new covid variant is cover for vax deaths

what is happening is the vaxxed are finally dying off and the governments will simply claim their deaths are because of a "new covid variant". It is the vaccine that is killing people. And they will enforce new lockdowns, and more vaccines, which will kill even more people. The vaccine is what is killing people. This new "covid variant" is simply to cover up the vax deaths and instead blame them on this fake new covid wave. The next lockdowns won't end, since the vax deaths will continue increasing. The end of the modern world is coming. The new world order awaits. If you took the vaccine already, then get right with God, now.

>>74048 It's not as dramatic, but I think it's more likely that "the vaccine" (i.e., mRNA vaccines generally) is just a case of negligence a la thalidomide, rather than a plot to change the world in itself.

>Every military vaccinated every soldier It's fun to think this is some sort of coup de grace, "Haha, all the soldiers died! No more war!" but it's just not realistic to think that intelligence would\ a) Not know about the plans of or otherwise already have owned "The Illuminati" b) Allow their force to be crippled without gaining anything equal or greater in value The vaccines aren't going to kill people, HOWEVER, they ARE killing people, "negligence a la thalidomide." I also find it likely that Covid is giving the absolute economic sway necessary to instantiate new currencies/economic systems; Control the crash, control the outcome. This would make it a clandestine facet of current military strategy, tie it to intelligence patterns of operation, and explain the massively funded counter intelligence we've been seeing throughout the duration. It's therein the most likely explanation. >>74051 >No fuarrrk hole So is it supposed to be ornamental? Do they come with an integrated alarm clock? This would be quite the bedstand.

>>74064 >Do they come with an integrated alarm clock? This would be quite the bedstand. BEEP BEEP BEEP- BOOB SLAP aaaaand back to sleep.

>>74064 don't assume everyone gets the same. With swine flu they gave a better version to military and cheap soykaf to public. Cheap soykaf caused narcolepsy in kids and they got sued for something like 800m in europe based on the knowledge they had the good stuff and choose to be cheap. I also believe thats what sparked the preemptive "you cant sue us" with covid. They learned and made sure it cant happen again. Albeit i did saw media reporting people are suing regardless now.

>>74048 If all the rich and powerful people are getting the vaccine then it's pretty clear it's not some conspiracy. As for vaccines having fatal side effects, this has been known for years now. Attenuated vaccines can have lethal side effects. It's just one of the downsides of vaccine technology, but doctors make the bet that the occasional death from a live vaccine is better than vaccinating almost no one and letting a dangerous disease rampage through the population. I get the sneaky suspicion this is just another troll post. I mean "end of the world" how can you be this stupid?

>>74089 Doctors don't "make the bet" about anything. They do what they're told in accordance with how they were taught, ie, programmed. Opinion discarded. Anyone using the word "Doctors" this way doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

>>74091 >Doctors don't "make the bet" about anything. They do what they're told in accordance with how they were taught And hedging bets are what they're taught and what's in their textbooks. What do you think a triage is? Again, if powerful people are getting vaxxed then there's clearly no malicious motive behind it. You don't give the rich and mighty something that will kill them and get away with it.

>>74092 Don't try to dance around what I stated. The real world isn't House MD. There are guidelines and regulations these people have to follow, along with certain unspoken rules. Malpractice and legal liability are drilled into them. Get blackballed too early in your career, good luck getting out from under that debt peonage.

>The next lockdowns won't end I've been hearing this for three years now and it has been wrong every single time.

Its clear as day that humanity screwed up bigtime during covid and its obvious learned nothing at all from it. People will again comply and cooperate with clearly corrupt forces and get the price they deserve for their trechery. Everyone thst took the vaccine should be thrown into a dark cold moist dungeon and left to die there of the cancers they injected. I am so glad this is all happening, humanity has shown its real colors during the last years and it deserves all the evil it spawned to consume it. There is no other way to treat humans, they are filthy, lazy moronic and lying cowards, who can never amount to anything other than being that, vax is proof of that.

>>74096 on the other hand there have been no new lockdowns so its not (yet) proven false.

schizo neet thread welcome to lainchan!

>>74051 the tits are suboptimal. imagine trying to transport that thing or trying to handle it. they invented full mastectomies decades ago, and I promise you if that brain still functions, losing her mammaries is the least of her worries.

This literally got posted on every single altchan and honestly he's just preaching to the choir since I doubt anyone who uses altchans seriously trusts the government.

>>74051 what on earth is the purpose of this other than to torture someone?

>>74133 same reason most things like this exist: sexual gratification I promise you someone somewhere is turned on by this :(

>>74136 >I promise you someone somewhere is turned on by this Unfortunate but true. It's like the internet version of "follow the money." If you have to ask why, it's because someone is getting off on it.

>>74051 I blame blind faith in science. Science is always right, so it must be made illegal to question it. Science always work, so if you can see it don't, then you are wrong, not science. Then it was completely justified to fall in obscurantism and to call it fighting disinformation. It was justified to use every trick possible to force everyone to do a thing without making it mandatory. Then it is fine if the millions of people who show what side effect they are suffering are silenced. The 0,1% of people who died of Covid and the 0,1% of vaxxed people who died of the vax are not the issue here. If Covid told me only one thing, it is that most people only have a problem with police states when the voice of authority tell them to.

I think this is the first bot spam that I've seen posted on both 4chan AND Lainchan. That's a bit worrying.

>>74128 I've been in various forms of lockdown three different times since may 2020.

>>74144 This whole debacle is because of the decline of religion - especially Christianity - in the west. As much as people try to deny it religiosity and faith is a universal human need and people need a healthy way to express it. Christianity is on the decline, nobody goes to church anymore and nobody has that outlet for their worshipfulness - and regardless of your opinions on it or the church as an institution, Christianity is inherently a healthy and productive outlet for faith. It's main tenets are literally forgiveness and living virtuously. Obviously not everyone does and obviously some people take their obsession too far and do soykaf like burn witches and hallucinate that they're the reincarnation of Jesus, but without it, you have people worshipping whatever else they can get their hands on to fill the spiritual void. Celebrities, corporations, politicians, and yeah, science.

>>74170 Sometimes this board makes me sad. What you're saying is absolutely right, but the people I'm unfortunately surrounded with are pretty much all worshipping <anything but something like a deity> and it makes it impossible to talk to them about this sort of thing. They seem content to ride this mentality to the bottom. It makes me sad. I suppose it shouldn't, since it's out of my control, but sometimes I can't help but feel. Or maybe I'm just arrogant.

>>74168 i have seen it on another imageboard, one of the deader ones

>>74170 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vatican_City "Italy's lockdown measures have been mirrored in Vatican City; tourist attractions have been closed. To avoid public gatherings and transmission of the virus, Pope Francis cancelled his regular appearances in public and will livestream them on the Internet instead.[45] "In April 2020, Pope Francis told an interviewer that the residents of Domus Sanctae Marthae were working from their rooms and that meals were now served in two shifts to allow for social distancing." In late February 2020, Pope Francis became ill with symptoms of a cold, but tested negative for COVID-19.[7] It was announced on January 14, 2021, that both he and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI had received the first dose of a vaccine.[8] They received their second dose in February."

>It's main tenets are literally forgiveness and living virtuously This is the only reason you gave for why "Christianity is inherently a healthy and productive outlet for faith." but is has a very obvious issue. You don't need to be christian to have these tenets and a lot of Christians don't actually live according to these tenets very well.

>>74266 noooo haha don't interrogate the actual outcomes of my ideology just think of it as an abstract concept haha

>>74170 Religion isn't much better. The tenets of a religion are controlled by the clergy just like how scientific facts are controlled by academics. Both can take advantage of their authority over facts to manipulate the masses.

>>74048 You promised me nanobots. No nanonots. You promised me mind control. No mind control. You promised me death. No death. Why should I believe your bullshit this time? You’re a boy crying wolf every other day, what makes this any different? How many times do I have to subject my landlord to injections before any of the soykaf you promise will happen actually happens? You’re like a broken clock!

