Gut Microbiome

AKA the second brain. I've been fighting gut problems for ~2 years now, which have been the worst years in my life. I want to start a thread on this topic. Partly to vent, but also to share and exchange information on this topic. I've tried trusting doctors but it's lead to long, arduous, and expensive treatment that lead to no positive results and only worse symptoms as they pumped me full of antibiotics and PPIs leading to further infection from opportunistic bacteria and fungi. Of the protocols I've followed (that aren't from a doctor), I've tried: >Super Gut (Dr. William Davis) Which uses natural anti-biotics/fungals alongside cultured "yogurt" which is used to multiply the dose of probiotic colonizing bacteria >Grow a New Body by Alberto Villoldo He's a bullshit Shamanic healer but he cites studies on certain parts of the program. The jist is a combination of lengthy fasts (20-22hrs), low carb diet for ketosis alongside culturing Saccharomyces Boulardii in Cider to make Hard Apple Cider with a significantly larger number of probiotic yeasts in order to combat Candida infestation. I've been using the former for almost a month, and while I enjoyed some positive benefits I'm back down quite a ways as it seems to have lost effectiveness. I've started the latter protocol, from about a week ago. I'll be documenting my progress, process, studies found and thoughts in this thread for anyone interested..

there's is a publication from a nutrition prof who did a 2 week study with his son where he allowed him to eat only mcdonalds, by the end 60% of the gut biome was gone. Months later some bacteria cultures were still missing. Reintroducing missing cultures is the big problem. The pro-biotic stuff is nice but it doesnt really cover everything you might have killed with junk food / antibiotics fighting some disease.

Antibiotics certainly will fuarrrk up your gut microbiome. >>Which uses natural anti-biotics/fungals alongside cultured "yogurt" which is used to multiply the dose of probiotic colonizing bacteria What is the point of this, do you have a reason for taking the antibiotics or are you just taking them for no reason? Also, what do you specifically eat?

gut microbiome studying sounds very exciting

From what I understand modern studies show that by in large any probiotic you try to throw down even in the form of food is going to die off rather quickly and your gut will return to a largely predetermined equilibrium. If you eat kimchi or take certain probiotics every day with certain meals it will help digest that days or sometimes a few days food (if it is something that helps digest said food), and if you eat a certain specific diet everyday geared towards changing your gut microbiome it will probably change as long as you are on the diet. As soon as you go back to eating a variety of foods or cease taking some probiotic you will quickly return to largely to whatever your intenstines have decided they like to maintain. It in most cases does not matter what specific variety of foods you eat except day to day, your actual default gut microbiome is resilient. There is almost no reason to try to force some diet so that certain microbes die off because they arent getting what they need anymore unless you have a medical condition. And none of it is permanent, bottom line. You arent going to kill some microbe off inside of you and then its just never going to come back because almost all of the things in your microbiome are incredibly common and you will continue to put them in your body everyday and mostly the same ones are going to thrive there at their respective ratios for your body. This is an attractive idea peddled as a problem everyone must be having when unless you have diarrhea everyday and cant afford a doctor its largely going to be a waste of time to try and force some ratio of probiotics you think will help your depression or anxiety or whatever.

I thought it might be good to share the PDFs here for Super Gut which has a lot of key insights into the mechanisms here. I don't fully agree with what Dr. William Davis preaches, and I feel he often over-exaggerates effects but a lot of what's in here is immensely useful. I also attached the recipe book but really the only stuff that matters there is the yogurt recipes. >>84890 It's true. A lot of probiotics don't survive inside the human body, but there are many that do and how you use them depends on what you're doing... The human body is ~37C. The probiotics in Kefirs and Kimchi thrive at 25-30C and while they CAN survive in 37, they won't for very long. In this way these probiotics are called "non-colonizing". They exist to enter your gut, crowd/fight the existing harmful bacteria, then leave. This might make them seem less useful or "weak", but that would be misleading. The yeast S Boulardii has been proven in studies to inhibit and greatly reduce numbers of Candida Albicans, the most common fungi causing SIFO symptoms. Yet, Boulardii is non-colonizing and passes through the gut within a few hours. On the other hand, colonizing bacteria take residence in the gut. Probiotic colonizing bacteria are usually soil or human-derived strains that have some proven benefit to our systems while having an optimal growth temperature similar to our body. A common example is Yakult, which at 100MCFU/day has been proven to reduce the occurence of respiratory infections and reduce recovery time significantly.

