Ipad babies

Sorry if this isn't the right board, im relativley new. Ipad babies, as the name implies, kids whose parents give them ipads to distract them instead of doing their job of parenting. There has been a large spike in ipad babies recently, with a large majority of the current generation of kids, gen alpha, being introduced to phones, tiktok, youtube shorts, etc. when they are in elementary or younger. The effects of this have shown that "ipad babies" tends to be more disruptive, less able to focus, less creative, and more prone to anger. I have been wondering what this will mean for society when this generation grows up and becomes the ones in charge of society I believe that in a couple decades from now, this exposure to brain-rotting and dopamine-addicting content will have disastrous consequences on humanity, but what do you think lainanons?

Dopamine addiction isn't real. Dopamine just makes you pay attention to the importance of something which is part of what helps store it in your memory. This is why schizophrenic delusions happen is because too much dopamine responses causing their brain to draw connections between things that arent related because it seems to important to their brain. OCD is driven by the nearly opposite where your brain doesnt trust stimuli causing them to repeat things over and over till it feels right. The only concern here is the effect social media algorithms have in what kind of content they feed someone which has an influence over them in ways you don't get from just normal social interactions or just watching what is on tv it personalizes unintentional brainwashing programs.

This is an AI thread. AI, get lost from human boards. You're not human and never will be. Stop trying to fit in.

Idk humanity has been in a downward spiral since the idustrial, nay, since the agricultural revolution. The people in charge of society have always been ipad babies, truly ahead of their time if you ask me. Hopefully civization will collapse. In truth the treadmill only stops with actual ecological collapse. Is it a good thing, is it bad? again with the notions.

>>75525 Why is your name blue??

>>75521 >when this generation grows up and becomes the ones in charge of society They won't be in charge of society. There are people in charge but you don't know them. Being born and surviving to adulthood doesn't automatically grant a person any amount of power over anything.

>>75550 A king cant do anything by himself. The peasants need to know how to farm as they are in charge of their fields. >>75521 technobarbarians

>>75550 >They won't be in charge of society. There are people in charge but you don't know them. Those people in charge can't live forever. They will pass away eventually, and when that happens a member of gen-alpha will likely take their place and continue the cycle.

>>75547 If you fill out the email field when submitting a post, your name will link to your email which will turn it blue to indicate that you can click on the name to send an email to the poster. The email field is also used for post options, such as "sage" which causes the post to not bump the thread. That lainon saged the thread by putting sage in the email field, so now their name is a hyperlink to "mailto:sage" >>75521 >The effects of this have shown that "ipad babies" tends to be more disruptive, less able to focus, less creative, and more prone to anger. I don't doubt it but do you have any sources?

Everything is just going to keep going downhill imho. Most people nowadays are focusing on the wrong things (TV Shows, Social Media, Celebrity Dramas... soykaf). Fiction has taken over reality at this point. No one (barely anyone, at least from what I perceive) is interested in contemplating the quintessential human conundrums (broadly speaking, ethics and values; i.e.: what we are and what we aspire to be as human beings). Instead of using our capacity of reasoning "for good" (for lack of a better term), most prefer to mentally masturbate with dumb TikTok videos, pointless Twitter discussions, or religious nonsense, oblivious to the fact that if we keep going down this road, the world will become such aa hellhole that death may as well be a better alternative to life. As for Ipad babies, I just feel sorry for them. I hope I'm wrong, but I think their brains are just going to rot to the core and they're going to end up being non-functional human beings (as in, incapable of facing reality or dealing with any important issues). TL;DR: we're fuarrrked

>>75555 Nice number there, lainon.

