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Does anyone else still have the same beliefs about their parents, teachers, and school, as they did as a child? Parents, and their enforcement of bedtime; teachers, and their assignments; school, and the fact you are forced to attend. In my mind, I have a trope of a 12 year old boy: "My parents are freakin' asshole for bossing me around :(" "I hate school! Aren't there supposed to be laws against slave labor?" And this imaginary amalgamation of a child is absolutely right.

Of course not. The way I see them now my parents are like teenagers, they're a couple of teenagers in their 60s. They're kids. They've always been kids, for better or worse. It's adorable and I love them so much. School, I liked school, I liked to learn and I appreciated teachers generally but then I went to university and realized that my high-school teachers were rather mediocre in comparison and kinda immature as people. Occupational hazard of working with teenagers, I guess. Lecturers at the university, those people were truly next level, passionate, enthusiastic and incredible knowledgeable. It was such a shocking realization for me at the time. Huh, so that's what teachers are supposed to be.

>>70256 Identical at the core, but now they're no longer bigger than me. I viewed the adults as children. Main difference is that I no longer use their introjects as a primary means of functioning, ie even when the parent ego state is dominant I'm not aligning myself with them nor attempting to make any excuses for their behavior or somehow find some depth, reason, or utility. I actually hate the adults 10x more at 30 than I did at 15. So it's all come full circle, I'm 5 years old again and it's all merged together. Hard to describe. I have also developed greater compassion I suppose. I realize that they're just human, rather than gods. My development was arrested at the stage where your parents seem perfect. So all my life I've been going up against what in my mind are perfect opponents. I was created to go up against God in daily life. The whole world.

>>70259 just you wait until memories of your elementary school teachers come back. Had anyone told me teachers are good at their job once you reach university, I probably wouldn't have dropped out. I'd say I regret it, but I'm the only dude in my friend group not in school. The contrast is funny and keeps conversation going.

Somewhat, I've been out of school for a long time now but my resentment of it is still a core motivation. Preventing anyone from ever having those sorts of positions of power over me is my highest priority and I take it very seriously. The sort of use society hoped to get out of me by putting me through that will never materialize, I make sure of it.

>>70256 I've had long talks with my mother about their childhood, what they went through and how did their parents bring them up. That was very helpful and now that I'm at the age that my mom had me I get it much better. I realised that they essentially tried to do the same that their parents did but without the parts they didn't like. I'll do the same for my children when they come around. The same thing my parents did but without the parts I don't like. Most likely those parts will come about eventually, it must be incredibly hard to deal with a rebellious child so you might say or do something you shouldn't have. For you it's just another day and you'll forget about it, but for them it might be a core memory they will never forget. I still remember some things my parents said. Clearly they were just tired or preoccupied with something else, but for me it's a crucial part of my upbringing.

One belief that I kept goes basically something like "Well, my parents are basically other human beings, so I should treat them like I treat any other human being." Of course, I treat em with a bit more respect than anyone, but I act like I would with anyone. Whenever i meet someone and hears me call my parent by their name, it always weird the person out lol. it feels unlike me to call em "mom and dad". (Unless i mention in passing quickly. when it feels more natural.)

>>70271 imo going by name instead of mom/dad is indicating distancing yourself from them which then begs the question why? What went wrong to cause this? Thats why people react weird when you choose to go by name for your parents.

>>70272 Ah! I can see why one would think that. For the record, I don't feel like i'm distancing myself from them. If anything I got a very nice relationship with them. I'll do anything to help em. >How it came to be I have a faint memory of calling my mother and father by their name the moment i learned their names when i was young. They never tried to correct that behavior so I kept doing it. I guess that's what happened.

Some views are the same, some have changed. Mostly I've realized that I and most of my peers were pieces of soykaf during our teenage years and that our parents were just trying their best to not fuarrrk us up and to not lose their sanity. Hated some parts of school, but I hated parts of it that I now realize aren't the teachers' fault but the school system in general. Lackluster curriculums, progress being bogged down by the slowest kids in the class, etc. The one belief that I've doubled down on since growing up is that 7am is too fuarrrking early to send kids to school.

