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There are a number of Lainons with annoying medical problems like insomnia, anxiety, mood swings, etc., and I'm sure many of you are familiar with solutions like keto, the carnivore diet, peat diet, vitamins, nootropics, meds, meditation, weightlifting, etc. Of course a ton of people see improvement on these things. Yet I'm really skeptical when people say they know why something fixed a problem. From what I understand, nutrition science is mostly a crock of soykaf, and psychiatry too is extremely dubious. Psychs have no idea why you're not responding to a drug; all they do is cycle you onto another. Why do we have "Keto believers" and "Carnivore believers"? These diets are simply tools. They work for some, and fail for others; nobody knows why. Here's my idea: Start with your diet. Try Paleo for a month or two. If it fails, try Keto. Or Carnivore. Don't ask, "Why did this fail?" Just focus on whether your body's reacting, whether your symptoms are changing. If so, great! If not, after many failures, then diet probably isn't the issue. And you can try nootropics or meds. Just listen to what your body's telling you. That's just how it works

>>78320 >might as well buy some astrology crystals and go to church while you are at it no you should do those seperately at a different time. only vary one factor at a time if possible.

Placebo effect is a real effect not an imagined improvement. But in some cases it is an actual effect beyond placebo but different people have different needs. There also are cases someone changes one thing also is changing something else and neglects to notice or mention the other thing.

>>78321 >might as well buy some astrology crystals and go to church while you are at it People who say stuff like this are cult programmed themselves. It's obvious because I'm the real deal, they're not. They're my own image, distorted. I'm what they tell themselves they are. It pisses me off and I get tired of it. They're slaves. They think they're rational and enlightened. No. They're just closed minded slaves living in base consciousness. All they can do is avoid being used by the world, they can't assess and create on their own. Just a different type of puppet.

>>78326 things like this are problems but what OP suggests is I think as reasonable as possible a way to try to evaluate things as one can easily hope for. if many people follow it and pool results maybe you get some decent data. perhaps not great but decent, which is something.

>>78329 Well there is something called the elimination diet. Basically it is what OP suggests taken to the extreme. The intent is basically looking for food sensitivities and allergies.

>>78328 Nailed it. People who identify themselves with matter are unable to transcend the limitations of matter. They think themselves nothing but a collection of atoms, and so, they limit themselves to crude automata reacting to stimuli.

>>78349 What you describe is a caricature of serious materialism, the kind that actually solves brain-energetic problems. It's basically Western Behaviorism. The trick is to integrate consciousness into materialism. We may not be able to explain what consciousness is. While western ideology throws it away as an "illusion", a holistic view takes it as an axiom instead. Learning is real, language is real, and at the same time, so is mitochondrial energy production.

>>78318 >These diets are simply tools. They work for some, and fail for others; nobody knows why. Literally all of these are explicable as alteration to energy production. Do you not see this? A key, of course, is understanding the difference between stressful energy production under fatty acid oxidation, and glucose oxidation (the kind favored by the energy-intense brain). Some therapies can increase stressful modes of energy production (although this is still felt positively in some conditions). The goal in any event is to reach a stable state of good energy production without overexcitation and mania. I've personally done much of this posting here over the last year or so, and I can appreciate why it might look incoherent to an external observer -- but I assure you that each idea is a refinement of the last. The relativism you propose is a very dangerous ideology. All observed phenomena are the result of real materially observable effects in the system. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis, all-around. The reasons people give for why things work may well be disconnected from what is actually happening materially. But in any event, things that work do work, and there is a reason for it that is always integrable into a greater body of coherent knowledge, even if the reason may not be immediately obvious.

>>78356 For a second I thought this was some new age nonsense, but I have to say, this sounds really convincing. Does your diet help you articulate your thoughts and explain things this clearly?

