postmodern(?) evaluation of the old world vs emerging internet culture dominating the youth

The internet is full of depression because there has been a collective reversal of wilful intent. The societal definition of the nature of the world is not so because society pursues truth. It is so because in time past society understood the bleak nature of reality and wilfully chose to redefine it through its power alone. Increasing skepticism prevalent online as a result of free, uncensored exchange of information is rapidly undoing the false pretences of society. Humans that were raised to never require to face the real reality are now facing it many years into their life for the first time. The lack of social cohesiveness resulting from a newfound diversity of thought combined with insufficient tolerance is destroying the capacity for new age humans to cooperatively enforce a new subjective reality onto the world. The weakness of the many subjective realities in the face of strong enemies encourages neuroticism during the moments of weakness when individuals are incapable of contributing their power to enforce their subjective reality. It should be noted that the rejection of old world subjective consensus provided individuals with an advantage. It provided for the capacity to exploit biological triggers paved over by societal fixes. Of course as the volume of predators grew society eventually rejected the system wholeheartedly. As with all competition, the product of collective energy expulsion was reduced substantially.

Can you reword this in a more grounded way that doesn't read like an attempt at trolling a sociology journal

>postmodern(?) stopped reading there

>>72409 get chatgpt to do it lol

>>72409 Not him but I will. Before the age of internet, reality was our only way to interact with the world. We had to interact with the people we met and we couldn't filter them to only meet the opinions we agree on. As a result, two things happen: First, because we have to interact with people with all the point of view, almost everyone was forced to say moderate. Second, because we didn't had that many people to interact with, the general consensus didn't had to fit reality completely. Religion for instance was strong. Of course your sin is forgiven. Of course there is an afterlife. And because we didn't had real reasons to veer off the consensus, it was to us, virtually, reality. And so we decided our society will have values. We would give a behavior to everyone and expect it to be reciprocated. We would have something so good it is worth dying for. We would have a common ground. We would have a society. None of which are real, but all of which exist anyway because they are abstractions and we decided to make them exist. Now, we interact with many more people but the internet is dead. Everyone stay in his corner and even if we meet thousands of people with incredible ease, all of them agree with each other and with you. The cardinal truths do not collide and coexist without contradicting each other. Now we are forced to face the materialistic nature of the world. There is nothing to hope for. We can not use our collective capacity to build a new reality for our minds because everyone is a radical now, and whatever corner you are from, you will never fit with the whole. At least, it's what I understand from it. OP might correct me. It is probable that he is mentally insane, on drugs and haven't slept in weeks so it may not even mean anything.

I won't pretend I understood everything, OP, but your title brought up an interesting realization. >old world vs emerging internet culture dominating the youth Was there ever a time in history were there was such a wide culture divide/gap between the old and the new? I personally don't know... It feels like such question only exist because of the ludicrous speed at which technology is evolving. So fast in fact people have a perception of things that only recently existed are "old". For example, (subjective takes, these are my perceptions) Flip phones aren't exactly "old", yet they aren't exactly "new" either, but people will talk about flip phones like they "something I used a long time ago". We (the general public) reminisce about the iPod like it's old nostalgia. (Forgive if my attempt at explaining my view is all over the place. just a sudden question propped by the title. nothing i've been wondering about for a while.) >>72418 Thanks for the attempt. I think it captures what OP was trying to basically say.

>>72418 I appreciate the attempt, It was very late when I wrote it. I also wrote it hoping the few other people here who have read Nietzsche would participate. Anyhow, to expand on what you wrote: Our ancestors realised the real world was awful. They chose to create a new subjective reality that we live in today. The only thing holding up this subjective reality was their power, their ability to enforce their worldview and to fight off objective reality. This world view had some benefits. For one, everyone was valuable (in the eyes of god). There was great incentive for cohesion. Of course across the world and even across social classes variances in such subjective realities came to be. Middle east’s reality is quite different than that of westerners. Realities upheld by women are different than those enforced by men. With the introduction of the internet, these established subjective realities began to clash extraordinarily more. The lack of potential for violence (If you say something offensive, I can’t beat you up on the internet) and the resulting ability for academics to preach has further exacerbated this. Most importantly: Over time what we now see is people realising their subjective realities are not real at all. People now chase reality and tear down anyone who doesn’t chase it. This is polar opposite to what our ancestors did. Our ancestors understood the horrors of reality and intentionally created subjective reality to improve their standard of living. We are more fragmented than ever culturally, so even if some individuals wanted to follow our the footsteps of our ancesors, the assault by “truth chasers” is endless.

