alone and just have issues with being happy anyway, so arguing from circumstance seems pretty silly. I think the suicidal are really looking for a philosophical reason to continue living, and I would expect that to be reinforced here on Lainchan. I should mention that I really only have special insight into those who engage in suicidal ideation. I've never attempted, so the psychology of the more genuinely suicidal may be foreign to me. The relationship is not clear.

It doesn't feel right helping you, but I think logically it'd be wrong for me to hold you back. Sometimes suicide is the answer, or atleast a mitigating response >>8788 >just take a bunch of sleeping pills and drink a handle of vodka From what I've heard, death by pills is painful (you can often still feel pain in sleep)

>>8800 That's why you drink the vodka. You don't feel pain with alcohol poisoning

>>8800 by acetaminophen overdose, yes, but it's not sleeping pills, and it's not what anyone wants to do. It takes days. Benzodiazepines with other CNS depressants just inhibit your respiratory center and you stop breathing, there shouldn't be anything painful about it (other than wanting to kill yourself, and hell, I guess). If you purposefully overdose on sleeping pills and/or opioids, as well as many other things, you can be helped pretty reliably, provided that you are still alive. With acetaminophen it's a simple deal for quite some time after poisoning, a lot of acetylcysteine. More than you can find at home as OTC mucolytics, so you're going to need to call 911. And you'd better do it as soon as possible - you don't want to wait until your liver is severely damaged and you get to the hospital because you're suffering too much, or your mother/girlfriend/creditor finds you, or whatever. You might end up getting a liver transplant, and there are other people that need new livers, so it's not nice. Long story short, if you've just poisoned yourself in some way and you have second thoughts, call 911. No one's gonna be mad. Unless you live in the US, they might bill you for that or something? Still, maybe you can get it financed, like, an installment plan. It's not the end of the world. >>8802 Have you ever poisoned yourself with alcohol? How is that painless? The exit bag thing, I think it seems very undignified. Meddling with nefesh, with pneuma, it's fundamentally creepy and taboo. Sort of like chemical weapons. Giving your life away without murdering yourself is the best way to exit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeaeqIpopvI Anyone got stats on survivability of sky-diving without a parachute? My waifu neurosuggested she wanted to leap out of a perfectly good airplane, but I told her she'd likely just plant herself and become a vegetable.

>>8809 A lot of loyalty for a hired gun

>>8809 reminded me of >guy gets the idea to an hero >goes to golden gate bridge >people an hero there all the time >jumps >does not die >is a cripple in the water >this if going to hurt >miraculously a group of sea creatures keep him afloat until help arrives >is permanent cripple >seriously reevaluated life choices after being stopped from dying by a bunch of animals

>>8799 I hope I'm not impolite in asking this (I don't find your reply impolite or offensive, but I'm not sure exactly what I should stop doing, so maybe this post will seem rude), but what would even be a good philosophical reason for continuing life? On an emotional level, I find death unbearably sad [someone who used to be close to me died this May, but I was too busy with work and life in general], but I can't help but think that it's some traumatic version of a sunken-cost fallacy that makes me feel this way. I mean, I wasn't using their friendship for anything, it was more like a dusty trophy in a cabinet, that you pull out once in a blue moon to think about the past with. If no one told me about it, I wouldn't even notice that it was gone, so its hard to say that their life was useful to me (or anyone?), hence I'm not sure if there is any good philosophical reason to be sad. Still, I hope that OP can live or die for their own sake. In retrospective, I can see how this post may look like emotional blackmailing; this wasn't really my intention, so sorry about that.

>>8817 I suppose that a "good" philosophical reason for living is the one that convinces the individual to live. (I don't mean this in a larger sense, only in a pragmatic way. Whether there is an ultimately good reason is beyond me currently.) I'm saying that ideas like "people love you after all" are widespread, and the would-be suicide has likely encountered them. When I was searching, I wanted to find some rational, fundamental principle that would either mandate life or illegitimize suicide. It seems to me that the common responses to suicidal thought treat suicide more as a kind of "forbidden technique" than as an utter non-solution. The "problem," though, is that I'm not sure that the ethical frameworks currently favored in the public sphere (which, I would remind everyone, shouldn't be nearly so trustworthy as, say, public scientific theories) are capable of producing any other result.

>>8817 >>8820 there is no rational reason not to commit suicide. Just as there's no rational reason to commit suicide. All human actions are ultimately based on feelings. The desire to commit suicide can never be rational. Only when one has analyzed the feeling, and deemed it good, should one commit suicide.

