Biological and developmental cause of trans

In short: 1) Brain damage and developmental disruption in key windows which leads to failure, disinterest, suppression, or inversion of roles 2) Media brainwashing, double binds, hypnosis, overrelating with characters due to lack of capacity for real connection or a grounded sense of self (NPD, BPD, Schizoid, Schizotypal, etc). Porn use. 3) Environmental toxicity (poison food water air EMF etc) 4) Isolation or a "schizoid core" which causes an inability to connect internal and external objects (malleable) 5) Self soothing. Attempting to stablize the predator and prey dynamic. 6) Technological hypnosis, EMF mind control acting in conjunction with injected or inhaled material I think "gender identity" and to an extent sexuality is likely malleable and mutable. It has to be done during key developmental windows, where there is a balance of fulfillment and deprivation (nullification) of traits which is the process which allows the individual to progress in development (the most important being the infantile formation of the core self). If this is disrupted, the individual is malformed, and does not progress properly. Factors include everything from culture, environmental and psychosocial toxicity, media, early childhood development, and various constellations and decay chains that can form under sustained pressure or deprivation. A good example is the notion of a "schizoid core", as well as damage or malformation to early object relations. ie separation and individuation from the family, particularly the mother. Lastly there's a structural dissociation component. These are people who can't bridge internal objects with external objects, they live in their head. Certain preconditions have to be met (degenerative or otherwise). Without women, there is no man, there is only you. Therefore males who either have no (or cannot have) women in proper female roles (not threatening, neglectful, rejecting, or smothering figures) or cannot connect with a sense of self within broader society, must find another way to maintain stability and functionality. In other words. Men without women, including solipsistic men, lacking anything to outsource their Anima functions to (like a left and right brain hemisphere) have 3 options to maintain stability. In some cases they can be viewed as a decay chain. 1) Hyper polarize. Become extremely masculine, actively suppress or subjugate the inner "feminine", or separate from it entirely. 2a) Nullification, become neither male nor female. Not human, apart from one's humanity and "the world". Become asexual, numb, androgynous in the neuter sense. 2b) Divine androgyne imitation, become both. Male and female. Elevate the Anima to equal or greater standing. A sort of Lilith allegory. Relies on sublimation, thus tends to be unstable and energy intensive, immersion within the unconconscious often leads to engulfment if the Anima grows too strong or overprotective. 3) Inversion. Try to become the other sex. Complete engulfment. Create a shell personality, put the masculine aspects to sleep, break them into pieces (mirror shatter symbolism), turn them inside out, and so on. At this stage self soothing and inverted protective alters are running the show. Escape from reality to the point where, either through desire or weakness, the person wants everyone else to play along. This is an attempt to bridge internal and external objects (object relations), which were damaged in early childhood development. Fantasy, dominance, security. Just think. You can cut out the middle man (pun intended). Become the object of your desire. Return to a primordial state of everything and nothing. Disarm. Achieve invulnerability, absolute control, exemption from the natural order. See without seeing, know without knowing, have without having, and do without truly realizing. This is what they want, this is what they were programmed to do as children, they just do it again. It's a return to childhood with quasi-sexual overtones (amplified dominance and submission dynamics, loss aversion by disarmament). It's not unlike a child wanting to hide behind and interact with the adults through their mother, their big sister, whatever. Except the individual is now too old for this, but still incapable, and they recognize they're incomplete and maldeveloped and it's all layered over, so they just shift over to playing both roles. It's an alter ego which is created to soothe/connect but ends up engulfing, a mix of pygmalion and autogynephilia. Returning to an infantile merged state. It's trying to create a self through imitation. Just via the mother and other women (because women are the fixation, it just becomes distorted), rather than the father. A man has to either become the father, or reject the father, or become equal to the father. If he is unable to do this he cannot grow to the life stage of being a proper man, he cannot separate and maintain a stable sense of self, nor can he connect with others as a proper adult. He will work via proxies and surrogates. He will run back to the mother. Trans are those who instead became the mother, partly due to brain damage, broken families, and endocrine disruptors administered starting at birth (such as mercury and aluminum). They feel they cannot compete with or be one of the men, tons of potential childhood reasons for this. Or they aren't "supposed to" be a man, because men are evil and bad, and that would make them an abusive "bad object" in the eyes of women, or it would bring the negative reaction of the father to have competition, and so on. The level of mind warping programming going on at this point is off the charts. Brain damage is really the key though. Prior generations had functioning hormonal systems and were capable of eventually fighting off the prior generations. Not anymore. That's what really does it. It's like a magnet. You have Eve and Lilith (and you also have Lilith pretending to be Eve). The core of the female alter would reflect what they were conditioned for in early childhood. A lot of it is probably just summarized as intimacy terror, and double binds regarding competiton. The same parts of the brain light up with arousal and aggression, therefore aggression is easily transmuted into arousal (the fawn response). So aggression and libido, having no natural outlet, would be redirected back onto the self. Amplification of dominance and submission dynamics, the weaker ones eventually crumple beneath it. Perhaps parentification, spousification, or being sexualized as children plays a role in some cases. The trans thing gets darker and more twisted the more you pick it apart, and I do believe this is a lot of what's going on. You can also mess with people's minds with EMR. We already know there are omnipresent xenoestrogens and soy eaters. There's also a role for technological hypnosis as well. There may be a role for mutational load and low diversity so far as gestational vulnerability, but I just don't think it's all of it.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST, You should always elaborate on your opinions rather than just spilling the soykaf. )

You are just uncomfortable because you are are one degree separation from becoming trans yourself, otherwise I don't see the reason for caring so much About some trans people. Trying to intelectualise your trans away, so to speak.

>>71460 I'm not uncomfortable, I'm well aware that the world tried to turn me trans. Fortunately I have a splintered mind, and view the body and mind as puppets. Like boxes you can hold in your hand and rearrange, so I could watch what was happening and disallow it from playing out beyond a simualted internal environment. There's definitely something going on.

>>71462 I have various questions that I will try to separate into categories. I got a bit lazy after writing so much so please feel free to ask me to clarify on anything. It is not my intention to offend anyone. 1. Is the outcome (transitioning) a bad thing? If so, do you feel any sort of contempt towards your peers who do transition (i.e. they are "weak" or succumbed to "illness") 2. With splintered mind and body, I'm just curious that would you best categorize in the nullification category? This question has no logical precedence I am just curious because then, I can better understand the "splintered mind" you describe. I experienced that possibility of being trans but I found it wasn't for me. I wouldn't hold it against anyone else who chose to transition or feels trans because at the end of the day pretty much all human behavior is predicated on resolving some physiological or psychological need. If it is shown that the "woman in a man's body" theory is true then transitioning is the way to resolve the incongruence.