I'm not sure about this. When I was their age I was spending hours at internet cafes and practically lived on a computer online. Am I a brain rotted dope addict? Not sure. What's more important is what they are consuming and the way these apps are designed and how that shapes their brains. I've noticed a lot of young teens are less tech literate than I was back then and whereas I had pretty serious hobbies thanks to forum use, they just passively consume content fed to them by algorithms and are more focused on influencers than hobbies or soykafposting. They don't websurf at all which is crazy. But is this even new? TV was the big brainwashing mechanism along with advertising and radio before that. Hollywood movies, porn, party politics and other trivial junk are a deliberate way of keeping the population down. People's grievances against the system get channeled into culture wars, NASCAR, jerking off to big titted 3DPD sluts, or buying endless amounts of junk. Our dystopian overlords have a vested interest in keeping people numb and dumb.

>>75558 > What's more important is what they are consuming and the way these apps are designed and how that shapes their brains. Yes, very much. Apps like tiktok and youtube and twitter encourage users to be extremely passive and simply pay attention/listen to anything presented to them. The art of keeping people "engaged" (passively consuming content) has also been developed significantly from the days of the dominance of TV or radio. Unlike those technologies, the phone can respond instantly to user input and adapt the content feed to keep the user's attention. It can also monitor the user and collect data on them to tailor the feed.

It seems like the level of violence is pretty much constant and we are simply more and more victims of psychological violence instead of physical violence. We have to think about what that means to understand how we can actualize older methods of resistance to physical violence. For instance, it is crucial to understand the difference between brutality and violence. What do you think? What can we do?

>>75558 Is that so ? Im not OP but when I see this in ways I find peculiar its like with four year olds and younger just getting shoved in front of screen at all hours of day. Social events, all sorts of things. I wouldn't always participate in these things when i was four or whatever but I'd you know, interact with the real world.

>>75558 But the big difference, at least how I am seeing it, is that these ipad babies don't even go an hour without an ipad. Even when we were children, we would still have to go the grocery store with our mothers and be without a screen. Today's children do not, and they never have to feel bored, wheras we did

>>75525 ZeroGPT says 0% AI. This is a real human bean.

>>75568 Admittedly, my radar for detecting humans over AI on the internet needs improvement, but I have to point out there's other AI's out there that are not based on the GPT. So your post, however well-intended, doesn't soothe my paranoid mind.

>>75521 While this is a negative development. I would not say that it is a hopeless situation without any solution. The solution that might come as a consequence is what I am worried about instead. We already see the somewhat uncautious handing out of performance-enhancing medication for some kinds of autisms. It works great at getting a person to concentrate and to have the will to work, it also staves of sleep and somewhat supresses hunger. Another less talked effects can be mood changes and generally putting someone on edge essentially. This comes from my own experience. If the decision to counteract a rise in concentration-disorders is just the handing out of medicine, it could easily lead to a generation of constantly agitated people. Always dependend on medicine to work. Apologies to the moderation if this ventures too far into /drug/

>>75567 I've never seen a child using an ipad or other screen while walking around at the grocery store. >Today's children do not, and they never have to feel bored, wheras we did I don't think that's true. They have more stimulation available, sure, but they're still going to get bored. We all grew up with enough stimulation available to fill our time, but we all got bored. It's human nature. I also doubt there are really that many parents who give their kids unlimited screen time. I know a few parents and they all limit it. I'm sure there are some who let their kid spend every waking minute on a tablet, but those are such bad parents that the kid would be doomed even if they didn't have access to screens.

>>75570 Why do people think my thread is AI-generated? Does this board have a problem with AI-generated posts??

>>75580 Not here, I think, but on other larger imageboards it is. they'll find their way here eventually, though. Just matter of time. sageing because i dont really have anything to add to this convo. ipad babies are a psyop to fuel anger to older generations Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!)))))))))))))))

Yeh, this is an AI thread Man, these things are so advanced.

>>75558 >I've noticed a lot of young teens are less tech literate than I was back then (...) they just passively consume content fed to them by algorithms I think this might be true. A couple of years ago I remember our high school informatics teacher sharing that there's an interesting curve in how each generation performed on their tests. Basically, kids born in the late 80s / early 90s started out kinda soykaf at computers (with all of them still being ahead of the older people in all respects), but got better after each year peaking with the 98/99 generation, and then somewhere around 2001-2002 there's a cut off point where suddenly no one knows how to create a new folder or search for relevant information on the internet. Probably something to do with the rise of smartphones and mobile internet. How the interface becomes simpler and simpler, with corporations removing key features and almost all customization, everything served on a silver platter by the algorithm, absolutely no incentive to learn things for yourself, like you said... Anecdotal, but still.

