Warzone Palestine

Warzone Palestine. Soldiers taken POW on 10/7/2023 at dawn. Didnt put up much of a fight.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf.)

Conscripts don't tend to. They aren't used to active combat and don't expect to face it and will break under pressure, especially without support. Seems many Israeli checkpoints were overwhelmed by Hamas guerrillas using classic infiltration tactics and encirclements. The opening assaults begun at 5am, when the guards switch, the new shift were half awake and the night shift were too tired. Some innovative tactics here, using drones to disable communications equipment, new anti-tank tactics and paragliders to airdrop men over the border. Penetrating a massive layered defensive line like that is no easy feat. Israeli troops are also very dependent on air support and tanks, without them unit morale breaks down and they panic and act confused which is what happened in Lebanon in 2006. Israel's military doctrine has clearly failed. Its not just intelligence, their military doctrine and strategy is completely fuarrrked and Hamas had a good plan and executed it well. What really worries me is the Israeli's are clearly going to go in and flatten the Gaza strip. Where are all the civilians going to go? Gaza is blockaded on all sides and densely populated and Netanyahu is talking about turning it into "a ruin." Either way, an Israeli invasion of Gaza would be as ugly as the battles of Grozny or Fallujah but x10 worse. In Chechnya, the Russian invasion failed to destroy the guerrillas so Israelis saying they'll annihilate Hamas is wishful thinking. Hamas has broken Che's golden rule of guerrilla warfare: the guerrilla should always be defensive until there's a balance between the guerrilla and the military, only when the military is weak do you go on the offensive. But then again, like the Vietcong's Tet Offensive, a short term military failure can be a long term political success. Definitely an interesting war to keep an eye on. I have buddies in the West Bank too (;__;)

these guys did an air assault without any planes or helicopters fuarrrking based

>>74893 america and britain did also use gliders for air assault on the famous D-day (not to exclusion of course). Pretty quiet and pretty cheap, compared to other options. OP were these soldierettes actually guarding something? do we know context of their capture ? I had thought the jews avoided putting their soldierettes on front line places where they'd see combat but its not something I know anything about, and perhaps the glider soldiers moving past the presumed frontline voided such precautions. Interesting situation, I just hope the US doesn't send even more billions of dollars to either of these factions!

>>74894 afaik these were taken prisoner after Hamas attacked the Erez military facility. As you can see from their uniforms, they are female IDF soldiers. When the facility was attacked half the IDF there were asleep in their barracks, hence some of them are partially dressed or not carrying equipment. They were caught entirely by surprise. >america and britain did also use gliders for air assault on the famous D-day yeah but this is the first time a guerrilla group has done it as far as i know. on d day the allies had air and naval support. these guys did everything DIY without an air force or navy.

>>74895 >without an airforce or navy true, but they're also not assaulting a beach and doing it over a much shorter distance. I'm not saying its unimpressive, its certainly neat, but its not entirely novel. I think the US has liked lately to hype up i.e. planes and helicopters and deathtraps like the osprey when perhaps systems like this are quite effective in many circumstances.

>>74892 >What really worries me is the Israeli's are clearly going to go in and flatten the Gaza strip. Where are all the civilians going to go? They're probably going to be killed. Possibly in a systematic fashion. They're already in a ghetto so I wouldn't put it past Israel to go for the full irony and institute a genocide. >>74896 >I think the US has liked lately to hype up i.e. planes and helicopters and deathtraps like the osprey when perhaps systems like this are quite effective in many circumstances. the US military likes to talk about their expensive toys so they'll get more expensive toys, and in the process lots of generals, military contractors, etc. get to line their pockets.

this the only Palestine war thread ? >>74897 Israel will now have issues mobilizing a response, as hamas has already made good progress. I also assume hezbolla will join the war sooner or later. As jews have since the standing of israel been bombing civilians, i would not be surprised, if in the case of a counteroffensive, they would intend for massive civilian casualties.

Looks like the socialist PFLP, the Lion's Den and the Christian groups in the West Bank are trying to join in. Doubt they'll do anything major but now Israel has to deal with Hamas in the south, the West Bank, and Hezbollah in the north. >>74896 Still its quite a feat for a group that started out as a small terrorist cell. Now they've shown their capable of launching a well coordinated and planned offensive combining land forces, boats and barrages of rockets and shells. This is the first time a Palestinian guerrilla group has gone on the offensive deep into Israel. They've attacked border kibbutzim before but never as far as Ashkelon. Until now, a lot of Palestinians wrote off the possibility of successful asymmetric and guerrilla warfare against Israel. This changes everything. Israeli and Palestinian politics won't be the same after this. >>74897 US military has a wonder weapon fetish. Since the Rumsfeld era they've put their faith in shiny new technology transforming warfare and allowing them to achieve the unachievable (e.g. the drone campaign in Afghanistan and Pakistan was a massive fail). Israel has the same disease, over reliance on fancy equipment and poor long term strategy. Look at the pundits on mainstream media. They're all asking why Israeli intelligence failed, as if the fog of war doesn't exist and a modern military is supposed to have this god eye view of everything and know exactly what's going on. >>74899 It could take them a week or so to mobilize. Southern Israel is full of infiltrators and there's no real idea of where exactly some of them are. Then you've got Hezbollah in the north, and their probably better equipped and trained than the actual Lebanese army. Where else are Gazans going to go? The whole area is blockaded and Israelis are talking about annihilating the place. They are throwing out warnings to civilians but that's just to cover their ass. We all know innocent civilians have nowhere to go. The Isreaelis intend to expel them and probably massacre a ton of them in the process.