Absolutely fantastic analysis, OP. It's worth mentioning that there may be a significant relationship between this cultural phenomenon and Dalton Institute/Chatham House/Rhodes Scholar and the numerous ideologically aligned institution's proclivity towards eugenics, as is currently rebranded as transhumanism, climate change, and transgenderism, as well as massive financial incentive for the health industry to promote it. Transitioning makes the individual infertile, requires a lifetime of hormone therapy that is deleterious to health (particularly for bone diseases), and is likely for most not psychologically beneficial, especially with its open conflation of sexual proclivity with sexual and individual identity. That means dependency in healthcare, no children, more health issues, more drug use, more financial issues, more STIs, more suicide. Corporations have a huge incentive to promote this stuff via ESG/DEI/etc due to the incestuous chain of reliance of corporate welfare via private equity, lobbying, and government dictates, wrapped in a soft management by intergovernmental think tanks. Keeping social issues at an infighting with identity politics does not threaten state power, so intrinsically a corrupt government would find it beneficial, it being no mistake that it was born out of the carcass of the Occupy movement, as well as culture itself being so dead and disconnected it is largely dictated by corporate promotion. This all not to mention the intergenerational predation of this ideology being tirelessly promoted towards the youth, all wrapped in a Common Core-Prussian indoctrination system. We are lied to, dumbed down, influenced, and poisoned to such a complete degree that the culture will champion its own demise. Have some corpocracy school house rock to wash it down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh6Hf5_ZYPI

Interesting read, OP. However I'm not sure I fully follow. Are you essentially saying that men who attempt to transition do so due to lack of a decent father figure or they having missed out on some crusial developmental events that their mind tries to recoup on by causing some sort of internal schism? It's true however that in the past decade there has been a stark rise in the number of sexless and lone men (iirc around a third of adolecent males which is concerning) and the suspicion of the "incel to trans" pipeline being at least somewhat real. And there being that saying that "if you can't get a girlfriend, become the girlfriend". While I believed that to be more of a joke, it would explain the isolation induced autogynophilia. But applying occams razor here, can't it just be that these individuals are just severely attention deprived while being inable to attain it through normal means since it appears to affect individuals on the autistic spectrum quite frequently? That or it's them being easily talked into it (due to the aforementioned disposition) by medical practitioners who do financially benefit from having more life long patients? >>71460 >You're just projecting. The reason to care is that said individuals tend to make everything about themselves or their "sexuality" which is just a way to make it about themselves by proxy due to apparent lack of anything else that a wider range of people beyond just a niche group would be celebrative about (at least within the current overton window). I do also suspect a frequent overlap with narcissism and opportunism. That or the transhumanist idea to be able to modify and "tinker" on your body to alter it into whatever one wants, which, albeit is possible in theory, is not so in reality with our current state of technology and medicine. In short I do agree that there's a lot going on with this and I worry that all this hubris and greed, which plays into this as well, will not bode well for the individuals affected.

>>71467 We already know trans-ness is overly romanticized in media, it takes little push by medical practitioners. I personally believe that most medical practitioners are clueless and instead follow along with their bias. I doubt conservative practitioners are influencing their patients to be trans, for example. As for people on the autism spectrum, I would argue that it is hard for those with autism to "feel gender," which is hard for those with Autism to cope with. Autistic individuals like to rationalize their existence, qualities, and behaviors logically. Without a code to live by (religion is one such cop-out) life, gender, etc, all feel like meaningless "social constructs" made up by neurotypicals.

>>71468 Yes, there's likely often an ideological aspect to the decision making of healthcare personel, not always just a financial one. Especially those who would be less directly benefitted like teachers and social workers, etc. But that most likely depends on the individual practitioner. You do bring up an interesting point about a frequent perception of gender and norms among people on the autistic spectrum. However, if it truly was this meiningless concept to many of the autistic people who decide to transition where gender is subjective and a societal construct (I personally disagree with that) then wouldn't they rather chose to be "neutral" instead? Be it by them claiming to be "asexual" or "opting out of the game" entirely rather than trying to change themselves to the opposite sex, by which they also implicitly acknowledge the duality of biological sex and dimorphism that they try to get away from? I mean, I too don't "feel" my gender. I just play the biological role I happened to fall into, just like any other circumstance I happened to find myself in with little to no ability to change much about it. Basically just playing my cards right while trying to not make things unnecessarily worse for myself. For example not risking an irreversible procedure and consecutive life long dependency on pharmaceuticals turning out to have been a mistake. My logical guess is to best roll with what I have to maximize my advantages rather than to spend all that extra effort to fight it in addition to having to deal with life. And I too question societal norms whenever something appears nonsensical to me. And there's a lot of that happening even, or rather especially today. But many things, like traditional gender roles, do have a function for the most part, despite most people who follow them, not being able to even begin to articulate any of the reasons and instead would just answer with something non informative like "that's just how things are". I could go on about that subject but I'm probably trailing off topic now. But I believe one can be obsessive about trying to rationalize their entire being without basically falling for either a transhumanist, moneygrab or depopulation ploy by means of having their mental conditions exploited.

>>71471 > wouldn't they rather chose to be "neutral" instead? I think this EXACTLY something to look into. Many autistic individuals do indeed decide that "neutral" i.e. non-binary is best for them. But I think another bit is, the mixing of gender confusion "I don't know what it feels like to be a man" and sexuality "I have a sex drive and I am attracted to women" that could drive autistic individuals to either side of femininity or masculinity. A lot of autistic behavior does seem to mimic the saying "do I want x or do I want to be x" - I have heard this saying, specifically only from those on the autism spectrum, regarding sexuality, gender, and even EATING DISORDERS. "Do I want to (fornicate) a pretty woman or do I want to be a pretty woman" (and vice versa for my trans man friends as well! you can see the fetishization of men quite clearly and transmasc spaces, just keep an eye out for yaoi loving gay trans men. it is a stereotype for a reason) Also - with regards to your subjective experience, going along with your biological sex is interesting. The biological sex generally speaking influences your hormones, which influences your behavior. I think this is key when OP brings up the "poisoning" effect. I think that for some individuals the hormone balance does get disrupted and so while simply following along with your biological sex is a no-brainer for some, for others I would believe this can have an effect. I would like to also point out that you seem to perceive acting out in part with your sex as a strategic decision - and keep in mind that for most "normal cisgender people" they do not need to think about it. it just naturally happens

>>71459 I've personally found that transness is not about becoming a {woman, man}, but instead NOT becoming a {man,woman}, by circumstantial means of playing at being a {woman, man}. For autistic types who are content to stay childless and play with their toys (computers, whatever special interest) for just about their entire life, it's a social mechanism that: 1. Gives you access to likeminded people, sexually, platonically 2. Excuses you from the standard rigamarole of life routine and/or achievement In a word, they're kind of like the eunuchs or monks of the church, of today. Those that voluntarily, explicitly, identified by means of uniform, do not care much for this world.