>>72422 >Was there ever a time in history were there was such a wide culture divide/gap between the old and the new? both soviet russia and china had kids fight their parents due education system indoctrination. Dumb kids would even report their parents and get them sent to gulag. universities seem to be the traditional places of indoctrination. It starts earlier in school already but students have been always at the front of fighting. General idea is you need about 20 years for complete cultural shifts because you cant retrain the old generation but you can groom the new generation into your new ideology.

imagine being born in a village after either a big war wiped out all the males, or a plauge, or any such thing.

>>72396 >The internet is full of depression because we have to face the truth instead of living in denial This is the summary of your argument I think? And it makes no sense because the internet is anything but real, just take a scroll through Facebook and Instagram

>>72442 Facebook is full of older generations who are very much stuck inside the old system. As for the other one, yeah, I think you may be right. I'd say I was considering the type of thing you'd see on imageboards more but I'm not convinced we are that different.

>>72435 I think the problem is that the "20 year cycle" is dead because the cultural groups are being wound ever tighter across both time and (social) space. There is no consensus to be found _anywhere_ except for that of capital's power.

>>72445 what makes you think that the 20 year cycle was ever anything more than a poorly devised division line to facilitate conversation on general trends, who's sole redeeming factor is that people born at different times do actually seem to be different.

>>72428 >People now chase reality and tear down anyone who doesn’t chase it Where? I don't see it? Almost everyone is still driven by ideology, not a quest for truth. I think your understanding of what's going on is completely inaccurate. >>72445 Consensus is enforced on every large western/jewish social media platform, so Youtube, Facebook, Instagram.

>>72428 A few points I want to note: We do not live in the world our ancestors created for us, unless they were skizos who planified the apparition of the wired and the strong social changes we are living in. Just like they were not living in the dream of their ancestors when half of the population of the campaings had to move to the cities that were not built to house them. Only chan culture value truth above all. Go anywhere else and it's a captive subculture with a local consensus that you can not deviate from. The masse of the people, the normal people, have built segregated realities for each group. What is happening is the opposite of what you say happen. >>72449 >Consensus is enforced on every large western/jewish social media platform, so Youtube, Facebook, Instagram. That is correct. Try to say that every climate prediction made 10, 20 or 30 years ago was as alarmist as the ones we have today and we got only 10% of their predictions. It's a fact. No one will even say you are wrong. No one can. But you will be removed from the public view one way or another. Tell them solar panels are made in China with electricity produced by burning coal, making solar panel an energy even less green than gas. It's a fact, but that fact can't be said. Say the words nuclear or China, the two big things in global warming, and see what happen. The global consensus is real. Smaller consensuses exist. Only chans that are not made for a specific group remain free. Even so, untold ressources are invested to get 4chan under control.

>>72456 >Try to say that every climate prediction made 10, 20 or 30 years ago was as alarmist as the ones we have today and we got only 10% of their predictions. Do you have a specific prediction in mind? In terms of warming predictions, https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/ seems to contradict this claim. IPCC, at least, has been right on the money. In terms of severity of effects, wildfires have gotten measurably more common and more destructive, as have hurricanes. https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/2830/six-trends-to-know-about-fire-season-in-the-western-us/ . Whether this is due to climate change is of course up to debate, but I assure you, as someone who has ran from multiple major wildfires, those events feel apocalyptic to the people they happen to. >Tell them solar panels are made in China with electricity produced by burning coal Everyone knows this. >making solar panel an energy even less green than gas This does not follow. If this is the case, it must be that the expected total lifetime energy production of a solar panel is less than the amount of energy that goes in to its manufacture and shipment. The total amount of energy a solar panel can produce in its lifetime is in the thousands of kilowatts range (with fat error bars), and I sort of doubt it would take that much. How much energy do you think it takes to manufacture a solar panel?

>>72504 Not him but i saw some old newspapers, initially they even predicted an ice age. In 80s they predicted we would die in 2000.

>>72504 >In terms of warming predictions, https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2943/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/ seems to contradict this claim. IPCC, at least, has been right on the money. Bold faced lie.