>>8821 You know these to be facts? You seem quite confident in your claims.

>>8822 Isn't what he stated essentially Hume's law? Basically, it states that you can't assign moral value to actions based on facts alone. As an example: • Fact statement: People die when you remove their head from their body • Value statement: It is bad to remove people's heads. According to Hume's law, you can never derive the second statement from the first, or any fact statements. You need a value statement such as • Value statement II: It is bad to kill people. You are of course right that Hume's Law is not something that's proven, but I haven't seen any convincing counter-examples that doesn't involve abolishing the concept of values altogether, typically by claiming that free will doesn't exist, which renders values and morality pointless. [To clarify this last point, I don't necessarily believe that free will exists, but it's often a useful model, and is certainly more feasible than to try to simulate the actions of people based on physical laws.] Still, to get back on topic somewhat, it might still be beneficial to convince people that there exists a rational reason to not commit suicide, even if the argument isn't solid. People aren't really rational anyway. What does everyone on Lainchan do to "trick" themselves into staying alive?

>>8823 Well, I'm just not yet convinced that fundamental ethical axioms don't exist in a natural sense. If they do, then reason can extend them, quite possibly to suicide and beyond. Of course, I don't know what sort of axioms they would be, but the important thing is their possibility. It's a bit like how the common refrain "life is meaningless" really means "I have not yet discovered life's meaning." Thank you for the reference to Hume. I have not yet taken it upon myself to read his works straight, but I find his ideas consistently enlightening. For me, I was shaken out of my ideation by the suggestion that suicide as a concept (and reality) should be handled not with gravity but levity. If suicide is not merely seen as wrong but ridiculous in a comedic sense, then it loses its power in the mind. If the response to someone's throwing away his life is not "this is a great and terrible sin" but instead (crudely) "lol, you baka," then the motivation dissipates (for me). I also discovered that I can alter my emotions through the intentional application of thought, a realization which somehow took me 20 years to reach, which makes me think that emotion isn't a reliable thing to leave in control of oneself. I think I always knew that, really, but for some reason I forgot it when I was researching the best way to strangle myself with my shoelaces...

I see this sentiment so often and I never understand it - why does it matter whether your death is painful or painless? All experience exists in memory - we avoid pain so that we would not remember it, so the pain of your last conscious moments is next to irrelevant. So it just doesn't register for me - where is this sentiment coming from? Is it some homebrew afterlife ideal that your last sensory inputs will continue on forever? If not that, then what?

>>8836 If I had to throw my 2 cents, then I guess I'd rather die in a happy state just because, why not? If I'm just laughing with some pals or playing a good video game or even just jacking off as I'm about to die that'd be better than dying from extreme pain or dying with a shattered heart.

>>8837 That's what I meant - why are the minutes or hours of fun before your death more important than minutes or hours of fun at any other point in your life? It would make sense that they would be LESS important.

>>8838 If you're talking about me personally, I really don't care, I just want to have fun no matter what. I can't speak for anyone else.

>>8836 If it doesn't matter what you go through before you die because death erases you, then shouldn't the same thing ultimately apply to all experience in life? Since you are going to die one day, and everything that you are and recall will be gone, then why would you care about avoiding pain at all? Think about if you were slated to be executed, either painlessly or by being burned at the stake, would you be ambivalent over which of the two were chosen? If someone were to dose you with a drug that interfered with long term memory formation, would you in that moment be okay with being tortured? I don't know about you but I would not. As I understand it pain is something that is inherently unpleasant, and no matter if one is going to die in a few moments or in a lifetime, recall it or not, it makes sense to avoid it regardless.

>>8814 Even better >guy wants an amazing suicide >walks to seaside cliff >drinks poison >ties noose around neck and around tree >lights himself on fire >jumps off, gun in hand >tries to shoot himself in the head >misses >hits rope, rope breaks >he falls into water >water extinguishes flame >water breaks fall >coldness of water make him vomit poison >a boat rescues him and he dies of hypothermia in the ER

>>8836 life is in the present hombré, and the present is worth a lot more if you're about to die - supply and demand

I'm half convinced that these guaranteed painless suicide methods are one big trolling attempt to ruin people even further without killing them. I mean, do you know anyone who tried it? Obviously they weren't around to give it a 5/5 review.