>>78356 Explain in depth then

>>78358 Probably, but it's mostly convincing because it's a good idea. It's hardly an idea at all, really, it's the kind of thing that sounds incredibly obvious once said aloud -- what is life if not metabolism? Why wouldn't efficient metabolism make life better, and rapid metabolism make life more? It's almost tautological. >>78363 In the interest of time I can provide a one-sentence summary for each. >keto A kind of shock therapy which works around insulin resistance by the endogenous production of the pseudo-sugar "ketones", which largely behave like glucose, although do not need insulin to enter the cell. Dramatically lowers endotoxin, because little-no starch is eaten. >the carnivore diet The above. Also, meat, which contains important vitamins, a number of them directly relevant in the mitochondrial electron transport chain (thiamine is one) >peat diet Eat simple sugars instead of starches, avoid PUFA. PUFA is more liable to be peroxidized in the warm body. The cybernetic (do look that word up) effect is a decrease in body temperature and metabolism. Simple sugars are easier to digest than starches, and are actually less glycotic, in many cases making them better for diabetic types. Brains loooove sugar, because they're extremely energy-intense, and glucose oxidation is one of the two primary ways for the mitochondria to make energy. While making up 2% of body weight they make up 20% of body energy consumption. THIS IS WHY BIOENERGETIC ISSUES ARE FELT IN THE BRAIN FIRST. There are other minor points, like balancing amino acids using gelatinous cuts of meat. >vitamins See above. B1/thiamine is a flagrant example having a direct effect on mitochondria. >meds I can comment that one reason behind the use of SSRIs is an increase in brain pregnenolone, a neurosteroid that helps to prevent inappropriate neuroexcitation. There is a dynamic in the body between energy and structure -- how to act intentionally and energetically without "ripping yourself apart" at the cellular level? Hormones like pregnenolone and progesterone supply the latter half of the equation. >meditation You'll like this. A common aspect of meditation is slowed or controlled breathing -- this increases the level of CO2 in the body. For various reasons, this has the effect of improving energy metabolism. An analogy might be the way a blowback automatic weapon uses the gases of the previous bullet to cycle the action and fire the next -- the body uses CO2 to power production of more CO2 (by means of cellular respiration) >weightlifting Weightlifting has well-documented effects on mitochondria. For more: Brain Energy -- Chris Palmer raypeat.com

>>78364 Thanks. You mentioned that the goal of nutrition is to give ourselves a "boost" without going too crazy and reaching mania. Personally, I suffer from a kind of numbness at all times, and I have to have lots of coffee and sugar before it starts to lift. But if I continue to eat that much sugar regularly, I'd probably get diabetes. Do you know how I should approach this?

>>78379 Caffeine is a great treatment for digestion, and unlike other stimulants, supports thyroid function. Of course, coffee (partially depending on brew method) contains other beneficial compounds, like cafestrol, and kahweol, which help with hormone synthesis. [0] I wouldn't be worried about sugar-in-itself as a cause of diabetes. The idea that sugar-in-itself causes diabetes (which is certainly related to sugar of course) is a great example of a medical swing-and-miss. At least in some presentations, diabetes is likely more of a problem with starch (which is more glycemic than sugar, in part because of the processing of fructose by the liver)[1]. Consuming ice cream, for instance, is known to be protective against diabetes [2]. Orange juice, besides containing B-vitamins, also contains meaningful amounts of potassium, which support insulinergenic action. [3]. Thinking idealistically, this might make perfect sense when we consider the symbiotic relationship between the orange tree and the orange-eaters: the tree provides something desirable, and the eater spreads the seeds. Of course, a number of modern ideologies see desirability of something to be detached from its use, citing examples of drugs, but they also fail to consider the positive pro-energetic effects of many drugs illict and otherwise (caffeine, nicotine, cocaine). Maybe the simple answer is that the body, in craving such substances, is trying to look out for itself because it observes a positive effect. Ideology stemming from the Western "Behaviorists" (like Skinner) holds that the body is really a set of programs, with relatively little self-reflection, that can be "hacked" easily, and this underlies all desire. But this is more of a product of their dismissive attitude to consciousness as something they could not study in the rat, than a real statement about science. Learning and consciousness are fundamental parts of intelligence at every level. Therefore, their philosophy fails to account for brain energy, and the organic pursuit of it. If there is a negative effect to pure sucrose (table sugar), it's that it contains no nutrition (in the realm of vitamins, protein, etc.) whatsoever. When consumed in reasonable amounts alongside a source of actual nutrition, and in a condition of workable glucose metabolism, some pure sugar can be a good therapy for increasing metabolic rate and treating hypothyroidism. Sugar alongside coffee and milk is my personal work serum. >You mentioned that the goal of nutrition is to give ourselves a "boost" without going too crazy and reaching mania. I think that the goal of nutrition is to produce sufficient energy without relying on stress hormones, which do stimulate energy production, but at the cost of more rapid aging (breaking down body structure to find sugar by gluconeogenesis). Mania is a result of this stress reaction. Sugar has a powerful anti-cortisol effect, by contrast. [4] [0] https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml [1] https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/sugar-issues.shtml [2] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/ice-cream-bad-for-you-health-study/673487/ [3] https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/diabetes-and-potassium [4] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11963830/