>>72504 >Do you have a specific prediction in mind? I remember very well when Al Gore, who won a Nobel and an American presidential election told me the world would be 2° hotter in 2020, the glaciers would be gone, the ice cap melted and sea level would have raised by 5 meters. I was young and naive. If Science* told me something, of course I believed Science*. They got me once, shame on them. If they get me twice, shame on me. >Everyone knows this. Then why do all the climate change drones want us to raze forests or cereal fields to fill them with solar panels? According to the totaly not biased treehuggers here https://solvoltaics.com/energy-make-solar-panel/ It take 200kWh to produce a 100W panel. If you get 4 time that energy at the end of life of the panel, it would be great. That mean the CO2 cost of the energy produced by photovoltaic is 25% the CO2 cost of unfiltered Chinese coal. Totally worth destroying our economies with high energy prices and massive drain of capital to China. We would get a lot more done by giving good insulation and effective heaters to everyone. Or by going nuclear, just saying. *Science mean televison.

>>72526 Al Gore is a politician. He is a power broker. Even if he was ultimately correct on the simple fact that climate change is real and man made in a lot of ways, he abused it in many ways. China dominates the solar panel production and energy tycoons that work in oil and gas know where the wind is blowing so they started to Push for green so they would just change seats but be the same guys in charge. Why is this so hard to understand? The motive is profit. Just ask "Who profits the most?".

Regarding rain forest: its the biggest water pump helping cloud formation. If you kill the forest you cause draughts,

>>72527 >Just ask "Who profits the most?". When environmental "activists" protest against nuclear energy, the only real alternative to oil and gas, you know who is writing the checks.

>>72528 The oceans are. Just like the oceans create more O² than the forests. We are a blue planet after all. Note that we can GMO some phytoplankton to pump the carbon into the oceans but somehow this is never discussed. >>72527 The push for wind turbines and solar panels are indeed 100% greed powered. The fact that the activist drones don't understand this is not a solution to the problem that seem so important to them remove all credibility they may have. >>72531 They always spout "it will take too much time to build" and try to escape because they know they have lost the debate if the atom in on the table. It's not about creating new centrals but about not closing the already existing, perfectly maintained, 100% CO² free power plants that power entire countries. Take Fesheneim in France. They invested one billion to extend it's lifetime and then closed it to please the green. Just like Pheonix and Superpheonix. Take Germany. Explain why you never hear the drones talk about Germany? Surely, if global warming is such a big deal they must have a problem with Germany. They do not. The EPR in Finland have been forced by the state to reduce its production to keep the renewable competitive. This isn't about CO², therefore this isn't about global warming and I am tired of pretending it is.

>>72532 globally oceans may matter most but regionally rain forest is supplying a large region that otherwise would be desert zone. Once they delete it their fertile land is also gone. rip south america.

>>72526 >I remember very well when Al Gore, who won a Nobel and an American presidential election told me the world would be 2° hotter in 2020, the glaciers would be gone, the ice cap melted and sea level would have raised by 5 meters. Al Gore is a politician and a businessman who won a Nobel Peace Prize, which basically means the Nobel committee liked him. He's not a scientist. >It take 200kWh to produce a 100W panel. I read that same website, but they don't include a source for how they came up with that number. >If you get 4 time that energy at the end of life of the panel, it would be great. They claim a panel typically has a 10 year warranty, so we'll assume that's also an average lifespan. Assume that on average it is daytime for 10 hours a day and assume that on average the solar panel produces 30% of its rated capacity during the daytime, to account for bad weather and dc-ac conversion inefficiency. Then we get a conservative estimate of 1095 kWh total produced in lifetime, more than 5x how much it supposedly takes to make it. >Or by going nuclear, just saying. I agree, although nuclear is also extremely expensive and I don't think there is any reason to avoid solar power in particular. I am unable to find the paper your image is supposedly from, but it appears to be this JR Christy Guy's one main point, so I just read https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2018EA000401 . Fair enough, the troposphere isn't warming as much as predicted, but the surface (which is the temperature that all the models are fitted to) is. >>72532 >Note that we can GMO some phytoplankton to pump the carbon into the oceans but somehow this is never discussed. Yeah, let's fiddle with wild animals, that always goes well.

>>72537 >more than 5x how much it supposedly takes to make it. that really doesn't sound like a great return but it is a return. of course it also produces about 4-5x that in waste heat.