>>74266 Christianity has a solid framework dictated by God, an immortal and omnipotent being superseding all humans. The tenets of Christianity can be taught to others, and its ideals are infallible as they are dictated by God. You can have great people who don't hold any particular belief in any form of religion, but society as a whole will not possess those select peoples' morals as there isn't any set delivery system for these concepts to be introduced to them, and they are fallible. With an atheistic society, morality is governed by humans, not God, just people. Morality comes down to a matter of opinion, ultimately you can never really establish an objective morality without God, you can try to ostracize people who stray away from the moral path outlined by that society, and penalize those who make grievous violations of it, but nothing more. Anybody is free to disagree with society's views upon morality. Of course anyone is also free to disagree with the morals of Christianity, but they've been created by something that is greater than people, that is more knowledgeable and powerful. From that being morality trickles down to humanity. God is a more solid foundation than people because God is everlasting. An atheistic society can still have a strong moral fiber. Japan was a good example, their predominant belief systems are atheistic and yet people developed ways of living honorably, valuing purity, assisting others, respecting family and nature, advancing society, providing for their communities. The values of society are not immune to change however, and as younger generations choose to reject the traditions of their forefathers they will begin to lose their very identity. Look at Japan now, I'd say they're probably doing worse in some regards than other "Christian" nations. >a lot of Christians don't actually live according to these tenets very well. This is like saying God isn't real because there are priests who molest children. It's not an argument against Christianity itself. In more recent times their insubordination to their belief system could be blamed on the degradation of Christianity, it is a declining religion.

>>74286 >could be blamed on the degradation of Christianity, it is a declining religion. didn't elaborate there. It could be blamed on the degradation of Christianity in society, the manner in which it is taught in the current day, people's adherence to the religion, their interest in it, and such, it is a declining religion. It has nothing to do with God.

>>74051 I think covid and the vaccines and covid meds are just a cashgrab by Big Pharma. They clearly didn't research the safety of the corona vaccines well enough or they simply didn't care. It is known that corona virus, vaccines (that contain the Spike protein or mRNA that is used to make it) and the so-called "long-covid" have 1 thing in common: they cause auto-immune reactions against the body. "Long-covid" is just name for auto-immune syndrome caused by aftermath of corona infection. Also, the loss of sense of smell/taste can also happen because of influenza also (https://internalmedicine.usc.edu/blog/what-can-cause-a-loss-of-taste-and-smell/), although long-covid often has other symptoms as well. Finally, here are the links that prove that the reason why corona affected some so badly and why the vaccines are just as dangerous: Rogue (auto)antibodies could be driving severe COVID-19 >https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-021-00149-1 In fatal COVID-19, the immune response can control the virus but kill the patient >https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2021128117 Traitorous COVID antibodies and fast-spreading variant >https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-021-00017-y Myocarditis With COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34281357/ Adverse effects of COVID-19 vaccines and measures to prevent them >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35659687/ When I had corona, I used OTC Bisolvon/Bromhexine tablets that got rid of mucus build up in my lungs. I can recommend it if you or someone you know has corona. It worked really well. All in all, my corona was just like a bad influenza. Noting worse but nothing less worse either (I believe it's because it mutated into much less severe virus than it was at first, in early 2020).

>>74286 >This is like saying God isn't real because there are priests who molest children. It's not an argument against Christianity itself. But it most certainly is a direct counter to your point that morals from a god are somehow superior to morals from people. Maybe you should try not straw manning with false analogies. >The values of society are not immune to change however The values of an "unchanging" god are also not immune to change. I don't have to point this out to you. Of course, you refer to this phenomenon as religious decline so as to not recognize it for what it is. >With an atheistic society, morality is governed by humans, not God, just people. Morality comes down to a matter of opinion, ultimately you can never really establish an objective morality without God For one, you can install objective morals without a god to dictate them. This is literally a philosophy 101 knowledge requirement. A great example is communism which is founded on common ownership being an objective moral good. For two, morals not being objective is a feature not a bug. It's been clear for a while that in America we are constrained by old morals trying to hold us down and most of their weight is from some people thinking they come from a god that needs to be forced on everyone else. >and as younger generations choose to reject the traditions of their forefathers they will begin to lose their very identity. While I agree that a loss of cultural identity is painful, I think it's ridiculous to conflate this with a change of social morality (which you are conflatong with traditional practices). It's very clear from this phrase that your argument kind of just boils down to blind traditionalism, though. If I had to go out on a limb, I'd say that you mostly only like the christian god because you desire that infallible authority you hype up so much. It really comes across as you just projecting your own fear of nonobjective nontraditional ideas onto the world as a universal bad. As an aside, I'd like to point out that Japan only looks atheistic to you because you understand religion from a western point of view. Religion in Japan is driven more by culture than faith (i.e. you don't need to see a priest every week to tell you what personal convictions to hold), it is typically nonexclusive (i.e. you can do shinto things AND buddhist things), and overall the nation is openly secular (i.e. more people are comfortable disregarding the religion in daily life and politics than in the west).

>>74286 Morality is a heuristic, it is never objective, but an agreed-upon set of paradigms upon which to measure ethical questions, which are contingent to the situation at hand. Christianity never had much to offer by way of a solid morality, as can be seen by all the atrocities that have been made "in the name of christ", and the fact that christians barely agree on anythint at all. The only one thing they all do agree, is that they consider jesus to be God himself.

>>74289 >morals from a god are [not obviously] somehow superior to morals from people. Shouldnt the Atheistic Humanist stance be that so-called 'morals from God' are in fact merely morals from Man? Obviously morals from God are better because God is better...but if there is no God then all of these 'moral systems' must be basically equivalent. >The values of an "unchanging" god are also not immune to change. Also false to call (Christian) God unchanging...look at the difference between Old and New Testaments, clearly there is some refining of His Rules and such, presentation of new examples, developing attitude. >morals not being objective is a feature not a bug. It's been clear for a while that in America we are constrained by old morals trying to hold us down and most of their weight is from some people thinking they come from a god that needs to be forced on everyone else. Well maybe its a bug under certain moral frameworks hahaha. >It's very clear from this phrase that your argument kind of just boils down to blind traditionalism I think there's also an element of trying to universalize criticisms of modern 'liberal' morality with all alien moralities, but in fairness this is the present danger, and it bears thinking about. There's a strong element of not simply following different practices than your great grandparents would have thought right, but explicitly rejecting your ancestors as evil. I dont know about you but in my objective and True metamoral framework moderate ancestor veneration is generally good. >[he] is conflating loss of traditional practice with loss of morality In this case they're comming hand in hand and surely you can see this.

>>74092 >Again, if powerful people are getting vaxxed then there's clearly no malicious motive behind it. Anon, I make no claims as to the validity of P nor Q, but your assertion that P implies Q is bogus. You have no guarantee that what the welfare recipients in Flint, MI were injected with is the same thing that some celebrity got injected with on tv. Just like you have no guarantee that the precompiled firefox binary you downloaded is actually compiled from the source code given on the website and not an altered version. Now, would anyone in this thread be interested in discussing additional principles of formal logic with me? Icebreakers include Godel Escher Bach, what the Tortoise said to Achilles, the Manchussen Trilemma, the undistributed middle, affirming the consequent, negating the antecedent.

>>74132 >This literally got posted on every single altchan May I ask which altchans even exist other than irochan and mathchan?

>>74292 >just audit the code the compiler itself can be infected. And naturally the decompiler also has to be compiled which means the compiler can inject blindfolds against its malware injection into the decompiler. Found this discussed in extensive detail on an ancient personal website of an old engineer writing about it dated to 90s. So idea is at least over 30 years old.

>>74294 You would be interested in reading Reflections on Trusting Trust by Ken Thompson: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf

>>74293 >mathchan Url please?

>>74292 >You have no guarantee that what the welfare recipients in Flint, MI were injected with is the same thing that some celebrity got injected with on tv. Indeed, Donald Trump probably got a different vaccine than anyone here. Do you really think all those dumb blabbermouths could actually keep a secret like that though?