>>71472 >you seem to perceive acting out in part with your sex as a strategic decision >keep in mind that for most "normal cisgender people" they do not need to think about it. it just naturally happens Yes, I am aware that I don't fall into a usual pattern of thinking where I tend to question many things that just come natural to most but still, I see it as a situation of "do I keep climbing the mountain that I'm already half way on or do I go all the way down and venture to an other one while I've seen many attempting just that having failed or perished, the chances of me succeeding in any way being nonexistent and the benefit of doing that being pretty much nil and thus the effort needed being not justifiable." From what I can tell, it's a futile proposition with little to no gain so yes, it would be a no brainer to make that ROI calculation and instead go and maximize what I already do have. And I just can not see why anyone who thinks objectively would do any different when weighting the currently available options. There just doesn't appear to be any rational explanation for attempting a sex transition unless there's something else at play like a severe hormonal imbalance as you've said. But even then it would be easier to treat that by hormone replacement therapy aimed to return to their biological sex than the opposite one. So another drive could be a serious dysphoria, but even then suggesting transition is like saying to an anorexic person to eat less to achieve their "ideal body". What's then left becomes more unsettling, like severe porn addiction and some sort of fetish that individual tries to live out and spends unreasonable amounts of effort, money, time and risk to their health to accomplish. Or possibly worse, they see how transgenderism is (I believe artificially) celebrated and they want to have some of that attention, too, after having had to deal with crushing lonelyness and rejection, which is not uncommon at all for people with autism, due to their difficulties to connect with more normative people otherwise. Or them being gaslit about the reality of those procedures by people who appear to have some self serving or ulterior motives of whatever kind. Of course the common objection is that transitioning does actually help. But then it seems like it's then only referred to that initial euphoria, which doesn't last long. And almost half of people who do go through with surgical intervention, commit suicide after possibly realizing at some point that not only have their initial problems not been addressed to a satisfactory degree but now have to deal with even more, like medical complications, the attention they've been getting, weaning off or having to come to terms that they will never undo their past decisions, especially when they've done it at a young age while everyone has been tellimg them that it was a good idea. So a sense of betrayal and regret would be added to the pile. Granted, there's a lot of negativity towards those individuals, too, if they become too public online, but I just don't see the same rates with other groups who deal with similar levels of criticism. I guess if tech really was that advanced by now that it could fundamentally change a person's entire biology like that, this wouldn't be a problem. But we just aren't there yet so instead all I'm seeing is man made horrors being conducted and I'm just here, being surprised and wondering how any of this is seen as a good thing rather than the error that I believe it is. >>71475 Yes, there might be something to that. That it's more of a vehicle for either some sort of autogynephillic fetish or a social mechanism due to the lack of availability of conventional means. What I observe is that for a trans person it's pretty much all about their sexuality and it also has to be infused into everything. Even if most such things don't even need to involve any kind of sexuality whatsoever, like basic games, code bases, STEM subjects, "codes of conduct", etc. A flag that solely represents their sexuality or fetish would be added to all their exterior, be it everything like their attire or possessions having to be color schemed in pink, cyan and white or it being their social media profile picture, etc. If it was anything else, like say some soccer team, we'd call them an incredible fanatic. And the frequent overzealousness makes me think it's got little to nothing to do with changing one's sex itself.

>>71467 The way I see it is like this. Abberations in sexuality are perfectly normal and occur in nature all the time due to a variety of circumstances, one of which is overpopulation. About 10% of people are somewhere on the spectrum from asexual to pansexual. Remember, natural selection is a process that is promoting the behaviour that allows for increased adaptation to the ecological niche in the environment and within the social hierarchy of your group. It also moves very slowly to the point where it's hard to detect in motio6 on anything other than bacteria over decades. If it swings and misses, it will take at least hundreds of thousands of years to correct itself or the species or a certain element within the species will go extinct before it catches up. It is also drawing from mutations so the nessesary ones might just never occur despite similar ones happening in the other species. To counterbalance that homo sapiens evolves at an accelerated rate, at least it's brain does. Combined with the memetic layer on top of really is conceivable that we can evolve much faster... That is in the frame of thousands instead of hundreds of thousands of years. At least some small mutations like tolerance to lactose in the adult years can spread very quickly. All that is to say that the phenomenon itself is nothing new, nor is it unnatural or a propaganda tool. Some people are just like this. That being said, being a natural minority without any recourse to gain majority they are forced to act a certain way (there probably will never be a stable environment where majority of people are trans, maybe there can be majority bisexual people or lesbians with artificial insemination technology or even gay people when artificial wombs become a thing, but not trans... Unless we go full body augmentation and gender ceases to be that relevant. Anyway, in the way that our society and medicine is, it's not happening). That is, being very vocal and recruiting as much support from all possible allies to secure themselves an influence. For them it's a matter of survival and and I don't begrudge them that. Even if they are misguided and attack wrong people and institutions they are doing it to protect their tribe and I respect that. To compound the issue the powers that be (politicians and corporarions) after a while of getting used to the idea have found them a very useful topic. Politicians either make them out to be the devil or the flag bearers of the new civil rights movement because it is a topic which touches children, and if it touches children you get most people's attention and monetary and vocal support if you represent their preconceived notion of how it's supposed to be. Big pharma and cosmetic surgery industry are also projecting good growth to their shareholders with the advent of patients who will require HRT for life as well as a series of expensive surgeries. It's good business. It is also a distraction and a "good" deed on the scales of judgement to mitigate the weight of their "bad" deeds like not fixing the economic disparity or charging insane prices for medicine that is needed to save lives while it costs pennies overseas. It's really hard to shut down or at least harm a company that produced a drug that killed 1000 people in trials already, but what if they also produce HRT treatments so there will be even more deaths if they are forced to stop production. It essentially makes them hostage to the corpos. That's my 2 cents. People who are Hating on trans people and fuming at their mouths are just playing right into the narrative that was constructed. All lower class people be they trans or not are just pawns to be turned into the source of labour and revenue. PS I'm not advocating for revolution or something, I don't know the right answer other that technological progress and good governance that takes into account the real situation and nature of man and the relationship between the man and nature.

