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Hello, I'm a failed teacher and I am here to vent. I am tired of pedagogues bitching about teachers, usually their reasoning is some derivative of "if students aren't excited to learn, it is your fault", to which I strongly disagree based on my few years of activity. No there is no social issue getting in the way of learning, no there is no oppression going on, schools will always be trash wherever people are coerced into them, but I have yet to see one pedagogue admit to that, instead they accuse meritocracy and how exams just leads to mechanical learning. Well the problem isn't exams, neither are the schools, the problem is that people have this beautiful thing called free will and if they have decided that they don't want to listen to you and are somehow coerced into it, they will do the bare minimum necessary to never look at your face in a square room ever again. Sure it is a human right, sure Aristotle praises contemplation and how it is part of the pursuit of happiness, but realizing that takes a lifetime for the majority (or so I believe). It is not the lack of useful skills being taught, it is not the overly abstracted lessons or theories (their use lies in innovative businesses alone, and those takes a lot of effort to conceive by anyone), it is not the lack of inspiring lessons either. All of the new educational resources, be it experiments, forums, videos or what have you - only the willing to learn will benefit from them for a faster, more effective learning, but if there is no willingness, it is all a huge waste of time and money. Lately, I have noticed the SDGs being praised and projects that complies with such goals are being brought into educational expositions, we are being told to have students working on such goals, it almost feels like I am being paid to promote an ideology that nobody really cares about, an antidemocratic measure (not that I care about democracy in the first place, but it sure feels non organic). I am disillusioned, because I have realized that my work brings no real value to society, and the state reduced me to a mere propagandist of values I don't believe in.

>>86934 >the problem is that people have this beautiful thing called free will There's little evidence that free will exists beyond human intuition. >schools will always be trash wherever people are coerced into them, but I have yet to see one pedagogue admit to that, instead they accuse meritocracy and how exams just leads to mechanical learning What about schools in Scandinavia where children receive much more qualitative learning, spend less time in school each day, and aren't subject to exams that make or break their future? >SDGs No idea what is this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Goals Maybe this? Doesn't seem too horrible in my opinion. You seem overly willing to blame almost everything on people as individuals, dismissing potential environmental factors causing people to not live up to your expectations. You're venting which explains your disposition. Maybe meaningful discussion will arise in this thread later. Your post's current form does not permit this, however.

>>86937 its just natural selection.

>>86937 >There's little evidence that free will exists beyond human intuition. There is total disconnect between personal experience and any claims, studies or what have you, that denies that free will does not exist or diminishes its influence in human behavior. You can win a debate against me on this subject, probably with ease, but I won't leave from it convinced that free will does not exist.

>>86934 The western school system stems from a prussian school reform after they lost war against french because too many soldiers exercised their free will and choose to desert over dying for the greater good. So they reformed school with the goal to kill thinkers, to reduce people to mindless obedient order following drones. That worked very well which made the other countries copy them. In other words the public school systems purpose is to turn humans into npcs. If you want to actually have a good teaching experience you need to go private school which is meant to educate a thinking leadership. That aside teachers autolose now simply cause of social media brainrot. Attention span went down and you cant fix that as a teacher. Parents need to remove kids from phones and tell them to touch grass unironically. Exercise instead of adhd inducing short video clips. Gov would basically need to propaganda this on all media channels to even remotely have some impact which obviously isnt happening. Lastly the academic standard has been doping across the board. They been hiding kids getting dumber by simply lowering the standard to pass. But that just means degrees become worthless daycare. Im really curious how this will play out longterm when the current working class retires and the new gen cant perform and im including myself in this. I was in top grades despite doing fuarrrk all and mostly playing games thanks to curved grading and fellow retards doing even worse. I think soykafs gong to explode in next 10-20 years.

I read the OP all the way through and I found the problem. You're boring as hell.

>>86951 That is just because I am not pointing to a conspiratorial enemy to dump all the blame into, I am certain your reaction would be very different if my writing style was that of a schizophrenic, blaming invisible clowns for toying with the mind of the leaders by shooting waves that influences thought patterns. Studying the world doesn't make one better than anyone, but I assure you it doesn't give the high of cocaine. Studying the transcendent might give you a feeling of relief or inner peace (as long as it answers the questions that is bothering you), but make no mistake, a teacher cannot provide you fun, relief, not inner.peace.

>a teacher cannot provide you fun hard disagree, there are hilarious teachers, the guys in their last year before retirement tend to be amazing because they stop giving a fuarrrk about what gov regulations demand and just do what they want.