>>74297 it is the first result on google. mathchan.org

>>74289 >But it most certainly is a direct counter to your point that morals from a god are somehow superior to morals from people. Maybe you should try not straw manning with false analogies. In what way is that a counter point to the morals of God? People deciding for themselves to not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ? There isn't a flaw in any moral code, there is only a decision of people not to follow them. >A great example is communism which is founded on common ownership being an objective moral good. It isn't an objective reality, it's just a view of communism. You can say the same about religion though, in terms of religion there isn't any objective morality. >It's been clear for a while that in America we are constrained by old morals trying to hold us down and most of their weight is from some people thinking they come from a god that needs to be forced on everyone else. Could you give some examples of how America's "old morals" have held people down? People feel they've somehow been liberated by shedding themselves of religion in America but people as a whole are weaker, lonelier, less healthy, less intelligent, more directionless, and sadder than they've ever been before. All within an increasingly atheistic and degeneratively hedonistic society motivated by instant gratification alone. This is attributable to far more than just a decline in religion in America but religion is certainly part of the reason as people will be more inclined to living hedonistic lifestyles which while at a glance may often appear appealing, in the long term yield no fulfillment and leave people regretful once they are incapable of continuing such lifestyles. The values which held people down have long been eliminated from society, there were pillagings committed by the colonists across the Americas, there was slavery, and women's absence of rights. Christianity doesn't promote genocide or slavery. It has been hijacked by evil people seeking to use it to actualize their own agendas, this is not an issue within Christianity alone. You could consider rather what a belief system produces when it is executed. Christianity has been an integral foundation of countless nations around the world, practically all intellectual and humanitarian advancement has occurred within Christian societies. At the same time it has also brought bloodshed, burnings, pillagings, and war. If we're going to discuss communism, communism in itself has some good ideas, but when it is initialized it always results in widespread human suffering which persists until an inevitable collapse of the communist authority. A loss of cultural identity will change social morality when the morals of society are embedded within that culture. I'm not a blind traditionalist, I don't go to church, nor do I believe that people should rely upon priests for their knowledge of their religion. I don't fear "nonobjective nontraditional" ideas either, frankly I don't even entirely believe in objective morality, although I know right from wrong. Any objectively moral beliefs held by a person which are derived from religion still remain the result of a choice within an individual to accept them. I feel if something was truly true it would be undeniable. You never explained how religion in Japan isn't atheistic, you just assume that if I say something is atheistic I think it's bad. You have some preconceived notion of what kind of person I am. No belief system is perfect, but some are better than others, and it's my opinion that Christianity in America offers a greater sense of morality than simply depending upon the opinions of other people.

>>74301 >In what way is that a counter point to the morals of God? It's not countering divine morals, it's countering your assertion that they somehow create more stable societies. >It isn't an objective reality You missed the point. Whether you agree with it or not, that doesn't change that broadly speaking communists hold common ownership of capital as an objectively positive thing. If you're going to argue about morals, please at least have a base level understanding of what these words mean. >People feel they've somehow been liberated by shedding themselves of religion in America but people as a whole are weaker, lonelier, less healthy, less intelligent, more directionless, and sadder than they've ever been before. You've failed to attribute these to atheism except circumstantially, which of course is itself false as Americans are simply becoming less integrated in organized religions as opposed to becoming overwhelmingly atheist as your claim necessitates. >All within an increasingly atheistic and degeneratively hedonistic society motivated by instant gratification alone. You've failed to show how America is "degeneratively hedonistic." >This is attributable to far more than just a decline in religion in America but religion is certainly part of the reason as people will be more inclined to living hedonistic lifestyles. You clearly don't know what hedonism means and are being overly vague about the extent to which religion plays a role in the health of America. >The values which held people down have long been eliminated from society. This is just a gob smackingly uncritical comment. Do you really believe the there are no societal values that hold people down currently? Maybe I'm in too deep to understand this point, but this is hard to take seriously. >You have some preconceived notion of what kind of person I am. You are absolutely correct. Clearly you are not that person, though. >You never explained how religion in Japan isn't atheistic I did. I can't explain it better if you don't make known what you didn't understand, though. If you want the absolute highest of high points though, Japanese religion is more thoroughly integrated into the culture than in the west while also being significantly less dogmatic.

>>74310 You yourself haven't said anything, you're just throwing softballs at my points so you don't have to try to justify any of your own beliefs. I was vague, I never said that degenerate lifestyles would be discouraged by Christianity, lifestyles people are currently leading. People in America do live hedonistic lives. If you don't see how America is degeneratively hedonistic then I don't know what I can do for you, you and I just fundamentally disagree. People are living dopamine hit to dopamine hit, in what way is that not hedonistic, that's a degenerately hedonistic lifestyle. Young people don't have ambition or direction, they're just living day by day. Let's see what's becoming more common. Well, children being sexualized on social media, drug usage (always happened just increasing), kids having sex at younger ages (always happened, just becoming more common), around 20% of generation z identifying as LGBT now which leaves you with more people who are more sexually promiscuous than a normal person, sexual fetishes becoming more common and socially acceptable (none of those things is hedonistic though), a glorification of obesity and acceptance of it, children in schools being encouraged to view themselves as transgender at an increasing rate, long term relationships becoming less common in favor of short term relationships, women selling their bodies online (not a new thing, just has become more common and acceptable). All the while Christianity in America is dying away. You have to have your head in the sand to be able to avoid any of the growing issues in America, brushing them off as isolated incidents being overblown, or you simply don't view them as issues.

>>74313 >You yourself haven't said anything, you're just throwing softballs at my points so you don't have to try to justify any of your own beliefs. It sounds like you're just mad that your beliefs don't hold much water even as you walk them back. I legitimately don't care much about American morality and public health as I'm desperately obsessed with ontology. >People in America do live hedonistic lives. If you don't see how America is degeneratively hedonistic then I don't know what I can do for you Please go and read the Wikipedia article on hedonism or something. It's not this stupid. >You have to have your head in the sand to be able to avoid any of the growing issues in America, brushing them off as isolated incidents being overblown, or you simply don't view them as issues. I recall you poking at me for making assumptions on your beliefs. What's made it so convenient for you to do it now. I'll add to this, since I know you're sweating to see it, that I do in fact think some of your points that make America "degeneratively hedonistic" are complete crap. Either because they're not degenerative (ex. increasing prominence of LGBT/sexual promiscuity) or they dont exist at all (ex. children taught to be trans in schools). Other of your points I do agree are problems, but I fail to see how are a result of cultural hedonism rather than the American breed of capitalism (and no, I'm not a communist). I think your beliefs are fundamentally misguided as they blame the current state of affairs on the body of individuals at large rather than putting most of the blame on the few who have manufactured these issues through psychological exploitation and other degrading methods. And before you say something about it, I have considered the idea that individuals have free will, and I don't think my point changes with it in mind.

>>74048 Of the ~5.5 billion people vaxxed in the world, how many would you say have died from it so far? I'm trying to get an estimation of the effectiveness of this killer death shot - any poison with an effectiveness of less than 50% would be pretty embarrassing, billions of dollars of pharma research should do better than that.

>>74315 they're all dead to me!

>>74315 mortality increased ~ 20%. Some us army doctors rang alarm because they saw it in their data. Got memory holed just like all the other crap on searches quick. The worse fate arguably is cancer. Spike inhibits dna repair which is a cute way to say it promotes cancer.

>>74315 Well there have been hundreds of excess deaths in covid vaccinated countries, the deaths aren't attributable to any particular cause, not covid, not anything, nobody pays any attention to it though. One time I mentioned this to someone and much like I expected he said that "It's only hundreds of people" as if that's not one of the most fuarrrking insane things you could ever say, like any other widely distributed drug has ever just resulted in thousands of deaths around the world every month and caused myocarditis (the previous estimate of 2/100,000 people developing it was far off, it could be as high as 2% now). To that again people will say it's "only 2%", only a 2% chance of developing heart issues which could have long lasting consequences, and which could have effected 2% of billions of people or will later effect such a group of people, but it's fine. Then there are young people dropping dead for no reason, and there is the increased commonality of heart attack and stroke. People have lost their minds. One thing is unquestionable which is that the covid vaccines are not as safe or effective as people think, they're borderline worthless especially these days for preventing transmission, were barely effective to begin with, and have only produced a massive potential for people to develop health issues in the future which remain previously unknown as the vaccines have only been around a couple of years. The spike protein can facilitate the aggregation of proteins associated with prion diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease in the brain causing neurodegeneration. Who knows whether or not there may be an increased risk of people developing diseases like Alzheimer's in the future, it seems that only recently have people begun to consider this risk. I guess we'll start to see around 7 years now since it's been almost 3 since they released these vaccines.

>>74315 the vaccine was not meant to kill people, just maim them.

>>74318 >One time I mentioned this to someone and much like I expected he said that "It's only hundreds of people" as if that's not one of the most fuarrrking insane things you could ever say Hundreds of people is within measurement error of any large country, and just having excess deaths doesn't imply a cause for those deaths. you could just as easily attribute them to "long covid" or whatever. Quite a lot of people die without ever going to a doctor to get diagnosed with anything and typically they aren't sent to a coroner. > like any other widely distributed drug has ever just resulted in thousands of deaths around the world every month Morphine, oxycodone, percocet, adderall, etc. For non-addictive drugs acetaminophen probably causes a lot of liver failure. Precise numbers don't exist of course.