>>71479 This is a very well argued and reasoned take, thank you for posting it. I wouldn't have been able to express it quite as eloquently. Who knows what the future holds? I sure don't!

>>71479 Interesting point and I can follow that reasoning, however you assume that trans are automatically part of a singular tribe with its own urge to propagate their condition further. But not through regular procreation since the means for that, as you stated, are not present. But rather more like a virus or similar, that needs to be infused from a young age. That segues into your other point about this topic being heavily politicized and is touching children. In that case often a bit too much. So the problem with that is that for one, you assume there's no alternative to act and behave for those individuals and they're somehow incapable of a less disruptive life style and due to that everyone else should be accepting of the instances of pederasty and other acts that propagate their mode of being, even if it is in fact predominantly aimed at teens and young children. The problem with that is the same I have with mosquitos for instance. I know their nature and the reason why they need to draw my blood. Because without, they are not able to produce offspring. However, that makes me also aware that they will not stop biting me until I swat them. The way you appear to state it, is actually, I believe much more unfortunate than how I view all of this. I agree on the point of it being used as a rally issue either way. That polarization needs to be counteracted and I don't think of trans as demons or the like (even if some of them do seem to enjoy to dress up as exactly such) but to say there's no problems with any of it or that instances of abuse and targeting of children does not happen, appears to be very mistaken or outright dishonest. And yes, the greater issue is about our ruling class (both government and corporations) appear to have found a good vector with this to divide the general masses further and make them bicker among each other instead of applying unified pressure towards them, in addition to other pet projects those questionable people have, but it's a wide ranging set of problems so it has little to do with "fuming at one's mouth" but rather means that one can criticize both and still be correct.

>>71459 its applied dysgenics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHlmncILfMY

>>71491 >u assume that trans are automatically part of a singular tribe with its own urge to propagate their condition further its plain that the number of trans has gone up a lot lately, either they are creating more of themselves or someone is. You don't expect to see things in the world too often that don't either last a long time or get created frequently, so something is creating a lot of trannies.

>>71491 Interesting, I wanted to respond at first but instead went on a tangent about self identity and tribalism. Well, maybe it's interesting to someone and actually does relate to the subject, I'm a bit emotionally charged after laying it all out so I guess it was at least some good therapy for myself. Here it Is: I'm personally an inironically moral relativist. I don't believe in absolute evil or good. I'm not saying pedophilia can be good, I'm saying it can be beyond good and evil, just be. It was just like that for most of human existence until the widespread of Abrahamic traditions. I recently watched a podcast episode from the rest is history on Hadrian and Antonius and it was very thought provoking. The gist is that the Romans didn't think in terms of hetero or homosexual, instead they thought in terms of top and bottom. In that sense the man who penetrated was free from scorn whoever he did it with unless it was a Roman citizen of any sex not married to them and especially without consent which was persecuted very harshly. And anyone who allowed themselves to be penetrated was seen as losing their dignity, be they men or women. In that way women were destined to be subservient and men could be, some were made into eunuchs to preserve their youth and to be sex slaves of the highest quality. Absolutely Barbaric of course, but it opened my eyes to the fact that Christian morality interspersed with 19th century understanding of social interactions permeated our thought as the global society to an unimaginable degree that it was not apparent to me before I heard of the alternative view. A lot to think about as someone who doesn't believe in absolute anything. I'm not saying we should recreate anything like that, just be aware that our way of life is not set in stone and we must acknowledge that. Moving on... While it is certainly true that one does not suddenly become the member of the tribe by being trans, nevertheless you can't escape your labels even if they are the results of the (MIS)fortune of your birth. I know that well because I'm from half-Russian half-Ukrainian Kulak family with sprinkles of Polish nobility and Jewish orthodoxy here and there, while simultaneously being from the intelligencia class family and born in northern Kazakhstan and grew up in Siberia. Now obviously unless people ask and I tell them or they read my personal info somewhere I'm just a Russian guy with a Ukrainian surname. Some migh also pick up that my name is Polish and everyone is suspected to be Jewish (mostly as a joke) if you act a certain way. People with the same blood that runs through my veins have played the fuarrrk, kill, marry game with each other for centuries now. Did you know Russia was a client state of Poland at one point in time? Or that several of the premiers of the Soviet Union were Ukrainian? The Bolshevik ranks were famously full of jewish people because the ideology of equality in a country that restricted where you could live, study and work because of your nationality really appealed to them, go figure. But then the Soviet Union was also antisemitic while at the same time helping the Jewish state to be established in Israel. It's fuarrrking complicated beyond belief and is truly a tragedy that we are just becoming a bigger version of the Balkans it seems, but now with nukes and it being a classic cold war proxy conflict at the same time as we are curing most cases of cancer and AI is rapidly developing as the climate change ravages the planet. You can just imagine that even 200 years into the future polaks and russkies will be going at it again with laser riffles and assault robots while people in us make a holographic 3 second ultraspeed tic tac that explains why one side is bad and other is good and we should support them. So tiresome... No escape from this flood of soykaf washing the whales down the beach into a pile of rotten cetaceans In conclusion. You may not want to be a part of the tribe and can be connected to many tribes some of whom fuarrrking hate each other but you can't escape it. It's in your mind the moment you are aware of it and it won't let go. You may try to absolve the consept of nationality and tribe and just be yourself... No luck, its instictual. You get defensive when someone attacks someone like you and feel conflicted when two people similar in some different way to you start fighting. You can act above that, don't engage but your emotions will betray you.

>>71459 Dear OP, I have to agree with >>71460, since I am in the exact same spot as you, maybe a step further. You focus a lot on "who is causing this", but I'm gonna ignore that part (since you are observant enough to realise it's not just external force making you question things), and describe how I think about it and what led me there I woke up in the middle of the night with never-before-felt desire to be like a woman. It was real to me. I wanted that. And immidiately thought "you'll never be a true woman". And that was real too. I didn't want to transition nor crossdress. Now I had two statements that were real but contradicting with each other. And then occcured to me: "that's not the point" I wanted to think and feel like a woman. But not physically become one. This way both of the statements are true. Since then I started purposefully getting into the "woman mode" when I was alone. (How? I figured out that body is very connected with the brain, walking, sitting, dancing like a girl makes "woman mode" turn on almost on demand) Fast forward half a year (now): I became percievably less introverted and robotic, I can emphatise with people and most importantly, I crave to make contact with people I don't know. And still cis. PS sorry if this reads like a copypasta/textgen/diary. I didn't wanted to be too cold and factual since I still don't fully understand myself, so I described the events how I saw them :3

trans is simply the new smoking

>>71499 What if instead a self contained group or meme instigating the phenomenon it's something like a state change in the broader culture? So even if there is an element of contagion to it, the underlying potential was already there for things to click into place. The way gender and sexuality can be conceptualized reflects the overall mindset of society, for instance the organization around gain and loss of honor for penetrator and penetrated >>71501 describes about ancient Rome seems to synergize very well with a supporting ideology for conquest and enslavement; the aggressor must be seen to have virtue, the victim must be seen to deserve it, this must be made to make sense emotionally. I think that maybe there are things about our culture now that make masculine identity increasingly inhospitable, and/or for escape from it to feel more plausible.