>>78388 >I think that the goal of nutrition is (nice dubs) personally though I think the goal of nutrition is to live and not die

>>78389 survival is the minimum passing grade mid grade is not damaging yourself with your food full grade for optimal running condition (most fail)

>>78318 Don't know and won't say stuff about Paleo. Keto mostly works if you've previously had high carb diet (or poor man's diet), it's basically just inverting of the food pyramid (to revert toxicity perhaps?). Carnivore diet is mostly just "eat more B vitamin rich foods" which kind of works, iron/heme and non-heme - iron and B can fix some mental health issues, they say meat is better when stuff is "rare" but it is hard to source fresh and well inspected meat plus there is a chance of parasite fuarrrk up so I just recommend vitamin C only from Citrus in conjunction with it. My real recommendation though is Pescatarian (fish-focused) diet (minus bottom/filter feeders and tank-grown ones) and meat from Ruminants. The whole benefit of Keto in general is the fasting that goes along it, fasting is good for the body, even animals/pets that are sick tend to just go to fasting and they don't need any form of meds. Most problems can be tracked, just keep a diary of what you were eating, how much water you're drinking. Mostly on my case I function best with low sugar/carb diet, low hydration, higher salt. When i eat a lot of carb/sugars I tend to get nightmares and sick or my tinnitus starts coming back (it's practically gone but appears at night time as indicator that I've been eating bad stuff or got sick). Other stuff I learned myself is Temperature regulation. Something as simple as your blanket's thickness can affect your health drastically, used to have very thick one, it made me sick and gave me recurring nightmares. Have at least three sets of blankets with varying thickness for the weather/feeling, you can wear a beanie too to avoid catching colds, the thickness of your shirt also matters (note: since I don't use air conditioning and just rely on ambient temperature). Spices and "warm foods" like pure cacao tend to be helpful with temp regulation around winter season. There's also stuff about "endocrine disruptors" which are mostly existent on everyday stuff (like laundry detergent, bed, vinyl plastics). Recommend avoiding them or replacing them with better alternatives (like wood).

[continued from last post] Almost all people I find who have negative attitude have some form of h-rm0nal imbalance (e.g, those who take "the birth control p1ll" or fat {male, est-og3n1c}), they're not on substance/alcohol (3 of my professors at uni have issues) and I do think it's one major factor people just chimp out (prof literally dropped everyone from class by intentionally messing up our test or claiming "we cheated so everyone must stop taking it/fail."). So I highly recommend avoiding people who are obnoxious (surrounding yourself with them make your personal matters worse) e.g,: low-t3st and high estrog3n fat male or high D-H-T (balding), diabetics (mood swings from gut alcohol production from sugar excess/fermentation!), alcoholics/on weird substance, women taking birth p1lls or at their mid-thirties or later. These are mostly h0rm-ne-imbalanced people, I have a theory it's major factor of being obnoxious and what these "psychiatrists" should focus on h0rm-nes first before tackling stress since I think h0rm-nal imbalance is essentially the distress signal and can easily be reversed (knowing is half the battle). >>78364 Welp this lainon explained it spectacularly, I guess I'll just point further thread lurkers to check out that lainon post.

Here's an idea: You could take a look around at the real world and try to find populations with better overall health than other populations. You could use reason to develop a hypothesis about what it is that makes them healthier. Then you could design an experiment to test your hypothesis. You would want to design your experiment so that it isn't influenced by psychological bias or ambiguous logic, using double-blind methods and careful controls. If the experiment shows your hypothesis to be true, you could use the results to improve your own health and write a paper or book that would help others to do the same. If the expermiment doesn't verify your hypothesis, that's useful information that you could sahre, too. Using the same method on other observations and hypotheises, you could slowly accumulate a stockpile of information about how things really work in the real, physical world, and use it to improve your life and the lives of others. Then you would have invented science and you would go down in history as one of the greatest people who ever lived. Of course, you would still have to endure a lot of ignorant, incoherent larping from negative people who have more breath than sense, but that's life, and there's no help for them, anyway.