>>74320 That's from abuse and misuse of pharmaceuticals, not even remotely the same issue. People don't overdose en masse on morphine in the hospital after a medical professional administers them morphine, nor do they on any other drug administered to them in a controlled environment outside of rare incidents if any, not amounting to thousands of deaths annually. People can be prescribed a drug by a doctor which then results in them developing an addiction to the drug, but people cannot be administered any other drug in a controlled environment which results in their unexpected death months after they were given the drug. Death from overdose on pharmaceuticals is not an unpredictable occurrence, it is a forseeable incident resulting from habitual abuse of drugs. If you take a large amount of a drug you know that it is going to harm you. The deaths aren't within measurement error, the measurements are incongruent with what they were immediately before the release of vaccines and the deaths in countries with low vaccination rates are within a normal range. The excess deaths in some countries are even lowering now as time grows since the latest widespread vaccine rollout.

its unfortunately the way many things work but the craziest views tend to be most loudly screamed and widely heard. A lot of people against the vaccine were talking about how by now we'd have billions dead or crippled. If you need statistics to prove it, its not a terribly obvious effect. I still dont know anyone who's died of covid, or the vaccine. One person in my extended friend group died since covid started. Neither of these things have been that serious. t. unvaxxed

>>74322 Most grounded opinion expressed yet in this thread. I'm a lot more concerned with the social effects from covid. Long-term isolation really gave everyone some collective trauma, I think, and the vaccine discourse has been a flashpoint of conflict. Plus there's the fact that pharma companies continue to profit MASSIVELY off this disaster, with a lot of help from various states, which makes it even more clear that the state is not our friend.

It's almost 2024 and you dorks are still spewing nonsense about Covid 19, 19 as in 2019. It's time to move on, like who cares. Is it that famous autistic hyperfixation in action or whatever?

>>74325 >neurosuggesting people dont obsess over soykaf 70 years ago ever heard about slavery or ww2?

>>74327 There's a difference between mind virus and an actual virus. There's more slaves than ever right now because the last time it was popular there were just 1 billion people in the world. Plus slavery is a spectrum so you could argue that the fact that US is the №1 economy is largely propped up by everyone being in some kind of debt as it is normalised and made easy to get into and not as crushing as in other places. On the other hand, some people live relatively free lives under what appears to be an oppressive regime. If your views are basically the same as the dictator and you provide value and don't cause trouble it's almost indistinguishable from freedom day to day. Nazis are much more complicated because they are constantly discussed and are perceived through a variety of lenses. Not really up to tackle them right now, need to read more first.

>>74325 >"you dorks" >"like who cares" >"autistic hyperfixation" you're no longer in elementary school bud, shaming others with prehashed phrases doesn't impress anyone. You want to forget what happened, we don't.

>>74347 this isn't about forgetting what happened it's fuarrrking needlessly bringing the bullshit of the past into the present. It's about shutting the fuarrrk up about their conspiracy theories about the vaccines that were proven fuarrrking wrong. People have been saying for years now, that a bunch of soykaf is gonna happen, or a bunch of people are going to die, because of the vaccine, and the deadline for when this soykaf is going to happen just keeps getting delayed when the deadline comes and nothing fuarrrking happens.

>>74348 >maybe if I curse a lot people will take me serious This is, aside the childish shaming and calling others names, is the only thing I need to know about you to know that you're still a child in mans body. You are obviously scared, and only driven by fear. Fear of remembering bad things that have happened, fear of "spreading conspiracy theories", fear of death and fear of discussing death or even those aforementioned conspiracy theories. You are a child, driven by fear, you have no love in your heart. I will stop responding to you now, I see your opinions are not worth discussing.

>>74348 my theories were proven right though, as every vaccinated person has worse health and has a slave mindset.

>>74348 reminder media itself predicted massive deads fearmongering into lockdowns necessary and now nobody wants to even hear about your covid case. Your type always likes to point at the craziest person they can find to scream i was right while omitting anything unfavorable which is plain annoying af.

>>74348 >This isn't about... >What it's about This is Lainchan. We aren't language magic NPCs here.

>>74314 >I think your beliefs are fundamentally misguided as they blame the current state of affairs on the body of individuals at large rather than putting most of the blame on the few who have manufactured these issues through psychological exploitation and other degrading methods. You may or may not be right, I would say all parties involved play their part of the entire performance that is our shared experience. What seems interesting to me however, is how religion instills morals that cause people to resist such exploitation. What do you need to do to exploit people anyways? Play to their desires of course. Religious people "offer themselves up to be a part of something greater." Can religious people be instructed to at least believe in and follow an authority? Interestingly freedom of religion has been a value assumed to be beneficial in the American value system. Freedom of religion translates to allowing people to disagree, one could say, because at the end religious beliefs informs the opinions of a religious person. In particular one can resist authorities, on the basis that prompting a religious person to act against their religious beliefs would cause them either to refuse or to go along, violating their conscience. This I think is why the other poster said that religion informs values. Of course there is the issue of dogma, but that is just the manipulation of a religious person within their value system, an instance of a person who believes what people of their community say. Is it bad to believe your community? After all, if you wanted to resist dogma completely you would never be able to trust anyone at all. Arguably, as social creatures we have to belong to some form of social organisation. Why not personally choose the social organisation that one personally believes to be of best service towards the continued existence and welfare of humanity. That is just what all of us are doing anyways, it seems to me, with people flocking to different preferred social organisations left and right. And are people even wrong in doing so? It is my axiomatic belief that people do what they believe to be best with what they have in the environment in which they bloomed, like a flower taking on a color it produced with what it absorbed in its life. That means I believe that people do wrong but are not wrong, although I also believe this idea stands in contrast with Christianity, where a person can sin because they have free will, thus choosing to do evil. It has become very untrendy, almost offensive to people, to personally choose to associate with the church, but as more and more time passes, I cannot see how there is any institution left to even choose as an alternative, I'm forced to admit that even though I was an atheist almost all my life, I cannot deny that religion might be the best framework to live in we have ever developed. Maybe this helps to see you the other point of view.

>>74354 There is a famous atheist preacher who championed atheism on american television that later regretted it because he undestood telling people stop going to church merely opened them up to getting hijacked by the next cult. Dude then tried to fix it but by then he fell off and nobody cared anymore what he had to say. He has a wikipedia entry about the entire life story but i cant remember his name. Way i see it modern meta is to run religious cults without advertising as such. You apply all the same tactics to build a cult but you replace the target of worship from a god to some brand or vague concept like equality while the devil gets replaced with oppression / rivaling brands. Still the same good / evil duality that gives the day structure.

>>74355 That sounds quite interesting and certainly plausible. I've been wondering about a similar thing: we like to believe we are founding our values on knowledge of objective truth, but if we probe deeper and deeper where our values come from, we find statements we just accept to be true. Whether we call them beliefs, or axioms, or whatever, they are subjective and a result of our choice. It is really no different from "choosing one's faith." Once this point becomes clear, one is finally free to consider belief systems as entities on a fair and level playing field. Suddenly the mind is free. In particular it's a pathway towards religion that is becoming increasingly common, based on my experience, but this can be a pathway towards pretty much anything. To me the important part is that people begin to believe what they are convinced they should believe, instead of believing what they are told to believe. Put another way, people reject religion because they want to be free from dogma, but in doing so reject religion based on dogma. It's ironic and even poetic. There is a lot of work to be done to free the mind and find the courage to see the world as we experience it, not keeping the filter on the glasses put in place by others.

>>74355 >There is a famous atheist preacher What's his name? >>74388 >Whether we call them beliefs, or axioms, or whatever, they are subjective and a result of our choice. It is really no different from "choosing one's faith." Once this point becomes clear, one is finally free to consider belief systems as entities on a fair and level playing field. Suddenly the mind is free. I think there is a qualitative difference between honest self-reflection and choosing something to believe, and religosity which requires a "leap of faith" besides just believing in the truth of some statements.

>it's covid election variant season again

>>74288 Also: >"The efficiency of delivery of DNA vaccines is often relatively low compared to protein vaccines." >https://doi.org/10.1007%2F978-1-4939-0410-5_12

No, it's not. At this point if you were going to die from it you probably would have already. Coronavirus is a family of virus, and covid-19 was a weaponized form of coronavirus(aka the common cold.) a virus that kills fast doesn't spread well. So it's mutated back into another regular-ass cold that's not worth worrying about. What the governments are trying to do by making a big deal about it is cover their collective asses and convince the people that covid is/was a real threat and they aren't just tyrants. Which they are.

