Extreme desensitization to stress by all means

I have struggled with stress all my life, especially physical symptoms. But I've had enough. I'm seeking a solution. What I've been doing so far: >cold showers >meditation >cardio and resilience exercises >healthy diet If you have any book recommendations on this topic, I'd greatly appreciate them. I've been considering desensitizing myself to stressful stimuli by continuous exposure to it, such as extreme horror content and bad psychedelic trips. I'm already somewhat used to those things. I plan on developing adrenaline junkie behavior in the future, one step at a time. Theme park rides were always stressful to me because of my fear of heights (which I will confront and resolve, have already taken my first step in that direction) so I assume they will be crucial in this entire process. What else do you think might help?

>psychedelic trips Sorry to disappoint, but you're now beyond salvation. Keep drugging yourself, what can I say?

>>82139 lsd, in controlled quantities, is an amazing tool for studying tho

>>82140 i thought a functional brain was enough of a tool

Meditation and resilient exercises are based ways to overcome stress. I also recommend tea with adaptations. Sometimes it's as simple as reminding yourself that you're fine and in a safe environment (but don't make it a habit because sometimes you genuinely aren't in a safe environment).

>>82143 its never enough , you can always get more power

>>82145 >lsd >power tfw i want but can't even comment on that. whatever you keep telling yourself.

The stress may be your body warning that you really are in a bad situation and you need to change it. it is common because modern society is a bad, unhealthy environment for humans. Exposing yourself to harm isnt good and will not make you more resilient. Stress causes profound harm and so you should avoid it. Regardless, cardio, diet and meditation are all very good. I recommend the book Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers

What most people today call "stress" is just chronic physical inflamation. You guys eat soykaf, create oxidative stress and then wonder why you feel tense all day long Here's something to google: >chaga mushroom (antioxidant, imunobooster, improves brain function) >cordyceps mushroom (anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, larvicidal, anti-inflammatory, anti-diabetic, anti-oxidant, anti-tumor, pro-sexual, apoptotic, immunomodulatory, anti-HIV) >shiitake mushroom (protect against cell damage, help your immune system, and boost white blood cell production for fighting off microbes) >reishi mushroom (support the immune system, reduce inflammation, promote relaxation, improve sleep and manage stress and anxiety) >lions mane mushroom (fighting dementia, treating nerve damage, managing diabetes, and preventing ulcers) >Grounding, also called earthing, is a therapeutic technique that involves doing activities that “ground” or electrically reconnect you to the earth (removing free radicals from body) >nerve flossing (tensioning one end of the nerve while simultaneously releasing tension on the other end) >Vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, omega 3 (a lot of people have deficiency in these) >physical exercise (at least do some cardio) >eye movement therapy (mental stress can be removed with simple eye movements) >trauma release exercise (literally shaking the PTSD away) >cognitive behavioral therapy (stroicism for retards) but more importantly, instead of adding soykaf like supplements and whatnot, just try removing stuff >less screen time >less electronics near you >less processed foods >less soda >less indoors or simply stop wasting time on energy vampires like >>82147

>>82154 >energy vampires you just don't seem to loose a possibility to ripost me :D also you're quite a fan of mushrooms, something really appreciable! i can see how that may place one on the right track! also mushrooms are heavy on stomach

>>82155 They can be bought in supplement form. I had few experiences with psychodelics which made me start to have holistic approach to my health. I realized it is as much psychological as it is physiological. Nothing that disturbs your peace is worth it.

>>82138 All you need is diaphragmatic breathing. No fancy drugs. Just center yourself and breathe. Physical conditioning to strengthen the body and hone the mind to be able to persist through adversity. Simple exercises like planking and long runs where you don't give up. >I plan on developing adrenaline junkie behavior in the future, one step at a time. ngl that's a terrible idea. At this point combat tourism or becoming a mercenary might be your thing since there is no rush like the life or death of combat. Also you might get PTSD.