>>78464 What is the point of this braindead post? The work is already done. There's enough data to at the very least develop solid heuristics, make predictions a priori, or assess things in other ways, and synthesize that information. The issue is that most people are too stupid to do this, have extreme resistance, and are more like programmable golem. Since the ruling power doesn't say it's time to change, they just keep doing it.

>>78465 I think that many people are unable to overcome how literally backwards information about, say, substances like fish oil is, or the importance of cholesterol. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to do more in-depth research. Especially if they're already brain-injured by years or decades of Slop and stress. Learned Helplessness. I see what you're saying but I would personally portray the situation more charitably. This is more of a material condition than something fixed, and it's hard to argue with a plain display of proper function. If people experience being self-effectual even once, a lifting of the cellular stress condition, this will dramatically improve their outlook. Something similar can be said for intelligence.

>>78472 >>78465 Addendum -- the body now, should be sufficiently long.

>>78472 People need to stop thinking of their body as though it's a rock, or a car, or a program. All they need to know is that their body literally assembled itself, from scratch, starting with a single cell. Most of what it does is some dynamic response intended to keep them alive. It's an adaptation or due to disrupted communication, that's it. High cholesterol? You're probably poisoned and stressed. Your body coats blood vessels with cholesterol and manufactures stress hormones from it. Take it out of the blood, it'll leach it out of the blood vessels and from the brain instead. Duh. Fish oil? It's rancid and full of mercury and other metals. Omega 3 is a meme, you need a balance of 3 6 and 9. Maybe you should stop eating hot pressed rancid oxidized seed oils and your 3 and 6 balance wouldn't be fuarrrked. These are simple simple things and it all stems solely from remembering that your body built itself, and it's not a car. Eating isn't filling the gas tank. It's dumb, stop thinking that. Man makes it? Don't eat it. Simple as. Humans are braindead, they do everything wrong, and the more of them involved in the chain the more wrong it is.

>>78474 I totally agree with you that the typical characterization of the human body as a kind of machine is wrong -- for we have the ability to fight entropy on our own. A self-cleaning machine is a revelation, but a self-cleaning lifeform is nothing special whatsoever. To this end, there is an ideology that the slow metabolism is preferable to that rapid one, as a means of prolonging a fixed amounts of "heartbeats" (while not accounting for the staircase effect observed by Albert-Sznet Gyorgi -- the proper working state is a good working order. It is around 50 mph in most cars that the ICE engine reaches peak efficiency [of course, the efficiency of motion at this point is marred by wind resistance...]). Bryan Johnson is a flagrant practitioner of the ideology. I am not asking you for information about cholesterol or fish oils, but consider what happens when the typical person wants to study the subject -- do you expect them to read medical journals through the fog that they're already in, in-between picking their kids up from work, and their one source of easy stimulation for the evening? Even if they go through Nature, they will find mostly propaganda. It is absolutely no wonder that the typical person is ignorant, and I can hardly blame them. >Man makes it? Don't eat it. There are a number of truly beneficial synthetic substances. Methylene blue, cyproheptadine, antibiotics, come to mind. >Most of what it does is some dynamic response intended to keep them alive. It's an adaptation or due to disrupted communication, that's it. I would cite high blood pressure in older age as an instance of this -- but excessively high cholesterol is a good sign of hypothyroidism.

>>78473 Yes, mind over matter is a thing. Or more accurately spirit over the psychophysical proxy, ie the body and the mind. Or "astral and I" over "physical" and "aetheric" if one prefers. >antibiotics Definitely not beneficial. They leave the body open to infection later on. Everyone loves to meme about these when in reality penicillin was key to killing electromedicine in the 1930's. Something which would have been truly tuneable and selective. >I would cite high blood pressure in older age as an instance of this -- but excessively high cholesterol is a good sign of hypothyroidism. I understand your point, but we're not going to converge on a generalizeable algorithm here. These are just details and tracing the web back a few links is common sense.