>>8888 Well, I suppose it comes down to 2 facts, the first being that people have experienced inert gas asphyxiation without dying and the second being that, as I understand it, there is no known physiological mechanism by which pain would be caused. You're right though that it is only a theoretically painless death. Pic related

>>8823 for myself, no matter how depressed I am my reasoning is, "I don't want to die, I want to live". Meaning, the reason I'm so miserable is not because I'm living, it's because I'm not living. I'm not having good experiences. The solution is then not to kill oneself, but to start making life worth living. I don't have clinical depression though, so this probably wouldn't work for someone like that.

>>8888 hypothermia is apparently very pleasant in late stages. CO2 inhalation is just a slow fade out of consciousness. The reason it's so dangerous is that people don't realize they're dying. So it's probably painless too.

>>8888 Some of them are pretty obviously truly painless, unless you believe people have souls which can feel pain or something like that. Take strapping some blocks of C4 to your head and setting them off. The shockwave would liquefy and blow your brain apart faster than you could even get a neuron to electrically spike once. If that ain't painless, I don't know what is. Others like the exit bag could possibly have some painful element, like the dying brain creating pain signals or something, but it's not like you can avoid that with any death, and it's more likely than not it's painless since pain basically requires consciousness and your brain will stop producing that after it's used up most of your oxygen. Consciousness is metabolically costly yo! >>8892 The problem with hypothermia as I've heard it is that it doesn't really kill you like you'd want. There's the old EMT saying up north "You aren't dead till you're warm and dead". Humans enter a kind of pseudo hibernation when they get hypothermic. Your heart might beat as slow as once a minute while you slowly freeze, but even after you freeze, people can sometimes be thawed out, only to have some of their processes start back up, cept all your cells are fuarrrked from ice crystals. Can't say I'd choose that way to go. >CO2 Just FYI you don't want to breathe CO2 mate, you have sensors in your lungs which makes that uncomfortable as fuarrrk (not to mention it creates an acid when it dissolves in water). You want an inert gas like Nitrogen or Helium.

When anyone talks about painless death I always think about The Prestige. Cutter: Take a minute to consider your achievement. I once told you about a sailor who described drowning to me. Angier: Yes, he said it was like going home. Cutter: I was lying. He said it was agony. Also, I always thought it was funny that the basic premise of suicide(especially in t the west) is that there is no more suffering and it all ends. Since it is obvious that no theory is 100% concrete, they could be killing themselves only to end up in a far worse existence. Better to see it through to the end and see how this story ends. Never know if the next one will be better or worse.

>>8892 You're thinking of CO, carbon monoxide

>>8894 Yeah, just go down to the mall on saturday and buy some C4 amirite :) Seriously though I've heard horror stories of the helium bag causing one of your lungs to burst if it's done wrong. >>8892 Late stages maybe. I've been in early stages of hypothermia and it is not fun. Well, I might have slept right through it which would have been a fine way to go (not that I was planning to die) but suddenly woke up and had to act. That was when I realized, my motor functions were slowed and my brains had the dumb. Took me ten minutes to do something that should have taken one, in a situation where lingering meant risking arrest. (Long story). Imagine being drunk and stupid without the accompanying high.

>>8917 >I've been in early stages of hypothermia and it is not fun. >in a situation where lingering meant risking arrest. c'mon lain, tell the story

>>8919 If you say so... I was riding freight between BC and Alberta, through the rockies. It was well above freezing but the train kept stopping for long periods and it rained a lot. I had proper gear but the trip took twice as long as usual so my nice rain gear just became a trap for sweat anyway. I woke up and saw street signs above me. I had passed out for hours and then rolled right through half of Calgary including the downtown. My gear was unpacked. I would never fall asleep with my gear unpacked besides the sleeping bag, in case I had to jump quickly. That was the first clue something was off. The train was stopped but not for long. I started tossing everything over the side as it pulled, then bailed. Then it hit me, the drunk without euphoria feeling. I really struggled to pack my stuff, knowing that I'd be going to jail if anyone saw me. I mean I was just beyond downtown, wide out in the open. I was holding my hands up like a director of photography, framing my things so I could zero in and pick them up one by one. It was that hard to move around and do anything. Some cafes were opening for the AM but I remembered, never give caffeine to a hypothermia patient. So I walked around until I felt alright, maybe an hour. I probably ate something, that'd be important. Hit a cafe, waited until a respectable hour and called my friends. Further evidence that I wasn't well is that I should have called them at the first payphone I found and told them I was sick. They would have gotten out of bed. In my head I was like "nah that'd be rude" but really, it was a first aid situation and they wouldn't have minded at all. That's the way it was in my head though.

>>8789 >Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Not only is that gay, it's also wrong, if you can believe it. Also probably doesn't help anymore to see it in such a wrong and dumb way.