Enjoying Crime

I had a question for a long time now. Has there ever, in history been a movememt that was specifically just that. Pro-crime amd thought that criminality was a necesarry part of a healthy society? I'm not talking Illegalism as that was just their method of achieving Has anyone Anarchism. Has there in history ever actually been a person or movement that advocated, or tried to bring about a society where crime is allowed for the sake of preserving rebelliousness of a or some stuff. I know this is really random and specific but I can't be the only one thinking about this?

If crime was allowed it wouldn’t be crime

>>72881 >Has there in history ever actually been a person or movement that advocated, or tried to bring about a society where crime is allowed for the sake of preserving rebelliousness of a or some stuff. It's common in American history to see stuff that boils down to "being too harsh on crime is bad because sometimes crime is what needs to happen to keep the government in check" For example, >I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government. - Thomas Jefferson.

Xenophon described that thieves in the spartan city-state punished not for stealing, which was encouraged, but for getting caught.

I mean, talmud often says that "if you have these urges then bring them to the village over" And most of the times these criminally inclined were just on the frontlines of battle used by politics, mercenaries, guns for hire, assassins (butt butt out), hackers, spies.... so yea, on the surface of civilization people will act like life is simple and non intrusive when you get into deeper understanding mechanisms of geopolitics and human nature (especially sociology) you start to understand that sociopathy and psychopathy has had evolutionary purpose, especially for conquering neighboring tribes The fentanyl issue in USA? Completely Chinas fault (through the mexican cartels ofc). And mexican carthels are having a war right now with their government because of it (USA funding it of course) Chinese hackers stealing intellectual property? Same deal, government sanctioned illegal activity The only sort of neutral "let's all hug and hold hands" government or union is EU and NATO, but they do their conquering purely through economic means instead of illegal activites, so win some lose some. I mean, the USA built those mexican carthels when they tried to fund freedom fighters through Iran-Contra affair (funny how everything you do in life comes back to bite you in the ass don't it?)

>>72906 to be fair, sparta was a strange place in a lot of ways and that was very near to forbidding private property among other things, and if I recall correctly this condoned theft is mostly being done by boys who are deliberately not fed terribly much so as to force them to learn to steal. still, maybe the best example Ive seen so far here.

>>72894 >FPBP Crime has a complicated definition, generally anything that goes against society is a crime. Perhaps anarchist movements or social justice movements feel that crime against an unjust law is required, but I have not ever heard of any societal planning that desires lawless action to preserve society. As a sidenote, social circles do matter because groups may have their own agendas within the larger population, and those groups may have different customs and traditions. The criminalization of certain behaviors may cause a society to split in two, rather than adopt crime as healthy. A little related https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/posts/the-roma-people-and-the-italians-a-strained-relationship

>>72911 >social circles, like the gypsies brudduh you may not have realized but gypsies are more than a seperate social circle also dang what an article this is the funniest soykaf I've seen all week. 'Gypsies need feminism' says chubby kid from DC.

>>72881 Edgy teenagers on the internet

There are a lot. They live among us. They are just too disorganized and misguided. I do believe in the not so distant future some will get organise and we will se illegalist groups again. Especially in the face of increasing authoritarianism.

>>72881 California. Now they even have a law that allow former criminals to steal up to $1000 if they do it without violence.

>>72907 The only sort of neutral "let's all hug and hold hands" government or union is EU and NATO, but they do their conquering purely through economic means They use bribes targeting leaders and have them sellout their countries. If one is not willing, then you simply fund their opposition and have them sellout the country for the right to sit on the throne. And when the countries join its oops your industry working practice is illegal by eu law, guess you have to shut down your industry and buy our soykaf but don't worry we will buy natural resources and cheap labor from you. The most unashamed soykaf ive seen is for africa they even used charities - you have to follow their rules or charity money gets blocked. So they essentially using donations from public as bribe money to forcefully gain entry into their markets and natural ressources.

>>76907 forgot > on first line for quote

>>76899 This is cool. Two friends can just basically both be like "Yeah I'll kill that guy there if you don't pay me." and make pocket money like that.

>>72881 Sovereign Citizens sort of count right? Or the "don't pay your taxes" people

>>76907 >>76908 Oh for sure, and whilst the USA was ravaging through Afghanistan the Germans just came up and bought all water plants in Afghanistan to sell bottled water back to Afghanis and NATO troops stationed there. I will tell you man, I was a hacker for most of my life and I know that as long as I hack the geopolitical opposition of my own country of origin they will turn a blind eye to me and my activity. And I know for certain that some three letter agency was on my ass long time ago because of how much soykaf I did. On the outside the world is bombarded with NCIS, CSI, FBI type of detective shows, TSA intruding your rights at every airport, NSA storing and cracking all communication but we all know it's just a security theathre made for people to feel more safe in these chaotic times. For instance did you know that only 30% of all murders in US get a conviction and resolution, meaning that 70% of the killers are never found. And that's when they found the body. My point is, the criminal activity is always on the outside of the tribe, made for tribe to be better. Even the most violent aggressive criminals have "code of conduct" (aka "all child molesters and women beaters get killed in prison" or "don't soykaf where you eat"....) so essentially criminals understand that they exist to make tribe more resilient and better. The tribe that utilizes the human potential at their disposal the best is the one that progresses the most.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-state Yeah, there was governments or leaders that were pro crime. Pro drug trafficking specifically.

>>76959 wow we gettin astrotufed here boys "be gay do crimes xD" psyop slogan