>>84890 I'll also add that I'm not sure why you think I'm doing this for anything other than curing my gut problems caused in-part by overgrowth. The idea that the gut microbe is fixed is horseshit because stool tests and biopsies exist. I had H Pylori overgrowth leading to inflammation in my stomach lining (red spottage all over). What did the doctor do? Write me up some antibiotic, PPIs, and probiotic pills. Two years later my H Pylori levels are still normal. Can't change the microbiome? Bullshit Of coure I still suffer from many gut issues the medical establishment hasn't been able to help me with, which is why I'm doing all this soykaf. I'm not doing this for fun.

>>84890 >>84893 Diet affects the ratio of bacteria inside your gut because digestion of food is not uniform across bacteria cultures. Popping sugar is considered bad because the bacteria that thrives most on it is considered bad. So if you pop soda only you basically feeding the bad bacteria while the good ones starve as they cant process it as fast. This also means diet change has to be permanent as going back to a soykafty diet will restore a soykafty gut biome.

>>84895 Again, false. Outside factors can greatly change your microbiome. I had been living following a normal diet when I ended up with H Pylori overgrowth. That was eradicated by the medicines I previouslly mentioned, but that lead to a reduction in my bile production/acidity. This lead to opportunistic bacteria moving up the GI tract to give me H2 SIBO. The SIBO infection was not caused by any sort of diet. It was pre-existing bacteria that had previously been controlled by the body's natural function proliferating in a time of weakness. Treatment of SIBO typically entails a diet change paired with antibiotics and probiotics. Thinking that returning to a previous diet (taken that it's healthy) after a kill-phase will cause the same bacteria to flare up again in the same numbers and that the ratio of bacteria is unchangeable is silly. Healthy people have a large variety and number of good bacteria that keep the bad bacteria in check. If the bad bacteria increase to harmful amounts, then we make a concious effort to reduce their numbers through diet or medicine while increasing good bacteria so that we can return to that healthy equilibrium without maintaining a "perfect" diet

>>84899 >>84895 I'll also add that what you're talking about is seen in a lot of "Carnivore Diet" studies. Often times people following these diets will find switching back to "normal" eating more and more difficult as their microbiome changes. They eat no carbs and no fibers, so the good bacteria die off while many of the bad bacteria and yeasts survive by entering dormancy. Once the person eats carbs agaig, Oh! There's only bad bacteria left and they can multply without having to compete with beneficial bacteria. We're discussing something different here. We're not only reducing the numbers of bad bacteria and yeasts with a kill-phase, but we're reintroducing beneficial microbes to compete and keep the ratios under control

>>84899 >Thinking that returning to a previous diet (taken that it's healthy) That was my angle - people largely don't have healthy diets. I think reports about ineffective measures come from temporary measures that get negated by permanently bad diets which pose a constant modifier on gut biome.

>>84903 that's like saying losing weight is pointless because most the country is obese Candida Albicans infection has been proven to cause increased sugar cravings, just like how overweight people crave way more food compared to after losing a lot of weight. Once it's off, you'll want it less.

>>84900 >They eat no carbs and no fibers, so the good bacteria die off while many of the bad bacteria and yeasts survive by entering dormancy. What makes you think that? Would you say the same thing about a lion not eating carbs and fiber? Besides, eating carbohydrates will make specific bacteria multiply and those bacteria will then signal to your brain to eat more sugar. That is one way how you get sugar cravings. And eating fiber is absolutely pointless, seeing as humans don't have a cecum to break it down. It only causes gut bloating and discomfort. >Once the person eats carbs agaig, Oh! There's only bad bacteria left and they can multply without having to compete with beneficial bacteria. Or maybe its because their gut microbiome has adapted to digesting animals and animal products. Of course when you suddenly change your diet to something radically different, your gut microbiome will have to adapt and that will take time.