>>71501 I do, or at least did share a lot of your sentiment. I think I get what you're trying to argue, or rather why, but no, I'm not just some random tranny hater or whatever. I don't even like to take sides much, like in the Ukrainean conflict you've mentioned, where I'm somewhat required to take one. I see somewhat where people are coming from and I do know some of my russian history, too. Like the genocide of slavic orthodox christians in the tens of millions under jewish bolshevik rule, Ukraine not being anything but a skirmish region up until about 30 years ago, NATO's plan to expand past the fall of the Soviet Union. I am aware that it was the Ukrainean government killing ethnic russians within their border for almost a decade and it was the Russian government that invaded, it was the West, especially the USA, whose involvement was pivotal to the Maidan coup, and inducing war propaganda being taught at schools to young ukrainean children to hate russians (both ethnic and nationals) and create the conditions for the powder keg which ultimately blew up in everyone's faces over a year ago and has cost the lives of multiple hundreds of thousands since then. I think it aligns with your implied criticism of me that it's just vectors of division being used by our rulers like banning the ukrainean orthodox church and promote paganism, tolerating and even promoting german national socialism with all the insignias despite a jewish president and cabinet, to promote "ukrainean" as a distinct language and abandon the cyrillic alphabet, among other things to separate and pit two people against each other who're essentially and often actually the same. The result is what it is now, the nation is wrecked beyond repair and the people who died or fled will not come back. And yet, somehow in all that crisis I've seen western transgenres trying to make it all about themselves, it's bizarre. Granted, the attention seeking wasn't exclusive to them, but the discussion in online spaces was something else. Western volunteers who talked about how they were able to dilate on the battle field and that Ukraine must win for "trans rights" and so on. What ever the hell it was that those "Nafo Fella" fools were posting. I just don't think sane people would react this way to a war. And thing is, to return back from that tangent, and this is important, you are always going to be a representative of any group you are a part of or perceived to belong to. This is a plea to any community who feels being unfairly treated or discriminated against and see themselves having to argue that "not all are like that" and while that may very well be true, it means nothing if said community doesn't discourage that behavior from their members who actually do act like that. I'm saying that as someone in the same boat. And I see none of that from the "trans community", whether it's one coherent thing or not. Anyone who's of sober mind and seen as part of it, must speak up against nonsense like mass bullying people for streaming some Harry Potter game or trying to indoctrinate and gaslight children into permanent life decisions to share their own misery, and so on. As for the point about the "subjectivity of child abuse", I think I do get your point but you really should not argue this way towards more regular people since that can easily be misinterpreted. But it's ture, in the grand scheme of things, it may not matter much. After all, the universe doesn't really care about anyone. But the mistake with a fully nihilistic outlook like that is that it misses the scopes of relevance where, while the cosmos itself doesn't care whether you and your kin lives or dies, on the scope of your nation or population, they very much do. In fact, there really isn't anything more important than the survival and well being of their people. And the disregard for human life, especially that of their own children, has rarery, if at all, yielded long lasting societies. And that's, I believe, is really the point of all of this, and what I see happening today goes counter to that, all under the veil that it's the opposite. So it's not that I just "blindly hate" anyone as it would make it easy to dismiss what I'm saying, but rather like with alcohol and tobacco, I worry of the wide spread effects that promiscuity, embrace of unbridled hedonism, pederasty, inversion of values and the sheer hubris of transhumanists and wannabe "social architects" have on entire nations that look like they've now got some very difficult times ahead if they've got a future at all. But to reiterate, I did see myself above all of that for a while but I've realized that one does need to further their own interest and that of their people, which in turn benefits themselves, or they will be left with nothing in this world. But also I can understand the trans community acting in their own, however it appears in conflict with the interests of the broader civilization at large and with that, funnily enough, endanger trans interests in turn. It regrettible how things work but entertaining delusions doesn't appear as a good way forward in this. >>71504 Integrating one's "male" and "female" side is probably a good thing to do. Or rather integrate multiple sometimes even conflicting aspects of our broader human condition, so I have little to say against that. But surgically removing one's sexual organs and advocating for others to do the same and holding an entire society at gun point so to speak is something I'm highly skeptical of. Would you not agree? >>71507 That, or it's just a passing trend. But even if it's a permanent societal change, then to what? And to anything good?

>>71507 >I think that maybe there are things about our culture now that make masculine identity increasingly inhospitable, and/or for escape from it to feel more plausible. Hell yea there is! 1. Most children are brought up in "zero-tolerance policy" schools. 2. Masculinity has been deemed "toxic" by pop culture. Also, I reckon that certain organizations would prefer that masculinity is inhospitable, I have a feeling that a coup d'état becomes impossible during these circumstances...

