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I went on a walk and realized something terrible. Youth is priceless and everyone is wasting it. Life is about running around in the sunlight, chatting with friends, playing games together, laughing, loving, adoring music. Old people take walks at sunrise because it reminds them of youth -- an infinite spring, an eternal beginning. My town is filled with old people, and I am deeply scared of becoming one of them, struggling to walk a few meters, looking blankly at the trees. Age is an insult to life. Goethe published Werther when he was 25, and this book is the perfect summary of youth, which is the culmination of life. I'm 25 myself, and youth is almost over. Realizing what I'm going to lose feels like death. Is there any hope for life after youth? Is it not just a pale shadow of its former glory? Cicero said age is nothing to fear, but I wasn't convinced. What hope is there?

>>78097 >werther >tf lost gf book >causes a generation of romanticists to suicide the OG ntr writer On topic going senile is a lifestyle decision. If you eat well, train, etc. you can go to 40 retaining your fitness. At 60 you will lose to time but still can be more fit than lazy 30 old men. YT is full of elderly videos who are active doing hard manual labor. Its a choice how you want to end up but it takes commitment and willingness to pay the hours into retaining your health.

>>78102 Werther never had a chance with the girl in the first place. In traditional Romance stories like Medieval chivalry, the lady is always married or engaged, and it usually ends in tragedy. Kinda NTR but not that much >At 60 you will lose to time but still can be more fit than lazy 30 old men. I don't know man. The wired is filled with so many weird ideas about aging. Like every man thinks he'll look like Brad Pitt or Madds Mikkelsen at 50, still extremely handsome, even though it comes down to luck & the vast majority of men are fated to age poorly. Everyone thinks they'll be the rare exception, no one is prepared to become a frail, bald guy who takes 2 minutes to stand up. If 90% of guys from our grandparents' generation turned out like this, why would we turn out different?

>>78103 The idea i had in mind are the native people, farmers, etc. Folks that lived a hard life and cant stop working and they continue working the fields at 60 because they starve if they dont. Granny in mountains pushing fire wood on her back at 65 because without it she has no fire and no heat could be lethal. There is also a ceo in usa who started breakdancing at 60 and got even into world tournament. I think given modern circumstances you could easily stay fit a long time but the real hurdle is willingness to commit and do what it takes. Like i train but i eat dirty knowing its bad. Personal idiocy is the biggest threat.

>>78097 I'm considerably younger than you, and I also had those fears, but recently I've thought a bit differently of them, just reading Russian literature and seeing how they spoke of life, and what they would do as they grew older into their thirties and forties, made me figure that life isn't really over at those ages. Most of the greatest minds make their biggest accomplishments later into their lives. Particularly if you take care of your body you'll be better off. Not to say you should be physically inactive now. People nowadays just do whatever they want in order to numb their minds so they don't see the meaninglessness of life. You can "go outside", but there's never anybody out there. I used to do all kinds of stuff, biking 80 miles in a day to go sneak into military bases and stuff, never met anyone along the way, that kind of stuff just doesn't happen anymore, everyone has jacked into Big Tech's numbing network. And they're all boring as fuarrrk anyway. Depending on what you want after youth, life will perhaps have meaning or not. If you're concerned with losing intelligence, the ability to write and research, and express yourself intellectually, that shouldn't be a concern. If you're concerned physically, there's just nothing you can do, nature will make your body slow down, in terms of physical strength, stamina, libido, it's gonna happen, even if you work out every day. But that doesn't mean you can't be physically fit when you're old, you just won't be as fit as you once were.

>>78105 Depends on who you're talking about. Some writers like Dostoevsky produce their masterpiece in old age. Most of them do it in their 30's or 40's. My favorite book was published when the author was 42 years old. He definitely peaked here, and it would be a tragedy if he died before then. But most people are done living by 40, even 30. My own sister was the funniest and most interesting around age 16. When Byron died at age 36 in Greece, it was right for him. For some men like Plato, old age is beautiful. But for most of us it is degrading, it makes us ugly and twisted, we had better let go sooner. I have seen all my heroes ruined by time -- especially the artists. MGMT released a new album and it feels so empty, so dispirited. That long, slow decline is not a sign of life, but a hallmark of death. Ennui is death's claw on your shoulder. Perhaps I'm just a Romantic. I'd rather die for love of life than see it decay, suffer and jerk forward like a crippled animal.

>>78097 I am terrified of growing old. Almost every elderly person I've encountered in my life has been slow, frail and oftentimes unable to carry out even the most basic tasks without assistance. Don't even get me started on how aging affected them mentally. Even my own grandparents spend most days laying in bed or on the couch and have to rely on others to do things for them. Is that really what life amounts to: living long enough to see your body and mind wither away until you die? I'd rather just die.