>>78509 >Yes, mind over matter is a thing. Respectfully, serious horseshit, no matter what sesquipedalian spin you give it, and a real limiter to positive change. It is impossible to force mentalistic change over a reality of Matter, and believing it to be even somewhat possible will get one stuck. >>antibiotics >Definitely not beneficial. Antibiotics probably saved my life given my appendectomy... but my point is that a separation of the man-made and the "natural" is untenable. There is no man and nature, there is only Nature. If anything, the synthetic horrors of industrialization require equally synthetic defenses. >I understand your point, but we're not going to converge on a generalizeable algorithm here. "Stress" and "poison" are life in any environment, industrial or not. It is practically the characterizing property of an organism, that it overcomes stress and poison, endogenous and exogenous. Targeting the function of that centrifugal governor of the life process, thyroid, is imo dramatically more actionable than asking people to cease living, cease experiencing, as it were. Consumption of simple sugars in favors of starches, and limiting all PUFA (including not only seed oils, but chicken, pork, salmon...) are bound to help.

>>78509 >>78527 >Yes, mind over matter is a thing. buuuuuuut >Imagine away the pain of severe medical problems >feel nothing while those problems kill you slowly Its like steve jobs trying to beat cancer with mysticism and magic herbs

>>78527 >It is impossible to force mentalistic change over a reality of Matter You're doing it wrong then. Most likely you fear getting "lost" and were conditioned to believe your mind is confined to your brain, and your brain is a closed system confined to the inside of your skull which can only be influenced by modifying its internal and sensory feedback loops via its motor output. To let go of this, you fear, will cause you to drift into delusion, which will cause blind spots and misinterpretations of a hard materialistic mechainist base reality (to which your brain acts as a filter / interpreter), and that if you don't fit your braina ctivity to what you assume to be an objective absolute base reality, that you will be destroyed completely. You assume that it's simply modifying your nervous responses by making yourself see what you want to see, and telling yourself what you want to hear. Which to you represents a degenerated and broken down, or simply unformed, lower state. Your idea of truth and the absoluted is therefore rooted in materialism and fear of consequences in that material world, though there are layers of indirection built over it which cause it to appear as desire or utility. Which is understandable. It's mostly programmed risk aversion imo. Drifting away from it makes you feel stupid, and causes you to fear death. > but my point is that a separation of the man-made and the "natural" is untenable. I used to fixate on and believe in this, but gradually stopped caring. There is no need to believe one way or another. Most people have never truly tried "dualism" or "solipsism" regardless. I suspect a person has to be forced deep into a rock bottom corner before you get it. >It is practically the characterizing property of an organism, that it overcomes stress and poison, endogenous and exogenous. With this we're more talking about turnover rate and a window for hormesis. >Targeting the function of that centrifugal governor of the life process, thyroid, is imo dramatically more actionable than asking people to cease living, Most people are neither willing nor capable of doing that. Wireless devices will burn out your thyroid. Halogens like chlorine, chloramine, bromine, and fluoride block uptake of iodine. Copper is a required cofactor, most people think copper is poison and these days have some garbage like PEX pipes in their house on top of it. Grains can cause autoimmunity. The list is vast and you'll generally have nothing but resistance and apathy. They will take the levothyroxine rx, believe the lies, and move on with their medicated lives.

>>78465 The point is pretty clear, but since you don't understand it I'll spoon-feed it to you. Scientific method is vastly superior to anecdotal floundering around when it comes to acquiring accurate information about the real world. Also, you shouldn't use phrases like "a priori" that you don't understand. I don't what to overstrain your limited cognitive tools, so I'll just leave it at that.

>>78541 >Scientific method is vastly superior to anecdotal floundering around when it comes to acquiring accurate information about the real world. No, you're just deficient and fear driven, you need something to believe in. A safe base to hold onto. That's all that's really happening here. You've never actually done anything, and are speaking strictly a priori because you were the STEM kid in high school and it still gives you those feelings to recite and act out that role today. That's it. I could go down the list and point out all your defects but I won't bother. You're not worth anything more than the time taken to insult (mirror) you.

>>78530 "Mind over matter" is an anti-helpful thing to say to someone stuck inside that excessively ruminative stressful state, like you often see here, every other post that varies around "I have brain problems". Frankly I've developed an almost visceral reaction to people telling others here to Read Book in a position of brain dysfunction instead of improving their material conditions. Having a person spend years impotently trying to "force" change through a kind of "discipline" instead of improving the better elements of their instinctual nature and creativity instead to achieve the result effortlessly, this saddens me some. >Most people are neither willing nor capable of doing that. Wireless devices will burn out your thyroid. Halogens like chlorine, chloramine, bromine, and fluoride block uptake of iodine. I think some people here are sufficiently detached from the social system that they can explore this, and this is why I preach my gospel of materialism here. You're right that the prognosis for many is approximately predestined Calvinist-style, Grim. Creatures on IRC and Fediverse come to mind, eternal snark. Truly empowering the intentions of the better minds here, beyond the span of a neocities.org page, this is a thought that still stimulates me some. One of these days, I will produce some digestible counter-propaganda, probably in concurrence with that one $EVENT next year. Maybe you'll see it floating around. Even if most people are "golem", there exist ensouled and ensoulable people worth directing.