Yu-Ichiji Baba I think you're on a good start with those good habits, but I'm going to suggest a short-cut for your 'theme park adrenaline junkie' arc. Rather than exposure IRL, use astral projection / lucid dreaming. You will encounter such fears that are locked in your subconscious (that you had no idea were there), you will be able to fully deal with the issue at the root, and you can do impossible things and live like cutting off your own limbs / head or diving off a cliff. This is an extension of your meditation practice. Try intermittent fasting with your diet as well. >>82143 > I thought I think therefore I am, cartesian dualism > a functional brain Subject-Object distinction, Aristotelian Objectivist Logic, Everything must serve some function for the I > drugs are bad, i am a cold emotionless robot, short loser replies as i skulk away with my tail behind my legs checks out

>>82197 do you honestly think pulling in a bunch of academia terms that do not fit anywhere in the discussion is a valid argument i think you do > i am so emotionally insecure that i need to drug myself or otherwise alter my consciousness because i can't deal with it myself your insults are empty sound to me. go take your dose of lsd and relax, your butt is way too tight with agitation rn

>>82198 dude, you should take lsd to study and not for recreation purposes!

>>82224 sometime later, but probably i'll just kill myself if it gets that bad

>>82227 i am too coward for that, i am trying to work hard in the meanwhile

>>82138 You're doing this in exactly the wrong way which explains why you're still looking for some kind of advice. >inb4 "healthy" slave diet forbids sugar Consume sugar, it is potently anti-cortisol, it literally makes you more resistant to stress at the cellular level. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9823716/ The stress-worshippers like Jocko Willink and David Goggins have permanently enlarged adrenal medulla which basically means they aren't capable of doing anything but run around anymore and have lowered mental abilities. Continuous exposure to stress will give you cancer and whittle away the factors that make you human. Just saying.

Holy fuarrrk lains, this thread is concerning as fuarrrk. Have none of you ever heard of operator syndrome? It's literally the end result of trying to be like the stress worshipers >>82229 talks about. Cursed Article tag https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32052666/ >Results: We identified a consistent pattern of health-care difficulties within the special operation forces community that we and other special operation forces health-care providers have termed "Operator Syndrome." This includes interrelated health and functional impairments including traumatic brain injury effects; endocrine dysfunction; sleep disturbance; obstructive sleep apnea; chronic joint/back pain, orthopedic problems, and headaches; substance abuse; depression and suicide; anger; worry, rumination, and stress reactivity; marital, family, and community dysfunction; problems with sexual health and intimacy; being "on guard" or hypervigilant; memory, concentration, and cognitive impairments; vestibular and vision impairments; challenges of the transition from military to civilian life; and common existential issues. >Conclusions: "Operator Syndrome" may be understood as the natural consequences of an extraordinarily high allostatic load; the accumulation of physiological, neural, and neuroendocrine responses resulting from the prolonged chronic stress; and physical demands of a career with the military special forces. Clinical research and comprehensive, intensive immersion programs are needed to meet the unique needs of this community.

Psychedelics have been mentioned in this thread so I will write about them. For context, I believed that psychedelics could cure my personality issues, my lack of motivation, my anxiety, and my poor focus. And so I took psychedelics. Consider these things: Why do parents who optimize the outcome of their childrens lives for financial stability steer them away from all drugs? If a person wants to achieve financial stability, regardless of their opinions on psychedelics, might it be wise for them to adopt the mindset of these 'tiger parents' and apply it to themselves? Why are airline pilots held to high standards of sobriety? If psychedelics do improve focus, could you imagine a surgeon taking a micro-dose of LSD before a performing a surgery? If you asked him to consider micro-dosing LSD before a surgery, why might he reject this proposition? Does this surgeon take large doses of LSD in his free time? If not, why does this surgeon choose to stay sober even when he is not operating? The age of this site's users is probably majority 16-26. I think it is important for this age range to consider that psychedelics can help or hurt a persons' outcome in life, and of these options which happens may not be so easily controlled by the user.