>>78108 I remember playing Kingdom Hearts as a kid and this question popped up. Back then none of the choices seemed scary. Now it's so different

>>78097 For me it was when I realized I will never have sex with a 16 year old girl again ike when I was young myself. Even if I chased like 20 year olds it would be taboo. I'm supposed to date like 28 year old hags and single moms. I almost broke into tears when it hit me.

>>78131 You cry but you could just legally do it and not advertise it to people you know. You'd be surprised how common it is

>>78097 Life after youth is bad if you look from youth lens. But it's good if you consider stability, wealth and children. I don't agree with your attempt to define life with frivolous things.

>>78138 36 year old "millenial". personal life becomes more unstable every year and still no wealth and childless despite being the most educated and most physically fit individual as far as I can trace back family history. I'm also objectively the poorest individual compared. My grandfather survived world war 2 and build a farm on his own land afterwards at my age. My parents had each other, a huge social circle, a home, a family, a car, multiple vacations a year, went out for dinner, livd in a stable environment at my age. For some strange reason everything I build up scrumbles to soykaf after a few years and I have to start all over again. Friends leave, spouse leaves, work changes. I'm tired of starting all over again every couple of years.

I was locked away my entire youth against my will. Never had a chance. Now Im in my late 20s. a virgin. I have no personality at all or things I like to do. I cant find anyone who wants to be with me because Im just unlovable. I missed every positive aspect of life. I just want to meet a girl move out somewhere and have a kid. Thats my big goal in life. And its literally impossible. I dont care about money I dont care about owning nice things I just dont care. I dont care about owning a house. I dont care. I just cant do anything........... WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO everyday i just get uglier and nobody understands or knows what ive been through or how i feel I feel so fuarrrking hollow and empty. I dont think I have a soul. I cant distinguish myself from anything at all. I know why nobody would want to be with me, but nothing I do sticks. I cant improve that part of me. Not after everything thats happened.

Having the wisdom of age is a whole different than being young, and you can really apricate small things in ways you will not have been able to when you are young. Sun light still feels good, food tastes better. It isn't bad.

>>78146 its horrible. i already had all those things while young. and i had even more. i dont get this perspective. i never did not appreciate small things. but now that im old the things i can appreciate are even less.

Its terrifying and disturbing, each generation steals the life energy of the following. We are forced to work until we are no longer fit to do so and left to die in horrible agony. If you are (un)lucky you are perimitted to produce more meat for the grinder. We are used almost like batteries in the matrix and have our life force dained of use to empower a crushing death machine. Life has become death, those satanist motherfuckers pulled it off. Our souls have been condemned to hell to fuel it.

>>78102 >On topic going senile is a lifestyle decision. If you eat well, train, etc. you can go to 40 retaining your fitness. At 60 you will lose to time but still can be more fit than lazy 30 old men yeah but the argument goes that the people around you will settle down and finding people to hang around gets harder as you age >>78142 I am the same as you. Experiences shape you and give you a personality. You can still change probably change if you really try to get out there. By this I mean you take any opportunity. Volunteer, travel, force yourself to speak to other people, take up new things and so on. I wont do any of this though because I'm weirdly content with my soulless being since I know no better >>78147 > i never did not appreciate small things. but now that im old the things i can appreciate are even less. thats a (you) issue. Mostly people are the opposite. You can probably change this as goes for most things in life >>78149 >Its terrifying and disturbing, each generation steals the life energy of the following. This is pure cope. I do agree that the whole system is inhumane and contemporary work culture is slavery

>>78097 >Life is about running around in the sunlight, chatting with friends, playing games together, laughing, loving, adoring music. You fell for the live, laugh, love meme. Life is about experiencing and accomplishing what you want, what is meaningful to you. You can't be and do everything at once, so you'll always feel a void. this is what creates the voltage gradient that makes you move. If you frollicked in the flowers listening to music and picnicing with some qt, then later you will regret not having done some other thing which could ONLY truly and genuinely exist in that particular window and frame of life. There are many things like this.