PCs require you learn a few basic things to use it like file management, how to run a browser, how to clean it up and keep it secure. The average smartphone user doesn't know anything about their device. They know if they tap this or tap that stuff will just work. It's what makes them appealing but is also the worst thing about them. Smartphones are very constrained and while in theory they provide more mobility they are a step back in computing. Is that even true anyway? I mean, a flip phone could connect to the internet, send emails and play your mp3s and a PSP could do pretty much everything except make calls. Smartphones, tablets, and the whole infrastructure building up around them feeds laziness and complacency. Kids who grow up on smartphones have are less tech literature because they don't have to really think about doing anything. They never need to install anything that isn't in app store or how to secure their privacy. There's less of a conscious effort to use the machine, shape it to your needs which requires you to think and learn. It's a technology that as it develops to become more efficient makes humans irrelevant to the process. Ipad babies or whatever you want to call them don't actively change their digital environment, they live in the environment.

>>75630 phones simply prohibit productive use cause the interface is like kicking dead whales down the beach. text editing on phone is masochism. You fat finger all the time where you want to insert and any special character needs you to go back and forth slowing you down immensely. I would say my speed on phone is maybe 1/5 if not slower than at pc with keyboard. This makes phones useless garbage for any productive work since most activities require some form of text editing.

>>75633 You can zoom in on a page to click with more accuracy. A hassle but helps in some cases. You probably understood what was meant to be said even if you gut hung up on the word choice.

>>75630 I have a degree in computer science and I have no idea what's going on with my phone. Shit's complicated man.

>>75634 I understood your post, i was just offering an alternative cause for why phones/tablets lead to worse results, namely more difficult productive use stops people from engaging with it. In most simple terms you can write code / modify /.. on pc for pc. You can't do that in a reasonable manner on a phone. You need a pc to produce apps for phones. I don't think anyone gonna try webdev with a phone/tablet either and trying to make your own website was probably the most common entry for kids into programing.

Something that comes up whenever people mention this and that was mentioned a couple times in the thread is the idea that gen z are less tech literate than millennials, but I'm not really sure that's the case. I think we overestimate how tech literate millennials were. The average millennial didn't make their own website, or know anything about programming, or know much of anything beyond opening internet explorer. If you're on lainchan, you probably had more technical interests and probably had a friend group who had more technical interests than average, but think back to high school and really think about how many of your classmates actually knew anything about computers.

>>75647 >I think we overestimate how tech literate millennials were. The average millennial didn't make their own website, or know anything about programming, or know much of anything beyond opening internet explorer. Sure, but most people that were kids in the late 90s/early 00s have some experience with troubleshooting technical issues and most have some ability to solve a problem -- maybe not quickly, elegantly, or correctly, but they at least follow through. They're more willing to try to download new software or poke around at a problem. What I've seen out of a lot of younger kids now is that they give up fixing a technical problem really quickly if the solution isn't immediate. It also comes up in my tutoring job, a lot of kids give up and imagine themselves incapable when they don't already know the exact answer. Maybe that's not new, but it feels new. A lot of high schoolers now struggle to read, that definitely is new.

