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What is your opinion on the human condition and how has it affected you the most?

My human condition is that of an american millennial with a sheltered suburban upbringing. When I was young the bad guys were clear - the monopoly of microsoft and the anti-intellectualism of religion - yet today google and science seem no different. n.b. I still think engineering (as distinct from science) is really cool though! I feel a bit lost what to do when it comes to any large-scale questions, I feel a bit paranoid of what happens to high-profile people and webites like Aaron Swartz or the Internet Archive if they ever step out of line. But I still enjoy hanging out with you guys and other small little oases scattered across the wired. Nonetheless, my work ethic could be a lot better. Sloth is a sin, yet the architecture of my sin is a tangled mess to understand. Hard work is not a virtue by itself, e.g. plowing salted fields, and feelings of alienation and boredom from a task can be a clue that efforts are better directed elsewhere. And even though on paper skill development is always worth it even on skills of marginal value; on paper staying up 24 hours a day is optimal too, yet experience shows that to be foolhardy. Something is obviously wrong with my mental fitness, but I don't feel confident as to what, and I'm reluctant to embrace an answer that is too simple (e.g. just eat less and exercise more bro). I'm really grateful for educational visualization channels like 3Blue1Brown. I think I've been spoiled by modernity and brainwashed by hypernormalization into taking them for granted as something commonplace and easy, when really they are a rare and hard genius, just like running water. It's not safe to bet that they'll still be here tomorrow; yet it's not safe to bet that they'll be gone tomorrow either - I've been told the world will end many times yet it is still here, and while I've no doubt the predictions will one day be correct I've also no doubt that the market can remain irrational longer than I can remain solvent. In short, I don't know what to commit to. Of course I try to maximize short-term local benefit from day to day, but a commitment is a qualitatively different thing. I am not looking for children at this time and, due to the nature of time, probably ever; but I don't feel confidence nor loyalty to anything else I see either.

I'm not sure there is a human condition, biological limits aside, outside of history or a given society. Digital technology has radically reshaped our world, our sense of space and time, and before that print technology did the same. Ideas, cultural, religious, and scientific, have also shaped what it means to be human in any given time period. In the 18th century, Enlightenment philosophers placed humanity at the center of their ideologies. If we could establish a science of the human, we could engineer a better society. This produced liberalism, racism, fascism, and Marxism, all proven failures. In the 21st century, their narrow, rigid, and self-centered idea of what it meant to be human are breaking down with the emergence of new technologies. People can now change their gender, we have artificial wombs for animals, pacemakers and recitative medicine challenge conventional understandings of death, wearable technology and urban planning have changed the way we relate to each other. So the current condition is paradoxical: ideological zealots uphold modern humanist ideas (think of Trump's tranny bashing or Jacobin commies and libertarians thumping theories) while our 200 year old Enlightenment ideas about what humanity even is are collapsing. The challenge, is how do we adapt to a world where socializing is now dead, where we can't tell fact from fiction anymore or where digital brothels called dating apps are beginning to replace dating? How do I find some kind of stability in a world that's always changing and nothing seems certain? How do I deal with the overwhelming information overload that ads, the internet, and hypercommercialism subject me to? I'll just sleep because there's nothing worthwhile to do all day. There is nobody to talk to. No connections. Nothing. Aside from consuming mass entertainment which is all trash and eventually you burnout. Everything is worthless.

>>86400 At the top of any competition cheating poses a advantage honest players cant overcome. Thus any ladder will get occupied by cheaters. -Planned obsolescence aside the biggest successful companies also engage in illegal practices like spreading fud about competition, gov bribes for patents & regulations, tax evasion and other criminal behavior for growth. Honest cant compete on equal level. -If you educate people to actually think for themself people will choose self preservation over dying on orders in some soykafty war. So good education died to training obedient soldiers because countries who didn't lost their wars and with it their country. -If you do any competitive sport and dont cheat with drugs you lose to roiders The pattern permeates almost everything so every aspect of your life is affected by this.

>>86449 just work on upgrade yourself, let the rest rot. >>86450 societies only exist if people can get something off it , just look at south africa now, they barely have electricity except in capital and white slums.