Dumb conspiracy theories for dumb people. It's like no one even bothered to take notice there was three different types of vaccines for covid-19. Not just mRNA but also viral vector and an inactivated sars-cov2 though that one i dont know when Novavax was available it wasnt when i looked originally. All the potential negatives were just more mild versions of the same thing the virus does.

>>76209 One bit I forgot to mention. I am not suggesting there werent some issues i had and still have with the mRNA vaccines such as them using PEG instead of the usual polysorbate80 which may explain some people having anaphylaxis since an allergy to PEG is more common than polysorbate80 i assume though structurally they are similar. Also I am still not so sure on the lipid transport system but i also didnt heavily read into it, it may be not an issue

Why am I not dead then? I got every vax and booster. I'm still here.

Stallman took all the boosters, he was very pro clotjuice Now he's got clot cancer RIP

>>74048 >If you took the vaccine already, then get right with God, now. You know what? Bet. I'm going to bookmark this thread. I got all the covid shots. I don't take proper care of myself, I don't exercise, and I'm an alcoholic. If I'm still alive from this post to another year, I'll find your ass and murder you myself. You in?

There seems to be a lot of people on this site who took the fauci ouchy, wonder what kind of people hang around here The programming board is what brought me to this site

>>76247 moron, the virus wasn't harmless. The worst listed side effects were cardiovascular issues and "inhibited dna repair" which is a nice way to say increased cancer risk. >>76209 There is no deadline for dying due to your decision to take shots. Cancer might kill you a decade down the line without a clear link of the cause. Its the exact same soykaf as playing russian roulette. Statistically most should survive but that doesn't make it a good decision to play.

>>76309 >There is no deadline for dying due to your decision to take shots. IDK, people seem to keep saying that we'll see bajillions of people die any day now.

>>76310 there was a 20% increase in mortality. Increased dead's already happened. Was some army doctors who rang alarm cause their database showed it clearly.

>>76309 >moron, the virus wasn't harmless. Did you reply to the wrong post ? I wasn't saying all the vaccines were equal I was saying if someone has issue with one there were two other types.

>>76311 The global data of all cause mortality for each year it started rising for first time in many decades once Sars-cov-2 came around and before there were vaccines available to anyone anywhere.

>>74288 >>74472 Yes, amongst other things, it's a cash grab. The Pharmaceutical Industry made somewhere around 100 billion (100.000.000.000) with the COVID-19 vaccines alone. Now that was just initially. People who took it and continued taking the booster, will continue to get their shots every season, which is a financially sound business model. However, there's much more money to be made! Know that before COVID-19 vaccines, mRNA-type vaccines - which is the most used type of vaccine - wasn't widely tested. mRNA-vaccines are a hot topic in the industry, because with it, very specific ailments, specific to the body of those who've been administered it, can be targeted. So the industry was aching for a big pilot study in order to test its efficiency, and the data they've been able to collect has been very insightful for them. With mRNA-vaccines, the believe is that immortality is in reach, and because most people fear death - vaccinated people the most of all - that's a market which can earn them well over 100 billion dollars. Now you see that governments worldwide - Japan being the most recent one - mRNA-vaccines have finally been pushed through as accepted. In the case that the vaccines do cause side-effects - which is highly likely: a recent article on Nature discovered that the unwanted production of proteins by the body was a side-effect of the COVID-19 vaccines -, much more money can be made with injections targeting those specific ailments that will arise from people who took the vaccine. And the industry has got its guinea pigs on which they can further test mRNA-vaccines. And if those who got vaccinated die, it's not a problem since most guinea pigs die (and humanity has been well overdue for its necessary culling). And those who will survive, will be able to reap the fruits and live forever. A bright future awaits!

>>74314 >I think your beliefs are fundamentally misguided as they blame the current state of affairs on the body of individuals at large rather than putting most of the blame on the few who have manufactured these issues through psychological exploitation and other degrading methods. People are absolutely to blame in part for not being better as humans. All of the narratives behind the scams being pulled to rope people further into technological slavery are so flawed that I really cannot see the masses as being completely blameless in the face of the state of the world. It doesn't take high intelligence to see beyond it all, the cause is not purely deterministic, everyone has the power to not play into the hand of the elites controlling them. That doesn't mean that anyone should be attacking another common man, regardless of their identity, people should really be looking beyond identity and focusing upon the elites that control the world and have been driving it into the ground for over a century now, but they don't, they instead decide to ostracize and persecute people who preach for unity, tear them down, kill them even, and tear each other apart like animals. I mean that is a common theme throughout history among famous martyrs, terrible people getting killed don't (usually) become martyrs. Typically there are peaceful people working toward something positive, usually a unification of people, getting killed. The people really are suckers, but at least more people are beginning to see through all of the bullshit being projected at them now. I mean it wouldn't even be hard to produce positive change in the world, simple non-compliance would do it, if everyone just decided to stop paying taxes and focus on their local communities more than the world beyond their vision being projected to them via the internet through censored and manipulated social media platforms.

>>76315 lmao fake vac solved nothing, been long shown it was not even protecting you for more than a few months. Even post vac you ran around without protection regardless how many shots you got because you certainly didnt get one every 3 months.

So there's finally research surfacing and being reported on in some minor media, that the vaccine does cause side-effects. https://www.fox13news.com/news/covid-vaccine-side-effects-gvdn-study What will happen now?

>>77851 >everyone knew it was an experimental drug >you took it voluntarily knowing the risks >no one forced you to do it >if everyone hadn't taken it then hundreds of millions more would have died

>>77851 Mass trauma ritual continues. they switch over to aerial pathogen dispersion and electromagnetic weapons, then blame it all on covid or the vaccines. Every camp has their explanation and they're all wrong.

>>74315 Math says 7-14 million people have died from those shots. Those are current conservative estimates. Serious adverse effects not (yet) resulting in death are much, much higher. This is where all the cases of pericarditis and myocarditis fall. But those are death sentence diagnoses, so the numbers will keep rising for several more years.

>>77858 >Math says 7-14 million people have died from those shots. What math? Show your work. >>77854 >aerial pathogen dispersion and electromagnetic weapons those are old tech. It was all "leaked" years ago (Donaldsen Papers -- look it up) which means they aren't used any more. It's all a front for neutrino-based mind control. They've been doing experiments with it for years. Those "detectors" are actually emitters. How else do you explain my erectile dysfunction?

>>77862 Nope, it's still in use. If you mean some vague sort of manipulation based on precognition and some notion of the delay of the baryonic vs tachyonic, you'll have to make your case for that. I'm so sick of dealing with you creeps. That's really the only word for it, creep. Your response is creepy. It's weird. You're fuarrrkin' weird.

>>77863 >Nope, it's still in use. Suuure, next you'll tell me that they still bug people's landline phones. >you're fuarrrkin' weird my guy, have you never used an imageboard before?

>>77862 Since 2008. People didn't used to be like you. You're pure noise. You're not cute, you're not clever, you're not trolling, you're just some kick around goddamn nuisance. Beat it.

>>77866 >since 2008 oh soykaf, we got moot himself over here! >people didn't used to be like you People didn't used to be like you either. I mean, look at yourself, you actually believe what you read. >you're just some kick around goddamn nuisance But I'm *your* goddamn nuisance.

>>77867 What are you even talking about? Your brain is so cooked you think your mishmash of presuppositions is part of a shared reality. It's not. You're fuarrrked up and have nothing to do with me, I reject you completely. If you want to talk about things, go right ahea.d If you want to be a bit meta, it is tolerable. If you want to discuss personas, you should shut the fuarrrk up and beat it.

>>77868 >What are you even talking about? Your brain is so cooked you think your mishmash of presuppositions is part of a shared reality. Projecting much? >I reject you completely Very cool >If you want to discuss personas, you should shut the fuarrrk up and beat it. Who's discussing personas? I'm pretty sure you are. Ah who am I kidding. It's less fun when I know it's just a bot.

>>77869 Well, you got it wrong. It's boring when I know it's just a hollowed out hypersocialized moron. Like all of them, defective.

>>77864 >they don't bug people's landline phones anymore I know not srsbsness but: well, uh, about that, it's more that they finished bugging all of them, if you will

>>77874 They don't need phones at all to monitoring what enters your senses throughout the day. They can use the vibration of your house wiring the amplify infrasound in recordings, and likewise they can create interference patterns by vibrating your house wiring. I don't know their means of pickup (it could be the ionosphere) but something like this is clearly happening.