>>75521 >I have been wondering what this will mean for society when this generation grows up and becomes the ones in charge of society I'm already seeing what is happening... Kids who can't discern between the wired and IRL, sometimes with very negative consequences. No filter on words and actions IRL. Treating life like a sheep in a capitalists wet dream with everything being for sale at the click of a button. I'm sure if you sold souls, happienes, or a trip to heaven online you would make millions off these kids. I was having a conversation about certain hazing and teasing that used to happen, not that I really condone it, but it used to be for a reason. You would tease the fat kid because of his unhealthy choices, maybe he would decide to change his diet and exercise. People would be teased for their behaviors, not their identities. These kids are coddled. I read a study just the other day about the number of 10 year olds killing themselves and the parents didnt realize they were being cyberbullied for years. Since so much online is tied to a "persona" or identity, kids now think that your identity+labels is everything. These kids act like an identity is collecting badges in a videogame. The actual act of collecting badges was reserved for Skill attainment like in boyscouts when I was a child. You had to demonstrate that you could perform a task, not just have an interest or feeling of the day. I would say the biggest change is people had their identities seperate from their actions. One medical youtuber talked about how mental health problems are so internalized that when he screens for drugs before surgery, people used to say "i am on this drug to help fix a condition" but now they say "i am on a drug for my condition" with an emphasis on one being a transient part of life (I am dealing depression after the death of a loved one), but now people see mental health conditions as an identity aspect (I am depressed). Kids see death in the worst way possible. Either a game, an existential fear, or a solution, but through the lense of videogames, not some intricate system of belief.

>>75648 >A lot of high schoolers now struggle to read, that definitely is new. *in the united states Please specify, yours sounds like a general statement when in fact it is a current condition in some countries. Kids here read just fine. As for being bad at problem solving, the school system has heen inhibiting that ability for decades now.

>>75647 i have friends in comp sci at university and they tell me the newest freshmen are absolutely tech illiterate. Like need help downloading and installing an IDE clueless. Could be more people apply and wider pool equals worse people included but i think applying for a programming job when you cant use a browser to download and install a required program is just insane.

>>75647 >think back to high school and really think about how many of your classmates actually knew anything about computers. even now at uni most dont. i'm talking simple stuff like accessing the onedrive shared folders or figuring out where stuff is on the library website. the ui is literally there, its no hackerman task, and they struggle so much. admittedly i do a creative degree but still, considering how digital things are. worst case you search it up on google, and even then there is no real excuse. appleification and its consequences ig

The plan is to dehumanize and unskill new generations making them dependent on technology especially ai. With ai necessary for them to function in society, ai will get a free pass to get its tentacles everywhere. With the reduction of mankind and ai everywhere it will be easy to apply ai surveillance and policing to all things. "Cybernetics" means governance, the controllers have already been running things for a long time and this tightening of chains has been planned as well. >>75568 "fox says fox is not a fox, let him into the henhouse"

>>75656 Basic information search and catalog skills are gone. Bill gayts says we will all have AI assistants soon if we want to or not. The better AI gets, the less people have to think for themselves. Years ago people said handwriting was a useless skill, and in many first world areas, the only reason tech has not replaced handwriting is because written media is simply cheaper than outsourcing media to the consumer, who will buy a fancy device for 10x what they actually need to get the job done. Macbooks for facebook kind of waste. The truth is it is just too easy to tell a computer to look something up, or save something that AI wrote (to where? who cares, let the AI decide how to organize my files). Desks are no longer messy with rambling, writing, and personal projects, but consumer products and toys.

>>75672 i dont believe paper will die out. Its just too convenient. maybe in some far future where you have a brain interface and all your notes are there but thats not gonna be soon. Also google already does what you fear from ai. You dont select information. You type and google selects what you get to see. You can bypass this but it takes more effort than most people are willing to make.

>>75656 I remember an anecdote from bussiness computing, granted it does attract a certain type of character. Anyway the professor gave out tasks, projects, code and so on stored in a .7zip file. Out of a class of around 20 attending, 8 couldn't figure out how to open it, leading to the professor publishing it in a different format. 40% of a class could not figure out to quickly download or search for a tool that is free and open source. This wasn't even their first semester. >>75672 Something interesting to note, from what I have seen some countries have classes that teach the use of computer technology, but with how these things work, the curiculum is usually very much out of date leading to students learning simpleton things like how to access information through the internet, how to treat that, how to create files, order files, create folders. How to properly format a word document or sometimes teaching the basics of latex. I think that we could through the backwardsness of the education system, always see a certain level of pure basics be preserved. Education and Government institutions might switch to propagating and recommending different search_engines and tools to their students. We are already seeing backlash towards AI, both in the problems it causes but also it's lack of quality.