>>72526 >Then why do all the climate change drones want us to raze forests or cereal fields to fill them with solar panels? Has anyone actually called for this? Typically you put solar panels on places that get a lot of sun and aren't used, such as rooftops, deserts, and open fields. >>72538 >that really doesn't sound like a great return but it is a return if I got 5x return on investment I would invest no brainer, but this isn't an investment and we aren't getting "returns", we're comparing energy sources for efficiency. It is clear that, if it's replacing coal power, a solar panel can offset a substantial amount of coal. When deployed on rooftops they can also reduce line losses. Also keep in mind the "200 kWh per 100W panel" number is completely unsubstantiated, probably varies nonlinearly with the rated output of the panel, and when I actually checked I saw that many brands have 25 year warranties rather than 10 years. >of course it also produces about 4-5x that in waste heat. as far as I can tell the waste heat is just energy from the sun that isn't converted into electricity, correct? In that case, unless you're putting a solar panel on top of a white or reflective surface, that heat was going to be absorbed into the ground anyway.

>>72532 Just to chime in on germany - they closed their atom reactors but then didnt have enough energy, so they started buying eletricity on european market. Who is selling? Hungary restarted their soviet era atom reactor since germany just made it profitable. Feel safer? And they plan to build more. The whole thing is same as outsourcing manufacturing to china and then insider trading about how clean we are cause our country aint polluting it. Just ignore the outsourced pollution with even lower safety standards.

>>72540 >heat was going to be absorbed into the ground anyway. sum uv it was going 2 be absorbed by d ground but most pv panels have lower albedo than most dirt. mayb 4-5x is eggsageration but is an increase. Especially wen dey put huge pv arrays in big pale desserts albedo difference is yuuuge.

>>72422 https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

>>72446 Hence the "quotation marks." It's more like a loose approximation of cultural banding around certain influential events. The most popular example I can think of is the seperation of millenials/genz being generally considered to be 9/11 and their differences can be interpreted through a lens of specific cultural traumas and how society responded to them. >>72449 Replace "Jewish" with "neolib/con capitalist" and you're getting somewhere. Blaming a specific ethnic group/cultural tradition for the consequences of fiscal consensus is like blaming a specific corporation for its inhumanity. Generalization inherently reduces the complexity and relatibility of an ingroup without meaningfully proposing remedies to underlying injustices beyond a vague "removal." All humanity is subject to the socioeconomic construct of fiat currency (save the few fragments of genuine communal and/or tribal living) that overly emphasizes and incentivizes the propagation of its influence. In a confluence of Dawkins' and Nietzsche's philosophy we could say that the meme of currency has an extremely high will to power that overrides the minute circumstances of whatever system it occupies. >>72456 Interestingly enough effective consensus is manufactured at mass scale not through an alignment of individual's specifics (tendencies towards one end of a decision spectrum or another) but the structuring and agreement between the spectra of decisions themselves. It is not the man saying "Buy Coke" that creates capital incentive, but the personal decision of "Coke vs. Pepsi (vs. Water?)" within someone's mind to push them into a specific mode of constructing the world (i.e. there are Coke drinkers and Pepsi drinkers, so I must choose to be one of them. aligning myself to some vague cultural archetype of what that means). When capital entities conflict the winners are not actually the consumers but the system of capital itself. All of this is not to say that capital isn't real. It very much is in the same sense that all ideas are "real." Despite their conceptual locus being held apart from the physical world, they only exist because of and in step with how they can actually be manifested by those that believe in and express it (e.g. through consumption, investment, etc.) tl;dr The world's House is capital--and the House always wins.