I love how lainchan barely discusses current events but when the spotlight is on Israel being the victim then you jump on it. Almost as if some of you guys are jewish yourselves.

>>74901 american here (since before US revolution) and 0% jewish or muslim. War is interesting to me and Ill participate in any thread about a current war just because its neat. If you want to talk about your country please start a war there and then perhaps. >>74899 They dont seem to have actually penetrated that deep, israel has been preparing for this and has fought previous wars with these people. I tend to assume their mobilization will be relatively fast , we shall see

>>74901 I haven't seen a single post simping for Israel in this thread. Maybe I missed it? I do like that we don't discuss this stuff generally because it's all over the other boards and there's plenty of places to go. That said, this thread so far has been the most reasonable one I've seen since this all started.

>>74902 >>74906 It doesn't matter if you simp for Israel or not, it's obvious that attention to Israel or jews is what feeds them and what gives them power. Nobody talks about Armenia/Azerbeijan war, nobody talks about Ukraine/Russia war, nobody talks about current heating up in northern Kosovo with 3 dead policeman and couple of Russia funded Serbs doing covert operations, nobody is talking about ongoing Yemen or South Sudan wars. But oh sure, feed the flames that want to be fed. Give them material, I don't care. But you guys obviously don't understand the psyop. It's the usual "in group out group" sort of mentality where jews paint themselves as victims and give little bit of material to the rest of the world so others would voice their satisfaction, eventually influencing other jews to huddle together. Instead, live your lives, shut up and don't cheer on this thing. Ignore it.

Here's footage of the glider assault if anyone's interested. They look powered to me but I don't know anything about gliders. Also looks like they captured an Israeli commander, a major general nimrod. They caught him in underwear lol. Ironically he used to be head of the Gaza division so its all come back to bite him in the ass.

>>74908 On moist of the videos I've seen, yes they are motorised.

>>74907 we had some threads about the russian ukrainian war back when it started, although a lot of them got cancelled so maybe its worth thinking why the admins here like this. Maybe it was just that we were calling russians who wanted to get out glitterboys I don't remember. No self proclaimed israelites here so, different situation. If you look at graphs about territory loss/gain its practically gone to zero, there's not too much happening. Perhaps we thread again about it when something happens. If something happens! Likewise for Korean War, still arguably ongoing. Armenian soykaffe, fair. Ive been following a bit but no thread here, I assume because of Normal negro media interest. Kosovo soycalf, IDK seems like thats been a slow burn since Milosevic left office. We've had a few incidents since the russio ukraine war started and as far as I know nothing big has come of it. I want that Clinton Statue down! Yemen and Sudan, IDK sounds like niggery. Maybe you're right and jews dont deserve the attention they claim, but I think I'll happily give them a day or so of mine when they're getting invaded. If nothing new and exciting happens I'll ignore it, tomorrow. >>74908 yeah looks like they're trailing a little smoke. And doing it in broad daylight! One wonders whether it would be possible to down these with rifles, but I understand gunownership among the jewish citizenry to not be especially widespread, and likely a hole or two punched in the wing fabric will not a crash make. Looks as though the city is carrying on business as usual, perhaps they do not know what is going on at this point, most people at any rate.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST ,Do not whine and cry about 8chan, lainchan.jp, "quality", "invasions", "newfags", mods, bans, or kalyx outside of /q/.)

>>74912 It takes skill to hit a moving target like that with small arms, although the M4s most IDF troops carry would probably be useless. Anti-air guns can probably take them down but I'm guessing the Israelis don't have any there because they weren't expecting an air assault. They knocked out Gaza's only airport over a decade ago so they got lazy and complacent and assumed they'd never be attacked from above unless its a home made bottle rocket or the occasional drone, which usually do little to no damage anyway.

>>74913 >it takes skill to hit a target like that yes I'm sure, but there's a lot of people who are pretty good shots. The risk of small arms to aircraft, especially slow moving and low altitude ones like these, is I think a little underplayed. Vietnam war heli pilots were as I understand it reasonably wary of attack by small arms; it could and did sometimes take them down. One guy with a rifle obviously isnt going to do that much to that many individual gliders, but could he maybe take one out ? I think so, if he was a good shot and lucky. Hard to tell what the actual altitude there is but its not high.

>>74907 >Don't talk about Israel getting invaded by a bunch of paragliders! There was some talk about the ukraine war on here if that's your quarrel. Not sure to what detail it was ultimately discussed but it wasn't Spetsnaz shooting into the crowd of protesters back then.

I don't know much but I know that the west and me would rather have Israel dominate the whole of middle-east instead of fundamental muslim scum. At this point just level the whole area

Would the invasion of israel fail, it legitimize the jewish claims of a greater israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel This can spiral down into more nonsense, all footing on thousand years of mid eastern history.

>>74919 It's pretty clear the Western liberal and neocon establishment will back Israel no matter what. Israel has invaded and annexed foreign territories and carried out ethnic cleansing, they've broke every rule of the "rules based international order" and get away with it. They don't need to legitimize land grabbing because their allowed to do it. The US rubber stamped their annexation of parts of Syria and if you look at Netanyahu's last speech at the UN, he held up a map which implied Israel will officially annex the West Bank at some point. Israel could drop a nuke on Norway and get a slap on the wrist. The New York Times would probably put out an op ed supporting it.