>>86400 I was brought to this world against my will and I'm forced to adapt to it but I refuse. I had a rough upbringing in a developing country where everything but the behavioral norm was frowned upon and punished. Developing computer related skills is the best thing that can happen to people like me because it gives us leverage to influence our environment.

In only 300k years, homo sapiens has gone from a new species on Earth to dominance among multi-cellular organisms. It has invented technology after technology to allow greater levels of overpopulation. The technologies and the cultural, commercial, and political systems are noq so complex and pushed to the limit that they are beginning to wobble and fail. When they inevitably all come crashing down, the massive overpopulation that they support will enter a phase of death and destruction unlike anything previously known to mankind. It will make the bronze age collapse and the fall of classical civilization look like picnics. This is where humanity now stands. It's not a fantasy or a dream that can just be brushed away. And there is now no way to prevent it from happening. For all its technological and scientific brilliance, humanity has been unable or unwilling to take the basic steps necessary to survive in a sustainable manner on planet Earth.

>>86453 There was a documentary exploring how long would it take earth to lose all signs of human civilization if we went extinct. They concluded with something 8k years everything is gone. I think that's what actually happens. I believe tech went in cycles and the mayan story is actual recorded history. We even got artifacts like the pirei reis map which shows antarctic under ice and indian ~4k old books describe lightning rods and compound metals which is tech they shouldn't have had by conventional history.

>>86454 "human" is worst insult ever, having to share the same species tag with degenerates

>>86454 I feel like this argument relies on some sorta assumed linear progression of technology, but the only linear progression of technology we see now is determined via hindsight. Different paths of technological advancement are likely possible.

>>86449 All of what you said is true. The only way is to abandon the internet, find a community of real people that share traditional/not modern values with you on the countryside. I'll leave it up to you what traditional means but most humans instinctively know that all of the modern way of viewing the world is soykaf. Technology is alienating, politics is a waste of time, there is nothing good about porn, most modern expert jobs are soykaf and we've thrown out the things that really matter. Our culture has been hijacked to the point that antisocial soykaf like netflix, youtube and other time wastes are normalized. Meaning is to be found in human connection and work with purpose for the good of the community and yourself. I genuinely believe that that's where real fulfillment is to be found. My goal would be to live in the countryside. I just don't know where yet since in my country only old people live in the countryside and moving to another country is a massive step that I cannot take yet. Luke Smith did it so I guess it's possible. >>86451 >just work on upgrade yourself You will never be fulfilled if you think only of yourself

>>86482 >You will never be fulfilled if you think only of yourself i dont live in the city and i will be be when i get what i want.

>>86400 My opinion? I'm glad that I will get another chance at this after I will reborn into this world (or the next).

>>86484 you wont. this is your only chance (I checked)

>>86482 I can personally assure you that the countryside is not some happy friendship-loving cartoon town where everyone gets along and sings kumbaiya. What you are describing sounds more akin to a hippie commune than the actual countryside. All the same soykaf you complain about still exists and is prevalent in the countryside like technology and politics. It's like you people think we live in some seperate world completely cut off from society. Get off of the "retvrn to tradition!" copium you've been fed by algorithims.

>>86525 That's nice of you to assure even though I never imagined or stated it as such. What am I talking is the default mode of communities that most of humanity has been living in for thousands of years that recently got broken by cities and modernization.

>>86482 There isn't a real world to go back to anymore. Even this vision of tradition is a creation of projection and mass market consumer culture. Technology is alienating, but its already muddied the waters and there's no way of going back. Ditching the internet isn't a solution. If you want to go back to traditional courtship when everyone is using hook up apps, you haven't fixed the issue you are facing. We have already reached a world where human connection is dead and we've been atomized to the point society is functionally dead. We have to find some way of surviving in this world now. There's no going back. Traditional values can be helpful, actual ones not fake versions floating around online, but there's no way around the fact: we are doomed. The apocalypse has already happened (or is happening) and now we have to survive somehow.

>>86558 You extrapolate from your own circumstances and because you dont get out you dont see how others live. A good section of the world still lives without internet and even amidst western degeneracy you can find foreigners who retain family structures and socialize with their members over listening to western media promoting self destructive ideologies full time.