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School took my love of reading and turned it into torture of soykafty books I cared nothing about and forced to do book reports on these soykafty books I care nothing about but even the ones I liked it was a chore to do a report. I don't read novels anymore because of what school did to me. And why the fuarrrk do they even give grades on projects in art classes? There is no real objective way to grade art. Even if someone doesn't do the assignment exactly it can still look good intentionally. I also found there was too much repetition in mathematics assignments like I was given 100 identical problems. One time I found some marked wrong but they were correct. I told the teacher it was graded wrong, she kept arguing with me until i convinced her to do the problems herself. The answer sheet used for grading had some wrong answers in it. lol She didn't correct anyone else's grades or her answer sheet in the textbook. >>86959 Oh yeah I had one teacher who constantly giggled at his own bad jokes like he's high as fuarrrk 24/7 and another teacher was like a standup comic level of funny with random stories he'd tell. I had one teacher who liked to dress up in a costume sometimes and he'd randomly walk out of class to flirt with the more attractive female teachers. I also really liked in elementary school sometimes some teacher took class outside on some grass in the shade instead of staying stuck in the classroom all the time.

>>86959 I had one such teacher myself and figured the one thing in common among them is that they had given up, and their students couldn't remember one thing of what was taught, he taught physics. The teachers that students praises the most are those who pretend to teach in class and never actually evaluate their students. I stand by what I said - a teacher cannot.provide you fun, that too, is entirely on you because it depends on your interest in the subject. The value is in the subject, if that is not valuable to you, the value of every pedagogical approach is immediately reduced to manipulation tactic, a way to exhort, convince you to continue pursuing the knowledge in a given field. Interestingly, that is what every retarded pedagogue that I absolutely HATE seeks and insists on doing, they have a Hollywood syndrome that makes their entire persona fake, devoid of honesty, all of them loves to show off.

>>86963 It depends if the teacher is able to work their personality into what is being taught or not. A teacher fun to be around wont teach any better if they are still teaching the same stuff the same way as everyone else.

I taught college students for a couple years. I agree to an extent but there is some truth to the "teachers need to make students excited to learn" crowd. There are some people who simply cannot (or will not) learn a certain topic no matter what you do, but there definitely are some teachers who are so bad at their job that students who are able and willing to learn will be unable to learn from them. I had only a couple unteachable students, but I taught college students, so I have to think the combination of them paying for the class, not being forced to be there, and being at least 18 filtered out a lot of the students who were unwilling to learn. >>86961 Don't know what you're testing but try it in >>>/test/

>>86963 >The teachers that students praises the most are those who pretend to teach in class and never actually evaluate their students. Sure, agreed on that. Give out free top grades and they praise you, most are dumb fuarrrks who only care about that. The most disappointing aspect is these idiots actually think they are good when they get a good grade despite failing 80% of the math test. Zero self awareness. However that's not me. The teacher i liked most graded the harshest without pity. Dude was on his last year and gave like 90% of the class minimum passing grade. But who cares about grades? You only need grades in your last own year to apply for higher education. What really matters is he didn't teach the typical "facts facts facts, memorize it all" but said okay here's some minimum required information, figure out why and how things work like they do. Dude made you actually use your brain to reason and work like a researcher in ~8th grade. Grades were naturally trash cause most never had to use their head before but the result is actual learning how to think and not just memorizing facts. Also had a math teacher who let the kids figure out formulas on their own,for example she helped with derivatives and simply said okay try to reverse process. 3/27 kids figured out integration on their own. Sure bottom gets iq filtered but you produce some competent kids in return. And fuarrrk catering to the bottom anyway. Whats the point of cultivating welfare recipients with welfare grades? You cant hire idiots either way, welfare degrees wont get them into productive jobs but catering to bottom does kill the development potential of smart kids who get bored and quit participating in school.

>>86934 >pic Beautiful library. Children would have far more interest in studies if they were taught classics, mythology, adventure, the less materialistic side of sciences, all the while being invited to meditate as if they were members of some zen eastern school. They could be shown how mathematics and harmonics are found everywhere in nature, their eyes would be opened. They would be taught how to see and respect beauty. Kids are always far more active and interested in things that are tangible, when they can observe with their own eyes the creative process of any given kind of activity, be it traditional or modern, and they love to be involved and do things, not just sit. Looking at them as if they were bland hard drives that are just waiting to be stuffed with bland, theoretical and fairly distant "knowledge" is what all our governments do and it's just producing soulless drones. Teachers should be trained to know how to kindle the love of knowledge in the hearts of the young ones. But how could even understand that when parents themselves can't even imagine once acting like teachers to their own kids? Most parents don't take care of their own children's education and think too highly of their own nation's institutions.