>>74897 >They're already in a ghetto so I wouldn't put it past Israel to go for the full irony and institute a genocide. Looks like their doing that. Their shelling and striking residential areas and hit Gaza's main hospital. Apparently, ambulances have been hit with drone strikes. Schools, refugee camps and mosques also reported hit and journalist and news media ordered to clear out of their offices targeted for Israeli strikes. It's over.

A point to consider is to what extent this may have been permitted in the service of some kitegov military agenda. Modern states seem to be in love with dramatic attacks which allow them to paint themselves as victims, as with basically all American Wars since 1812, but also like Russia-Ukraine and USSR in wwii. Initial situation is always more complicated, but media tries to frame the war as starting at point X when they attacked us, and thus we have the myth that i.e. US entered WWII because of Pearl Harbour. In any case, I wouldn't jump to assume that the kitegov isn't willing to sacrifice some of their citizens in order to justify greater retaliation & extra billions of shekels from their sponsors, but that don't make their opponents innocent either. Sounds like the US is already sending the Gerald Ford, so at least we'll maybe get to see if they've finally got those catapults working. Anyway remember the USS Liberty. Ideal solution is the single state solution where the entire region is directly managed by Priester John or someone of his calibre!

>>74922 to clarify, 'since 1812' was meant to be non inclusive of that particular war. 1812 was not without justification but it lacked a moment like Fort Sumter.

>>74922 Netanyahu needed a distraction and what better than a war? Hardcore zionists have always wanted to wipe out Gaza and genocide the Palestinians before conquering the rest of the Middle East. Now they have their excuse. But if Bibi let this happen, it clearly got out of hand. They weren’t expecting Hamas to be this effective.

>>74924 If its an excuse then its in their interests to overplay how effective the enemy is. At this moment I imagine there's a lot of confusion. Initial death estimates around 9-11 frequently went over 10k. Those buildings were _huge_. Play up carnage and rape and murder enough and maybe you can even turn some milequetoast liberals into Palastine Haters again. If this is a performance its not for the hardcore zionists but for the proverbial swing voters who need to be convinced that a war is necessary and retribution just, and likely were previously being swayed by all the dumb sympathy stories about poor palestinians. New they're getting their faces blasted with muslim rapists and murders of jewish pensioners instead. As >>74907 points out they want to get in the news, they want your attention. They're doing a good job of it.

>>74907 ignoring a problem is never a solution, the western world (primarily america) still give them billions and billions of dollars every year, they wouldn't exist without it

>>74892 Che says a guerrilla is a social reformer who fights on behalf of the people. Hamas messed this part up by attacking civilians directly. I don't think the festival massacre was deliberate, probably panicking militants with too much adrenaline loosing their head, but threatening to kill hostages is. Hamas posting videos of this stuff online is damaging their image outside of Palestine and hardcore Jew haters.

>>74894 There are other benefits to glider insertion, like anti-aircraft radar and air defense systems not being able to detect/engage. Fire control radars are calibrated for aircraft signatures, not ultralight sized chairs and parachutes with no radar return flying low over the ground. Iran launched one of the best air strikes on Iraq by flying super low to avoid Air defense radar detection with low altitude air refueling. Hamas is definately taking a lot of low tech from Ukraine and applying it against Israel. They have been taking out tanks frequently with the DJI drone tactics that ISIS prototyped and Ukraine perfected. USA already is sending battleships and air support to contain the conflict. >>74897 IIRC the Israeli defense minister called them "animals" and basically said they are going to go full anakin on them, they turned off the power and water to Gaza which is already causing a lot of problems. >>74899 I think Hezbolla has already joined, the situation on the ground is bad because Israel usually launches retalliation strikes against areas where Hamas has family and sympathizers. Hamas said that for every strike they launch from this point on, they will start livestreaming hostage executions. >>74901 There's usually one or two current event threads up. They tend to get avoided because they draw too much opinion out of the woodwork. >>74907 Is incorrect, the Rus-Ukr war was already discussed here back in 2015+ It's been old news The Conflict in the Balkans never gets coverage, because it usually burns out and is about as important as focusing on Africa. Nigerian Coup was also not discussed.

Hamas has lost the image war clearly. At least where it matters anyway. The last war came after the George Floyd scandal which helped them somewhat and Israeli casualties were practically negligible. But massacres aside, they lost because they invaded Israel. Westerners can’t tolerate it when Palestinians go on the offensive. They don’t see “non state actors” or any kind of Islamic group as legitimate so whenever Hamas is winning, it’s easy to portray them as simple terrorists. >>74928 Frantz Fanon studied the psychiatry of Algerian guerrillas. Some of them had outbursts of indiscriminate violent rage directed towards white French settlers or openly fantasized about it. Insurgents who’ve been humiliated and brutalized by the authorities can develop an extreme bloodlust where killing and injuring settlers indiscriminately becomes a cathartic outlet for trauma and pain. They actually experience a therapeutic relief and sense of calm when carrying out atrocities which pushes them to do it. Traumatized men are way more dangerous than even literal psychopaths. >>74929 Slight correction, those tactics were developed by many Syrian rebel groups not just ISIS. Hamas compares notes with Hezbollah, which is why they’ve scaled up their capabilities since the 2009 war. But unlike Hezbollah, they have virtually nothing in the way of fire support outside of rockets (of varying quality, some so bad they can’t be considered weapons) and mortars, ranging from portables to large IRA style bunker busters. They have no armored vehicles. It’s cruelly asymmetric. Probably why they resort to things like live streaming executions as a means of getting back at an overwhelming enemy. Israel is already committing large scale atrocities far beyond those of Hamas in scale. Destruction of mosques, churches, hospitals, residential areas, schools, even UN designated areas have been damaged. If they do opt for a ground invasion, all of that rubble is going to create a serious problem for them. It provides excellent defensive positions for urban guerrillas and rubble piles and ruins are far harder to clear than buildings. Is physically eliminating Hamas in Gaza even possible? If the US hasn’t been able to eradicate al-Qaeda how is Israel going to eliminate Hamas? They’ll just go underground, rebuild and continue fighting.