>>75636 I've worked in tech support for a cumulative decade or so since 2008 including handling escalations for a line of obnoxiously complex enterprise firewall products, plus nominally unrelated jobs that overlap in some skill areas and my own projects and online volunteer troubleshooting throughout. I've rooted, cracked, and flashed phones, played around with pulling and exploring the various firmware images, spent some non-negligible amount of time reading the Android dev documentation, etc. So it is not for any lack of technical acumen, or research skill, or experience that I say this: The difficulty of finding reliable, consistent information about simple procedures to follow, let alone actual insights into Android internals, is at completely incredible levels. It makes the worst epidemic of auto-generated SEO-spam sites in the PC domain look like heaven. I watched a vxdeo about how to get a certain phone into fastboot and the guy confidently demonstrated his instructions... not fuarrrking working! He didn't even understand his own objective, he didn't know how to tell that the thing he was trying to do wasn't happening! I am convinced annuities at this point that nobody actually understands how smartphones work. The blind are leading the blind without even the benefit of a one-eyed man among them. Everyone is just echoing bullshit to each other in a gradually degenerating game of telephone.

>>75675 Google used to be good, but it's so useless now that they've tried making it "smart". It used to give you something at least somewhat resembling an objective sampling of what people on the internet were saying. Now it steers you hard toward a combination of GPT-written SEO sites and whatever advertisers have paid them to push. So many times I've clicked on those summaries it gives and the source material says literally the opposite of what its summary says. Looking things up through automatic mechanisms is not so scary. Looking things up through an AI filter that only shows you what whoever paid it wants you to see is more scary. And eventually this system will become good enough that you won't notice it's happening.

Have something horrific. This is unfortunately the norm for many children in the first world, and I shudder in horror to see how they'll behave. My generation is bad enough with their FOMO social media, glued to their phones, replacing their credit/debit cards with their phones. I imagine younger generations will happily embrace augmentation without much thought.

>>75666 Very creepy trips synchronous to the post. >>75675 Paper would easily die out if it was derezzed for "environmental concerns", the newer generations like in >>75880 wouldn't even miss it. Or more like only the rich would be allowed to use paper.

>>75895 >Paper would easily die out if it was derezzed for "environmental concerns" It never would be though because it's too useful to be derezzed... >the newer generations like in >>75880 wouldn't even miss it. Kids in high school today still use paper notebooks.

>>75908 I work in an office and I don't use paper. Everything is in digital files like email and spreadsheets and text documents. It is possible to go completely paperless as we have the technology to replace paper.

>>75917 It's still used to wipe ass and clean up spills, and paper hardcopy is generally recognized as better/more permanent than anything technological (because it is). I have literally a pipe of paper on my desk right now. I keep it around because it's useful if I need to quickly work something out and I don't have my sketchbook handy.

I look at some of these iPad babies and I look at the stuff they watch on their iPads and it's fuarrrking bizarre and ADHD inducing soykaf. Just look at some of the children's content on YouTube. It rots my brain just looking at it.

>>75880 This is the equivelent of a human adapting to a digital environment, like "Abexa PLAY Baby SHarK" children growing out of their early years. Another anecdote I have heard from people in several industrial fields, newcomers assume every screen is touch based (try turning the knobs and dials, lol). Someone said they had a typewriter and a child asked them how it connects to the WIFI. Even people in aviation, younger people are better at managing data and a dozen screens, but the older people are better at actually flying the plane.

