I loathe entropy

I cannot stand entropy, If humans died or cannot take the mantel and no other Shepard can take our place all sentience that we know of would be gone in a billion years. If it turns out there is nothing after death but the void should we not spend every waking hour fighting that undeniable steady decay into meaningless dust? By spreading as far and wide as possible humanity could continue to preserve some form of sentience and creation long past earths eventual return to the cold cosmic scales of time. My biggest personal fear is losing what little knowledge I have gained with my spark of life before I actually die, but being aware that our species omnibus of knowledge will most likely be gone not long after myself in relation to any meaningful amount of time to the forces of entropy makes the fear of loss simultaneously easier yet much more terrifying. I propose to you fellow lainons, do you fear we (as a whole) will die as a brief combustion in a vast mechanical marvel before sputtering out and rusting to nothingness? Or do you believe in a future as the cockroaches of the universe, able to continue to stand as a bulwark against nothingness for ages and ages to come?

>>73017 The thing about "nothingness" is it can never hurt you unless you think about it before the void comes. To think implies cognitive stimulation, stimulation implies the presence of "something", and "nothing" can't exist where there's "something". So only one of two things can be true, nothing doesn't exist, or you won't exist when it comes. Either way, what's there to be scared of? tldr: something something i think therefore i am.

>>73019 I forgot the point behind my discount descartes psuedo-philosophy. I haven't slept properly in 27 hours. if there's nothing, have a good time and be something to someone while you can. if we never die, then why are you afraid? have a good time and be something to someone. it sounds to me like your something is a human library. honorable. share your knowledge, limit your destruction, fulfill that purpose and accept what comes after. there's not much else you can do.

>>73017 I like to embrace the idea that the old age should be feared more than death. The thing I hate is not mans inherently futile struggle against the void, but rather the apathy, sloth, and greed of those who would rather wallow in comfort, too afraid to confront their own inconsequential deaths. Those who would stand side by side in furthering mankind are the most praiseworthy, and the scientific community has lost sight if that in favor of designer drugs and escapist technologies.

>>73017 >do you fear we (as a whole) will die as a brief combustion in a vast mechanical marvel before sputtering out and rusting to nothingness? Or do you believe in a future as the cockroaches of the universe, able to continue to stand as a bulwark against nothingness for ages and ages to come? I'm going to approach this from a bit of a different direction. Maybe we aren't just a vaste mechanical marvel and the world isn't just destined to fall into nothingness? I think it's possible to think about these things a bit differently. I've seen entropy being defined as measuring the most likely state of a system. Which means that according to our understanding there should basically be nothing, yet it's hard to deny existence around you. I kinda believe this relates to what people call the fine tunning of the universe. How if somehow the variables of the universe were a tiny bit different, it might have been so that there would be no life in the universe. I think you could make the case that the universe isn't just a giant mechanism decaying into nothingness, but more like a growing "shell" breaking and growing into bigger cosmical order. Now, what I'm saying is taboo in current times, and it obviously has some religious connotations. But I would ask why exactly is this taboo and why did you write about humanity as a vast mechanical marvel? I fear what really creates more disorder in the world than anything is the worldview we have gotten roughly 300 years ago of everything being mechanical and devoid of any meaning. Which is hard to get across as most see it as reality instead of a worldview, but I think if you open your mind you can make a case that it's a worldview. Maybe perhaps it's most clear how inadequate it is when we have to deny reality because it doesn't conform to our views of the world. The fact that existence should be rare yet the night sky is bustling with stars (which seems to have been unlikely) is one of them. An other one would be the mental gymnastics we do to deny something as obvious as consciousness. Some going as far as saying it's somehow an illusion, even though everything we know about the world has come to us through consciousness (where else could it come from?). There's a saying that lot of social science suffers from phyisics envy. It would be better said that our whole culture suffers from physics envy, but also 18th century physics envy. As that's how most people, even educated one (although these are more likely to see it like that) see the world. It might seem a bit inconherent what I'm saying. But what I'm trying to imply maybe there's some higher up order of the world. Nearly all cultures around the world have ideas about something like that. One famous one would be Taoism. Stoic concept of logos too comes to mind. I took a look at Stanford encyclopedia for stoicism actually and it has few nice words to quote: "God is further characterized as eternal reason (logos: Diogenes Laertius, 44B) or intelligent designing fire or breath (pneuma) which structures matter in accordance with its plan " Which I think if you took a honest look around the world, something like that seems to exist. By that I don't mean I don't think the sun will fall apart in few billion years. Maybe the even whole universe will indeed fall apart someday. But seeing the universe came from nothing I'm really doubtful that nothing is really what we think of as nothing. And I think that instead of seeing the world as this bleak mechanism we should once again embrace beauty instead of just pure utilitarian worldview and help the world spread into bigger and more whole order.