There is no conceivable reality in which Israeli intelligence did not see this coming from a mile away and allowed it to happen for political gain. My impression is that WEF backed terrorism and its puppet political figures have coordinated with them to pivot away from using Ukraine as their primary financial money launderer to Qatari banking to stoke the fires of war. They really want WWIII, the goal of which is global totalitarianism and depopulation. It is not clear whether these madmen intend to use nuclear weapons. They play both sides. They want to kill most of us, and enslave the rest.

>>74932 >There is no conceivable reality in which Israeli intelligence did not see this coming from a mile away Intelligence failures happen all the time. Generally all these panopticon wannabe-gods are a lot weaker than they seem.

As far as I'm concerned everyone saying "Hamas lost the narrative" or any other attempt to paint the Palestinians as "aggressors" is either a victim blaming JIDF agent or someone who's been duped by them. No reasonable person who understands the situation on a basic level and knows what an apartheid state looks like could possibly blame the Palestinians for any of this. It's obvious whose genociding who here.

>>74934 Eh. Hamas is not exactly purehearted and I don't think they are acting in the best interests of the Palestinians. They've already "lost the narrative", whatever that means, in the eyes of all European / American powers. Nothing they do could change that. However that means nothing because they are trying to agitate the Muslim world, which is very different. Israel isn't exactly an apartheid state either. As I understand it, there are many Israelis with Palestinian ancestry and they have full rights, at least de jure. I think the situation is more like a large amount of Palestinians do not accept their foreign conquerors.

>>74933 Israel heavy relies on electronic surveillance, tapping phone calls and texts, reading emails, collecting metadata. The problem with mass surveillance like this is you end up gathering more information than you can actually process. AI tools are being developed but their unreliable. Countries with electronic mass surveillance capabilities can end up with blinkers on, they think things only exist when their equipment can pick it up and if it can't then nothing is happening. A simple counter measure to mass surveillance is to avoid using the internet or carrying smartphones and or using motorcycle messengers.

The one fuarrrking time I make a post without a text editor I wind up posting off of a derezzed Tor exit node, fuarrrking lainchan I swear. >74931 Anyone who stands against Israel or Zionism (or even criticizes a jew) on any level has "lost the image war". They are literally Hitler, they are trying to start another holocaust. Any atrocities Israel commits will never be documented to any meaningful extent, and any atrocities Hamas perpetrates will be heavily documented as can be seen whenever Hamas launches rockets at Israel. The aftermath of the attack is plastered all over the media for at least the day, video footage of the rockets, the same is never done in favor of Palestine. Furthermore, the media will always project the acts committed by Hamas in a more negative light than those of Israel, when reporting upon Israel the vast majority of media outlets will not deploy the techniques they typically use in order to exploit the emotions of their viewers so as to eliminate their rational thought processing, making them far more suggestible In terms of recent history, Israel is the aggressor. They came into Palestine, formed settlements and took the land of Palestinians. They have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians in just the last 20 years, the majority of them being civilians. These nations have been attacking each other ever since their conflict began which was when foreigners came into Palestine and set out to colonize the land. They're at war with one another. I don't believe that Hamas are all solely pure-hearted angels trying to liberate Palestine, some of them are just savages who want to kill people, some of them want to kill whatever Jews they can as retribution. These people have grown up being regularly exposed to death and destruction at the hands of Israel, hospitals, schools, and ambulances are attacked, civilian protestors are fired upon with live ammunition, of course they're going to despise Jews and their supporters. As I said these nations are at war with one another. Atrocities are commonplace in war. Nothing that has been seen here is unique or special in any way, they're acts of war.

>>74941 I say that they're at war because you can see now how some Jews are crying about how this is a terrorist attack and they're being terrorized by Palestinians and have been since their conflict began for literally no reason, that's not the case.

>>74935 >They've already "lost the narrative", whatever that means, in the eyes of all European / American powers They couldn't have a narrative to begin with. To understand the Israeli/Palestine conflict you have to understand Henry Kissinger, the man responsible for US expansion to the east. Israel is a 51st US state, it's a colony through which US enforces influence over the Middle East. To prove that you can look at American conflicts in the Middle East and Israel for some reason being the only country flourishing in that area. Hence the reason why US has dumped infinite amount of money, weapons and resources into Israel, and hence the reason it kept doing that no matter the politicians of the Congress trying to cut on support. Usually politicians say they care about the America, so they want to keep American money to themselves, which is a deluded statement only made to play with clueless public. If you really care about America you dump resources into Israel, because that allows you to keep world's dominance, so that is exactly what America ends up doing in any circumstances. There is no way America or American colonies will support Palestine, ever.