>>72628 >Replace "Jewish" with "neolib/con capitalist" and you're getting somewhere. Blaming a specific ethnic group/cultural tradition for the consequences of fiscal consensus is like blaming a specific corporation for its inhumanity. Generalization inherently reduces the complexity and relatibility of an ingroup without meaningfully proposing remedies to underlying injustices beyond a vague "removal." All humanity is subject to the socioeconomic construct of fiat currency (save the few fragments of genuine communal and/or tribal living) that overly emphasizes and incentivizes the propagation of its influence. In a confluence of Dawkins' and Nietzsche's philosophy we could say that the meme of currency has an extremely high will to power that overrides the minute circumstances of whatever system it occupies. Nah, this is philosemitic drivel. It's a known fact that judaism teaches supremacism and hatred of nonjews, especially white people, who they think of as edom/esau/amalek, and who they think they are commanded by God to annihilate. Plenty of rabbis talk about this and it's all easily verifiable for an actual inquisitive mind. All of the media platforms in question do happen to be owned by this supremacist cult so it is very relevant. Asserting that is not relevant is like asserting that race is not relevant George Floyd case or any other cases in which white cops killed black people. It's also not a "fiscal consensus". We are not run by supply and demand rules, we are not run by capitalism or what is the most profitable. Have you not heard anything about ESG and such? These are anti-market, anti-capitalist standards that are enforced by the oligarch and capital class upon the rest of the market, and again, it happens to be done by mostly jewish racists, who hate western society and would like to see it destroyed, by their own admission. >Generalization inherently reduces the complexity and relatibility of an ingroup without meaningfully proposing remedies to underlying injustices beyond a vague "removal." If this is your complaint then you should hate judaism since that is what it is all about, conquering and dominating nonjews, and ultimately eliminating them. A refusal to acknowledge these facts can only come from either ignorance of the subject, or from someone who supports jewish supremacism.

>>72630 Serious question: have you ever actually talked to an average Jewish person? They might be an (arguably) over-represented people group within a certain class but the vast majority of those folk are not actually in any position of power greater to the average person. It is like assuming all East Asian folk must be doctors because they have a disparate enrollment share in top medical establishments: plainly wrong and inversely causal. Antisemitism is a candid copout from any attempt to critically analyze contemporary power structures that can reject all possible arguments for/against any position by establishing an arbitrary distance between that thing and Judaism. It is a rhetorical trick that has proven highly effective throughout European history for rallying support behind despotic figures claiming allegiance to some mythical pre-Jewish establishment that misunderstands obvious and fundamental tenants of reality. You have been duped by a loose assemblage of ideological grifters whether you recognize this or not. Maybe you think you’re joking, but irony is the first step on the path toward sincerity. The annihilation of an ill-defined Jewish race will not bring the Kingdom of God no matter how bad you want it to.

>>72630 >Asserting that is not relevant is like asserting that race is not relevant George Floyd case or any other cases in which white cops killed black people. Obvious difference is that the latter is individuals interacting with other individuals, where different factors apply. The larger an organization the more impossible it is for it to be directed by any individual will or coherent ideology, like others have been saying, which is one reason why an ethnic/religious conspiracy seems implausible.

>>72638 >The larger an organization the more impossible it is for it to be directed by any individual will or coherent ideology is not a religion essentially a shared ideology that's generally more or less coherent? Also worth pointing out that while an ethnic group may not all be part of a single organized conspiracy, racially shared modes of thought/behavior combined with ingroup prefference can create similar effects without need for explicit organization. White cops can be fighting a race war against blacks just because blacks act one way and whites act another, its not that they want to do it its just an emergent behavior.

>>72641 There is a lot of diversity in the actual professed beliefs of Jews. Judaism as a whole is not like the catholic church. If you mean that Jewish people tend to hire their Jewish buddies for jobs, then yeah, that's true. That doesn't imply there's a Jewish conspiracy that's behind all the ills of the world.

>>72642 >That doesn't imply there's a Jewish conspiracy yes exactly thats litterally what I said, but that doesn't mean that they don't act as though there is.

>>72641 >is not a religion essentially a shared ideology that's generally more or less coherent? I don't think so, no, at least for the large ones. They are all famously full of hypocrisies and convoluted logic for why the old rules and values don't actually mean what they say, in order to conform to what everyone was going to do anyway, because you can only pretend to herd that many people, not actually do it in a way unaffected by external politics and cultural influence. >while an ethnic group may not all be part of a single organized conspiracy, racially shared modes of thought/behavior combined with ingroup prefference can create similar effects without need for explicit organization. One, you can't organize an effective globe spanning media brainwashing campaign plus financial control scheme plus eugenics program plus whatever else without explicit organization. The organization of a project of such a scope is (borderline?) impossible even with that. Two, most Jews are not all that cut off from non-jewish culture as to have such completely different values that they can somehow passively have an automatic consensus for working to crush those other values, even if doing so was realistic. None of the Jews I've known were bigots or seemed to have alien or hostile ways of thinking/ideals.

>>72645 But I mean, in what way do they act like that? Hiring people that look like you doesn't equal a shadowy plot or even any of the effects of a shadowy plot.