I'll try to post some processes for some of the ferments I make, just to share. >>84919 An actual carnivore's gut is so differently adapted from hours that point isn't even worth discussing. Silverback Gorillas have a lot of muscle, therefore you should spend all day munching on jungle leaves for fruit... >maybe its because their gut microbiome has adapted to digesting animals and animal products. No, it's from the proliferation/survival of harmfu bacteria in their microbiome that become more active upon being fed. This is easy to confirm through stool samples. We can identify harmful bacteria in the stool just as we can from any other stool test. We know the effects of the over proliferation of these microbes (hence why SIBO/SIFO is recognized) >eating fiber is pointless fibers that are hard/impossible for us to digest, specifically resistant starches, are taken to feed the microbiome. prebiotics are taken alongside antibiotics to increase their efficacy acting like an undigestable fiber is equivalent to eating wood chip is stupid

>>84893 I dont know who you are or why you think I think your doing anything im aware medical interventions exists and overgrowths of bacteria can happen for a variety of fuarrrked reasons nothing in my post was strongly worded as absolutes it was worded as "in almost all cases" and worded that way towards anyone who may have read this "its your second brain" thing and think they are gonna metamorphosis by buying a bunch of useless crap in gelatin capsules and drinking yakult every day.

>>84922 >An actual carnivore's gut is so differently adapted from hours that point isn't even worth discussing. Nope. And it is worth discussing. The digestive systems are actually very similar. Here are some things about the human digestive system to consider: >Teeth: Human teeth are sharp for tearing flesh. Humans may not have long canine teeth like carnivores do, but keep in mind that humans don't hunt with their mouths. Also human teeth are not made to grind down fibers, hence why you cannot move your lower jaw side to side when you bite down. Just like other carnivores. >Stomach ph: 1.5 - 2.0, in the range of scavengers - carnivores. >Stomach composition: Humans have a simple single chambered stomach. Just like other carnivores. >Small intestine length: Humans have short small intestine. Just like other carnivores. There is no need for a long intestine, when nutrition from animals is easily digestible. Herbivores on the other hand have a really long small intestine needed to extract as much nutrition from plants as possible. (Not that there is a lot of nutrition in plants anyway, but they eat plants all day) >Lack of cecum: Humans have residual cecum (appendix) that is so small, that is is pretty much useless, so fiber digestion does not happen. The appendix would imply that a long time ago, humans used to be herbivores, but then they started eating animals and the cecum (now the appendix) shrunk down. >Large intestine: Again, short. Just like other carnivores. >Silverback Gorillas have a lot of muscle, therefore you should spend all day munching on jungle leaves for fruit... Can't tell if you are joking. But again, gorillas have a cecum, humans do not. Go and eat just leaves all day and see how much muscle you put on >No, it's from the proliferation/survival of harmfu bacteria in their microbiome that become more active upon being fed. I don't see how an animal eating its natural diet would cause harm. >prebiotics are taken alongside antibiotics to increase their efficacy But antibiotics destroy you gut microbiome, no? That seems a bit counterintuitive. Unless you take the antibiotics to clean your gut microbiome, and then the prebiotics to repopulate it. But even then, it doesn't feel like a good idea to just exterminate your microbiome, no matter how bad it is. >acting like an undigestable fiber is equivalent to eating wood chip is stupid I never said that... And it seems like you are implying that there is some kind of fiber which is digestible by humans, which is false, humans do not have the ability to digest any fiber. All it will do is ferment in your gut and cause bloating and discomfort.

>>84925 Bears also have have sharp teeth and digestive tracts not optimized purely for digesting plants, and also tend to have high-meat diets, but they are generalist omnivores, just like humans. Another more closely related example would be baboons. Obligate carnivores like cats are substantially more optimized for digesting meat and bone, and they will genuinely get sick and die with a vegetarian diet, while humans (and many other omnivores) can live long, healthy lives without ever eating meat. >humans have a single chambered stomach with ph 1.5-2 So do horses. Not all herbivores are ruminants. This applies to basically all of your other points too. >small intestine length a rough estimate for small intestine length/torso length ratio for a dog is 5. For humans it's about 10 while for a horse it's about 13, not that far off. >large intestine length dogs ~1, humans ~3, horses ~5. Keep in mind that dogs are also not obligate carnivores, although in nature dogs & wolves definitely eat more meat than non-meat. >But even then, it doesn't feel like a good idea to just exterminate your microbiome, no matter how bad it is. Definitely. That's a terrible idea. >which is false, humans do not have the ability to digest any fiber. That doesn't mean we are incapable of digesting materials which contain other simple or complex sugars along with cellulose, such as fruits, vegetables, and grains.