>>74941 re: editors and Tor nodes, you can usually go 'back' using your browsers cache and that saves the post in my experience. >anyone who stands against israel or zionism is litterally hitler in the public popularity contest image war IDK where you live but where I live Palestine is and has been for a while one of the white liberal pet nationalities. Its like the new Tibet. Even many Jews (mostly atheist) I know aren't too hot on Israel and say this publicly and happily. Maybe their tunes have changed since this started, Ill ask one next time I get the chance. Stories of Jewish police committing violence against poor palestinian children who dindu nuffin get circulated around every now and then. To some degree the 'image war' just doesn't matter, and to the extent that it does, its not 100% clear cut. But in any case, US government loves israel almost as much as it loves expensive military contracts, and certainly won't let this opportunity go to waste. >In terms of recent history, da jooz r the aggressor well maybe but then go just a little further back and maybe you'll see them as running for their survival from a hostile situation in Europe. Maybe you see it as the responsibility of Britain to keep things under order and their departure leaving a vacuum is the problem, and they the real enemy & instigator of this chaos. Maybe you look a little further back still and consider that the Jews had it coming. Trying to figure out 'who started it' is a pointless exercise and almost always has been. Giving it such emphasis also strongly incentivizes perverse behaviors. >>74946 >51st state I had to think about it for a minute but this may actually be true. After Germany and Japan, but before Hawaii and Alaska.

This is why woke liberal Palestinians are wrong. They think they can change public opinion in the West when Europeans and Americans will never support Palestinians. Arab Muslims are too foreign to ever be relatable to Westerners and Europe especially has a history of raping these places to build their first world economy. Americans and Germans especially have this fanatic obsession with Israel. They identify with Israelis. Israel represents the restoration of Western civilization's Biblical heritage. Israelis live a neoliberal, secular, first world lifestyles. If you show an American images of Shani Louk and one of an grieving Palestinian girl, they are going to be more sympathetic to the Israeli. Inevitably, geopolitics will cause Israel to either go the way of South Africa or simply turn Palestinians into the Native Americans on reservations.

>>74951 >arab muslims are too foreign you're forgetting the extreme xenophilia of the standard liberal. In any case US popular opinion doesn't matter that much, US gov does what it wants.

>>74950 >well maybe but then go just a little further back and maybe you'll see them as running for their survival from a hostile situation in Europe And that means it's okay for a bunch of other people to designate a colonial holding as "Jewish Land" and push out everyone else? I get that they really want to have their own country. I'm not even against the idea in principle. It's the way that the state of Israel is run that is the problem.

>>74890 they are beelding da turd temple. red cows.

>>74952 Liberals aren't xenephilic their extremely xenophobic. While a right winger will judge a person for their skin color or religion and write them off as irredeemable, liberal racism is cultural. They believe everybody can be assimilated into a homogeneous culture: their own culture. They demand the dark skinned foreigner assimilate their cultural values and abandon his own in the process. Liberals define humanity around their own narrow lifestyle and so anyone who falls outside of that is to varying degrees subhuman and can be killed with impunity. They can tolerate superficial differences and celebrate them to virtue signal about how diverse they are, but they can't tolerate real cultural differences. Fanon considered liberal humanism to be the worst form of racism there is. It denies actual human differences and faults non-whites in third world countries for failing to be like middle class French people. Liberals then pretend to be anti-racist to police people's behavior and bully people weaker than themselves. They get a inverse narcissistic kick out of berating other white people and projecting their faults onto them. It's all an act. You can see how this plays out with Palestinians. There's praise for Palestinian food, art, keffiyehs etc. but they won't tolerate Palestinian Islamic groups or Palestinians making serious political demands. There's an expectation that Palestinians should be peaceful, they should support women's rights (i.e. their women should look dress and behave like American ones) and support gay rights (i.e. have sex the way Americans do) and be secular and speak English. In other words, commit cultural suicide and become Americanized and liberalized. Palestinian political demands must be rejected until they prove their liberal enough. If they refuse we don't care if they die because nothing of value has been lost. The mainstream media ignores the dozens of Palestinians killed but hyper focuses on Israeli festival goers because these people are liberal, secular, sexually free and therefore qualify as full human beings in a way Palestinians don't.

>>74958 >The mainstream media ignores the dozens of Palestinians killed but hyper focuses on Israeli festival goers because these people are liberal, secular, sexually free and therefore qualify as full human beings in a way Palestinians don't. Wouldn't they do that anyway because those companies are owned by people connected to a political establishment with a stake in supporting Israel? Maybe the stuff you describe is a factor, but seems like more of a pretense for propaganda than a real reason. When was the last time there was western liberal support for a group of people in a conflict mainly just for reasons of cultural hegemony?

>>74958 >Liberals aren't xenephilic their extremely xenophobic. While a right winger will judge a person for their skin color or religion and write them off as irredeemable, liberal racism is cultural. "xenophobe" refers specifically to an aversion to people of other nationalities. It has a precise meaning and I'd rather that not get muddied. >They can tolerate superficial differences and celebrate them to virtue signal about how diverse they are, but they can't tolerate real cultural differences. This is very true, though. Lots of white liberals are actually very uncomfortable around black people, for instance, and they're unwilling to acknowledge it, which makes it all that much worse. Compare the racist townsfolk in "Blazing Saddles" to the governor and his cronies, who can't even say the word nigger. Who was more racist? Who was more responsible for the plight of the sheriff? Support for Palestine in the US mainly comes from the far left. Mainstream liberals and lite "progressives" are much less likely to support Palestine.