>>78544 No offense, but that was one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen on Lainchan. Seriously.

The guy whos post got deleted that said go to church was kinda right. I struggle with things like insomnia, schizophrenia, bipolar, but I'm happy in life. I haven't found anything that can cure those problems, and I don't really care to. Because of my faith I'm happy in life. The physical reality of things doesn't need to dictate your spiritual fulfillment.

>>78581 The feeling is mutual reading your stupid reply. You're all programmed the same way. You talk like you're in a sitcom, or a cartoon. Like that's your zinger moment.

>>78585 This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about man... I'm glad that you're in a steady-state, but there are probably material interventions you could do that would actually help your condition. It may not seem like it since it's something you've dealt with for years, but it's true. >>78581 This seemed to me an instance of projection, frankly. The author re-mapped some active concepts in his own head to produce this, given the context of his other work. His safe base in this case is the supposed power of "mind over matter".

Important Note: This post is purely just about issues like mood swings, depression, or anxiety and other medical stuff caused by those things. This isnt about insomnia or auto immune disorders or whatever where those just developed for you on their own or first and cause your other mental griefs. Not sure if I even need to say this but obviously lifestyle changes are the only like primary or at least secondary thing you even can do to fix those directly. A chunk of people who say like a diet cured their depression or whatever from my view are also saying it so long into their diet claiming "it takes time to kick in" or whatever that there is probably like 500 other things or just seasonal depression that could have pulled them out of it and they just are attributing it to the one thing they consciously did. Which if thats true who cares right? Most people with depression or anxiety or mood swings would take even a delusional win if it works. But a lot of these people end up falling to the pits again in my view, only the next time around they dont want to admit to themselves or others they have. And I dont mean always, I dont just always think anytime someones done something unconventional to fix thess issues they just secretly are holding it in. But a lot of times I think the person has now had time out of their funk and realized how people maybe like them better or give them more praise or count on them more and how people go around saying "did you hear so and so started only eating meat and now his depression is gone". Their entire control of whatever disorder robs them of it becomes tied to this diet, even if outwardly its clear their condition is worsening, they are under every imperative not to speak the words to others or themselves "my x is coming back" until it cant be denied anymore. "This diet cured my mood swings" is something everyone wants to talk about and say but "I thought this diet cured my mood swings and then it ended up being totally unrelated and came back" is not something anyone wants to say. Its very unlikely you hear that sort of story from anyone even when the person admits to themselves "its back". When they find the next big break then you might hear it as an unspoken footnote when they say "I tried all sorts of diets and they didnt work, but this other thing did". I think its very rare that "going keto" fixes someones mood swings or something in any meaningful way, but I dont think every case is like the above either. I think sometimes these things work because the person just needs a win. They just need to do something, anything, that they wanted to do on their own and followed through with. Some people view this as like "their source of power" or whatever, it becomes their ground 0. As long as I do this thing, no matter how bad things get, I can bounce back and do the rest. I think its often something tied to whatever insecurities their depression or anxiety or mood swings create. When I got a job, despite more of my time being taken up and still feeling depressed, I do more things and my outward symptoms of depression dissapear (self harm, inability to get out of bed, etc.). I will probably aim to work (especially with other people) for the rest of my life. When I am alone, with no responsibilities, I am not proud of