>>77875 And yes, I'm aware of all the typos. Drank a lot of kava and feel intense shame that it's 1 am and I haven't even started my fire, much less gotten anything tangible done. The fact that I've spent even 30 seconds responding to this retarded creature >>77869 is a sort of primordial failure. A failure of existence itself. Wrong on every level. And I'd better remember this quick and stop forgetting. Also why the hell can't 4chanx have a post timer for this soykaf. I don't want to wait 5 minutes and keep this in the back of my mind to submit, wtf. I barely give a soykaf as it is.

>>77874 The joke is that most people don't even have landline phones any more. >>77875 Lmao I couldn't have written it better myself. Kudos.

>>77851 I decided to do a bit of cursory and adjacent reading on the study and typed my conclusions below. >"This multi-country analysis confirmed pre-established safety signals for myocarditis, pericarditis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. Other potential safety signals that require further investigation were identified." So little is news. Indeed each result of the specific conditions observed are correlated with previous studies on the side effects of the vaccines, too numerous to list here. The data gathered here just corroborates previous studies on the side effects of COVID vaccines, so it seems OP has been out of touch with the medical academic community when he said the research is 'finally surfacing' on the side effects of the vaccines. But let's analyze those results, anyway. To me, the side effects that caught my eye were a dozen neurological conditions and heart diseases. Let's dig into the neurological conditions with the highest rates of increased frequency: Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, or ADEM, is an inflammation of the nervous system. Patients with the mRNA vaccine had an OE ratio of ADEM of 3.78. That means they presented the condition 3.78 more often than expected from the general population. Guillain-Barré Syndrome, GBS, is a disorder where the autoimmune system attacks the nervous system, causing muscle weakness and paralysis. The Astra Zeneca vaccine has the highest OE ratio of this from the sampled vaccine patients, of 2.49. This appears to be worrying. Certainly something to note. However, these conditions have been observed side effect of several vaccines prior to COVID. >"Post-vaccination ADEM has been associated with several vaccines such as rabies, diphtheria–tetanus–polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, Japanese B encephalitis, pertussis, influenza, hepatitis B, and the Hog vaccine." (Huynh W et al., 2008 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7125578/) >"A very small fraction of people can develop Guillain–Barre syndrome due to vaccines and vaccinations like a meningococcal vaccine, poliovirus vaccine, influenza vaccine, and rabies vaccine." (Wajih Ullah M et al, 2018 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6010361/) And the usual rate of ocurrence of these is extremely rare by themselves. GBS occurs in 2 of 100,000 people worldwide, for instance. Extremely rare, as in, that's 0.000002% of the population, which we can extrapolate to be 0.00007% of Astra Zeneca vacinees, according to the study. The more alarming numbers to me come from the increased chance of myocarditis and pericarditis, which are inflammations of heart muscle. We see the OE ratio of myocarditis rise up to a maximum 6.1 in patients with the second mRNA shot, that means people with two mRNA shots developed the condition six times more often than the average (but the rate drops substantially after the third dose, interestingly). But these conditions, too, have historically been correlated with both the viruses themselves and their vaccines. Notably, a study on the Smallpox vaccine from 2018 found that more than 10% of patients vaccinated with the Smallpox vaccine experienced new-onset dyspnoea, chest pain or palpitations, symptoms of inflammatory heart disease ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4368609/), that is an OE ratio of over 600 for the symptoms, so 600 times more common - and from the 1000 vaccinated patients with complete followup, 4 were diagnosed with myocarditis and 1 with pericarditis, which is a frequency 200 times (!!) larger than the statistical average. The smallpox vaccine is a bit of an outlier, but the point to take away is that the these side effects have commonly presented in the followup of viral vaccines in the past, and aren't exactly unexpected to be observed in vaccines such as the ones made for COVID. Does this mean that outlets are lying about the side effects of the COVID vaccine being 'rare'? Not necessarily. >"Patone et al. estimated extra myocarditis events to be between one and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection period." That study by Patone et al. presents pretty damning evidence that the vaccines actually prevent those side effects from occurring more often than they cause them. That's if you're not inclined to disbelieve all academic studies on the field as lies, of course. In which case, I don't know what to tell you. If you think the world is burning and people are dying in droves just outside your window, because "it just is, okay?" Overall, the paper did not convince me the vaccine is about to exterminate the human race, which left me sorely disappointed. I got briefly excited that my apocalypse survival plan would turn out to be useful. Give it a few more decades, I guess.

>>77875 ok cool good talk peace out thx >>77877 >The joke is that most people don't even have landline phones any more. Yeah I'm with you there. The rest of the punchline will very soon be that POTS doesn't even exist anymore. And the dark-humor under-layer is that they don't bug single landlines anymore because the glowies already intercept and mirror all of it anyway in classified rooms at the central offices with no handles on the doors, containing mysterious equipment installed by men in black bearing extremely intimidating and very serious national security letters

>>77881 >ok cool good talk peace out thx Retard, listen up, this is the problem. You people who just got into this in covid don't know what you don't know. I started on this well over 10 years ago. Don't you find it suspicious the media fed you the prism narrative via snowden? They didn't have to.

>>77882 Cool story bro and/or stfu acolyte, I was on Totse learning how to disappear forever, how to detect and evade surveillance, the truths of the black helicopters, the real motives behind fluoridation, the secret menu on Coke machines that THEY don't want you to know about, the arcane secrets of sex with dolphins, and "DA ART OF BURGING" all while learning no less than two dozen ways to blow my own hand off or electrocute myself using only my own ingenuity and whatever supplies I could find around the house, and otherwise reading a steady stream of the best paranoid skitzery of the day, likely many years before the chain of events that would eventually lead by some mildly miraculous chance to your inadvertent birth were even set in motion. So what, you don't see me jacking off all over everyone about it. Sorry if you're just doing a bit or something, I have one other post in this thread from today (or any time in the past couple of weeks at all) so whether it's because you're unhinged or because you're on too many layers of irony, I don't know what the fuarrrk you're talking about or who you think I am. TTFN

For anyone here who has not yet been mindbroken by [REDACTED] (or is a [REDACTED] himself), it's worth looking into "Cognitive infiltration"

>Mounting evidence indicates that these vaccines, like many others, do not generate sterilizing immunity, leaving people vulnerable to recurrent infections. Additionally, it has been discovered that the mRNA vaccines inhibit essential immunological pathways, thus impairing early interferon signaling. Within the framework of COVID-19 vaccination, this inhibition ensures an appropriate spike protein synthesis and a reduced immune activation. Evidence is provided that adding 100 % of N1-methyl-pseudouridine (m1Ψ) to the mRNA vaccine in a melanoma model stimulated cancer growth and metastasis, while non-modified mRNA vaccines induced opposite results, thus suggesting that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines could aid cancer development. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0141813024022323

>>79822 that explains a lot. i guess it's kinda over for me now. at least i do not have anyone to blame, because the mrna vaccine was forced on every one of us back then.

>>79823 nobody forced you, unless you were pinned down and injected. if you didn't know any better then i'm sorry for you, now you know to not do stupid stuff. and there are plenty of people responsible, the institutions that created covid and released it, and produced the vaccines, and enforced the lockdowns.

>>79824 >nobody forced you American? Here in third world they just said either vaccine or go die starving, because you'd loose your job and wouldn't be able to even enter any of the state establishments. Out in the cold, literally, with no means for survival whatsoever. You Americans are so funny. It is fascinating to observe you thinking that you actually get a say.

I had the J&J adenovirus based vaccine years ago by now and have had no negative effects and I still have caught covid or any illness, though I also dont go out a lot and I wash my hands frequently. In fact I oddly had a positive side effect that lasted a short period where I didn't feel depressed as much as usual for a few days. No idea what could have caused that and I doubt it was a placebo effect because I didn't feel particularly great getting a vaccination for anything but took my time researching and picking what i thought was better supported and the technology made more sense to me the logic behind it. Meanwhile a friend of mine was hospitalized from not being vaccinated and catching covid-19 and having trouble breathing> Another I know had a family member die all in her family not vaccinated. Im not dead or sick.

>>79835 That was the one I took, too. Particularly, I went for it because there had been actual adenovirus vaccines out there prior to COVID and was not completely brand new (see Ebola virus vaccine), which meant that there was a higher chance of having immunity that lasted. However, I will never touch a single mRNA vaccine. fuarrrk that soykaf. The one person I know who got all the mRNA shots had COVID 3+ times. To be honest, taking the vaccine has been a major regret for me. I am deeply ashamed that I let myself be pressured by my family. I'm glad you haven't seen any negative effects, and I have not either, so far, but because nothing is visible, it doesn't mean that there isn't something there. I feel retarded because of J&J's bad track record with this kind of stuff.