>>74958 >liberals are the real racists so I have heard. Still, it seems to be liberals who push continually for more immigration, more amnesty, more tolerance of minority wrongdoing. I guess that's xenophobia for you. >>74954 look man its a silly argument and you can always go one step back. Historic justifications are frequently just that, justifications. Fact of the matter is that two tribes want a piece of land. I don't see why anyone here on lain should give a soykaf who gets it. All the talk about justifications is them begging you for money. They're like gypsies on the sidewalk talking about how they need money for their kid. Give them the money and soon they'll have twice as many kids to beg with.

Roaming rape gangs of middle eastern muslim men? Isn't that just part and parcel of living in a society?

lol dumbasses stop caring and dont give a signels hit, hating more is just going to make everyone more stupid and play into the governments desires. a bunch of talking monkeys fight another bunch of talking monkeys... who gives a soykaf?

>>74964 >a bunch of talking monkeys fight another bunch of talking monkeys... who gives a soykaf? Those talking monkeys that are fighting and their friends, relatives, etc.

So apparently the Houthis are threatening to hit Israel with ballistic missiles if the US intervenes. They have Soviet Frog-7s with a 65km range and have used them to hit Abu Dhabi in the past. They also have a few Iranian Scud derivatives which could be a more serious problem for Israel if fired in volleys. Hamas has already shown saturation can overcome Israel's air defenses and Scuds can carry huge HE warheads unlike Hamas rockets. A barrage of Scud missiles could be devastating if they are not intercepted. >>74959 Probably, but why are people susceptible to that? People don't always accept the narratives fed to them by media infotainment but they do in this case because the victims are people they can relate to. When they see images of festival goers mowed down by Hamas they see themselves. When they see Palestinians being bombarded they see something foreign and otherworldly. Cultural hegemony definitely plays a role because Israel is let off the hook for so many things. This past year, settlers have ransacked entire towns, IDF operations killed a large number of Palestinians, and Muslim and Christian shrines were repeatedly raided, and Israel has annexed parts of foreign countries or threatened to do so. Yet little to no criticism was leveled at Israel. Americans and Germans have a strange cultural bias for Israel that goes beyond supporting a regional client state. Probably because of Jewish communities and their influence in politics. >>74960 >>74961 What few people realize is that modern anti-immigrant and anti-Arab/Islam rhetoric actually originated with European liberals. The idea that a band of sell out liberals appease misbehaving minorities, that foreign cultures must be controlled, that "they" hate our values, are prone to rape etc. are all ideas that originated among prominent liberal intellectuals and even people like Zizek. Some of the biggest supporters of the 9/11 wars, Israel, and the idea of an immigrant threat were people like Tom Friedman, Farid Zakaria, Paul Berman, Michael Walzer, Bernard Haykal etc. all of them establishment liberals and regime mouthpieces. The very woke liberal New York Times put out an award winning podcast depicting immigrants as dangerous crypto-jihadists and Arabs as bloodthirsty killers and even after the whole thing was exposed as a hoax, the reporter was short listed for a Pulitzer and the podcast is still available. The very same New York Times then accuses Trump supporters of being dangerous racists and peddling anti-immigrant hate.

>>74962 It is just a regular part of war, it is strange when it doesn't happen .

>>74964 Literal Armageddon is reason enough to care. The orthodox Zionist faction in Israel are hell-bend on flushing all the Muslims out of the region altogether, and Gaza is just the first phase in this decades-long master plan. Once they are dealt with, they can focus on more pressing matters, like applying heavier measures against the West Bank, wherein resides the Temple Mount, a place of great religious significance to Jews, because the fabled Solomon's Temple used to reside there. The current problem standing in the way of these rebuilding efforts of the Temple are the Muslim population and their holy sites, which happen to be on top of the Temple. Once the Jews manage to annex the whole West Bank territory, you know the next thing they'll do is blow up these buildings, thereby turning ALL 2 billion Muslims against Israel. It would be quite fine if it were merely Israel which they'd wipe off of the face of Earth, but guess who else gets reeled into this conflict as well? Amerimutts will, of course, be the first in line by default, and whenever Amerimutts go blow up stuff in the Middle-East, the vast majority of EU nations will follow suit, since of course they must be involved as well because of "muh freedum and dumocracy!!!", at which point you'll wish you had paid a little bit more attention to a bunch of talking desert monkeys flinging soykaf at each other in their little sand pits.

>>74969 >People don't always accept the narratives fed to them by media infotainment Like when? The only examples I can think of are when there are direct or indirect interpersonal connections that preclude them from buying it, like knowing a dead soldier. In this case that effect works in favor of the media narrative; I have seen people relating about having known some of those dead on the Israeli side, and predictably not the inverse. But that is another reason to be skeptical of how crucial the cultural effect really is; you don't need superficial signals for empathy when you have actual social network connections driving consensus. From what I have seen it seems to me that people generally will always accept those narratives regardless of how contrived or contradictory to their values or culture, so long as it does not go against people they are actually connected to in some tangible way. I think that if Israel was very socially isolated, and the hypothetical media chose for their own reasons to craft a narrative in support of the Palestinians instead, everyone would then buy it easily, regardless of their lifestyles being more foreign.