>>72645 By that same logic there is a sinister plot of the Vietnamese to conquer the American nail cosmetics industry

>>72654 yees, the nhưng người nước ngoài suspect nothing...

>>72653 ok can you tell me what are the hallmarks of a shadowy plot? >all there is to race is what you look like lol why do people act like this is true its plainly not >>72654 sure, and paki gas stations and indians at intel etc etc. except again im saying it doesnt need to be an explicit unified conspiracy, just that vietnamese like the work, there's a niche, they're better than the previous race who held that niche at controlling it and they maybe kinda help eachother out. Every race in his place, as they say. of course sometimes good at controlling a position doesn't mean good at offering the ostensible service of said position, idk anything about painting nails but maybe the vietnamese aren't that great at it but are more effective at i.e. running the businesses/have some other tricky advantage like the 'massage' parlour in the back and manage to push out the other nail painters otherwise.

>>72540 >Has anyone actually called for this? Of course not. They just insist that we need to build this surface of solar farm this year and they don't care about anything else. Most of the time the local resistance force them to be built where there is nothing of value, but we end with thousands of hectares of forest razed to buld a solar farm. Solar can not replace the thermal power plants for the simple reason that thermal plants production is regulated according to the need of the grid, why solar produce what it can when it can. So now, you need to move this energy 1000km away to pump water to a barrage and get only half of this energy back. Then you need it to travel 1000km again. Ho, and photovoltaic isn't a renewable source of energy. >>72628 >Replace "Jewish" with "neolib/con capitalist" and you're getting somewhere. How about "the rootless international clique"? Would you vote for a candidate who want to keep them in line? >>72637 If they do not denounce the Talmuld and reject their cult, then they have a problem with me. Not the opposite. If they do, then we can be friend. Content of character, not color of the skin and all.

>>72673 >ok can you tell me what are the hallmarks of a shadowy plot? Large-scale secretive coordinated action towards a common goal.

>>72686 >So now, you need to move this energy 1000km away to pump water to a barrage and get only half of this energy back. Iron rust based energy storage facilities seem promising, should be scalable to the size needed, and are not limited to particular geographical locations, they are building these now.

>>72686 >So now, you need to move this energy 1000km away to pump water to a barrage and get only half of this energy back. Then you need it to travel 1000km again. Energy use correlates pretty strongly with how hot it is (because sun out more -> it's hotter -> people turn on air conditioning) so they can be very useful in that situation. You can also just turn off turbines at other power plants if you have an abundance of solar electricity. Basically, you characterize solar electricity as strictly bad, but it's clearly just one part of a nice diverse electricity production portfolio that any grid should have.

>>72686 >How about "the rootless international clique"? Would you vote for a candidate who want to keep them in line? If a politician in any personally relevant jurisdiction claims to have any influence for/against the "clique" they are lying and using a rhetorical trick to isolate themselves from such a body. There are no good politicians. There are especially no good politicians preaching from the pulpit about how morally righteous they are.

>>72688 >Large-scale secretive coordinated action towards a common goal. This is a good definition, but you have to realize that from the outside of such a conspiracy you will generally only see large scale effort towards a plausible (but not neccisarily stated nor obvious) goal, and have to infer the secretive coordination. The trouble is that a group of people who have common or similar goals and proclivities often don't need secretive coordination, nor any explicit coordination at all. Is there a conspiracy to put more blaqs in prizon or is it just that blacks act certain ways and courts and lawyers act certain ways and cops and judges act certain ways and the conclusion is that different groups get different average results.

>>72724 Ok, but what I'm asking is: what actions are being taken in furtherance of a common goal in this specific context? What is the actual conspiracy? You have said a lot about how hypothetically people being similar means they will be likely to act similiarly and treat each other better but you have not answered how this means "jewish conspiracy" theories are plausible.

They are literally telling you what they do and you refuse to believe it cause its uncomfortable. Secret coodrination my ass.

>>72733 Okay, so don't answer the question and pretend like your conclusion is common knowledge.

>>72734 i was not the previous poster. I give this as much effort as it deserves. wikileaks provided tons of examples and did it do something? fuarrrk all. As already stated you dont really wanna know and rather ignore cause thats more comfortable.

>>72735 Wikileaks unearthed a jewish conspiracy? Which cables were these?

>>72396 source of picture anon?