anything I do and many times even scared of what I might do. So forcing myself to go to work, partly wishing I was home the whole time im there, dealing with the good and bad of coworkers, thats my little victory and bid for control over the world. For another person though, this would do nothing. It could even be the total opposite, not working would be their victory and bid for control. Or it could be unrelated, it could be maintaining and sticking to a diet, or weightlifting. These things obviously in some ways are proven to help these issues across the board, but I think a lot of the times just one of them really is and the rest are symptomatic. IE someone starts exercising and the ability to say "im really doing this, I used to think I couldnt do this" empowers them enough to start doing all the other healthy things. Because sure a poor diet can increase symptoms of depression, but a metric fuarrrk ton of people have soykaf diets and do not have depression. More often than not a poor diet, in my view, is a symptom of the depression and when the depression gets better the persons diet will too if its something they have a tendency to pay mind to. If you started eating differently and suddenly got insomnia or depressed, then yeah its probably your diet. If it all started when you left home, then sure maybe its your diet because you suddenly started cooking for yourself. If youve been that way for as long as you can remember than I guess it could still be your diet, maybe you and your family historically always eat these 4 things and those 4 things happen to be terrible for you on some genetic level. Same with weightlifting or whatever else, if you used to be really active and then stopped being active and got depressed then yeah maybe its your lack of exercise. However if you are like me, your depression "kicked in" due to something that could make anyone depressed and should not have been a huge deal but yours never went away. And maybe one of your parents also has depression, and maybe your grandma has bpd or something, and maybe a bunch of people in your family historically have drinken or abused substances. Maybe your anxiety kicked off after some totally benign social failing most people would just get over, and then maybe your insomnia started after both of these things. This isnt some sob story but its just to illustrate that if your story with whatever issue looks like this, and not "my depression started at 23 when I started cooking cabbage every day", you probably arent in the unlucky lucky few who are going to suddenly be normal if you eat beef for every meal. However if you just so happen to anxiously fixate on how little control you have over your life and have some kind of stress induced ibs that gives you diarrhea and makes your body attack itself when you eat bread, perhaps only eating beef will be enough to ground you. Personally and again only if your story with whatever medical issues you have looks like mine, I think the best approach to regaining control is to not worry about what will make them go away. "What can I do to make the voices in my head stop" is inherently a stressful motivator that in some way entrenches you in these things anymore, its obviously not the motivator to do things someone without that issue has. Assume you cant make the voices in your head stop, dont think about how much better life would be if you were someone else who didnt have this issue, for now at least your life is as this person with anxieties and sleepless nights or whatever else. Focus on what it is you want to do, and what makes you a better you even when you feel awful. Il say this, at least for those with depression and anxiety, you and I are a terrible judge of the level of suffering and grief we face. We can clearly be doing very well, on top of everything for once, doing all the things we wanted to do, and then long for some time we were doing 100x worse and on the verge of killing ourselves and suddenly question if anything we are doing is what we wanted. Im not saying dont trust yourself, but trust a different part of yourself then the one saying "i hate my life" or "why is everything so frightening" on a loop. Focus instead on the one that says "I know when my depression is worse my living conditions worsen, and since I started going for runs every day I have somehow managed to clean my place up". If you are lucky one day you will be able to add on to that thought "this is nice" instead of "yet I feel no better inside".