>>70271 You know actions speak louder than words right? Consider that they actually spend resources on bringing you up and making you feel comfortable in life

As I've grown up, I've come to realize more and more that my parents are people. They've never been perfect, which frustrated me as a kid before I learned to empathize with the fact that they are human too, but they tried really hard to do their best by myself, my sister, and each-other. Now I see them struggle with things and try their hardest to love and support me despite it all and I'm very grateful to have them. >>70259 If you don't mind me asking, what was your perception of your parents before how you see them currently? >>70263 I've had a much more mixed bag of teachers in university education and before. For me, the average quality of educators has been the same at all levels, with some being awful and unqualified, while others are incredible teachers and people.

>>70279 Your idea of a parent is a child playing with a dollhouse.

>>70279 Of course! I'm aware of it and i'm quite grateful for them to put this much energy into me instead of half-assing it. They have no regrets so far :)

>>70265 >Preventing anyone from ever having those sorts of positions of power over me is my highest priority and I take it very seriously. This used to be my goal. I'd use bots on reddit, twitter, and 4chan to spread anti-school propaganda, and popularize the idea of a parenting license to prevent psychopaths from having children. To get the liscense, you'd also need to have parental education about how its not ok to harm children, or let them harm each other, and also they would learn how to teach their children reading, writing, and basic arithmatic. But I've now decided that once I'm rich I'm going to have brains put in vats and hooked up to computers so that everyone can live in utopia. >>70267 >That was very helpful and now that I'm at the age that my mom had me I get it much better. You just implied you're female. If this is the case, stop using lainchan, you're not welcome here.

>>70273 When I have children I will tell them to call me by my name. My parents gave me three middle names; I hate my first name, my last name, and my three middle names. I don't know what I should rename myself: if anyone has a recommendation I'll take it. >>70277 I was always the slowest kid in class because I hated being alive, and I'm severely autistic. School is a torture place and I hate teachers so much. They're scumbags.

>>70284 I didn't know it was possible for a post to be this retarded.

>>70284 I meant more in a sense of personal goals, ambition and lifestyle than a set of ethics and institutional practice I'd like to impose on the world. That is, doing the adult equivalent of sitting in a classroom listening every day and then spending the rest of my time completing assignments will happen over my dead body. I've come to terms with how there are many people who do not feel the same way about school as I did, and how to best run things isn't a problem I can myself determine a solution for or enact. I can only try to have my perspective and feelings be acknowledged as real. >You just implied you're female. If this is the case, stop using lainchan, you're not welcome here. Strange assumptions aside you don't speak for everyone here about that, and seems pretty likely that this website would have a higher female population than other imageboards to begin with.

>>70256 When I was born, my parents off-loaded me to my mother's parents because they had to work and there was no one to care for a toddler and maternal leave was a mere few months back then with no financial sponsorship from the state. I loved my grandfather and grandmother as my proper parents and my parents would write me letters from time to time. When I was 8, old enough to care for myself and go to school, I was relocated back to my parents in the city. To say that my relocation from a remote, rural village where electricity wasn't even a thing to the city caused a culture shock in me is ... understating it. I was the weird child, the smelly child, the rural child. I called my parents by the family names, then later by their first names. Soon after, I became rather rebellious. My father became very aggressive towards me and my mother. I skipped 3 months of middle school to just stay in parks or libraries and read books. When a classmate came to check to my home to check up on me, my parents found out of my escapade. I caused them a great deal of shame. Of course, in retrospective, that is probably the best outcome I could have hoped for given those circumstances. I did not fail classes or had to repeat the year. I just had to do 3 months of homework. It wasn't until highschool when I sort of started coming to be, with great help from my teachers. To this day, I have no idea why they helped me so much. Whenever I would get into trouble, they would always champion for me to the school council for me to get away with just slaps on the wrist. My math teacher taught me how to dress properly, gifting me a shirt and linen pants. My literature teacher taught me how to self-express myself through poetry. My PE teacher put me up for the wrestling team and taught me basic self-hygiene. My chemistry teacher constantly encouraged me to put forth my best effort and championed for me against teachers who wanted me expelled. My physics teacher recommended me for the local astronomy club. And, most importantly, they were always very nice to me. Whenever they would scold me, they were always very careful with the words they chose, never criticizing me as a person, just criticizing my actions. It sort of dawned on me that these people really care, otherwise... why would they put so much effort ? During this period, I was in a cold relationship with my parents. My father said : "I will never talk to you anymore unless you have bad grades." and my mother tried to fix our relationship to the best of her ability but with me not being receptive. Around this time, grandfather's health was deteriorating at a very rapid pace. He had half his body paralyzed and was eaten by alzheimer. For two years. Something hurt at a very fundamental level when I was talking to him and he did not recognize me. I cried deep tears of sorrow at his funeral, as I knew at the time that he was one of the very few people in the world that truly loved me unconditionally. And I was staring at his face one last time, knowing I will never see his face again. It wasn't until one day when I came home beat up from school, covered in bruises and my mom trying to find out what happened. Then, she said something that ... sort of warmed me up : "I just want to be your best friend. You can kill me if you want and I will still love you." . Then I realized that my mom really has good intentions towards me so I decided I was going to put a honest effort to get along with my mom so we became friends. It hurts recalling all these memories, but, in the end, it's my life and things could have been a lot worse. I still have all of my wonderful memories with my grandfather, I still remember all of his kind words, I still remember his face, how impressed he was when I was able to read books fluently. Knowing how much it hurt, I would still not trade all those wonderful memories for anything in the world. I now realize this post is a bit long and it's starting to look like a journal, so I hope it passes.