Tranny here. Let me just put in my opinion. IMO there are true transsexuals, and social transsexuals. The latter group is hopping on the trans trend because they think it will make them cool/special or solve their mental problems, which they've projected onto being gender dysphoria (GD). Since it's trendy to be trans right now the definitions have been very muddied up, there's a positive affirmation loop in MSM, and also GD symptoms are all mental so it's hard to diagnose or refute by an outsider. They're the trans activists, very vocal and demanding ridiculous things like mtfs in women's sports. And I'm not going to deny that people can be groomed into it, there is medical literature implying at least some can be groomed. Here they follow genetic males reassigned at birth for a short time, 5/14 "persistently declared unwavering female identity". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1421517/ Visibility and support for trannies is a bad thing for this reason, no other medical disorder except sometimes paraplegy, autism, blindness, and deafness ever hit common discourse with the implication of accomodation, because they actually need it, meanwhile if hardly anyone but doctors knew what trannies were we'd be better off. And there are many medical problems, like vitamin D deficiency or obesity, which deserve the "visibility" to inform people of the silent/ignored epidemic. True transsexuals have existed all throughout history, you can find examples from when any knowledge about them was not widespread or misunderstood (and we'll never really know if the tales of ftm crossdressers like Joan of Arc or Milan had anything deeper, but the concept was there). Best theory I have is that it's caused by issues processing hormones in the womb, for example there is a conjecture that the use of a hyperestrogen as a conceptive in the '60s and '70s may have feminized the men raised in it. Or that other issues leading to faulty hormonal system, for example ftms are much more likely to have had PCOS or CAH than the average woman. There's hard proof for identical twins being far more likely to both be trans, and much anecdotal evidence than tranny genes exist. And mostly, true transsexuals can't be dissuaded, they'll always have an issue of gender dysphoria. Let's define that: GD is when the part of the brain that maps the body is inverted sexually ("psychosexual inversion"), and causes extreme distress. Yes the current mainstream worldview is "mind over matter" but it really doesn't work that way, if you've ever tried any sort of drugs you know the great influence the body has over the mind which can't be disregarded or sidelined. And GD is one of those things that you can't accurately describe well, you have to live it to know it.* I suspect gays, trans, femboys and tomboys, have this issue with a certain part, second pic related. It's also a hormonal issue-- cross-sex HRT cleared up my depression almost instantaneously, within an hour I felt better than I had for as long as I could remember. And see john, 50, repressing is a miserable option, but of course there's little data on it. There's a repgen on 4lgbt, and if anyone thinks they can fix them, I'm sure they'd be willing subjects.** >why 41% so much? because being a tranny is miserable, almost constantly you are reminded that you are dependent on big pharma or chinese chemical labs, that you look like a freak, that maybe you're actually a madman (as there's no verified hard proof outside the head for most of us), that you'll never have a normal sex life or have kids, that you missed out on certain childhood experiences. Transition is like jumping out a burning building. historic examples of trannies: pic1rel and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshiko_Kawashima#Family_background_and_early_life *Yet possible for a cis person to experience, like by VR goggles sex-swapping or hormonal issues: https://old.reddit.com/r/DrWillPowers/comments/fcxboa/the_story_of_how_i_screwed_up_a_dose_calculation/ **Examples of a modern ftm repper trying to hormonally treat herself: https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/30436807 https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/31426478 >>71479 >takes hundreds of thousands of years, moves very slowly It is not really that slow, as you acknowledge yourself, minor mutations can spread quickly, why wouldn't the same be of larger mutations which have more impact? Look up horizontal gene transfer.

>>71509 True, someone who wishes to hold onto their reign of power, they'd want to have more obedient eunuchs than rebellious men. And many policies I see today, like you mentioned about schools, but also family courts to remove any father figure from their homes, become more reliant on a nanny state, increasing disarmament and reduction of self reliance and so on, may be just accidental bad law making but it's plausible that this exact intent is behind it.

Gender identity and sexuality are a psyop. They are concepts created by the authorities for the purpose of social engineering and control. Just slot yourself into your preferred label based upon some vague inner sensibility or feeling you have, and of course these labels were created for you by people in power. Historically, people did not share the same ideas about sex and gender that we do today (go read Plato's Symposium to see what I mean). Nor did people go around telling people what their taste in sex is or revealing sensitive information about themselves. This culture of labels and confessing your inner true self originated in 18th-19th century Europe where you see modern institutions like schools, hospitals, prisons etc, emerge, staffed by self-anointed experts tasked with studying the population so it can be effectively managed. They do this by tricking people into confessing, studying their psychology/biology and assigning labels to control them. It's where psychiatry came from, as well as sexology. In other words, there are state and corpo interests in shoving people into pre-fabricated boxes like "transgender" or "homosexual." For one it makes you easier to control, and big businesses can sell you a lifestyle complete with a fake value system, your own collective tribal identity and even your own flag or a special month dedicated to it. Why do people become trans? Imo this is pretty irrelevant, it's like asking why do people drink Coca Cola or support the troops or throw their weight behind manufactured causes like #standwithukraine or whatever people in power are circulating right now. Brainwashing. I don't mean to soykaf on people who are trans or anything, but none of our desires are actually our own. We've all been programmed to some extent.

>>71499 The assumption you're running on is that the number of self-reporting trans people went up become more trans people were created and not because more trans people felt comfortable coming out. Another factor at play is that there's more media focus on the topic since it's been politicized by various right-wing groups as "the next big issue", probably with the goal of starting a moral panic. As a result, you see far more of this group though it's less than 2% of the population. Another way you may be getting exposure bias could be that lots of trans people are online a lot or in tech-adjacent fields (programmer sock meme). This all culminates in the perception that a small group is omnipresent, that they're on a crusade to "convert" kids, and other stuff like that. And companies? They just go along with whatever is convenient and gets them more money. The social currency is trending towards accepting this stuff, so they want to appear "hip" and "with the times" by superficially pandering to groups they don't really care much about. It's two-faced, but when have companies ever been anything but two-faced? I'm betting all this change is because people feel more open. I don't really buy this narrative that people are becoming trans, or that there's some secret plot to turn everyone trans. Maybe in the future we'll look back on this time like we currently look back on the satanic panic? Idk.

>>71512 So what you're saying is it's time for gender anarchy and completely reject the concepts of gender? No concept of man, or woman, only defined by yourself in your own terms? To leap outside the confines defined by those in power, and to simply exist independent of societal constructs? I think right now there's a war, a war between gender structuralists (who want to create a label to fully categorize every single possible expression) and gender anarchists (who want to reject all labels entirely and let gender as a concept rot). What do you think lain?

>>71508 >That, or it's just a passing trend. But even if it's a permanent societal change, then to what? And to anything good? I don't know, but the way I would hope for it to go is the conceptualization of a universal human identity that supersedes gender, allows for greater empathy and understanding between people, greater personal agency over roles in society, and more ability to conceive of your ideal self. How a culture sees gender imposes restrictions on how people can imagine themselves to be, and maybe the increase in adoption of transgender identity is an initial foothold towards imagining beyond those restrictions. A lot of the criticisms I see focus on the behavior of activists and group politics, but all of that could be more about the shape of modern social media and secondary to what's going on in an imaginative sense.