>>78097 >Is there any hope for life after youth? Also no, not generally anyway. The fact is our lives are run on a hardwired biological script. Change isn't optional in body or mind. So if the "spirit" fails to do what it was supposed to, then the mind and body will move on to the next frame of life anyway, whether or not you have or did what was needed. And then those past versions of you will become crystallized, frozen in time, eternally unfulfilled. That's the real issue. If you didn't experience teenage love or whatever, that's gone. If you think you wasted your 20's, that's gone. It's just gone. You may not have any basis to be 30+ and yet you are, and you feel it as well. This is apart from social feedback loops and reflections cast by the world, something just changes. It's hardwired. Most people are just engaged and doing enough that their mind confabulates a narrative about how they got from A to B, but fact is, it was simply hardwired and preordained. It would have happened no matter what they did or did not do. You can override this with the will, to an extent. But you can't truly go back. The parts of you frozen at those other ages can probably be "healed", or integrated, or soothed, or whatever. Couldn't tell ya. Their unmet needs and desires stack up though, eventually. That's a sharp voltage gradient all its own. Turns your mind into a sort of capacitor.

>>78097 My discussion about existence with a chatbot https://www.file.io/vIsi/download/1YtNuPKQXICC . Enjoy the conversation :p

I have zero friends, and it's been this way for years. I also have no career, other than going to school part time and taking care of my mother. A big part of the reason I have no friends now is because I got pretty bad into heroin for a while. Some of my friends, my best friend included, died. For everyone else, I got a really bad taste in my mouth for them after I saw the way they treated/looked at me when I was a junkie. I have a lot of unresolved anger toward a lot of things. Back then, I had the drive to work manual labor jobs, either through temp agencies or whoever would hire me. Now, I just don't care. My plan was to find a new career, make new friends, and build up a new life for myself mostly sober (or at least not on H), then try and reconnect with my old friends. This was 4-5 years ago. I've done very little since then. I want to turn back time 10 years and do it all again. I'm not even 30 yet, but like you OP I feel that the "youth" era is gone. Even if I got my soykaf together, I would be well into my 30s by then. What's the fuarrrking point? I may as well try to get a WFH position doing something with computers because that's the only path I could see myself not blowing my fuarrrking brains out. I wanted to play in a rock band. I used to skateboard all the time. Now those things are fuarrrking embarassing, and I'm too self-conscious to do them, even though I know I shouldn't care. It's funny how things flip like that >>78131 I don't even try anymore. I had sex one time when I was 15 with a 16 year old girl and she wasn't even that hot, but now I fantasize about that night all the time. I wish I could go back and do it again. Then I didn't have sex again until I was 18, also with a 16 year old girl, I think (she lied about her age). After that I hooked up a handful of times with one night stand girls and had a fling, and that's been pretty much it for my sex life. I actually tried dating this overweight single mom I met on Tinder a while back, but after a little while I just couldn't pretend to care anymore, so I broke it off. She was nice, but I decided it's not my problem and I wasn't going to walk into the kid's life if I wasn't planning on staying. It's so bleak out here it's not even funny

>>78168 I have many memories like that as well. Not so much flat-out rejection, but "rejection" through apathy/not jumping on the opportunity. I think it's natural to feel that way. The fact of the matter is you're not "supposed" to be pursued by them, you're supposed to pursue them yourself. So maybe it wasn't meant to be

>>78161 "Jede Zeit ist eine Sphynx, die sich in den Abgrund stürzt, sobald man ihr Rätsel gelöst hat." Every time is a sphynx that plunges into the abyss as soon as you have solved its riddle.

>>78169 It just surprised me (though I should've and probably did see it coming), so my reflexive answer was no. At the core I associate change and connection of any kind with death, complete annihilation. So instead of trying to fix it I just wiped it from my mind and continued on. Later she started dating a friend of mind, which at times put me in a sort of peacemaker role (which I avoided). Symbolically I view it as the final stage of offering up my humanity as a sacrifice. And that's basically what happened. Prolonged journey to the underworld, through the riover Lethe, death and rebirth, and so on. With little to show for it... hard to say. Fearing finding myself back where I began... certainly. But again, it's a sacrifice. It was a long time ago, so there's no going back.

>>78107 >MGMT released a new album and it feels so empty, so dispirited I didn't even like LDA. Just a shallow ripoff of 80s goth music, but for some reason people think it's ok because it was intentional. The music it was parodying/paying homage to was a thousand times better

>>78173 Same. They peaked super hard with Congratulations

>>78160 > then later you will regret not having done some other thing which could ONLY truly and genuinely exist in that particular window and frame of life. This is the highest quality cope in this thread. It seems clear that there are a lot of experiences that fit anywhere in life (browsing twitter, writing books, doing politics at 15, 25, 35, 45, 55) and some that hit way harder in youth (kissing a blushing girl at 15, exploring a hobby with friends at 18, scheming mischief/business at 20)

>>78097 Don't you think obsessing about youth or ageing prevents you from living in the moment and having those happy experiences that young people have? Even if you're older, it still seems unhelpful to dwell on what can't be changed than to work on what can be changed in the present. It is indeed challenging when you have missed important developmental milestones. I should probably know this better than most imageboard users because of my atypical circumstances, but even so, I try to make concrete changes in the present so that I can make new memories so I can craft a new future. I feel like part of the reason my youth was wasted was because I was, in part, overly concerned with the "meta" of being young. If I could have lived in the moment, then I could have gotten to have those "youthful" experiences.