>>86937 >What about schools in Scandinavia where children receive much more qualitative learning, spend less time in school each day, and aren't subject to exams that make or break their future? I went to school in Scandinavia and it was basically a battle royale. From what I've read it's even worse now. As for your comment regarding free will, yes there is little evidence that free will exists in the way we intuitively understand it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Scandinavian schools might feel more concerned about what's between your children's legs right now than the quality of the stuff displayed on their screens.

At the current time, Scandinavian schools are producing the top-rated students in the world, especially Finland. There are many other countries with "top rated universities" judged by other criteria, like resources, teaching staff, etc. But judging only by quality of graduates, Finland is best in the world.

>>86971 >Also had a math teacher who let the kids figure out formulas on their own My differential equations professor was very fond of telling us to almost never memorize a formula. "just understand why the formula is what it is and then you'll know it well enough to derive it yourself at test time, and you'll never suffer from misremembering one symbol or applying the wrong formula to a problem" It was something I had intuitively been doing as long as I can remember, but it was the first time I saw a teacher mention it. Loved that teacher.

>>86987 I hate memorising things and love that way of doing math, but it is completely impractical in a university exam environment. At least for me it was. The only way i could get good grades was memorising formulae and practising specific styles of questions, even into the end of my bachelor degree in math

>>86988 are you also making your ai using only maths foundations ?

>>86988 Not the other dude but i actually passed uni math by understanding, i have soykaf memory so i cope with figuring out how you can derive formulas from each other to fill the gaps on demand. Got near perfect scores so its effective cope. That aside past getting the degree the real trouble is retaining what you learn. I feel in many ways dumber at 25 than i was at 16 already. And while initially assuming its just my broken brain ive noticed asking classmates about material from a semester ago would net universally dont remember. So they couldn't retain it for half a year which sets a pretty grim outlook. Its kinda fuarrrked how nobody addresses spending years supposedly learning but retaining almost nothing with more than "oh it still totally helping you" handwaving.

>>86988 He did say "almost never" memorize a formula. There were a handful he told us to memorize. Something that made it more effective in his course is that he regularly worked out (or had us do) proofs of the formula/rules during class, so we did have the reasoning behind the rules drilled into our heads. >>86992 >I feel in many ways dumber at 25 than i was at 16 already. I graduated almost a decade ago. Sometimes I read my old notes and am shocked at how utterly foreign a concept is to me now. That differential equations professor eventually told us something like >most of you are going to go into fields of study and work where you're not going to see a differential equation for years, if at all, so you're doomed to forget almost everything you've learned about them by then. if there's one thing you remember from this class, it's that if you ever have to solve a non-trivial differential equation by hand, try it with laplace transforms. If that doesn't work, give up and he was right. Differential equations have not shown up in my life since then, and I've forgotten nearly everything other than that Laplace transforms exist.

>>86986 Most Western countries are destroying their respective schooling systems so that doesn't say much. Finland is also a country with low immigration and isn't submerged by room temp neuronless hominids. Finland isn't rising insofar as it's just floating while all other countries are sinking at varying speeds.

>>86937 >What about schools in Scandinavia Oh, that's me! You can add to the "no one gives a fuarrrk and is just doing their time" the fact that gifted education is illegal here, so the very few who care get extra fuarrrked, besides the obvious bullying such deviancy would inspire. >where children receive much more qualitative learning Hah! Our maths books had three tiers of exercises. The first tier was mandatory, and was literally just the fuarrrking chapter example with other numbers. Yay. The second tier was the same, but you might have a unit transformation! Can you turn meters into centimeters?! Ohhhh how exciting! The third tier could, on occasion, include some thinking. Or remembering something that wasn't just introduced in this very chapter. Those were strictly optional and strongly discouraged in favour of robotically tracing the example problem step by step some more. Then after a few weeks you take a tiny baby step and get to roleplay being a calculator on a new(er) problem. Unless you're in year 1 of HS, since we can't find it in our dear little hearts to fail the fuarrrking retards, the entirety of year 1 in high school will be pure repetition. Or "only" half a year if you go a sciency route. Personally, I never even touched the first two tiers of exercises, and instead spent most of the time staring at a wall. I'm not joking. It was so goddamn boring, not just maths, the whole thing, that it turned into a fuarrrking trauma. It took me years before I read anything after I'd done my time, and I still can't do dull routine work after I realized at age 9 that working ahead just meant you'd have to repeat it later and be even more bored. And I mean literally can't, it's physically painful. I used to love learning. They fixed that.

i tried so hard to eek by without acquiring any debt and take a few classes at a time at community college and working 'full time no benefits'. i did everything 'right', in order to have the worst job as substitue teacher, then i got arrested for being a transient individual with no place to sleep at night. now i can never teach no matter what. now you know who are the teachers and who are the awful criminals.