>>84925 We can't digest fibers We can't digest resistant starches provided by the raw tubers and astringent fruits either, yet their provably and verifiably beneficial to our gut microbiome fiber != cellulose One feeds the microbiome, the other acts as water-absorbing bulk to make soykafting easier

>>84926 >Bears also have have sharp teeth and digestive tracts not optimized purely for digesting plants, and also tend to have high-meat diets, but they are generalist omnivores, just like humans. Bears will eat just about anything in the fall, to gain as much fat for the winter. But they do tend to avoid fibrous material. >while humans (and many other omnivores) can live long, healthy lives without ever eating meat. I would argue that humans do not do well on eating plants. Sure, eating some fruit here and there is not gonna hurt, but there is little nutrition in plants and it is hard to absorb, either due to being physically locked away, or due to antinutriens blocking the absorbtion and even binding to minerals in your body. Also plants are full of phytotoxins. And sure, technically you could live a long healthy life by not eating meat, 30 eggs a day would suffice, but your jaw would probably get atrophied from lack of chewing. Look at how sick people are these days, people are eating more and more plants, and they get more and more sick. Sure, some of it is caused by highly processed "foods" and the environment we live in, but plant toxins and poisons are definitely a factor. Tell me, what nutrients are found in plants that are not in meat. And do not say vit c, because meat has it. >So do horses. Not all herbivores are ruminants. This applies to basically all of your other points too. Horses have a stomach ph of 2-6, there is a gradient across the stomach. >a rough estimate for small intestine length/torso length ratio for a dog is 5. For humans it's about 10 while for a horse it's about 13, not that far off. Carnivores have 3-6x. Humans have 4-6x. >>large intestine length >dogs ~1, humans ~3, horses ~5. Yea, the large intestine is the one thing which leans a bit more towards herbivory, due to being slightly longer than carnivores and not being as smooth as carnivores. But again, probably just remnants from when humans used to be herbivores. >Keep in mind that dogs are also not obligate carnivores, although in nature dogs & wolves definitely eat more meat than non-meat. Of course dogs can survive on plants, just like other carnivores, but it is not optimal. And the longer they do, the more sick they get. Just like humans. Modern humans are just more adapted to plant toxins and thus can live longer on plants. When indigenous people begin eating the way modern humans do, they do not tolerate the toxins as well for example and they develop so called "diseases of the west" much quicker Again, tell me, what nutrients are in plants that are not in meat. >That doesn't mean we are incapable of digesting materials which contain other simple or complex sugars along with cellulose, such as fruits, vegetables, and grains. I never said that... Fiber will slow down the absorbtion of sugar (and other things), which in some situations could be desirable, but that is the only thing it could be useful for. >>84930 >One feeds the microbiome, the other acts as water-absorbing bulk to make soykafting easier Fiber just makes you soykaf along with creating gas and irritating your colon. With animal foods there is little waste so you soykaf less often and any waste passes easily.

>>84864 from what I understand, those bacteria naturally appear in the food you're trying to consume due to being airborne and feeding off of the nutrients. you just need to consume enough of the food to where your immune system builds a tolerance to the bacteria, and then eventually it's integrated as part of the microbiome. I think taking any of the target nutrient and slowly increasing the dosage, being careful not to consume so much where you get diarrhea or any stomach problems, will help you build the digestive system and food tolerance that you want. it also helps to avoid things that don't contain industrial allergens. not just things labelled "organic" but also specific forms of the nutrient that aren't as processed (e.g. cooking raw potatoes over baking frozen fries).

>>84942 >those bacteria naturally appear in the food you're trying to consume due to being airborne and feeding off of the nutrients. Sadly > Months later some bacteria cultures were still missing. suggests its not that easy. initial gut biome comes from your mother so its feasible that gut biome has inherited bacteria you cant get from food. I think its possible we start modern life with a messed up biome because once mom took anti-biotica she cant pass a healthy gut biome on to her kids and anti-biotics were available already for multiple generations which means nobody dodged gut genocide. I think there is also some research comparing gut between modern people and native tribe people because they think the tribe people shouldnt have messed up gut biomes like us.