>>74976 >Like when? The only examples I can think of are when there are direct or indirect interpersonal connections that preclude them from buying it, like knowing a dead soldier. Well, yeah. A lot of people have those kinds of connections though, like probably almost everyone in this thread knows at least one Jewish person who is obviously going to have a much more personal opinion on the matter. Something like 30% of the US population didn't get vaccinated for covid even with literally every news outlet constantly pushing for it, plus other propaganda and even many places making it mandatory. Many people actively seek out information that goes against popular or government-enforced consensus on certain topics. >I have seen people relating about having known some of those dead on the Israeli side, and predictably not the inverse. That's probably because if you're European or American, there are a lot more people in your country with direct relations to Israel than there are with direct relations to Palestine. I'm sure if you were from Syria it would be very different.

>>74976 >Like when? The Iraq war and EU referendums?

>>74890 I just think Israel just needs support in the form of great amounts of diversity like the kind the Zionist activists had been supporting and campaigning for in the European nations and the USA. Open borders for Israel!

Arab countries are not doing anything, like, what are you even talking about? They are garbage at warfare, their militaries are absolute trash and they lost how many wars with Israel at this point? They don't even like Palestinians, mostly kinda detest them, and now that there's a carrier battle group on Mediterranean nobody's lifting a finger. IDF will roll into Gaza, kill everyone that stands in their way/turn it into rubble, annex it and nobody will care.

Im kinda playing with the thought: if israel is overrun and gone, they would settle somewhere else. Maybe in ukraine once the war is done. This would bring the jews close to Europe and allowed a jewish state in the EU and other institutions. Giving them special rights etc, in the eu. It might be wrong, but im kinda combining those 2 wars together. I dont know if its makes sense, but they would be closer to Europe then, if resettled.

>>74981 Egypt doesn't want 2 million Gazan refugees on its doorstep. The only crossing into Egypt proper has already been bombed by the IDF. Israel will make the strip uninhabitable and leave the population to die or force them into a death march across the Sinai. The US and EU have practically signed off on this already and the mainstream Western media are basically supporting it. Once their finished killing off Gaza, the IDF will attack Hezbollah anyway and do the same to South Lebanon. The land will be ethnically cleansed, they will build new Jewish settlements and cheap apartments, the White House will support annexation and the Arabs and Muslims will continue fighting from somewhere else. Israel will use this as a pretext to take more of Lebanon until they've taken all of it, then maybe expand into Syria or attack Jordan or wherever the front line against Islam is.

>>74982 I'm personally a fan of the madagascar option. But if that doesn't work out we may need some other solution.

>>74933 Bullshit. They knew. They want WWIII. You see, everything confusing going on snaps right into place when you understand and accept that the cabal of WEF/NWO creeps embedded into every government and major NGO in the world have a very clear objective to genocide the majority of all living humans. They tell us this. You must listen to me. They may be relatively small in number, but they will commit any and every atrocity and deceit to bring us to death; to extinction. They are very good at psy-ops. We must all say no. Look to goodness, look to God, and say, "No. I will not participate in, nor advocate for war and death." This is the only thing that defeats them. https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

>>74986 its not like war is a new thing, its not like falseflags are a new thing. Even accepting that they knew and ignored these warnings its easier to explain as either that they wanted to be painted as victims to justify their retributive war, or that they were a little dumb and suffered for it.

>>74986 >the cabal of WEF/NWO creeps embedded into every government and major NGO in the world have a very clear objective to genocide the majority of all living humans. Reality is not Evangelion you anime schizo.

>>74989 >no u >ad hominem Meanwhile in reality...

>>74986 They don't need to do soykaf if they want world war three. They didn't need to do soykaf to start the first two and they didn't need to do soykaf to get nuclear bombs made or to get everyone dependent on oil and plastics so that half the world becomes uninhabitable. No shady conspiracy is necessary to explain those historical events. Even if there is some cabal trying to make all these things happen they are not all-powerful and since they want something that would happen on its own, they don't need to be. If your evidence that they knew is "it would for my theory of they did", then this is what's called grasping at straws.

>>74989 There are reasons for elites to want people to die off, unironically, but some person like you always wants to write it off for some reason. Consider a huge company like blackrock (huge is a huge understatement here) for example, a large part of their money is retirement saving they are managing for americans. If you think about it, for someone to receive a pension right now, someone needs to pay for the pension right now, for the system to remain at equilibrium. If more people are getting old than young people are going into the workforce (like what has been happening the past few decades, with declining birthrates below replacement level) and paying into the system then the burden of paying pensions becomes larger for those (fewer) people who pay the pensions. In such a case the money would have to come from those who manage the funds (until there would be none left), which would evaporate their money and in turn their entire influence. How do you think blackrock is going to respond, are they just going to take a big hit and keep on taking it? Or could it be that there is an incentive for them to prevent old people from receiving their pensions, as could be achieved by KILLING them. Curiously, death rates have been quite high recently, some would say starting at around 2021. Yet whenever someone suggests an argument along the lines of this one, it's >schizoposting or whatever. >>74990 This, do you know what Klaus Schwab calls old people who can't contribute? Useless eaters.

>>74999 >Or could it be that there is an incentive for them to prevent old people from receiving their pensions, as could be achieved by KILLING them. If they die with assets those are usually inherited by family. Pensions are one thing, and social security. But maybe you'd preffer the egotistic attitude of spending your last dollar to shine your shoe right before you kick the bucket.