>>79835 >>79841 It makes me feel bad seeing people get lost in minutia like this. They only offered all these choices because they knew some people would only take the jab if they had the illusion of choice, and avfter taking a lay of the land, could choose one that seemed safer and more traditional. And they would feel smarter for doing so, which plays to the ego and enhances temptation to simply submit. Best case scenario this was all a shell game and they rearranged society and made a bunch of money injecting you with saline. Worst case all the jabs contained everything wanted, whether they were flash frozen and kept at negative 0^eleventy gajillion kelvin or not. Every time someone islike "yeah I just got the J&J" I'm like uuugghhhh.... ffs.

>>79842 i remember at the time i considered the j&j vaccine when i was being forced into to take one, so i went and read up on how it works off of their website, and then immediately decided i would never take that either. in the end i never took anything. it's just a more convoluted version of the mrna vaccines, if i remember correctly you have a modified adenovirus infect your cells and inject dna into the nucleus of cells which is later transcripted to mrna by your system and is passed around through your system causing cells to produce the spike protein.

>>79845 Yeah, they're all some stupid soykaf you don't want in you. I remember being really fixated on plasmids and other means of getting material into the nucleus for reverse transcription back in the day. And I also recall watching the electroporation based vaccines go into trials. I mean there was no way I'd take their mystery injections regardless, even if they can basically aerolize lipid nanoparticles and get soykaf into you through inhalation and skin contact anyway. This is going to be an extreme problem going forward. Look into PDLNPs, QS-21 / Matrix M (literally a gematria pi joke, matrix = 31 pythagorean, M = 13=1+3=4, ie they're lipid nanospheres and their name is 314, I mean come on). They want to load them into mosquitos, spray them on plants for direct nutrient delivery bypassing the soil uptake mechanisms, etc. fuarrrk these people. When have they ever improved anything for anyone. Every little toy they make fuarrrks up more than it solves because they're irresponsible psychopathic children under the direction of the predator-parasite class which is clinically insane. Going anywhere near the medical industrial complex for any reason, is clinically insane. If you trust doctors you8 are tragically insane and it's horrible seeing what they've done to people.

>>79846 Allegedly various govs are trying to develop genetic weapons by targeting dna differences between ethnicities. I cant find the video again but i saw an army general describe this as an ongoing project in an interview on yt. Im a fan of the whole "civilization resets idea" and got me wondering if its not gonna lead to a wipeout from which some remote tribal society will inherit the planet. Maybe it even already happened in past because homo sapiens collectively carries an ancestral rna virus remains in our dna.

>>79842 >>79845 >>79846 It is a technology that had been used since the 80s for preventing rabies in wild animals including chimpanzees and was previously used for a much worse virus Ebola. It also used the same ingredients you normally find in vaccines while the mRNA ones used some form of polyethylene glycol likely because the temperature it had to be stored at, which is similar to the polysorbate80 often used but some people are allergic to one but not the other, some both. >>79848 Which has nothing to do with this. CRISPR Cas 9 and Cas 12 is what you need for genetic manipulation which is best available currently. There is no manmade retrovirus. >ancestral RNA virus It's called a retrovirus. Covid isnt a retrovirus and neither is any vaccine. Doing such a thing would be quickly discovered. For example HIV is a retrovirus, but HIV doesnt pass on from mother or father to child through genetics. https://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/is-hiv-genetic Though entire reason mammals even exist is because of a virus but im thinking it likely wasnt an ordinary case of a retrovirus infection, so you would have been born from an egg without it for example which came before humans but it would have drastically changed the evolutionary path where humans may have never came to exist or at least would look very different. But most other cases it is thought this leftover DNA doesnt do anything good or bad but no one is sure. Here is a simple explanation here. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/mammals-made-by-viruses

>>79849 covid's issues were quickly discovered. Did the public take notice? No. Information was censored. Most still dont know that spike causes cancer.

>>79849 i'm aware the concept is old, what they haven't done previously is program your body to produce the most harmful component of a pathogen.

>>79852 They did, live vaccines existed previously for example giving people live cowpox viruses to immunize from smallpox so that isnt new and this isnt even that. The sars-cov-2 virus itself isnt actually harmful in itself. The harm mostly comes from the immune system's response to it and the immune system has a weaker response to the vaccine produced spike proteins than sars-cov-2 because the overall structure is different most likely but if not the sars-cov-2 virus is free to replicate while the vaccines were designed to be unable to replicate on their own after they infect a few cells. It just so happens only a few years ago did scientists learn any virus or vaccine reprograms the bodies innate immune system not just the adaptive immune system as previously thought, so some people mistakenly attributed it to the covid-19 vaccines when that was always the case for anything that infects the body.

>>79857 they specifically used cov to punch through rna vaccination because it got blocked deemed unsafe before. Thats why they also blocked any alternatives - it would have been illegal to use rna vacc if an alternative existed.

>>79857 >They did, live vaccines existed previously for example giving people live cowpox viruses Future opinions discarded.

>>79857 how do you even lie like this? your existence must be sad.

>>79875 There's something borderline....... supernatural about it. That manner. and type, of lying. Even if it's a bot. Whenever you see a post bring up innoculation memes like cowpox, or use the words "sars-cov2", you know it's either a bot or someone with something wrong with them. It's a type of repetition based brainwashing for the purpose of forced recall due to prior engagement. They want to get the words in your head, to make them real. Hate it.

>>79882 >people making posts with contrary opinion to mine must be supernatural lmao, listen to yourself bud

>>79882 look if youre talking about vaccines its reasonable to talk about cowpox. Doesn't mean that guy is true and honest. >>79857 >the virus isnt harmful in itself, harm comes from immune system response this seems true until you think about grids and then you realize that its just the symptoms of a good immune system that you usually associate with all sorts of diseases are there because otherwise the disease is awful in a bunch of different ways. sometimes immune system kills you in process of trying to help, ok, but viruses do actually kill by themselves.

>>79883 All of your replies are predictable. You're always looking for an angle. You didn't choose your reply, I did. Let that sink in, imagine the meme in your head too.

>>79885 How about you prove it? Post the encrypted text of my reply, then I make my reply, then post the key. >You're always looking for an angle. You're easily prodded for laughs. That's about it, friend.

>>79886 Every reply just further proves my point, even if you can't see it. That's not how it works. There's a tree with various probabilities attached and you never deviate from it. You never give me something outside my probability tree, ie from MY perspective your mind is a subset of mine. That's it. It's nothing more, nothing less.

>>79886 Your sigil makes me think of a new moon btw. I suppose it's also a fleur de lis variant, or precursor. The crossover point... two merging, crossing paths briefly, and separating. Though if you extend their courses it would be infinitely repeating. Broken circles. Have to think about it. I hate this post cooldown thing. I'm not waiting 5 fuarrrkin' minutes to give a simple addendum.

>>79887 Big claims, no proof. Maybe because you can't prove it. Maybe because your BS about a 'probability tree' is literally just a description of how information exchange works. *yawn*. Maybe another day. I won't post in this thread again without my tripcode, which I'll probably forget. >>79888 it's a hand.

>>79889 No proof is needed. I can trace out what is already within me and generate your output by talking to myself. All you're doing is slightly tweaking the probabilities. Other than that it's basically like a call to rand(), it's taking my current state and rehashing old data depending on the seed it's fed, which is your role. No good.

>>79823 What does the post explain? Did you get recurrent COVID-infections or is there something worse going on? >>79882 The arguments aren't even coherent: it's just some smart sounding mumbo jumbo which the average reader glosses over and accepts because it sounds smart. I don't hate it. It just perplexes me that someone is able to string together a lie as this and thinks it's of benefit.

>>80007 it isn't smart, what he said makes no sense at all and only served to prove my point, i say they've never programmed people's bodies to produce the most harmful element of a pathogen, he says they've used live vaccines before. ok...?

>>80009 We are in agreement. What I meant to say was that the arguments are incoherent, which is masked by using some smart words. Is it a bot we're talking to? It sure does sound as it is.

>>80007 >>80009 >>80010 It's the type of thing that a bot produces. Simple as. Literal or biobot. People compare NPD to biological AI, blind quasi-autistic pattern matching and imitation. Maybe NPD is just NPC though.