Was gone for a bit. Did a ~50hr fast, followed by a few days of Keto(-like) diet, then 3 days of 20-hr fasts, and now back to Keto. I had some coffee a few days ago, which was a mistake. Completely wrecked my stomach for 2 days straight. I promised I'd post the process so here it is. It's pretty simple and exactly like making actual yogurt. >Heat milk/cream mixed with 2tbsp Inulin per Liter to 175-180F, hold for 20min >Pour mixture into GLASS sealable jars >Chill in the fridge until they're <100F >Add the equivalent of 2tbsp of previously made yogurt (frozen is good too)* >Place in waterbath at the correct temperature for 36hrs *If you don't have a previous batch, make one based on the recipe in the PDF and freeze ALL of it... The first batch will almost always be too strong to eat. You can see some other ferments in the fridge there like the Kefir which I don't drink as much now and the S.Boulardii Cider/Wine which I'll discuss in a future post

>>85093 >>84863 What are your weight and height? Do you do any physical activity?

I will come back to this but has flushing the entire digestive track been suggested? If yes, sorry, as I said I'll come back to this and read more of thread later on.

>>84863 > need gut bacteria simply eat your boogers

The stomach is an extremely deadly environment for bacteria, eating microbes probably won't do much to your gut microbiome. That's why microbiome transplants are done anally. There is good evidence that eating fibrous foods on a daily basis helps your digestive system feel better. They don't even have to be "healthy" vegetables, as long as they contain a lot of indigestible fiber they will help.

>>85296 fruit is important for body in general

I can't speak on the gut micro-biome directly, but I will say that having quit all fiber/carbohydrates and adopting a diet of raw meat, I have finally cured my constipation and have much better health than at any previous point in my life

>>86408 only idiots that dont know how a human organism works will go full carnivore

>>86410 I could either eat in a way that actually promotes my health, or be browbeaten into submission by some little anime retard online. Tell me, what do you think is best?

>>86413 >Tell me, what do you think is best? nothing you clearly are too stupid to grab a biology book.

>>86414 No human's biology is suited for carbs/ fiber and the accelerated rot they inevitably cause. If you want to eat them, that's fine. I will not though.

>>85093 O yogurt-maker-sama. Please tell me the exact machine model you used to make those. I made a thread about not finding a suitable model. >>12268

>>86415 Never heard a based diet with an anti-fiber take before, doesn't it just go through the digestive system? Like you don't actually digest it?

>>86425 The avocation for fiber was its gonna clean digestive system. And if you eat fruit the fiber prevents digestion of the fruit sugar. So you sugar intake is lower than by drinking juice.

>>86426 the fact that you had to tell him that shows the level of education of both him and you.

>>86425 Fiber is responsible for constipation in many people, and removal of fiber from the diet is shown to ease constipation. I struggled with constipation for some time and only made it worse by increasing fiber. Now I am able to have regular bowel movements, and never plan on touching fiber again. >>86426 >And if you eat fruit the fiber prevents digestion of the fruit sugar No, not really. It just slows down the rate at which you absorb it.

>>86430 >No, not really. It just slows down the rate at which you absorb it. Same thing. The fiber prevents digestion of the contained sugar. It still happens but its slower. So what is the result? You soykaf out the fruit before you can absorb as much sugar as you would from the fruit juice.

>>86434 No. Not the same thing. The sugar is still absorbed more or less. It just doesn't go in as fast. If you eat an apple and drink the equivalent amount of apple juice, you digest the same amount of sugar. It just happens slower.

>>86435 fruit exists stomach before it can get digested fully. That's why its less. There were studies on this somewhere ~2016. Dont remember exact year but remember reading it before lockdown In general how you consume things matters a lot for digestion. If you look at Vit D supplements then the oil form has double efficiency to pill form and capsule was somewhere middle. So your effective metabolized dosage will vastly vary depending on form. Pharmacy extensively wrangles with this topic since they need to get dosages right.