>>70284 >You just implied you're female This doesn't imply female. You're a retarded nigger. You don't know anything about people if that was the implication. You want to know what that implied? It implied that their dad isn't in the picture. However, with the context of mentioning "my parents", they could be either hiding the fact that there is a stepdad in the picture OR nothing at all, because you're a retarded nigger and there wasn't enough information about that. >If this is the case, stop using lainchan, you're not welcome here. You're not welcome here. I don't care about women being here or not, the problem is that you think you understand people and you don't. I'm finding this to be increasing more and more common that people have absolutely no idea about how people respond, act, or operate... But they feel that they can "cold read" or build off certain contexts. I was going to just delete your post and the chain connected to it, but I'm just hoping you can read what I said with an open mind and recognize your own short-comings. Hail Lain.

>>70289 That's a beautiful story, lainon. I hope it made you more kind to others rather than bitter. >>70291 Thanks for standing up for me, I guess, but could you not label my dad as a bad person out of nowhere. I could kinda understand how a tortured mind could find a female in my post, but that's just put of the left field. Exept for the time when he moved to a country where we immigrated later for 2 years, he was always present in my life and taught me a lot, we just worked together with my mom and partner preparing the soil for plants in the beginning of may (he's a building engineer so we built about 50% of the house by ourselves together). He is a bit more distant but I respect that because it's a nice change of pace from my mom who wants to know everything and involves herself in everything. Many dads feel lonely because they usually don't get enough attention from their children and don't have enough courage to ask for it due to social stereotypes. I make sure to communicate with him without mom and tell him that I love him somewhat regularly.

>>70292 I'm not standing up for you. >could you not label my dad as a bad person out of nowhere I didn't say nor label nor imply anything. I said specifically included the "OR nothing at all" to mean it may mean nothing at all about your father. I was going to make a joke about literacy and absent fathers, but you'd probably misunderstand that, too. >Many dads feel lonely because they usually don't get enough attention from their children and don't have enough courage to ask for it due to social stereotypes. The role of the father VS the role of the mother is a complex subject matter that depends heavily on cultural background. I don't care to talk about it.

>>70292 >Many dads feel lonely because they usually don't get enough attention from their children and don't have enough courage to ask for it due to social stereotypes. See above. >>70282 Your dad wanting attention isn't your problem. It only becomes your problem because they have access to you from birth and can brainwash you in all kinds of ways to be and become all things in accordance with suiting their needs.

>>70305 Imagine treating your parents like family members and showing care and affection for them even if you have some gripes about how they brought you up. Becoming self sufficient=/= abandoning your parents, you know.

>>70308 fuarrrk my parents. Both of them. And everyone else too.