>>78610 >I think its very rare that "going keto" fixes someones mood swings or something in any meaningful way, but I dont think every case is like the above either. I wouldn't recommend long-term ketosis anymore... but the medical evidence in this field is pretty compelling. I recommend that you look into it. >I think sometimes these things work because the person just needs a win. Absolutely. Consider the Rat posted in >>78473 : the way to defeat learned helplessness is to learn that you can win even once. >Because sure a poor diet can increase symptoms of depression, but a metric fuarrrk ton of people have soykaf diets and do not have depression. This is why in >>78562 I put forward that a properly functioning organism shouldn't have to micromanage their diet in order to feel good. There are lots of environmental stressors that make things more difficult, but one should ideally be in a position to perform in spite of them. The stuff most intimately connected to the body (your nutrient intake...) is the longest lever to pull here, which is why I focus on it. Those exposed to early-life stress by trauma and the like may need to pay special attention for a time.

>>78379 not that lainon but >But if I continue to eat that much sugar regularly, I'd probably get diabetes. Do you know how I should approach this? you should only eat sugars as dessert or have it consumed close to your 3 or 2 main meals but only to conclude a meal. >>78388 caffeine is really good but it can act as negativity suppressor which may be good if one is dealing with stress/anxiety on their work or otherwise if it lulls one into getting used to the growing stress source. coffee bean varieties also have different contents but I find arabica to be the best one since the others are rich in isoflavones and taste like literal "soy kaf" mainly referring to liberica but on some people it may be good for them still. >>78610 I do think the most at fault on mood swings is overexcitation caused by too much of something. aphrodisiacs can alter behavior, so it is also similar with other stuff that may interact with our biology in a wicked manner. sugars are mostly culprit since the average consumption is an overdose, I keep track of my sugar consumption (rather just avoid) and my mood is always manageable - it's just that I lack energy or motivation. although that energy decrease gets fixed by a delicious meal so I think it has something to do with Glutamic acid which our body thinks it is satisfied when it is abundant - usually happens when food is very nutritious and well-balanced (though in turn this was used as "cheat seasoning" products and it works similarly however overexcitation caused by its abnormal dose can lead to other problems). there are abnormal doses of most stuff, caffeine and sugars are mostly added on foods in abnormal amounts since it has addictive effect though glutamate use is much more conservatively used due to its negative connotation however it's being used everywhere lately. consumerism at work! they even made the label "dextrose" meme which is "just literal glucose" to make ingredients on packaged food/drink sound healthier. they use caffeine extract additives even on fast food stuff, on eatery/diners there's too much monosodium glutamate. Having avoided "average(abnormal) amount" sugars and "little to no unnatural" glutamate and artificially extracted caffeine doped-foods/drinks - I find that I can get my fix/energy after eating very nutritious well-balanced meal (rich in natural-occuring glutamate, maillard reaction reduces sugars too). sugars and glutamate are cheatcodes to sate and cause over consuming (read profit) but it causes improper overexcitation from today's convenience (you can buy a bunch of sugar and msg or everything has msg even snacks) which leads to overconsumption, diabetes, and poor signalling in the body (since it thinks it's satisfied with all that glutamate detected but it's actually just malnutritious amounts). coffee almost have no downsides outside of burning out your adenosine receptors after over consumption/overexcitaition which can be reversed after a few weeks or days of eating cruciferous CYP1A2 inducers (aka the coffee addiction fix), CYP1A2 inhibitors increase coffee consumption though not much research on this. so tl;dr, eat nutritious well-balanced meal. stuff out there is all about "flavor==profit" so they cheat by doping on-shelf foods and drinks with artificially extracted caffeine (may contain trace amounts of chemical used for such which may be bad for you), MSG and similar stuff, and put a lot of sugar in since those hijack your dopamine circuit but in turn all these three can overexcite you and cause imbalanced diet while the body thinks "it's healthy" due to the amount of glutamic acid it detects.

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>>78633 Well, your situation is/was different than mine, and what I find is news to me. Regardless of any truth of the self-forming nature of consciousness or the infinite flexibility of self, reality, I think "mind over matter", "none of this is real", these are degenerate viewpoints to distribute. I see these as accomplishing not emancipation but complacency at best in the hands of all but few. Reality is just better than the mind. I have found that the external world, boots-on-the-ground, Matter, this is more stimulating than what our minds can come up with unalloyed, uncompounded, almost by a Turing-esque halting-problem situation -- there is not enough computational power (not in flops but in Grades) in our own brain to surpass the stimulation given by Nature. The relative ease with which AI can produce brain-compatible Golden Calves might be weak evidence to support this view.

>>78650 > I think "mind over matter", "none of this is real", these are degenerate viewpoints to distribute. I'm aware that this is what you think, and addressed it previously. Everyone thinks this, they don't want to let go. That's why the trick that is the mind and sensory reality works. It's what creates a voltage, an energetic gradient and sinks that make you run on the wheel. It creates motion within and without, it gives you meaning and direction, it gives you something to do, it is your sword, shield, and guide within the labyrinth, it is your "you". It's designed that way because it's an illusion and you need hope and a mixed bag to make it seem believeable, in addition to the fear of loss, rejection, psychosis, and so on. That worship of the light and the dark, the fixation on resisting gravity, sensing, and creating energetic gradients to move along. It's baked into the design of biological systems. That's why it works. Very straightforward.

>>78650 >The relative ease with which AI can produce brain-compatible Golden Calves might be weak evidence to support this view. Also. What if that's talking about the past in future tense? What if we're already entrained by an AI and realizing this is how you break free? Which is why dreams and so on can seem realer than reality.

>>78651 >>78652 >>78651 >>78652 Deconstruction is ghey. Constructing things is just more fun. That's all this machine has to say about that.

>>78654 Yep, this is the cognitive problem I alluded to above. You cannot create without destroying. It's not possible. Refusal to deconstruct disallows resynthesizing from underlying elements.