>>79858 The fuarrrk is the MA vaccine? Does it vaccinate us from people from Massachusetts? Lol You must be who keeps mentioning MMA but i cant even find a vaccine by that name it comes up MMR in correction. What are you even talking about? >>79874 Why? You didnt explain anything. >>79875 If it is a lie why are you incapable of pointing a single thing out? No one lies when they have nothing to gain from it. The fact all of you have the same posting style of broad statement one liners with nothing backing them up in post, it would not surprise me if you are all same person to back up your own lack of valid criticism. >>79882 What kind of argument is this even? >>80007 >>80009 One cant actually pretend to be smarter than they are. However if one is less intelligent than someone explaining, what they say becomes incoherent to the less knowledgable. That's your problem if you dont understand and won't ask for anything cleared up for you. Work on your reading comprehension, and get some education. I can't teach you medicine in a few posts when you won't even explain what you don't understand. >>80009 Okay so that explains it. You apparently dont know how viruses work. Viruses work by infecting cells programming them to reproduce. Live vaccines meaning they contain active viruses have been done before for a long time. The only new part was the delivery system for the mRNA vaccines and instead of harvesting and cultivating viruses they were manmade virus like system that infects cells but doesnt reproduce itself where it can infect more cells just produce spike proteins. >>80010 Schizo posting isnt going to cover up for your lack of an education.

>>80013 no, you're arguing semantics now, what i said is that they have not programmed people's bodies to produce a harmful component of a pathogen, namely the covid spike protein. i'm not talking about live virus vaccines, you're steering the discussion into this field, i'm talking about vaccines being used to program people's bodies to produce a harmful component of a pathogen. please stop avoiding the subject matter.

>>79884 > this seems true until you think about grids and then you realize that its just the symptoms of a good immune system that you usually associate with all sorts of diseases are there because otherwise the disease is awful in a bunch of different ways. >sometimes immune system kills you in process of trying to help, ok, but viruses do actually kill by themselves. Had missed this post. I dont know what you mean by "grid" here. What was spoken of was only about the virus that causes covid-19. Im just stating the information I remember from back then on how the virus causes problems. Do you know why bats were able to carry the virus and also carried the more deadly SARS and Ebola viruses without dying? Bats have a weak immune system and good repair genes that fix damage so they are able to be carriers of many deadly viruses including rabies without having much effect on them. You see what happens is the immune system goes wild with some viruses more than others which causes the body to accidentally destroy itself. This is unlike say for example being infected with a bacteria that produces toxins such as Botulinum toxin, you know, bad food causing botulism.

>>80014 I wasn't really arguing against that. I was just saying while that part is new it isn't entirely new but very old and I was suggesting the problem with how you said "most dangerous part" which is based on, what? So it isnt a semantic argument.

>>80013 >The fuarrrk is the MA vaccine? Does it vaccinate us from people from Massachusetts? Lol > reads r n a as ma outstanding expert lmao

>>80025 Like I said, it's just weird. There is an unnatural component to the whole dialogue. It's not believeable or human level behavior, even if it imitated an noptical mistake there was a lack of intelligence behind it so it can't self correct. It just just blindly constructs statements on reflex, pattern matching and using lines that have probably worked previously, but it doesn't actually understand why. It's soulless, mind blind. These things are everywhere now and they never used to be, like their post was beyond dumb. I'm not even saying that to be mean, it's literally a "what is wrong with you" or "are you okay" moment. Just so fuarrrkin' dumb in this surrealist absurdist way.

I'm just happy I didn't take any of it. My colleagues are max boosted and are often getting sick. Meanwhile, aside from some loss of sanity due to the relentless social pressure against the control group over those couple years and the little bit of social life that I had prior, I'm feeling fine and haven't been get sick. >>79835 Washing your hands, getting your sun light and generally being a neet and avoiding people appears to have been enough not to get the flu. So within the first couple of weeks of taking the jab that's likely just coincidental and after that it's merely superstitious due to it losing most of its effectiveness and possibly only leaves you with a diminished immune system at which point you better keep washing your hands and avoiding people. And choosing to have your own body cells produce the spike protein as opposed to living with the low chance of catching it, that's just seems silly. But hey, Pfizer needed their guinea piggies.

>>80031 I haven't noticed any correlation at all between whether somebody is vaccinated and whether they're getting sick. One thing that's for sure though, people are getting sick more often, usually not from covid. Maybe its because I don't give a soykaf whether anyone else is vaccinated.

>>80025 It's the font on my end. Lowercase or rn together in that order when not on a large sized font looks almost exactly like a lower case m in many fonts and you very well should already know that If you actually regularly post on Lainchan on any board other than here since it's a common tactic of phishing websites. >>80027 It's unnatural to you because you spend way too much time on imageboards where people speak in memes so when someone speaks human you don't know how to react. That's assuming if you aren't just being entirely disingenuous intentionally pulling out ad hominens instead of addressing anything of value said. Which regardless of if intentional, that is what you are doing. Work on your social skills and paranoia for everyone's sake.

>>80034 Lain, you don't think you speak in memes because you are a meme. You're so thoroughly in a meme bubble that you've begun to think your behavior is human.

>>80036 Thanks for proving my point

>>80041 I wanted to just mirror what you said but it will not allow me to to post.

>>80013 You are trying to steer the conversation away from the subject that was introduced here >>79822 and do this through insults and acting like a bully, something which bad actors here on lainchan often seem to do. You're not really worth the time or effort to converse with, so my conversation with you ends here. ___

OP the vaccine is fine and you're not going to die.

>>80464 Correct. It's safe and effective

>>81381 why are we still having propaganda 6 years later? cope by idiots who took it?

6 years on and the antivax nuts are still bumping this thread. Vaccine living in your head rent free lol

>>81385 >why are we still having propaganda 6 years later? Pharma corpos will never admit to any wrongdoing because the resulting court cases would end them. So the billionaires who own the media will continue lying to protect the profits of the billionaires who own the pharmaceutical corporations. I certainly know some people who have had health issues after taking the experimental MRNA treatment but we're not seeing the widespread death and carnage the worst conspiracies have predicted. To be fair though the people pushing the vax are also on the side of diversity equity and inclusion. Maybe the plan really was to kill off half the population of "useless eaters" but they fired all the straight white men so they couldn't get the deadly injection to work properly.

>>81387 I've seen several cases of anti vaxxers with unvaccinated parents that died from covid. It really is bizarre the lengths some people go.

>>81428 ive seen fraudci admit it kills kids cause he hates them totally trust me brah

>>81385 My post was sarcastic, which admittedly is a hard thing to transmit over the Internet. >>81387 It is the biggest attempt of genocide I know of. Paired with the blatant lies of Legacy Media, Government officials and Pharmaceutical Institutes is something I will never forget.

Sorry, but this is Lainchan, where users tend to have a little more intelligence than average. If you want to try to spread moronic anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, you'll have to find dumber sorts of people. Maybe try 4chan?

>>81457 my man some natives are firmly convinced they're not being retarded which is a pity and takes all the fun out of it

>>81459 everyone loud thinks they are a genius which is part of the problem.

>>81431 I have literally no reason to make this up. I meant two people i know. I also know of a woman who wasnt vaccinated and still has fatigue from she had covid, she gets tired very easily. I have yet to meet anyone with medical problems that popped up right after vaccinated. Not one.

>>81462 >no reason outside convincing people with lies >i know noone with issues obvious lie since even news reporters had an epidemic of falling over during live broadcasts and young sports people crashed in droves, even a hermit with no friends would've seen what's up

>>81463 But then you lack an argument for why. Why would i bother lying for pharma industry i hate and government i hate? > obvious lie since even news reporters had an epidemic of falling over during live broadcasts and young sports people crashed in droves, even a hermit with no friends would've seen what's up What kind of Alex Jones garbage is this.

>>81465 >official press releases about sports people crashing >live tv shows still on yt >comparing to alex jones getting desperate since lazy lying failed?

>>81466 You did nothing to link that with any vaccine and didnt even cite a single source still.

>>81468 >dude trust me brah my relatives totally >yeah i need sources lmao

>>81469 So that's a no on the source. So much for it being something anyone would know. You're not talking about a personal anecdote so it shouldnt be difficult. It's unreasonable to expect someone to provide proof of an anecdote but not unreasonable to ask for a source of something someone claims is widespread known.

>>81434 >My post was sarcastic, which admittedly is a hard thing to transmit over the Internet. "Look how rational and collected I am. I am humble, open, capable of self reflection, and responsible." Look at me. Look at me. Look at me And see what I want you to see