>>78192 > It seems clear that there are a lot of experiences that fit anywhere in life (browsing twitter, writing books, doing politics at 15, 25, 35, 45, 55) Your frame of lfie changes the manner in which you engage wth, perceive, and experience a particular matter. That's what I emant by that the body and mind change according to a hardwired biological script. The idea that your choices and outcomes cumulated into the "Core" change and basis for meaning, is largely an illusion.

Aside from knowing I can kill myself it makes me feel better some looking at old people who without plastic surgery were able to keep looking quite young and through exercise routines and in some cases hormone therapy are fitter than I am.

>>78097 it is so strange how people with no irl experiences idealize this soykaf >Life is about running around in the sunlight, chatting with friends, playing games together, laughing, loving, adoring music. according to who? I did all those things and it wasn't the big, transcendental moment you want it to be. in fact, it wasn't much different from talking to people on imageboards. get better fantasies jfk

>>78097 as a certified youth (18) representative who mostly seeks progress and to become older, I believe ruminating on time (and its resulting regret) is a pointless paradox -- a virtually endless stalemate to prevent yourself from taking new, scary steps; I always get the feeling that when older people lament their nostalgia for 'simpler' times, they're either ruminating on specific regretful decisions or forget the crushing pressure of Not Knowing that they had constantly been feeling unconsciously. Well, I feel it consciously, and there's nothing I wish for more than just structure and order over what I can't help but feel is meaninglessly playful chaos; and tomorrow, when I'll be older, I'm expecting that I won't wish for more than the opposite. It's a pointless ordeal, lain, it only perpetuates a sadomasochist cognito-incestuous process to distract and mislead you from what you *can* do right now, from what *can* still be done later on. ..except I'm into art things, so I just outsource my poetic brooding and anguish from this when needed

Correct, lain. Take a big bite outta life. I think having the overwhelming, powerful urge to do so is the defining feature of somebody that isn't depressed. >Is there any hope for life after youth? Is it not just a pale shadow of its former glory? Cicero said age is nothing to fear, but I wasn't convinced. What hope is there? Idk, I'm not afraid of getting old. I figure as long as I live life well enough as a young person, I won't have any regrets as an old person. I'm also 25. The one thing that you and me need to do right now, is start thinking about our health... my dad nearly died recently and I'm starting to think about my own mortality now. I don't want to be going into old age with tons of health problems from bad lifestyle choices. Do I always live up to that promise? No, I definitely have bad days. But I still have many good days too.

at 20 Im still in my youth, but lost my teens to depression in this year since it subsided, I've done everything to make up for lost time first kiss, sex, university, friend groups, parties, girls, substances, many firsts I am an impostor, I can pretend, but it's all self serving, I have little in common with them the happiness comes from knowing I won't look back on this time in the future and feel I missed out when I am nostalgic, I think about years ago logging on every day talking to my degen internet friends laughing, scheming, none of our lives too happy, countless hours playing the same soykafty games trying to forget about tomorrow the worst and the best or further back running around with the same few local children, nobody old enough to have anything to hide happiness doesn't come from sticking it in some drunk stranger it comes from connections being absolutely comfortable in someone's presense, knowing if nothing else you have each other hopefully I'll find my people

>>78108 completely different in my experience. My dad is 72 and every day he spends doing some yard work, or light farm work or discussing soil matters in agitated way with other old farm people. My mom is 63 and cooks every day then makes little art things for local church then goes tending her flowers or home-grown food. These people take as a badge of honour to always do something, believing likely they will drop dead a second they relax. I am much lazier and care less in comparison, i explain it to myself by being old incel, never appreciated for anything by women. I dont have own family so i am allowed to not care and be lazy

If you're sitting around worrying about: - getting older, - wasting your youth, - not doing what you think you should be doing, - dying one day, - etc... then you're stuck in a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom. Stop thinking about all that useless, negative crap and just do whatever the fuarrrk you want, guided by a little common sense about what is likely to keep you feeling good in the long run. Worrying about stuff you can't do anything about is about the stupidest waste of time there is.

>>83691 I don't even know what I want, man.