>>82265 >Why do parents who optimize the outcome of their childrens lives for financial stability steer them away from all drugs? Because they are ignorant. If they were informed they would encourage their kids to take meth. The visual effects of LSD are well known and would interfere with the work of a surgeon and a pilot even if it wasn't mind-altering at all. Most people don't need extreme visual acuity for their profession. Furthermore, psychedelics are good for your soul, not necessarily your wallet. I personally know some very famous, high-achieving mathematicians that have taken a lot of acid and recommend it.

>>82266 but low doses , its about increasing productivity on studies only, it is not for pleasure or recreational purposes

>>82266 >>82267 >If they were informed they would encourage their kids to take meth. Why? >Furthermore, psychedelics are good for your soul, not necessarily your wallet. Here is an anecdote (which most certainly reveals my bias in this discussion. Yours is already obvious). My father has taken and continues to take large amounts of psychedelics in a quest to heal his loneliness and childhood trauma. Despite many psychedelic trips, the core of his personality has not changed: He is irritable, he can't handle criticism, and is neglectful of my two younger siblings. Your note about being good for the soul but bad for that wallet is especially funny here. My father has a good career and puts all of his energy into his work and none of his energy into raising his children. I feel that if your note were correct, then his behavior would have shifted to the exact opposite, but it has remained the same over many psychedelics trips if not worsened. I think you should examine the intentions of my post again. Knowing that many on this site have a pro-psychedelic viewpoint, I wanted to prompt young readers to consider why many people choose to live without them. I did not want to indict psychedelics as something purely bad.

>>82265 >sigh co deliques increase focus, might be good for surgeons and stuff my personal observations of people self described as microdosing on LSD is that, though they may be focused, they are not intelligent, coherent, and logical to the same degree as they are when sober. I can't comment on what the actual dosages are here, nor on what they were like prior to initial sighcodelique usage, There also seem to be more than a handful of cases where people are in some fashion permanently 'mentally scarred' (a phrase I seldom find sensible, but here it seems accurate) after what is described as not terribly serious 'recreational' sighcodelique consumption. Obviously drug usage isn't entirely eschewed. Besides the wide consumption of alcohol (my parents, weakly pushed me towards it, but also firmly against it), caffeine, and some suggestions of nicotine (not to mention the vast number of parents who put their children on stims to get through school, and other state condoned medical system mediated drugs). This article shouldn't tell you very much new but if you find pilots flying on stimms surprising, then its worth a read: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/u2-pilot-fired-cocaine-drug-test/ While this guy is getting busted for cocaine, steroids, and distributing dexdroamphetamine to his colleagues, its acknowledged that it was his prescribed dextroamphetamine, and that amphetamines have been commonly used to keep the USAF flying for longer than there has been a USAF. Its possible that commercial airline pilots take less, though many of them are ex military.

don't argue with druggies. they can't. these are the people that will gladly turn themselves into Frankensteins once technology allows. why? they're worthless as humans and need to compensate their lack of self awareness. – Know thyself! – Lmao ima just take acid to bust my productivity to earn money to buy more acid

>>82269 more of the same >"[Amphetamine] is the gold standard for anti-fatigue," Colonel Peter Demitry, chief of the US Air Force surgeon-general's science and technology division, said [...] >Colonel Demitry insisted that the drug Dexedrine - called "go pills" by pilots - "has never been associated with a proven adverse outcome in a military operation. This is a common, legal, ethical, moral and correct application." >Pilots unable to sleep before a mission are prescribed sedatives such as Ambien https://www.theage.com.au/world/air-force-rushes-to-defend-amphetamine-use-20030118-gdv328.html

>>82269 Thank you for your post, anon. You may have misread my post a little bit, or perhaps what I thought was a clear post was a little bit muddy. My point about surgeons was basically this: Imagine a person who values their psychological as utterly paramount, a person who worked themselves to the bone to get through medical school and then through residency to become a surgeon, whose hands, while they are operating, are responsible in no small way for another human's fate. Here are two questions about this person: While they are operating on patients, do they micro-dose LSD? In their free time, do they take large doses of LSD?

the astroturfing continues... please stop astroturfing this thread with anti-LSD propaganda, you first-year agency bureaucrat schmucks, it isn't going to land you a promotion. we have a /drg/ board and this is a /hum/ topic about stress relief. shut the fuarrrk up and get out.