Yogurt doesnt have as many strains of bacteria as kefir does unless it's a special variety. Sauerkraut is another one to eat also sour pickles. However there also is such a thing as too much good bacteria especially if not diverse so dont overdo it on fermented foods.

>>86437 kefir strains aren't colonizing due to their lower optimal temperature non-commercial yogurt doesn't have to be a specific bacteria, it can be made of all kinds including colonizing bacteria

>>84863 I also have gut problems. I have noticed that fast food and most artificial sweeteners make my gut issues worse. I have noticed improvements after stopping consuming less junk food or productions that contain artificial sweeteners. My guts seems to tolerate stevia just fine and sugar alcohols don't seem to cause any issues as long as I keep the consumption to minimum. I do not use any other artificial sweeteners or glucose–fructose aka high-fructose syrup aka modified corn syrup. glucose–fructose syrup is very bad for your liver because it can cause non-alcoholic fatty liver and weight gain more than regular white sugar (because fructose is taxing for the liver and it gets stored as fat). I also use probiotics, more specifically I use S. boulardii + Bacillus coagulans and Lactobacillus on alternating days. I have been looking into FODMAP diet, fasting and low-carb diet, too. Also, psyllium seed husk power has helped a lot, too! The fiber supplements that you use, should contain only water-soluble fibers!!

Did you get vaccinated against COVID-19?

>>84863 I want to mention this here because this thread came to me at a time when I also was having extreme gut issues, that taking a purely just b1 supplement has changed my life. It has resolved literally every single gut issue that I have had chronically since childhood, and this is coming from someone who has a diet high in foods that should naturally have a high amount of B1. I went from constant ibs like symptoms, especially after eating, to having a gut that seems better than anyone I've personally known. I highly recommend you do not get a generic B-Complex supplement, as that just made my issues worse even though it had the same amount of B1 as I typically take in it. It takes about 2 weeks to really start doing something for you, but man I feel like I have my life back. I had an eating disorder in my youth because of how much I feared the pain I'd get from eating food. tldr try B1 you can find a bottle off amazon, it's helped my gut more than anything else has come close to doing so.

>>92070 Got a bit interested, and looked up what can cause deficiency: B1 can be destroyed by consuming tea / coffee just like iron B1 is also lowered by inflammation (i.e. chronic disease) high sugar consumption also causes inflammation, if you live on sugar drinks = chronic inflammation i would assume lots of people are potentially under supplied due trash diet Regarding your generic issue: ‌"thiamine hydrochloride‌, a synthetic form of vitamin B1, may cause allergic reactions and other side effects." Looked a bit at amazon and its also in the brand ones, took me 3 tries to find one that wasn't the synthetic form so its not just about generic or not. (last one was also 2x price) That aside how high did you dose?

I started making sauerkraut and kvass earlier this year, and I gotta say it has very much improved my gut health. Coffee no longer causes me gastritis, and I haven't had digestive infections, which I used to have somewhat regularly before that.

>>86414 the same biology books that say men can get pregnant?

really the variety of diets uponwhich one can get by is pretty remarkable imho. You have literal carnivores, who say what you will certainly many of them are doing pretty well, and you have vegetarians or people who mostly eat grains with a little meat and all manner of things. Obviously lots of obese people too, and sickly, but clearly there are many diets which can be OK at least for some people.

>>92117 meat diet is kinda self explanatory - you are meat and eat meat so it's kinda a given you get everything you need. But its not that easy because some of the nutrients need special preparation to be digestible. Pure vegan on the other hand doesn't require special preparation but you need special selection what you eat to cover all nutritional needs. So going extreme does work but you need to gather special knowledge and adhere to a diet to make it work. Both have btw health benefits primarily because they allow to avoid food one might be allergic too. Avoiding chronic inflammation is a massive gain that overshadows an imperfect diet.

>>92129 >so going extreme does work but you need to gather special knowledge and adhere to a diet to make it work. except all the meat ones seem to be stuff that you'd naturally do by accident whereas the vegan ones are a lot more difficult.

