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In situations where a worse fate awaits. The main gist was that suicide is the only right we really have. Somebody brought up a totalitarian system that employs torture and severe maltreatment and suggested suicide could be rational under such circumstances. I would like to have another thread on it because the idea of duicide being an "off button" that allows us to escape horryfing stuff life may throw at us. I, for one have held the belief that suicide is trully the only inalienable right, and pretty much agree 95%. The question that i asked in that thread will be the focal point of this one, so ill copy my comm Mainly, I eould like to discuss the PRACTICALITY of defending that right. How can we, as revolutionaries, ensure that no matter the circumstances it is always an option? Say they take you by surprise at the dead of and put you in a padded cell? What can be done before that happens to ensure one has an exit strategy? Is there an easily conceilable item that can be used or does ot not matter because all humans make mistakes including those at the concentration ?

We've had this convo before maybe even this thread. TLDR: Against a well equipped adversary who has you in captivity and is dead set on going to great expense to keep you alive, there is very little you can do. They can keep you tied down, drugged up, force fed and hydrated, and once you're in their hands and they know your suicidal ambitions, its basically over. That said, most taking of captives is done because they have a VALUE. So long as your perceived value is greater than the cost to keep you alive, its reasonable to keep you alive. You can either reduce your value, or raise the cost of your preservation, and thus change your situation. Your value is probably not so great that the enemy will put you on lifesupport with round the clock medical supervision, but if it is you should A) always keep a practical method to kill or gravely injure yourself on hand, one last handgun bullet for your own brain, and use it if the situation is hopeless, and B) not advertise your suicidal plans, appear as much as possible to keenly want to live, and if you ever should get captured, cooperate and wait until a good opportunity presents itself and then take it immediately.

>>77706 If the executive power can't catch you and the legislative system can't punish you then it's legal. Every crime is legal. Rape, slavery, murder, self or otherwise are legal the only thing forbidden is to be caught. Then you are punished. By the sole nature of right, successful suicide can not possibly be made illegal. And we don't have to defend it, the elites do it for us. In this postcapitalist pandemonium, death has become a commodity. Paid for by public money.

>>78447 if a doctor does it, its not suicide.

>>78447 Religion seems reasonably effective at making it "illegal", since people fear punishment in the afterlife at least as much as they fear punishment by the state. >>77706 >the PRACTICALITY of defending that right. How can we, as revolutionaries, ensure that no matter the circumstances it is always an option? If you're assuming a fight against an authoritarian state using torture, this is the wrong line of thinking. They want to make you afraid of living where they can't make you dead, but in the end probably want you all dead. Do you say to your fellow revolutionaries, "you deserve to not be uncomfortable, let's prepare to give the enemy what they ultimately want to preserve that comfort and temporarily inconvenience them in the very specific scenarios where that's applicable"? This is a confused message that runs directly counter to more sensible ideas, such as coming to terms with fear of life or death, because those fears will be abused to prevent you from acting on the world. Death will also prevent you from acting on the world. Does it matter whether you're comfortable or suffering or nonexistent if either way you have no agency? >the idea of duicide being an "off button" that allows us to escape horryfing stuff life may throw at us I don't see it doing any good to dwell on this sort of fantasy of escape. If you're dead and can't do anything and your friends and family will never see you again; you haven't escaped, you're confined in death. Face the horrors and react to them. >Say they take you by surprise at the dead of It probably won't be really that much of a surprise. Here's a fun Gulag Archipelago quote: >And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose

>How can we, as revolutionaries, ensure that no matter the circumstances it is always an option You can't