>>86558 It seems like a lot of people in other countries must watch American television and think that's America. Are you one of those? Even Americans think American television is stupid and creepy. Come to America sometime and travel around. You'll see a huge variety of cultures and lifestyles, and very little of it like what you see on American television, except maybe in certain parts of Los Angeles. Try New York. You'll meet some good people. they've never actually been to America and seen what it's really like.

>>86558 >There isn't a real world to go back to anymore. Even this vision of tradition is a creation of projection and mass market consumer culture. It is possible. People are living in real life doing activities outside of internet and these people use internet minimally >Ditching the internet isn't a solution. At an individual level you can stop using it as an substitute for real life and instead use it as an tool. Internet should be used for information, not for consumption or socializing. This is possible and people do this. >when everyone is using hook up apps Not everyone is doing this. You can stop doing this Stop being a city bugman and move to where the real people are living in REAL life

>>86563 Digital tech and societal changes have fundamentally changed our experience of the world. Because this is a society wide and globalized bunch of effects, no amount of quitting the internet will fix it. You can find people in China who aren't online that much, but changes in urban planning, management approaches, even the ways stores are laid out or streets are designed, creates a similar level of social atomization even if this expresses itself differently. You can go outside to touch grass and its not all that different to what you left. The endless search for something real in this electric environment is futile. >At an individual level you can stop using it as an substitute for real life There is no real life that isn't being shaped by the internet. Everything from how classrooms work to using the subway or ordering stuff from the fast food slop dispenser show us how much 'real life' has completely changed. You can quit the internet and stop using computers, but everywhere you go you are within mazes of computerized systems. India has the world's largest mass surveillance system, it reaches even tiny rural villages with no running water. The rapid pace of technological invasion destroys even these rural communities. We have Amazonoan tribesman addicted to BBC porn via 5G capable smartphones. There's is no outside and no real world to retreat into. Its gone.

>>86443 there is a lot of contradiction in the world, same way there is a lot of risk, sometimes you have to just sit by as something you hold dear gets taken away all of a sudden, and that can be alarming, but i at least can admire the people that stay composed during those times, if not quite envious

>>86449 i personally think the human conditions ultimately comes down to our fundamental imperfections as a species, and how it hurts us in the long run, something hard wired, something that should be rid of but can't be, i for one suffer as a victim of those problems caused by our ways, but at times i think i contribute to it, but that's because i mirror the actions of those who deem their fundamentally flawed actions as something of decency, and i feel that justifies it maybe even a bit, there's enough hate to go around everywhere, the modern world is proof of that

>>86450 i may have tried to articulate this point already but i'll do it again, we as a species are fundamentally imperfect, and that imperfection can lead to things that can hurt us badly, but is out of our control, we lie, we cheat, we break rules, rules that were man made to begin with, no human is without imperfection, but i have to say that some are certainly worse than others, but no one is truly innocent

>>86484 there exist many different interpretations of the after life or what happens after we die, but in the end, none of them can really be proven true

>>86400 Underneath all of it, the human condition like all creation is going through the Alchemical Process. This is my ultimate feeling about it and how it has effected me most. Thank God.

>>86480 the truth is that the progression of technology in not linear, think of what people in the 1950s thought we'd have today, some may have been right but most of it is a far cry away from it, or look at how fast AI has evolved in 1 year, it is very inconsistent

>>86400 the human is part of a bigger sentient conciousness. we are all moving parts, that align and distance and realign again. we cannot control what the overall picture is, but it is of uttermost importance, that we help each other jump onto the right moment, for the entire stream to work out and for us to stay safe. it has affected me as i understood that just as many particles life or humanity has, so have i as a micro cosmos. meaning shockwaves, fractures, need to be kept together, otherwise they missalign other parts of me and this in turn shift others in their alignment. be it others around me or society at large. it has a ripple effect and that in turn one back to me. so the key is keeping the particles as smooth as possible. and now i understood the idea of god. he is that reference point, a general, overarching coherence. without a belief of general faith and trust, the disintegration firees those parts in all directions. to retrieve it takes either time or is impossible. and this again has effects on outside, inside and so on. basically the human condition, is the existential need of faith and trust.