>>70292 >That's a beautiful story, lainon. I hope it made you more kind to others rather than bitter. Thank you! I learned how to shape/model stories from my grandfather since he was quite the storyteller. As far as my current relationship with my parents goes: Mom wants to take me to the sea in Bulgaria this summer while I plan to take her to Vienna for the Christmas Fair and a concert this winter (still trying to figure out how to plan this). My relation with my dad is sort of ... lukewarm. The way he bursts into fits of rage feels very counterproductive to bonding. He often comes around my house and fixes stuff and tends to my garden and we shoot darts together every now and then but we don't talk much. At least he's willing to put in the effort so I will too. As far as myself goes, I do admit I have bouts of bitterness, but I try to be as laissez-faire as possible and often remind myself that no one is out there to get me, it's just people doing what's best for themselves and I'm a simple collateral. No one can do anything to me that I don't allow them to. I have my own agency and will! So I try to be as optimistic as possible and not let things get to me.

>>70309 That's kind of sad for all 3 people involved. I'm sorry if you've got soykafty parents, lainon. I guess every person only truly understands what happened to them or near them. Everything else is an abstraction. You might seem to have a good childhood compared to other children, but that doesn't really matter to you since you can be just as traumatized as people in much worse situations or even more than them due to some extra factors. Every happy family is the same, All miserable families are different in their cause of misery. >>70321 That's a very good approach to life. Your relationship is much better than most people can attest to, as sad as it is. The bar is just so low because historically people treated their children like dirt untill like 1950s and even after there was a lot of carryover malaise from generational trauma... I feel like it's much more important to break the cycle and to not impart generational trauma on your children that to make them into a prominent figure in society.

>>70271 >Of course, I treat em with a bit more respect than anyone, but I act like I would with anyone. This is something I've really enjoyed about adulthood. I don't feel any need to hide any part of my personality around my parents anymore. When I was a teenager, I was always censoring myself so that I wouldn't get lectured or otherwise say a shameful thing to say around my parents. Don't have any reason to do that now and I can just relax and be myself around them. It's also really nice to have conversations about stuff where they're no longer holding back and can share their actual beliefs, not the sterilized beliefs they felt they needed to claim to have because they thought I was too young to grasp the nuances or that it might be a bad influence to be completely candid. Also a small, immature joy is cursing around my parents. That fuarrrking rules Of course, I know plenty of people who do not have this relationship with their parents and still revert back to hiding their behaviors and beliefs from them. Sometimes it's clear they do that because they haven't realized their parents aren't going to treat them like a child forever even though their parents are actually pretty cool, other times their parents really do still treat them like children which is sad

>>70291 >I don't care about women being here or not Then you're a normal person, and you're also not welcome here

>>70348 >This is new /hum/, the humanity board. The intent is that this board will be used to discuss the human condition and personal experiences related to being alive, such as human nature, virtue, suffering, mortality, emotions, and relationships or interactions with other humans. As this is a very general topic, it should be made certain that a thread idea is not more relevant in another board, beforehand. If you think being a woman or normal is somehow detrimental to posting on the board with a mission statement like that then you're just a provocateur or truly deluded. Either way it's best to be done with this line of discussion for the time being, so I encourage everylain to drop this discussion and go back to talking about parents

>>70348 This isn't wizard chan or /r9k/. Don't project your insecurities and fetishization of being an outcast on the community. One of the major points of an anonymous board is to not concern yourself with stupid soykaf like who a post is by but to take only the content of the post into consideration.

>>70363 >One of the major points of an anonymous board is to not concern yourself with stupid soykaf like who a post is by but to take only the content of the post into consideration. Exactly. So when someone goes out of their way to make it known they are female it's because they are fishing for special treatment. Which is why "tits or gtfo" became a thing to punish such behavior. In this case >>70284 is just being an idiot though.

The school basically a lot like that. I work in a school now but I still hate the system. It's origins are in military and even seeing it up close again it's very obviously about teaching obedience and reliance on authority.

>>70367 Prussian system. Churns out mindless order followers.