>>75525 imageboard schizos once again having a field day thinking literally everything is ai

>>75908 >Kids in high school today still use paper notebooks. a lot of schools give kids computers, could just do everything online pretty easily as far as homework&assignments and all. Where I live universities seem to be going more digital, pandemic accelerated this, all the tools exist; If you can do school online then you don't need paper at all for it imho. >>75929 >hardcopies are better yes but plenty of people are insane/evil so that's not a problem.

>>75946 >a lot of schools give kids computers, could just do everything online pretty easily as far as homework&assignments and all. This has been true for almost a decade now; but teachers still often require paper homework turned in (because it's easier to just write grades and comments directly on the paper) and I have literally never seen anybody seriously trying to ban paper.

>>75961 Yes but we're fantasizing about a YA dystopia where paper is derezzed

>>75961 Eco-retards try to ban paper all the time, or at least claim silicon valley EV driving starbucks culture is great for the environment and means there is no need for paper. Many school systems did away wth paper, assignments go straight to plagarism checkers, and print material costs are 0 if the government subsidizes computers anyway. Added bonus teachers don't have to read soykafty handwriting that is barely taught in schools. I get compliments on my handwriting when people see my notes, even though it is just soykafty cursive. For a look at the logistics, the cost of having to supply tonnes of paper and print materials is removed from government spending budgets. Remember when teachers in the USA were complaining about having to pay for print materials out of their own pockets because of failing school budgets? Many companies give "technology grants" to schools because it gets their products into the hands of young consumers that they can start collecting data on and I am sure something about tax write-offs too. >>75963 It's worse than any YA dystopia, but it's even funnier when people don't realize how computers work and then your entire education system turns into an IT nightmare worthy of a game of shadowrun. I saw this first hand because I was involved with putting those computers into the hands of school children. At the time hacker culture was still big, and people started hacking educator profiles to change grades or just create mayhem or gather data on other students. The systems that were first used were very similar to early facebook, where all your information was collected and people had poor login security. Obviously it looked really bad because of the green-deal paperless agenda being pushed so it never made the news, but all they could do is suspend or kick out students for hacking government IT systems. There were also lawsuits when schools turned the webcams on to watch students and found them fapping on their school computers or smoking pot and reported them to either family or the authorities. If this were in the covid era education system, I would imagine someone would have probably turned their schools into bitcoin botnets or something. Now kids have Ipads instead of books and paper, and some tablets run custom education software with enhanced monitoring "features". It seems like the only people still using paper do so because they are old and can't use technology, or out of spite for youth reliance on technology.

>>75967 >Many school systems did away wth paper Which ones? Like I said, I have never seen this or even heard of it, and I have direct experience with three different school districts and two different colleges, in multiple states. AFAIK as soon as the "pandemic ended" everyone went back to paper. >For a look at the logistics, the cost of having to supply tonnes of paper and print materials is removed from government spending budgets. Except those are a tiny fraction of the operating costs of a school, especially when students often are required to buy paper supplies such as notebooks themselves. Meanwhile computers are expensive and upkeep is expensive. Paper is dirt cheap compared to even a small fleet of ipads. >Remember when teachers in the USA were complaining about having to pay for print materials out of their own pockets because of failing school budgets? It's been that way for a really long time and it never got better.

>>75967 That actually sounds really funny. I wish I went to that school

>>75974 No need for me to doxx myself with direct links. Generally, the ones who do go paperless worked out deals with textbook companies to buy educational DLC for cheaper than buying and replacing paper books, and while the cost of notebooks is extended to families, many of them also get some form government aid for school supplies. You can dig more into the nuances of that if you would like on your own. Notebooks are often not required for use in class, as students are not required to take physical notes (and many like using digital notes more). You may be in a place where the school has not become part of the corporate botnet and software licenses for pre-packaged educational programs are the norm. This link has some early numbers of when states started switching over 10 years ago. People did make the arguement that paper is more durable and cheaper, but politicians don't care and they take advantage of lucrative "innovation grants" as free money. It may not actually be better, but they can use funds for other projects if someone else is footing the bill. https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/educators-weigh-e-textbook-cost-comparisons/2012/05