>>84863 Not sure why my brain (lol) didn't pick up on this thread sooner. Basically my advice is to forget all that nonsense, it is compelling and it makes sense, but in my experience the broader mechanics aren't what they think and the solutions that follow ar enaturally just as ineffective. First you think, ah, inadequate stomach acid and bile production, bad bacteria making it through. So people take betaine HCl or try to optimize pancreas and gallbladder function. Next it's, ah, stomach acid is killing probiotics, so take it in this or that way or take soil microbes that can survive the ingestion. Or take this or that pill coated in whatever at x colony forming units dosage (millions, billions, whatever). Some people try to eliminate toxic exposures like fluoride and toxic food, glyphosate, atrazine, microwave radiation that tunes gut flora for virulence (which it does, don't care what you think that you think). Or it'll be biofilm breakers and something like oregano oil. Or it'll be kimchi and sauerkraut, but since your gut is probably trashed your DAO won't be functioning and you'll get histamine and tyramine overload. Or gardening to get soil on your body and in your mouth. Ultimately it doesn't work. All of that is helpful but it never seems to last. The solution I found was NAC, vitamin C flushes, and boron. That was it. 2 tsp of borax ina quart of water per day, occasional NAC, clean up the diet, no cell phone and wifi obviously. My suspicion is that the primary cause is something like a genetically modified shewanella growing in our guts because it's sprayed from the sky. Eliminating grains and gluten is good as well. Anyway, dealt with this sh!t for like 10 years. Constant pain, whole body burning nerve pain, extreme bloating and motility issues, eating anything would drop my blood pressure and spike heart rate for the next 8 hours, brain fog. NAC and boron were what fixed it. A good multivitamin without rice corn soy gluten etc is helpful as well, as you need zinc. There's postural stuff and nerve pinching which can mess up the vagus nerve and parasympathetic tone, can be tested by mixing clove or lavender essential oil with a carrier like castor or coconut and putting it around the jaw behind your ears. Anyway that's my advice. I solved it and would have eventually destroyed myself somehow otherwise.

>>92134 I should note also that the approaches I laid out actually last, I would consider it fixed indefinitely at this point. There's always some new MD out there talking up the latest miracle microbe, and I just think it's ridiculous. Most of the gut microbiome is pleomorphic and managed by antigen presentation and EMR in the gut. Either there's something there which shouldn't be (inflammation, virulence tuned microbes, a tangle of bacterial nanowires from shewanella or w/e, leaky gut, toxic load, manmade RF), or something is not there which should be (nutrition). If you aren't eating hyperprocessed food the gut will repopulate itself, gradually. Boron supports the nervous system, vitamin C NAC and zinc support rebuilding the villi and gut lining, and the boron also probably strips out the glue-like biofilm made by species of shewanella and other fungus which rain down on food and you daily using microplastics, aluminum, and probably graphene wedge shapes used to alter the freezing point and crystallization pattern of water. This is also why fungal disease is a big problem in forest and you have emerald ash borer etc spreading everywhere, plants are weakened and the mycellium matt + soil microbiome is damaged. You're then doubly, triply exposed to these stressed microorganism, which become actively hostile and change their form (pleomorphism) when stressed. Microbes also emit viruses "no different than a chicken laying an egg" when stressed or exposed to poor modulatory factors by neighboring organisms. This all combines to fuarrrk up your skin and gut. Antioxidant depletion is another aspect, glutamate, cysteine, B-vitamins are needed to make glutathione. Selenium, copper, and zinc are needed to make glutathione peroxidase, reductase, and superoxide dismutase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmN_gYXcTH8 The cells I am at the moment will soon die, but I will be here. I'll still be here.

>>92132 by accident in prior times but not now. You need to let meat rot ideally with pre-selected fungal cultures to maximize digesting some of it's nutrients which nowadays won't happen unless you intentionally do it since we are so averse to "bad food" and throw it out fast.

>>85296 This problem can be sidestepped by taking the probiotic supplement with the correct meal. You need a meal high in healthy fats like olive oil, avocado oil or other oils high in omega-3 fatty acids, but avoid omega-6s like soybean oil. The fatty acids form micelles around the probiotics to protect them from stomach acid. Drinking milk with the meal will also help because it moderates your stomach's pH. Still not convinced? Substitute antacid for plain milk and use it shortly before the probiotics.