>>70368 >>70367 This is too true, its all mind control in the form of normalized edumbcation comming from the prussian system. It is all designed to weed out any form of thinking or acting that is not mandated by the system. Teachers are just people who are too bumb to do a real profession and too weak to become cops, i know those people mentality and its the same as that of slave drivers but they dont have the guts to actually admit it to themselfs. Its all a goddamn scam and people are this fuarrrking stupid they keep falling for it all the time. Most parents are just cattle to be honest and have little more intelligence than those. Here is a thought i recently conjured up: if parents are supposed to be responsible, sensible and educated individuals, why do they send their children to other peoples tutalage, arent they supposed to have the same knowledge and skills? Here is a post by another person from a different forum i stumbled upon, thought its relatable. >When I speak of the "hellhole" I am referring to this society, not reality in general. Yes, life is good, but soured by this modern society that seeks to control us by the exact thing you believe we are here for: school. >School conditions the populace, and not in a good way, either. We are taught to respect authority unquestioningly no matter how insane their decrees might be. We are taught to work - and work, and work some more. Lack of sleep is the most common cause of all disease and of aging. And what they teach is taught as facts, even though most are merely conjecture that have yet to be falsified. >Also, "school" here trains the average person to hate learning, which is also good for the establishment. I know of very few people who research anything in detail and know almost nothing about anything in this world, let alone further afield. >These are our educated masses. They go to school for twelve years at least and come out knowing nothing beyond basics. They will never have a single original thought or even once consider learning a new skill just for the fun of it.

>>70256 I believe there was no real Holla-cost committed by the Third Reich besides fringe units so that obviously puts me at odds with all family members and most of the people with whom I had dealings in my past. I say most cause I do not know where they even are or how many people have been reading between the lines and looking past the history books written by the winners of the war and enforced by (((big media))). I will say I began to support some shoplifters if they were genuinely wronged by their big chain employer and would love to see distributism happen to most big retail. I will also say that I am the most racist person in my family extended relatives included. I don't want to exterminate anyone but it'd be cool if we had racial federalism.

>>70256 When I was a kid, I learned what it meant to be skeptical. As such, my world view has continuously improved as I learned new information and reasoning. My biggest mental shift was probably after browsing 4chan after being disgusted by reddit. I honed my skepticism and learned that most of the truisms I learned as a kid were nonsense. Luckily, I am also an individualist, so I never went down any path of hate, but I have absolutely become disillusioned with the state of the world. >>70426 I think you are looking at things the wrong way. You argue with people based on the truths of the past, but most people do not even know the mainstream narratives around historical events, let alone the truths about those events. Even if your normal person relatives knew the truths about those narratives, how would that change their world views? Do you think that the people incapable of listening to reason can reason properly themselves. Use 'a priori' reasoning first and foremost to shift their world-views. Encourage them to think for themselves and to have empathy. Do not discuss probable conspiracies until you have discussed confirmed conspiracies ad nauseum. P.S. Don't define yourself by your opinions, define yourself by your actions. Every person is an individual, and regardless of the statistical chances linked with the circumstances of one's birth/upbringing, they can end up anywhere on the bell-curve through personal failure. Sane people listen to paragons.

>>70428 >Use 'a priori' reasoning first and foremost to shift their world-views. Not him, but this doesn't work. People don't think in abstract concepts, it needs to be concrete and pressing. You can only change them if you have superior status and come bringing either threat or temptation, without these, nothing you say or do shall move them.

I'm the kid of a bunch of immigrant third worlders. My parents didn't sugar coat soykaf, you grow up fast and pull your weight or sink to the bottom of the concrete jungle and that's the way it is. I saw a lot of depravity and desperation growing up, so I'm pretty glad my parents disciplined the soykaf out of me and we had a pretty safe home. I thought I had it bad, but they literally came from a war torn country and that filled me with a lot of anger and burning hatred of the government and corporations. I also remember there being a serial killer in the neighborhood who'd kidnap kids off the streets which was fun. As for teachers, I always hated them. School was a drag where you learn nothing and the staff soykaf on you and treat you like a fool. Childhood and your teen years are the best, you only have tests and exams to worry about and aside from school you have a lot of free time on your hands. If I knew that back then, I would have made more use of it rather than kill time on 4chan. In hindsight, I'd probably be way stricter on my kids than my parents were on me.