Age is irrelevant. Youthfulness is just mindset and the state of your physical health and your appearance that relates to it. Have a good skin care routine and eat healthy and take certain supplements and it should slow your aging.

>>83695 Possibly slow, but definitely will never stop. Young people need to work way less to have the same baseline level of health and they heal quicker from injuries. Youth is priceless, age is not just a number, live your life well. Quit posting on lainchan and all other forums.

>>83689 >completely different in my experience Agree. My grandma tends to her garden of flowers and fetches wood for the coming winter with my uncle. she still runs the heat with a wood stove. although with the rise in wood price and her wood reserve starting to dry up she is thinking to switch to electric heating. Father is in his 60s close to 70s and is still running a small amateur orchestra for a long time. My mother, being the least physically active of the family, is obsessing over her video games like stardew valley and working on her dream personal library. Cicero said age is nothing to fear because age does not mean you grow numb. You don't hit your 60/70s and start to wander like some lost joe. You don't just hit your 30s and suddenly your back wants to crumble every second. You don't grow old and loose the ability to comprehend mordern concepts like playing relatively abstract and virtual games. Ageing does not mean you lose what you had and most importantly, does not mean you loose your spirits. Don't give into despair. Embrace the rest of your life with the same youthful mindset you have.

Youth is where its at (for many). We play, we get older and dulled and more serious, and then supposedly we are supposed to rediscover something in the tossed out youth to light the flame again or so ive heard. When you make a post like this while maybe its depressing theres another angle where in some way you are doing exactly that last part. You are struggling against it, who knows what you will find. But you cant know if you dont live, and with living comes aging. I think its possible I or you dont ever find it again, maybe its all a lie or theres too many adult blocks to get back to it. But I dont think il be too upset if im 80 and die and thats the case, it will just be like ah damn, I tried. Its not really wasted years if the alternative was the years didnt happen at all. I will say I dont think the loss of youth is just because of the body and brain decomposing, I think even if we were immortal the years of living start to morph our expectations and the highs and lows get dulled. Its what allows people to act as adults at all, plan for things, not be impulsive, avoid temptations, speak more carefully etc. All of those double edged swords.

>>83741 old age is a mindset. think young, keep moving and minimize things going into your body known to fuarrrk up your cells (inflammatory nutrients/chemicals). when i went to church, the pastor's right hand dude was 70 with a beer belly, but he moved like he did when he was 30, because he never gave up cardio and had a strange love for brussel sprouts. he also had the luck of living on farms almost his entire life. i met a dude once on a train across the midwest who was 60, but still had the body of a 40 year old. granted, he was nomadic, homeless most of his life, and never learned to drive. most days every day was nothing but bicycling town to town. i asked to check out his ID because i couldn't believe the dude was 70. he was, assuming he doesn't have a twin, and the ID was real, though i'm not sure why you'd bother to get a fake ID with your photo claiming you're 70. my grandpa is one of the most decrepit guys i've seen in my life, suffering a life of fast food, tobacco of all forms, and trucking. despite that, because he surrounds himself with kids, "thinks young", and because he's stubborn as hell, he moves around almost totally fine despite late stage lung cancer and a hip that's probably in pieces by now. unfortunately, this came with a side effect of immaturity. disagreements with him are a hellish waste of time. nevertheless, he should have been dead or at least bed ridden years ago, so i'm using him as an example.

>>78103 Bro. Food. Grandparents had soykaf nutrition. And worse medical care. Guy before said "train". You dont rven have to go that hard. A mild 30 minute workout every day will have you set.

>>83862 My dad is the best cook I know, and he's also very active (used to ride his bike and surf regularly). He got cancer last year and he very nearly died of a heart attack this year. He's 67. Still going strong, but he's really had to slow down. I think past the age of about 55 you don't really get a choice, your body is going to fall apart.

great to see that a good chunk of this thread cares about looks I know where you came from yes man, do your "skincare routine" what could be worse than being bald let's worry about being old and frail (and old to you is 55 somehow, lol) at least save up this nonsense for when you're in your 30s, if you are and you're whining about this stuff then you have the life experience of a teen that grew up online, and it's too late to make up for that good luck

>>83888 I'm not worried about it, I just think it's important to recognize how transient the good times are.

>>83888 I'm in my 30s and completely still realise that nothing i do now can compare to something like young love or having genuine friends as a teenager, all experiencing things together for the first time. Youthful minds and bodies are completely different than 30 year olds, and so are 20 year olds different again. >if you are and you're whining about this stuff then you have the life experience of a teen that grew up online, and it's too late to make up for that so you agree then? you are confusing