>>72693 This example don't work well in winter, when our peak of consumption happen. In winter the sun is weak, is not here often and the sky tend to be cloudy. Even worse: snow may fall on the solar panel. Texas had a blackout because they had not enough sun and no wind. Texas. France use it's nuclear reactors to regulate the grid. That mean the fuel is less used when it goes to La Hague. That's the only benefit of the renewable energies. That and pumping public money in the pockets of investment funds, that is. Worse: since the pipes of the nuclear power plants have to change their temperature and pressure all the time, they age badly. They have been forced to shut down many of them at the same time for a problem of corrosion that would have been much smaller without this factor. The sun and wind can not be anything more than a complement and you need something on the consumer side to regulate the grid for you. >>72723 What if I told you a politician like that actually existed? >>72731 History have proven nationalism to be hurtful to Jews, and there is much more to this story than the last big event. Knowing that, if you happened to be Jewish, and found yourself in a position when you control a bit the creation of some pieces of culture, would you encourage nationalism, instigate the feeling to the population that they belong to a group, to a body of people with a glorious history and many things to be proud of, or would you do the opposite? If you were a politician, and happened to be Jewish, would you favor policies that ensure an ethno state can not possibly happen anymore, or would you secure a future for the kids of the nation? You see, Jews don't know each other and they don't conglomerate in a big room with bad lighting to discuss the plot of the day. Of course they don't. It just happen that they share a common bond, help one of their own to climb the social ladder when it don't cost them and act in a way that is hurtful to us. The words in the Talmud does not help.

>>72746 >Texas had a blackout because they had not enough sun and no wind. Texas. If you mean when that huge winter storm hit, pretty much every power source including several oil power plants and a nuclear plant had problems due to freezing. It wasn't just lack of sun, grid managers would have assumed those plants would not be producing much power during winter anyway, because Texas isn't sunny in winter. >If you were a politician, and happened to be Jewish, would you favor policies that ensure an ethno state can not possibly happen anymore, or would you secure a future for the kids of the nation? Apparently if my name is Netanyahu, yes.

>>72746 false dichotomies everywhere! There is nothing more harmful you could do to a group of people than provoke them into nationalism.

>>72747 >Texas isn't sunny in winter. its a good deal sunny-er than most of the country in winter though. >>72746 >Texas had a blackout because they had not enough sun and no wind. also because of infrastructure not made for serious cold plus icestorms damaging power systems plus other things. Fair to say that sun shouldn't be the sole powersource but there were several things going on at once that lead to that situation, and honestly it wasn't too bad anyway.

>>72746 >What if I told you a politician like that actually existed? Of course such politicians exist, why else would this conversation be taking place? The psychological effort vs. payoff of saying "there is an evil conspiracy" immediately followed with "I am against said evil conspiracy" is a no-brainer for the soulless lizards attracted to politics as a career. Sure some politicians stand by some proper moral construction but those are not the successful ones, i.e. they don't stick around for long. Democracy is oft mistaken for an ideological battleground but it is obviously a rhetorical one that primarily functions to keep the populous engaged in the pining nonsense of the petty nobility they so dearly believe themselves to be. No true power comes from a vote, only a facsimile of it. >It just happen that they share a common bond, help one of their own to climb the social ladder when it don't cost them and act in a way that is hurtful to us. So anyone non-Jewish is "us" right? Or is this just another thinly veiled appeal to "Aryan" supremacy? No people-group is fundamentally different from any other, to believe otherwise is to believe an outright lie (most crucially, such a belief proliferates further division and psychosocial mathematics seeking to delineate those groups into some consistent framework; to do so is impossible but the cognitive ease it provides is a hell of a promise for a worldview to sell and so people are attracted to it anyway.)

>>72748 >There is nothing more harmful you could do to a group of people than provoke them into nationalism. Then Netanyahu must hate the Jews. Seriously, you think making people act like one civilized group instead of being individualists is the worse we can do? >>72749 If I remember well, the nuclear power plant was not shut down because of the temperature. Finland and Sweden have no problem with the cold and they aren't warmer than Texas. Some pipes got frozen and some gas power plants had to shut down but the worse came from solar and wind. It was a total shut down, and they never prepared for that. When you build solar and wind farms, you must remember that they may just not produce for weeks and you must build everything you need to be ready. >>72750 >So anyone non-Jewish is "us" right? Ha, yes, the non-Jewish supremacist. We live in a post truth world where the black israelites are branded a white supremacist movement after all. >such a belief proliferates further division and psychosocial mathematics seeking to delineate those groups into some consistent framework And that's why nationalities aren't an abstraction. It worked well when the paperwork was strongly correlated to the realities of a blood bond and a shared culture.