>>82274 > it isn't going to land you a promotion its just monday and I've already earned myself a bonus. Thanks boss!

>>82274 If an anon is free to mention psychedelics as a solution, then another anon is certainly free to dissent. Furthermore, multiple discussions can occur concurrently in a single thread, and this discussion doesn't lessen the possibility for a discussion about stress. >anti-LSD propaganda Please quote the text that you consider "anti-LSD propaganda". If something is not "pro", that does not make it "anti". Anti-LSD propaganda might look something like the following: "LSD is horrible and makes you crazy. No one should do it under any circumstances." I have not seen any text in this thread that regards LSD with any such sentiment.

>>82270 >they're worthless as humans and need to compensate their lack of self awareness. That is a very nasty sentiment, and only serves to alienate people who choose to use drugs in an non-productive manner.

>>82277 yeah but i don't care about somebody getting alienated to me. nobody so far has given me any significant evidence that drug usage can lead to a better life. all druggies i see are usually that, druggies. all their arguments fade away into obscurity as they themselves by their behavior prove their words wrong. as for military i've seen military drugs destroy people more than once

>>82267 If you want to be productive take a straight stimulant like caffeine or methamphetamine. Microdosed LSD is stimulating but I consider it a big waste to use it just to enhance your performance at work, there are other cognitive effects that can only be taken advantage of when out for a walk or working on something creative/personal. >>82268 >>If they were informed they would encourage their kids to take meth. >Why? Meth makes you work really really hard all the time. It's what they give kids that have trouble focusing, and I know several people who took meth (branded as 'adderall') in college to help study intensely for long periods. Successful people too. It works. I guess once you start making big money you graduate to cocaine though. >Yours is already obvious You might be surprised to discover that I don't think psychedelics are a panacea or that regular use is good. I have not taken any psychedelic drug in years and I have no desire to do so again, and these days I barely take any cannabis at all compared to how much I used to. I have met people that destroyed their minds from taking too much LSD (although I've met far more who fuarrrked up their minds on xanax+alcohol or meth). I also know some people who are addicted to cannabis and can't function without it. Like any other drug, including ones that aren't psychoactive, psychedelics do not always have the desired effect and can make things worse, especially when abused. I don't regret my experience with psychedelic drugs, and although I know multiple people who had deeply traumatic experiences on LSD or mushrooms, I only know one that did not eventually have another trip that they considered healing and beneficial. You are correct that, by themselves, they don't create permanent personality changes. That is something that only focused, intentional work while sober can do. However, putting yourself in an unusual mental state can precipitate the desire and drive to do that work. Once you get the message, hang up the phone. >I did not want to indict psychedelics as something purely bad. Intention and outcome aren't always the same.

>>82279 i will look into it <3

>>82271 I have talked with Air Force doctors who prescribed these drugs to pilots. Don't believe what the Air Force tells you. They just want people to believe they made the right decision. In reality, many of these people end up addicted to the high and the increased productivity at the cost of not being able to live their lives normally. It turned into an endless cycle of sleeping pills and amphetamines just to function.

>>82279 >meth (branded as 'adderall') Overtly false. Meth is not adderall, so your point about college is also false. The chemicals are similar, yes, but what might look like a small change in chemical structure to you actually has a huge impact on the difference between how the substances interact with our bodies. >Meth makes you work really really hard all the time. Interesting. When gay men take meth and have unprotected chem sex for 24 hours is that an example of 'working really really hard'? Does meth have a high potential for abuse and addiction, and, if so, do you think it might be wise for person to gamble with the substance for productivity gains? Does meth have a high rate of overdose deaths? CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION DO NOT TAKE METH YES, EVEN IF PEOPLE ONLINE TELL YOU THAT METH IS GOOD FOR PRODUCTIVITY jesus fuarrrking christ people

>>82287 >jesus fuarrrking christ people druggies are not people, but they certainly resemble them. i have developed extreme hostility syndrome against druggies, mostly for my own safety, but i figured it never fails. no matter how much a druggie gaslights you one day you learn his words were false

>>82287 >Overtly false. Meth is not adderall... high school smartassery. Its not a functional change, its for patenting. Meth is free so they keep it derezzed and hold a monopoly on adderal&ritalin totally not meth brah!