>>71513 >The assumption you're running on is that the number of self-reporting trans people went up become more trans people were created and not because more trans people felt comfortable coming out. First of all, a general rule, if you encounter something in the world frequently its either being created frequently, or it lasts a long time. Obsidian lasts a long time, and dogsoycafe just comes out of dogs, I run into both while I'm out for a walk. I'm not sure the average lifespan of a tranny but its somewhere between chunks of obsidian and dogsoykaf; something is actively making them. Now with some groups like finns I assume its other finns making them through well established processes of birthing, but has has been pointed out here, that doesn't entierly work with trannies, its seemingly not a heritable condition or at any rate its not strictly hereditary like being finnish is. >probable that the number of 'out' trannies has gone up, visiblity, not actual number tranny tech has been significantly advanced in the last 100 or so years, it should today be the case that its *easier* for troons to blend in, and even now many stick out like sore thumbs. Their apparent numbers are increasing, therefore it stands to reason that their numbers are increasing. This and the generally reported uptick in i.e. tranny surgeries and tranny medical soykaf. This stuff is practically inarguable. Now you might suggest that i.e. 600 years ago the proportion of people who would have, given the option, transitioned is the same, and this about as hard to disprove as it is to prove, but when combined with various other things like the steady decline in male testosterone and sperm counts, I'm tending to suspicion that the problem has been getting much worse in the last 50-100 years. >I'm betting all this change is because people feel more open. This is very likely a factor, but consider the question: open to what ? Open to publicly talk about these things they were doing anyway, or open to doing these things they wouldn't have done otherwise. I bet its both. Either way, *something* has changed that has created more of them recently. And its not even just online, I see them sometimes in public. Never used to see that, my parents didn't used to either. Its new.

>>71515 I disagree with both. Structuralists impose so many strict rules it would inevitably lead to a shallow normocracy, while the anarchist position is even worse. Any group of people, even anarchists, develop unwritten rules of conduct, so there's no way to live outside socially imposed rules aside from living as a hermit in the woods. Even then, creating a society so individualistic would lead to aimless nihilism, societal collapse and social conflict. Community members no longer really share any common point of reference when it comes to someone's behavior and therefore no way of assessing if somebody has behaved right or wrong. There's no glue holding people together and instead they just end up fighting. I'm not sure there really is a solution to all of this. The "gender revolution" is really a consequence of the wired which enabled people to express themselves in a disembodied form on the internet, developing alternate online identities outside of their physical bodies. Personally, I lean towards the more conservative New Confucians and would like to see a modernized revival of traditional gender roles in the form of virtue and role ethics and scrapping Western Enlightenment ideas of sex and gender, but that's just not going to happen. I don't have a solution. Maybe a good thing will come out of this? The multiple different genders out there, even if they were created by the authorities and have since gone woke, can basically go open source and, like a software package, become hackable and modifiable with a community of users and devs to gatekeep and take care of it. Any person can take any given gender and play around with it, but like software there are inherent limitations, disadvantages and restrictions that come with it.

>>71516 The world need more imagination and empathy, now more than ever. I really do hope for the same...

>>71513 >politicized by various right-wing groups as "the next big issue" Yeah, I should've stopped reading there. You, my dude, need to get out of your leftoid news corp bubble. One can condemn people being indeed overzealous over some being in whichever shape or form non-normative while also acknowledging that children are indeed targeted by activists and ideologues, especially in public schools and recent children's media. This is happening. Attempts at gaslighting everyone into believing it's not isn't making anything better. It just reveals you as someone dishonest and potentially malicious. And it's not even a "secret conspiracy", spare your strawmen arguments. Also thank fuarrrk companies are now buckling under the Bud-Light effect so I have to see the sodomy flag less in this ever increasing technocracy and I guess management will now be more careful with whom they'll entrust with their corporate social media accounts. Anyway remember, a pendulum swings. >inb4 the video is just a joke! At leats one of those men, but it were multiple iirc, landed on the sex offender list. I wonder what that's all about.

>>71513 >Maybe in the future we'll look back on this time like we currently look back on the satanic panic? Idk. Satanic Ritual Abuse is real.

>>71508 Thank you for making this thought out response, it is very refreshing and intelectually stimulating. Allow me to keep this discussion going. On the point of transgender people focusing on miniscule and ridiculous from your perspective issues like the fate of transgender Ukrainians and projecting Ukrainian conflict as the conflict for preserving trans rights. First of all as people said becoming trans is not something you do lightly at that stage, as you can hardly see trans people who are just transitioning and living their lives without any fuss. I'm sure there are exceptions but it is inevitable that some interaction with medical institutions, family members, coworkers and friends is unavoidable. As such, for some trans people trans activism might be a chore they'd rather not bother with but feel obligated to do and for some it was the whole point as they started it much sooner than any other trans related activity. Either way it is not just a shift in sexuality and gender identity, it is also a class and general identity shift for most. Even if a trans person continues to hold values that are generally not associated with trans identity, it is now producing a certain level of friction that was not present before the transition. With that said, there is also a series of beautiful caverns in Crimea tha I visited many ears ago among many other historical and natural wonders on that peninsula. Not many people talk about it and about what could happen to them very soon. I'm obviously distraught about every single drop of blood being shed on any side but I am also really worried about these things being damaged. You know, as a naturalist I'm biased that way. It's essentially natural that the segment of population of a country relatesnthe most to the segment of the population of the other country that is most like them. As such the fate of trans people in Ukraine and Russia is much more important to the trans community which is fair and I think valid to some extent. Israel really opened up their borders to the Jewish people in both countries, I know at least a few people that left there. Everyone looks out for the people like them. I don't think people with sober mind "must" speak out against anything for any reason really. If their sence of right and wrong permits them silence they can live with the psychological effect of staying silent. I'm sure it affects or will affect them in the future when someone takes it even farther, but that their personal choice. The right to remain silent is with them either way as I can see plenty of reasons to do so. I once prevented a child from being abducted by their own father from their mother (they screamed about divorce and stuff when more people shoved up) as he yanked him out of the stroller and almost sat him in a car. So while I'm philosophically open to discussion on those topics I myself am brought up by my parents in a way that I won't just walk away in a similar situation. That said I did walk away from stray animals that would certainly die if no one took them and when my neibours stonewalled me after I tried talking peace to them about constant screaming, threats and furniture flying due to a conflict between a mother and her daughter I did not call the police and eventually moved to a different place so I'm no paragon of virtue. My desire to help in some serious situations is more of a fear of living with guilt of not helping so I'm only doing it if no one else does, not really joining crowds on crusades and leaving when they form after I interviened. On th topic of disregard I disagree because child rearing before the middle of the 20th century was horrible and remains that way in many even developed countries (South Korean schooling regimen is a good example of crimes against childhood) Society needs you to raise children for them to have children and in the meantime provide labour and spend money to get the economy going. That can historically be done in a number of different ways, not all o them are pleasant for the children. PS I will also post some responses to other posts a bit later.

>>71512 Terminology operates on the exclusion of the part from the whole. If you declare that nothing is X, nor could be X, then X is not a helpful term and pursuing the achievement of X is not a worthwhile endeavour. Yes we are programmed, yet we experience consciousness and make desicions. It hurts to make hard ones, it's pleasant to make the ones you want to make. The reason why theese "psyops" worked is because they were generally welcomed by the people after they were instituted and became commonplace. They raised the quality of life significantly. Were there costs that were not obvious? Yes. The difference is that the powerful were not always aware of them or underestimated their impact. I'm sure many people would reconsider of they could see into the future of their decisions without any doubt. Plus evolution doesn't stop and there are plenty of intelectuals that reason that we are moving towards the removal of the individual as we understand it and making the collective unconscious into the collective conscious. We would certainly increase the level of life by many metrics that way. There will definitely be unpredictable costs that will be paid by everyone. Life moves on, let it be.