>>72748 >Then Netanyahu must hate the Jews. I know some Jewish people that literally call him a nazi without a hint of Irony. >Seriously, you think making people act like one civilized group instead of being individualists is the worse we can do? Acting like one civilized group is not the same as nationalism, it is the opposite. Nationalism is the belief that your group is above right and wrong. >If I remember well, the nuclear power plant was not shut down because of the temperature. Its cooling lake froze over. >Finland and Sweden have no problem with the cold and they aren't warmer than Texas. Because they built their infrastructure with cold in mind. >It was a total shut down, and they never prepared for that. ERCOT is a clusterfuck of a public/private partnership and they didn't plan for contingencies or build their soykaf right. Also, there was still gigawatts of wind power being generated for most of the disaster.

I don't get it. What's all this soykaf about the jews? >>72746 >It just happen that they share a common bond, help one of their own to climb the social ladder when it don't cost them and act in a way that is hurtful to us. They help each other and have a community? Bro if you're this tilted about getting left out of the jewish community, literally just convert???

>>72776 >finland & sweden have no problem with the cold Yes, and neither does north dakota. A problem is that significant parts of texas freeze maybe once a year, and you know whats really incredible ? pipes burst during that one freeze. Thats just how things are built and managed. Have you been here, examined a random smattering of houses ? I've never been to scandanavia but I've lived other places, as cold as any major finnish city, and the buildings here are manage to get colder at almost freezing than others do at -30. In no other place have I seen the level of ice accumulation in trees that happens here during certain storms. Not snow, ice, which does not easily slide off but sits there and builds up mass till the branch or trunk splits. Its easy to laugh at so much trouble for such a little cold, and there are parts of it that are meritous of laughter, but there's more to it than just being a little cold.

>>72746 >Texas had a blackout because they had not enough sun and no wind. Texas. Who told you this? We had a blackout because we don't winterize any of our infrastructure. If it had just been wind and solar that were taken out, we would have been fine. Blaming wind and solar was the cope our State officials decided to run with to dodge blame for what was ultimately their fault. >>72776 >Finland and Sweden have no problem with the cold and they aren't warmer than Texas. Stop lying. Last time Texas had anything resembling a hard freeze or snowstorm before 2021 was in the 1980's.

>>72418 Maybe stop sucking yourself off? There's nothing radically different about the internet and there isn't some kind of "new world" or whatever. What internet and computers essentially are is tv 2.0. What that means is that any kind of real discussion gets replaced by image. The high ammount of stuff you can find and are expected to find online turns everything into numbers game. The winning stategy to be heard on the internet is not to speak of something important, but to present yourself in an attractive way and be entertaining. And that's the opposite of what you want to have quality or truthful discussion. I would even say evidence on the internet is essentially removed from reality. If you read few books about any subject you are left with knowledge and wisdom. If you spent time on internet you know lots of certain facts that are removed from any context. Which leaves you without being able to asses their truth. On whenever people in the past were deluded. I don't think they were. As in the past they had to live in the world and actually see it. Nowdays people live in a world made in the image of a modern man. A wild forest is unpredictable living thing which contains countless other living beings all playing a role in the ecosystem. Compare that to a monoculture farm. The latter one is what people are currently living in and they asses that as reality. For that matter, the fact that every culture in the world believes in some higher order in the universe is telling enough. Obviously this gets strawmanned today as "you really believe in a guy with a big beard in the sky?", but the fact is that there's tons of unlikely order in the world tells me enough. It's worth pointing out that since we have removed ourselves from even being able to talk about that, the world has become noticably more ugly. You don't find many ugly art architecture. painting or music from before 300 years ago. Nowadays wherever you go you see ugly grey buildings that don't fit with the rest of the landscape at all. Music which is just noise, repetitive and predictable, and paintings which don't don't depict anything. And if they do, it's all skewed, lacking any beautiful proportions or colors. Whenever I hear something like "truth chasers" I am reminded about a saying that went something like this: "Someone who thinks he has no ideology is just someone who doesn't question himself"