>>74999 That doesn't make any sense. There's not going to be a WWIII because of pensioners, like what are you even talking about?

>todays headline >jews are victims >nothing changed >nothing new >classic

Looks like the third intifada is finally here. But maybe this was all planned? Hamas is the last of the angry youth movements that came out of the 90s and 2000s. Maybe this whole thing is just a clean up job? In the 90s, Algerian secret service infiltrated Islamic groups and manipulated them into attacking each other committing war crimes to delegitimize their cause and justify attacks on them. I wouldn't be surprised in Shin Bet has infiltrated Hamas. It seems like the Hamas leadership in Damascus have no idea whats happening on the ground in Gaza or Palestine. They are completely confused. I bet Netanyahu helped orchestrate this so they can unify their country and start a war. But the militants they manipulating into doing all of this were more successful than they originally expected and everything spiraled out of control. They didn't think the people they tricked into doing this would actually kill a fuarrrk ton of their soldiers and invade their towns and cities.

Brothers, it has only begun. We will drive them out of our homes. We will drive them out of churches and synagogues. We will bring them to their father the devil. John 8:44

>>75020 >>75012 Funnily enough I think these posts were probably made by Israeli operatives, or their useful idiots. They love to make any criticism of Israel seem like anti-semitism.

>>75025 >Israeli operatives JIDF is a bunch of kids, really. It's like the Kidz Bop of propaganda.

>>74950 >>74941 >re: editors and Tor nodes, you can usually go 'back' using your browsers cache and that saves the post in my experience https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/form-history-control/

>>75025 Very clear when you consider Hamas isn’t anti Christian and the song in the video is an ISIS one

>>75026 >>75025 >direct unflinching disregard for jews is psyop you wish

>>75029 >isis isnt anti christian basically every muslim I've met has been either a lukewarm muslim or a lukewarm anti christian at least. Mohammedianism, Judaism, Christianity and Mormonism are all fundamentally opposed to eachother and necessarily assert that the others are wrong in some very significant ways. Don't overplay the compatibility of these systems, no such thing as Judeo Christian Culture except as a heresy in both religions.

>>75031 Hamas isn't an organization that advocates wiping out Christians. It has no connection with ISIS. In fact, ISIS declared war on Hamas in 2017. Nobody said those systems were compatible either.

>>75030 Oh, I know there are many people (I called them "useful idiots") who actually believe that drivel. But their memes come direct from Israel and there are many Zionists in their ranks.

>>74933 >>74986 >Ignored Pretty much the case where there is more to be gained by going to war than preventing an attack. People are already saying that there is a reconstruction plan for all the destroyed city blocks in Gaza. >Prevent attack, get pat on the back >Knowingly allow attack to happen by pretending you are retarded, have justification to throw any type of weapon at your enemy for revenge I don't really take sides, since Hamas is just a petty terrorist group that will never win, and they are just getting used by Iran and Israel are muh joos who are eternally under attack but somehow have the most sophisticated weapons and intel systems in the world (and they lie about the nukes they stole from france). I did have a lul at the hysterical Israeli civilian yelling at the reporter that "This is the second Holocaust! They did this in Germany and now they are doing it here" because 2000 deaths are now 6 million or whatever the going figure these days is supposed to be. I don't really get the connection in so many official statements being about Hamas = Nazis. Also if Russia turning off utilities to Ukraine Civilians constitutes war crimes, then Israel turning off utilities to Palestine does too, simple as.

>>75032 sorry meant to say hamas and not isis. but if they are good muslims don't they have to basically agree that christians are heritics ? They dont have another choice. Maybe their current problem is the jew but long term alliances between these religions kinda don't make sense and never will. Anarcho Communists and neomonarchists might join hands and criticize the modern republic but they're alliance is not something that can endure their victory over it.

>>75038 >but if they are good muslims don't they have to basically agree that christians are heritics ? NTL but no, IIRC there are distinctions drawn in their scripture between christians and heretics, where heretics must be slaughtered but christians get a pass, because of christians at least worshiping the same god. I'm sure there are interpretations of Islam that deny this but it's definitely not universal.

>>75038 Muslims don't see Christians as heretics. They just see them as non-Muslims and that's about it. Muslim scripture only distinguishes between Muslims and non-Muslims.Hamas isn't anti-Jewish either, their just against Jews inside what they see as their territory. Their original charter from 1988 is anti-Jewish but they dropped that years ago. There are Christians in Gaza and a couple of churches operate there freely. >>75037 >I don't really get the connection in so many official statements being about Hamas = Nazis. They referred to antisemitic protocols of zion tier stuff in their original charter but have since dropped all that stuff.

>>75033 so what is your message? "Love thy enemy"? or are you just part of the "generalizations are bad mkay" group?

>>75041 Flowchartposting seems like a pretty clear confirmation of their message

>>75037 >reconstruction plan Oh, cool. Another demolition for a globalist smart city/15 minute city hive like Ukraine and Maui? They really think we're all stupid. >>75038 I don't think so. In Islam, Christ is considered a prophet; Christians are thought of as "people of the Book" who may not worship God correctly, yet they are not thought of as heretics.

>>75043 If a christian neccisarily denies the authenticity of mohammed's claims though.....

>>75042 If they (and you) won't recognize my humanity why should I theirs?

>>75041 lel wtf ...........................................

Perhaps it runs some sort of SSIM on the images after the last soyjakking

>>75041 I'm part of the "not getting duped by JIDF" group.