>>73029 Entropy isn't inherently "nothing" it is a measure of chaos, which renders energy and mass unusable. We can also only comprehend around 20% of what we know is out there. Reality is literally an illusion projected by your sensory organs into biological receivers to be converted into data that something tries to discern order from.

>>73031 > reality is an illusion Why is this superficial take so common online? Solipsism has been untenable in philosophy for decades... You are an embodied being lacking objectivity, part of not seperate from the reality it observes. You are not a disembodied rational consciousness objectively observing a reality it is not a part of from the outside, despite what the phantoms of modernism may implore you to think. There will be a natural separation between the description of a photon and your experience of it, as you are embodied within the real and experiencing it totally because you are part of it and distinct within it. The text you're reading right now, even this very sentence is nothing but the arbitrary shapes of pixels on a webpage without you interpreting them within their implicit meaning you have learned. What is language without speech? Yes, the text and meaning I impose here is real, as are your experience of it, as are the photons hitting the rod cells in your eyes. It's all real, the fact you can't comprehend or see it all doesn't rob it of its realness.

>>73017 Is a billion years really that different than a few trillion years? You're talking about outliving the death of Earth, which is possible, but it is likely impossible to outlive the heat death of the universe. From our perspective as animals that have lifespans less than a century and have only several thousand years of recorded history and technological development, both of these events are impossibly distant to the point they may as well be equally far off. What should it matter to us if our distant ancestors evade one or another threat that might doom them? The big one is still coming, their existence is still finite.

>>73033 Prolably too many dude weed types and people influenced by lsd trips and social media influencers misinterpreting the relativity of perception into "le matrix" On the one hand, society is a simulacra of natural living, which probably feeds the prerogative that nothing is real. On the other hand, perception shapes the human experience. Since nobody can properly define the term "self" it stands that there is a lot that is unknown when it comes to the human condition, thus it seems that everything you know is not truth, but only an individual perception of a localized observation. It's much easier to just assume humans are biological machines, reducing them to mere puppets controlled by electrical impulses with organic data storage.

>>73036 I know, but it's just so disappointing. Despite all the postmodern and metamodern innovations of thought, despite the continental movement in philosophy, society has instead chosen to move into liquid hypermodernism. People have been reduced to biological automata based off pseudoscience mythos, our world has turned into a hyperindividualistic isolation of the mind. It's terrible, but maybe there's hope that people will eventually come around?

If you really, truly hate entropy, I think you should get off of internet, because right now you're riding on the biggest entropy machine ever created. I want to write a more detailed lainzine article about this, which will probably be published in 2028, but the TLDR is that internet completely changed the information paradigm and there is probably no going back from it (for humanity).

>>73040 Good news is we're developing new techniques to organize, archive, and integrate knowledge from the internet. Digital Gardens. Wikis. Tools like Obsidian. Please share more about your thoughts here though! And tell me if you think there's any other ways we can adapt to the shifting information paradigm?

>>73035 Anon, stop, you're making me sad!