>>82287 >Overtly false. Meth is not adderall Big sorry, it's amphetamine, which is just about functionally indistinguishable (though somewhat less powerful) and is also sometimes sold as meth. Desoxyn is the brand name for methamphetamine. I always get it mixed up because it's all so similar. There are also some binders that make it absorb slower than pure amphetamine. It has all the same addiction potential and side effects, although generally adderall users take lower doses. >Interesting. When gay men take meth and have unprotected chem sex for 24 hours is that an example of 'working really really hard'? You may be shocked to learn that many drugs have multiple uses. >Does meth have a high potential for abuse and addiction [...]? Does meth have a high rate of overdose deaths? Yes to all. Although, it should be noted that this is true of caffeine, qat, cocaine, or pretty much any stimulant. Meth is special in that recreational users tend to take really high doses. LSD in fact is a little bit unique among stimulants in that it has very low addiction potential. It's funny that you interpreted my post as if I actually endorse taking meth. Maybe I should have been more clear. If all you care about is being productive, then the logical thing to do is engage in self destructive behavior such as taking meth. Because optimizing your life around productivity is bad.

>>82297 >It's funny that you interpreted my post as if I actually endorse taking meth. One of your posts reads >If you want to be productive take a straight stimulant like caffeine or methamphetamine. I'm sorry, but people can't read your mind. If your intention here was to make a statement that optimizing productivity is self destructive, then you did a poor job of expressing that. Anyhow, you are quite the wordsmith and you have my respect. Cheers anon

>>82294 >>82297 The branding of methamphetamine is Desoxyn not Adderalll. Adderall is amphetamine which has different effects than methamphetamine. Anyone on the drug board would tell you this.

>>82306 Thank you for repeating >>82306

>>82138 Most people have a false understanding of stress, they don't know what's the point of it or where it comes from. That's why all of what you did didn't really help. Stress is simply like being in "emergency mode", your brain and body prepares you do deal with some challenge you're unawarely perceiving. Often this perception happens when you think of the stressor as something life-threatening, and with continuous exposure to it each day, you develop that chronic stress, and put yourself in a cycle of: >something triggers you >cope (the good or bad way) >realize the stressor is still here You have to deal with the root of the problem instead of suppressing your emotions. Don't listen to those druggie fuarrrkers, we all know that nothing they say will work on the long run, including fuarrrking meth or lsd. Those "healthy copes" didn't work because their purpose is to make you calm down, but since you're in continuous exposure to the "perceived threat" AND because you believe that stress is a bad thing, you're stuck in that cycle. Stress is actually good for you if you use it right. It's not just for "keeping you survived" but also it's your body making you ready to deal with any challenge, mentally or physically. I've made a vid about this stress thing and why you should change your perception about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE-mcZByRXA

>>82415 >You have to deal with the root of the problem instead of suppressing your emotions. This means removing the stressor. Like pain, it's a response to something bad, and it is there so that you can react to the bad thing and make it go away. If you don't think that having bad psychedelic trips or giving yourself psychosis from meth (which is the context that those drugs came up in this thread) are bad, why is intentionally putting yourself in stressful situations good?

>>82423 >why is intentionally putting yourself in stressful situations good? Because all drugs only give temporary relief and... You get yourself mentally and physically ready to deal with your issue, or to get rid of it.

>>82444 again, except for the tangent about LSD, drugs are relevant for this thread not because they give relief, but because they can be used to artificially induce stress. >You get yourself mentally and physically ready to deal with your issue, or to get rid of it. But intentionally putting yourself in a stressful situation means creating an issue for yourself. Sometimes you can chalk this up to training for something, but OP seems to be focusing mainly on going through extremely stressful situations to "numb" themselves.

>>82446 i need to completely rewire my brain and i will.