>>71522 >One can condemn people being indeed overzealous over some being in whichever shape or form non-normative while also acknowledging that children are indeed targeted by activists and ideologues, especially in public schools and recent children's media. In practice, I have never seen anybody who primarily complains about grooming, gay media, pride flags, etc. but genuinely respects gay/trans people. These concerns are almost always used as cover to let the state take more control over how people are allowed to express their sexuality and gender.

>>71541 You mean the same state that flies the pride flag on its embassies, government buildings, churches and its public schools? You seem to be stuck in 00's America, or an alternate reality that I'm not part of. Because the current zeitgeist in the west, short of maybe the deepest rural areas, appears to be in your favor. Yet I see paranoia and desire to push things even further, despite things like "drag queen story hours" being already a thing now for whatever reason. People can't heat their homes over the winter here and rulers are bickering about "inclusivity". From what I can tell it's being pushed, not supressed. No idea why governments in the West see the need for that beyond maybe creating sterile drones or the like. Since it's promoted more than I see people having the need for that and society is bent over for the exception and not the rule. But I also live in a city. While if you're somewhere in the sticks around a very insulated settlement, your experience of course would vary.

>>71551 I mean states like florida that like to pass bills forcing teachers to tell parents when their kid is acting gay in class, and similar such things. "The State" is a big multifaceted entity, especially in places like the US which have a federal system.

>>71552 >>71551 Moms for "Liberty" banning books like its March 1933, to "protect the children".

>>71563 Gilbert Ling's thing was more about the fluid mosaic, quasi-crystalline liquid water around hydrophilic protein tips like the glycocalyx, and the non-existence of a sodium channel iirc. ATPases do seem to exist however.

>>71563 none of this refutes what was said and you're baitposting.

>>71575 Fine then, I'll engage. This stuff is like string theory of biology, lain. It's an alternative Theory to the orthodox one that has been proven right in a mirriad different ways. He developed it before we discovered the structure of DNA and worked on in for his whole life until 2019 and there is no proof. The big pharma would fuarrrking jump on this if this was true, it would allow them to cut so much cost associated with drug delivery but it just isn't. No one other that him produced something resembling a result and his own discoveries don't hold water. I'm sure he was a good expert in other parts of the theory and practice, but here the reality just doesn't conform to his views.

>>71582 String theory is Not Even Wrong. This appears to be a whole different thing.

Utterly ridiculous. You presume that phenomenon of nature must make sense, that you must be capable of understanding while you yourself are yet a piece of that nature. What you did not understand before posting this is that it cannot conceive of being understood, cannot want to be understood, and does not need to be understood in order to exist. It is, was, always has been, and always will be. Attempting to intellectualize denial is still denial. You can't simply boil own a system that never was supposed to make sense in the first place to raw data and pretend as though only human machinations could have caused it. You understand not even one infinitesimally small percentage of this single phenomenon, and it is not possible for you to know what you don't know. This is a fundamental fact of how knowledge works. To speak less in philosophy and more in actual data: You cannot prove any of these. They are but esoteric speculations not even worth entertaining if they were not so fundamentally harmful. By scientific standards, they mean less than nothing. Secondly, your criteria for possibility includes all possible iterations, yet somehow does not account for the idea that it could possibly be wrong. In other words, you assume your own conclusions are correct. For this reason, I believe you have already made up your own mind and are not posting your speculations in good faith. Third, your speculations are also based in faith and mythology: two things distinctly divorced from reality. You cannot apply fiction to reality. They are not compatible. Finally, I will say this: I grew up in a normal household. I had relatively normal and caring parents and a very tight relationship with them and my mixed gender siblings who all ended up some kind of queer. We lived in poverty like most people I know do. We lived and live in a conservative state where deviation from the norm is punished severely. And yet, I distinctly remember from the onset of not even childhood where I stood. I was simply not allowed to stand there because of pointless notions of normality. I always knew what I was. I didn't have a word for it, but even if I did, I would have still been myself the entire time. I was suppressed at every turn, was never indoctrinated by anything but christianity, and yet still persisted. If you wish to reduce my identity to nothing more than the product of social conditioning, then I will gladly stand as living proof that you are wrong. I didn't even need to write the first several paragraphs. My mere existence is enough to disprove your musings. But then again, maybe I'm not psychotic enough to understand anything besides that which is true.

>>73739 Okay, so it is an autogynephilic (unconscious, diffuse) self soothing behavior in the spirit of Pygmalion. Interesting that I preempted you. You have disarmed yourself because you feel it is the only way to achieve comfort and power over other men. You don't want to compete so you convince yourself you are the object of your desire, namely, a beautiful woman with all the right curves in all the right places. That way you can return to infantile Godhood. Absolute control, invulnerability, exemption from the natural order. You have mother, lover, friend who no one can take away, and you don't have to compete with other men, whom you are afraid of, because you are also afraid of yourself. How is this not obvious to people.

>>73743 >You don't follow because you haven't exposed your base internal symbols. For me, it would become clear that women symbolize "the world". Your internal symbols make no sense to me. In no way do women symbolize "the world" in my mind, whatever you mean by that. The words you say individually make sense, but the way you string them together when trying to describe your inner world has no meaning to me. >You're contradicting yourself here. The rest of what you've said doesn't follow from a rejection of the core self. There is no contradiction, I do not reject the existence of a core self, I just do not lend it more weight than it is worth. The core self is a random and often arbitrary initial condition, which while technically unique to each individual, is rarely meaningfully unique, in the same way out of 1000 dollar bills, perhaps only one of the serial number forms a more interesting string than the others. You seem to see the world and individuals through compartments and compartmentalization, but the world, and more to the point, other people, are mirrors. You are knocking and listening for the echo, believing it is another knock. >Where do those come from? On what basis do they stand, from where do they stem, or if from outside, to what do they adhere? My relationships or my ideals? I assume you mean my ideals. They come from the intermingling of my experiences and desires, nothing more. >That wasn't excluded by what I stated, in fact it was described several times why that is. ie, self soothing. I assumed you meant self-soothing due to anxiety from competition with "other men". If it is self soothing only for the sake of self, then what obligation do I have to suffer? That serves no one's interests, least of all my own.